Sooperstar Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, Longshanks said: It all seems very weird. It does. My guess is a fake invoice re stadium works or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, Mike Tyson said: I think Hearts were happy to sweep it under the carpet until the Hamilton situation forced their hand. Quite amateurish tbh You actually think before you say something Shocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mike Tyson said: Now now. its not exactly great to keep something like this under wraps - we should be kept in the loop about this sort of thing rather than placing cash cows to try and bring in extra cash to cover the loss. Not even subtle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Just now, Sooperstar said: It does. My guess is a fake invoice re stadium works or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mike Tyson said: Now now. its not exactly great to keep something like this under wraps - we should be kept in the loop about this sort of thing rather than placing cash cows to try and bring in extra cash to cover the loss. Don't worry it's very possible your club may have been stiffed as well. I'm probably wasting my team replying to you. You will be gone soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Shillyshally Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: It does. My guess is a fake invoice re stadium works or something like that. Like I've already stated?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford donald Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bowmans_Boot said: Enough weren't to mean that we shouldn't be taking the moral high ground with Hibs fans: they are our rivals and Hamilton are nothing to us. Massive loss for a club of Hamilton's size,deserve sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Boo Khaki said: Like I've already stated?????? Missed that, apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Oliver Twist said: ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Tyson Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, gorgie rd eh11 said: What’s been kept under wraps mike? Sky are saying this has happened months ago, so I think it’s fair to say the club have sat on this for a while. It’s obviously not a catastrophic amount unlike Hamilton, I would have thought it would only be right to inform the fans. i think Ann is doing a decent job overall, but this and the stand situation has been frustrating. Nice to see this place is still accusing posters who aren’t seeing everything as a positive of being Hibs. Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 Still quite worrying that a club our size can be caught out by a dodgy invoice - if of course that is what has happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Shillyshally Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Let's. Not over egg the pudding here We lost 80k due to human error. It happens What the business would "announce" this unless they had to ? None! Bad things happen Get over it FTH HHGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Have to admit that a club owned by an IT tycoon being a victim of internet fraud is a tad surprising. It also shows how clever and sophisticated this type of theft is ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Not much money floating around Scottish football at the best of times but hopefully we can get the money back. The comments earlier on here when this happened to Hamilton and we had not released the news as yet was totally bizarre and pretty poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Just shows that we have a long way to go both on and off the field.... we are still pretty amateur at some things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Meadows said: Have to admit that a club owned by an IT tycoon being a victim of internet fraud is a tad surprising. It also shows how clever and sophisticated this type of theft is ! You can have the best IT money can buy but if its human error then what is she meant to do exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, ford donald said: Massive loss for a club of Hamilton's size,deserve sympathy. Absolutely. And why any Hearts fan is taking pleasure in another Scottish club suffering is beyond me. Especially when they are a small club, close to Glasgow and their fans do not choose the easy option of following one of the OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Jamboelite said: You can have the best IT money can buy but if its human error then what is she meant to do exactly? It does make it a little more embarrassing, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 If both ourselves and Hamilton have been done you'd expect others likely have too to be honest. Around 800,000 so far, hell of a lot for Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgie rd eh11 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mike Tyson said: Sky are saying this has happened months ago, so I think it’s fair to say the club have sat on this for a while. It’s obviously not a catastrophic amount unlike Hamilton, I would have thought it would only be right to inform the fans. i think Ann is doing a decent job overall, but this and the stand situation has been frustrating. Nice to see this place is still accusing posters who aren’t seeing everything as a positive of being Hibs. Whatever. So you think the club should be interfering with police investigations by “informing “ the fans. “The stand situation” is fantastic, we’re about to unveil Edinburgh’s biggest and best football stand. Delighted that frustrates you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Bowmans_Boot said: Absolutely. And why any Hearts fan is taking pleasure in another Scottish club suffering is beyond me. Especially when they are a small club, close to Glasgow and their fans do not choose the easy option of following one of the OF. Give it a rest ok we get it some fans are arseholes...moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Bowmans_Boot said: It does make it a little more embarrassing, though. Only if you have no experience of fraud and you’re a sensitive soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Internet fraudsters you say? What kind of oddball pretends to be something they aren’t online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bowmans_Boot said: Absolutely. And why any Hearts fan is taking pleasure in another Scottish club suffering is beyond me. Especially when they are a small club, close to Glasgow and their fans do not choose the easy option of following one of the OF. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Tyson Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, gorgie rd eh11 said: So you think the club should be interfering with police investigations by “informing “ the fans. “The stand situation” is fantastic, we’re about to unveil Edinburgh’s biggest and best football stand. Delighted that frustrates you. I suppose that’s fair. You know what I mean about the stand situation. You can’t deny that the delay is frustrating, especially as a season ticket holder (at Tynecastle, before the obvious and predictable replies start) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, gorgie rd eh11 said: So you think the club should be interfering with police investigations by “informing “ the fans. “The stand situation” is fantastic, we’re about to unveil Edinburgh’s biggest and best football stand. Delighted that frustrates you. The stand situation may well be relevant especially if it's connected to the late delivery of seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leisham38 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Someone mentioned this over a week ago on the new stand thread, apologised and quickly removed it. It’s definitley been known in some circles. Its not great but as has been said a much more manageable amount than it could have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: You can have the best IT money can buy but if its human error then what is she meant to do exactly? A well run business has systems in place to stop this type of human error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Seems Annan were shafted for 18k in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobreath Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 16 minutes ago, Mike Tyson said: Sky are saying this has happened months ago, so I think it’s fair to say the club have sat on this for a while. It’s obviously not a catastrophic amount unlike Hamilton, I would have thought it would only be right to inform the fans. i think Ann is doing a decent job overall, but this and the stand situation has been frustrating. Nice to see this place is still accusing posters who aren’t seeing everything as a positive of being Hibs. Whatever. After checking your posts that's the first positive comment about Hearts you've made. No way are you a Hearts fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, McCrae said: A well run business has systems in place to stop this type of human error. I know enough about risk management and controls and i’ll say it again it doesnt stop all human error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: Give it a rest ok we get it some fans are arseholes...moving on. It is a (very) valid point that I was making. Some Hearts fans have very short memories regarding our financial mess and little sympathy for any other club. Even the small, trivial and inoffensive ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, McCrae said: A well run business has systems in place to stop this type of human error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Just now, Jamboelite said: I know enough about risk management and controls and i’ll say it again it doesnt stop all human error. You are completely right in that it doesn't stop all errors. However, that is now two pretty major and costly mistakes that individuals have made recently. If this happened at Hibs we would be laughing at how badly run they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Shillyshally Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, Leisham38 said: Someone mentioned this over a week ago on the new stand thread, apologised and quickly removed it. It’s definitley been known in some circles. Its not great but as has been said a much more manageable amount than it could have been Guilty as charged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, McCrae said: A well run business has systems in place to stop this type of human error. You can have the best run business money can buy and the best systems in place and still get caught out. It happens every day and very little is ever reported. There was a documentary type programme on radio 5 recently and it was a real eye-opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Although we dont know how this happened. I am always amazed hearing about suckers giving their security details over the phone or on e-mail. I dont speak to the bank unless I call the bank. Appreciate I dont run a milti million pound business although if I did and the bank called me. I would call them back on a different phone. I hope some muppet at Hearts didnt fall for something that could have been avoided by having half a brain cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, been here before said: Seems Annan were shafted for 18k in August. That's brutal for Annan - fingers crossed they can get that back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, Mike Tyson said: Sky are saying this has happened months ago, so I think it’s fair to say the club have sat on this for a while. It’s obviously not a catastrophic amount unlike Hamilton, I would have thought it would only be right to inform the fans. i think Ann is doing a decent job overall, but this and the stand situation has been frustrating. Nice to see this place is still accusing posters who aren’t seeing everything as a positive of being Hibs. Whatever. 4 minutes ago, Mike Tyson said: I suppose that’s fair. You know what I mean about the stand situation. You can’t deny that the delay is frustrating, especially as a season ticket holder (at Tynecastle, before the obvious and predictable replies start) Building projects are very often late in completion. We aren't the first and won't be the last. Better to wait till all the facts are out regarding this fraud business. Could be any amount of reasons why the club kept it out of the public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Meadows said: Have to admit that a club owned by an IT tycoon being a victim of internet fraud is a tad surprising. It also shows how clever and sophisticated this type of theft is ! It doesnt really though. You could easily own an IT company and know fxxk all about the intricacies and nuts and bolts of IT. By that thinking then she'd also make a decent player because she's running a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Tyson Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, luckydug said: Building projects are very often late in completion. We aren't the first and won't be the last. Better to wait till all the facts are out regarding this fraud business. Could be any amount of reasons why the club kept it out of the public domain. Of course they can be, but it is frustrating that it was an avoidable error such as ordering seats. I do realise now that there may be reasons we did delay the fraud news, so that’s fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowmans_Boot Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, been here before said: It doesnt really though. You could easily own an IT company and know fxxk all about the intricacies and nuts and bolts of IT. By that thinking then she'd also make a decent player because she's running a football club. Ann does know about IT, though. Your argument is weak at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, McCrae said: A well run business has systems in place to stop this type of human error. I have a friend who who's main job as a freelancer is checking for double paid invoices in companies. The first company he got a contract with was B&Q and he discovered almost £1m of it in one financial year. Mistakes happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coburg Hearts Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Bowmans_Boot said: You are completely right in that it doesn't stop all errors. However, that is now two pretty major and costly mistakes that individuals have made recently. If this happened at Hibs we would be laughing at how badly run they are. You have no idea, nor anyone else on here, if individuals are at blame in this case. It might have been completely electronic or hacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Coburg Hearts said: You can have the best run business money can buy and the best systems in place and still get caught out. It happens every day and very little is ever reported. There was a documentary type programme on radio 5 recently and it was a real eye-opener. True, no business can ever be 100% secure. This type of thing though tends to happen more often with companies that have problems..... our club needs to up its game off the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Although we dont know how this happened. I am always amazed hearing about suckers giving their security details over the phone or on e-mail. I dont speak to the bank unless I call the bank. Appreciate I dont run a milti million pound business although if I did and the bank called me. I would call them back on a different phone. I hope some muppet at Hearts didnt fall for something that could have been avoided by having half a brain cell. Im going to predict it might be a little bit more elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 thieving scumbags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bowmans_Boot said: It is a (very) valid point that I was making. Some Hearts fans have very short memories regarding our financial mess and little sympathy for any other club. Even the small, trivial and inoffensive ones. It's a shame for Hamilton. Must admit I haven't read the thread about their situation but it's sad that folk can't have sympathy for a group of fans who decide to avoid the evil twins and follow their local team. Especially after the laugh they gave us a few seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, McCrae said: True, no business can ever be 100% secure. This type of thing though tends to happen more often with companies that have problems..... our club needs to up its game off the park. Sorry thats a lot of shite huge companies are defrauded regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashishere Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 More frauds on here than anywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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