Disco Dave Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Obviously we dont know the details of this yet but I find it incredible that you can transfer 80 grand, let alone £750k without some additional checks and balances going on by the banks. Internally, surely we should have some controls in place that say any payment over x amount requires authorisation by at least one other senior member of staff....... Unless of course it was a really senior member of staff who authorised the payment(s). Either way, we clearly need to tighten up our processes although I’m sure Budge has done this already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 That figure of 80k is around the sum we make from tv games (I think). Maybe there's a connection. TV money being diverted maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: That figure of 80k is around the sum we make from tv games (I think). Maybe there's a connection. TV money being diverted maybe? 2+2=7 Speculation is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Just heard on the radio , hearts were not caught out by this fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Just heard on the radio , hearts were not caught out by this fraud. If that is true then last night's statement should've said fraud attempt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Barack said: Be a bit embarrassing for some, if that’s the case. ”Aye, but Budge should’ve foreseen an attempt. Needs to get her McAfee sorted!” Think what the radio was saying , an attempt was made but was spotted . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Do we even know what this fraud involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Do we even know what this fraud involved? No. But we are clear who is at fault though. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, kila said: If that is true then last night's statement should've said fraud attempt Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Can we just blame Scot Gardiner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Can we just blame Scot Gardiner? Pretty sure someone on here already has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 11 hours ago, Bowmans_Boot said: Sometimes Hearts fans are dicks. Read the Hamilton thread (now quiet) & the Jamie Walker ones for evidence. Aye. Some 'Hearts fans' are still are trying to blame everyone but Jamie for him trying to engineer a move to the huns. On topic, Scottish football can't afford to see any money lost to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 So are we £80k down or not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 If the club spotted this and dealt with it appropriately then the correct checks were made. Do incoming invoices have to be matched to a purchase order from inside the business before payment can be authorised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 46 minutes ago, Barack said: Be a bit embarrassing for some, if that’s the case. ”Aye, but Budge should’ve foreseen an attempt. Needs to get her McAfee sorted!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Great news that we weren't affected. Maybe Hamilton arrange a fundraising match? Hopefully not against us though, playing them 3/4 times a season is enough of an injury and suspension risk. They could raffle off McKinnon and Imrie's boots afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Not the best thing to see 1st thing Saturday morning In a digital age fraud is a huge problem. Hope the culprit gets caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 The seethe on sisterslovers.net if we weren’t affected will be a joy to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Not sure how much sympathy I have for Hamilton. Losing £1m like that? Seems very weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 46 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: Aye. Some 'Hearts fans' are still are trying to blame everyone but Jamie for him trying to engineer a move to the huns. On topic, Scottish football can't afford to see any money lost to the game. The on topic part, I fully agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Harry Potter said: Just heard on the radio , hearts were not caught out by this fraud. Hope this is the case but can't find it anywhere . What radio channel did you hear this on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambali Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 14 hours ago, Dannie Boy said: From the brief statement Hearts must have known about for a while or am I misreading it. Yip Poor by the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Disco Dave said: Obviously we dont know the details of this yet but I find it incredible that you can transfer 80 grand, let alone £750k without some additional checks and balances going on by the banks. Internally, surely we should have some controls in place that say any payment over x amount requires authorisation by at least one other senior member of staff....... Unless of course it was a really senior member of staff who authorised the payment(s). Either way, we clearly need to tighten up our processes although I’m sure Budge has done this already. This is what should happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, jambali said: Yip Poor by the club Why is it poor by the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 minute ago, jambali said: Yip Poor by the club How is it poor? What if the police have told Hearts not to mention it so as not to alert the fraudsters that the police are on to them, as often happens in such cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Everyone commenting that it's poor by the club not saying anything before, we don't know the full details. it may be that the Police have been involved for some time but only now have escalated it to a full investigation. If so then the club are not allowed to comment at all on an active criminal investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, jambali said: Yip Poor by the club Why? Bizarre comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 15 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: £80k is what I heard. Human error. Honest mistake. Bill from a contractor paid by funds transfer. Except the bill was paid to fraudsters. If we lost cash it is another loss from the construction model we entered into.... Well known fraud in construction business. Fraudster gets headed paper of contractor. Sends letter to client advising of change of banks - new bank account is accessible by fraudster. Client pays money to new account without checking with contractor accounts team directly - money lost and contractor still due money. Might be covered by insurance but I'd expect any decent sized company to have fraud protection measures in place. Another bollock dropped re stand build if money gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, jambali said: Yip Poor by the club Lost me. How come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Ryder said: Great news that we weren't affected. Maybe Hamilton arrange a fundraising match? Hopefully not against us though, playing them 3/4 times a season is enough of an injury and suspension risk. They could raffle off McKinnon and Imrie's boots afterwards. Better if they raffle their boots beforehand to minimise they damage they could inflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Ryder said: Great news that we weren't affected. Maybe Hamilton arrange a fundraising match? Hopefully not against us though, playing them 3/4 times a season is enough of an injury and suspension risk. They could raffle off McKinnon and Imrie's boots afterwards. They could raffle off McKinnon and Imrie full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VivaObua Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 This has to be linked to the 80k we paid for Kenny Anderson who I believe now plays for a 2nd division Icelandic team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Just now, VivaObua said: This has to be linked to the 80k we paid for Kenny Anderson who I believe now plays for a 2nd division Icelandic team? It really doesnt. Apparently the two incidents of us amd Hamilton are unrelated according to the papers. its more likely to be the stand as there will be mutliple contractor invoices. Do we even know if they actually got money from us or just attempted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Why do people post stuff when they have no idea what's happening. It's a Police investigation they are hardly going to make recorded highlights programme just to satisfy folk on a football forum. The truth will be revealed eventually . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 33 minutes ago, Boof said: Better if they raffle their boots beforehand to minimise they damage they could inflict. Youre not thinking outside the box here. If they raffle them after the game, then they will come with added extras like players’ teeth and chunks of flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Mentioned now on Off The Ball.... Hearts, Hamilton and now wee Annan.... Are there no depths to which these scoundrels will not go........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 19 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: They could raffle off McKinnon and Imrie full stop. I think the aim would be to try and make money though. If they tried to raffle them off as professional football players, it’d be Accies who were up on charges of fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 24 minutes ago, VivaObua said: This has to be linked to the 80k we paid for Kenny Anderson who I believe now plays for a 2nd division Icelandic team? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: 2+2=7 Speculation is pointless. Resistance is futile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Jammy T said: If we lost cash it is another loss from the construction model we entered into.... Well known fraud in construction business. Fraudster gets headed paper of contractor. Sends letter to client advising of change of banks - new bank account is accessible by fraudster. Client pays money to new account without checking with contractor accounts team directly - money lost and contractor still due money. Might be covered by insurance but I'd expect any decent sized company to have fraud protection measures in place. Another bollock dropped re stand build if money gone. Did you lose out on a pitch for the work? You've been pretty negative about all aspects of the build. Poor stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Jammy T said: If we lost cash it is another loss from the construction model we entered into.... Well known fraud in construction business. Fraudster gets headed paper of contractor. Sends letter to client advising of change of banks - new bank account is accessible by fraudster. Client pays money to new account without checking with contractor accounts team directly - money lost and contractor still due money. Might be covered by insurance but I'd expect any decent sized company to have fraud protection measures in place. Another bollock dropped re stand build if money gone. One of many possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Did you lose out on a pitch for the work? You've been pretty negative about all aspects of the build. Poor stuff. Everyone I work with thought it was nuts for the club to set the construction model up the way they did and weren’t at all surprised a mistake like the seats happened. if it was driven purely by economics and was the only way we could build it fair dues, but the project was in principle too risky for a construction management model with a client inexperienced in construction projects. Thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, davemclaren said: One of many possibilities. To be fair we’d be in good company - happened on Crossrail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Just now, Jammy T said: Everyone I work with though it was nuts for the club to set the construction model up the way they did and weren’t at all surprised a mistake like the seats happened. if it was driven purely by economics and was the only way we could build it fair dues, but the project was in principle too risky for a construction management model with a client inexperienced in construction projects. Thats all I'd need someone to explain in basic English what the "construction model" chosen was in relation to the one you and your colleagues think the model should have been. No buzz words or industry jargon please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambali Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Ryder said: Lost me. How come? 1 They could have released a holding statement. 2 There are shareholders/investors who deserve information. A statement should have been ready to issue now that it is out 3 Supporters deserve information. As customers it is possible their information has been compromised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, jambali said: 1 They could have released a holding statement. 2 There are shareholders/investors who deserve information. A statement should have been ready to issue now that it is out 3 Supporters deserve information. As customers it is possible their information has been compromised. I would have thought any directly affected party would have been kept up to date? As for letting the fans know, if we haven’t actually lost any money, then I’m not particularly bothered about being told. Maybe the police asked us to remain quiet about it in public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jammy T said: To be fair we’d be in good company - happened on Crossrail. It can certainly happen but everyone is just speculating at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 If there is a police investigation ongoing, which there is, the club can't release any details with potential court case coming up (if the shysters are caught). The club said this in their statement, I'm puzzled...what do people not get about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, jambali said: 1 They could have released a holding statement. 2 There are shareholders/investors who deserve information. A statement should have been ready to issue now that it is out 3 Supporters deserve information. As customers it is possible their information has been compromised. If customer information has been compromised as Hearts hadnt informed those affected then they would be liable. no way 3 has happened imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinbad Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Would be declared in accounts would it not? So would become public at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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