Cade Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, frankblack said: Does the Speaker have the authority to send a letter on behalf of the government? Just curious if it would actually be legal. Yes, the court can use the power of "nobile officium", which allows the court or its agents to send that letter to all 27 EU member states and institutions on Johnson’s behalf. So the court can tell Bercow to send the letter. Edited October 19, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, frankblack said: Does the Speaker have the authority to send a letter on behalf of the government? Just curious if it would actually be legal. That would be for the court to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, Cade said: True. Also true that many tory donors have sunk hundreds of millions into bets shorting the pound. Actually betting against britain. That is the very worst kind of arseholish behaviour. I believe Moggy's one of them. With such a blatant conflict of interest he really shouldn't be an MP in current circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cade said: True. Also true that many tory donors have sunk hundreds of millions into bets shorting the pound. Actually betting against britain. I actually think this is the main reason they are pushing for brexit so hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Boof said: Curious that it refers to BST when we'll be back to GMT by then. The government legislation Website has it as GMT. Not sure what that page is. Possibly an earlier draft. Edited October 19, 2019 by gjcc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny17 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cade said: True. Also true that many tory donors have sunk hundreds of millions into bets shorting the pound. Actually betting against britain. That says it all then. And yet people still vote for these corrupt idiots who only have self-interest in mind. Baffling. 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, frankblack said: Does the Speaker have the authority to send a letter on behalf of the government? Just curious if it would actually be legal. The courts could do it, as probably the speaker could. Someone refusing to sign a document is not a unique situation. I'm sure that there are many occasions when a company or individual refuses to sign something over. At that point the court may be asked to intervene and in effect sign on behalf of the required signatory. Anyway Boris' people have apparently been in touch with Tusk's people to advise that a letter will be sent this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 While Boris has his pen in hand, he has written to all MPs and Peers this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Dear Boris. The House voted for more delay only to ensure that if your so-called Great New Deal (which is nothing but all three of May's Deals standing on each other's shoulders in a dirty mackintosh) DOES get passed, that it actually gets enacted before the final date of 31st October. The fact that you tried to vote against this measure only shows you cannot be trusted to enact your own deal and have always been planning to crash out with no-deal. This delay is of your own making and nobody else's. Yours Reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboy1982 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Dear boris, youre a w@nk, You’re sincerely everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Woofs on about not negotiating a delay. Within a few hours he's told Tusk he is sending the letter. Playing with words for no purpose whatsoever. What practical purpose was there to suggesting what he initially did? None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: The courts could do it, as probably the speaker could. Someone refusing to sign a document is not a unique situation. I'm sure that there are many occasions when a company or individual refuses to sign something over. At that point the court may be asked to intervene and in effect sign on behalf of the required signatory. Anyway Boris' people have apparently been in touch with Tusk's people to advise that a letter will be sent this evening. I thought I saw something on Twitter saying a flunkey in Brussels had sent the letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I presume there has been this level of blatant, self-serving, absolutely ******* behaviour in the past from our elected representatives. Is it just that we all have instant access to 24/7 news at our fingertips that were far more aware of it and therefore angry about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Boof said: I presume there has been this level of blatant, self-serving, absolutely ******* behaviour in the past from our elected representatives. Is it just that we all have instant access to 24/7 news at our fingertips that were far more aware of it and therefore angry about it? We need a revolution, Boof. A bloody one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) Laura Kuenssberg@bbclaurak 1. Govt is sending three documents to the EU tonight - the 1st, the Benn Act extension letter, exactly as set out in law, but that PM has not personally signed; 2nd, a cover note from Sir Tim Barrow and the 3rd, a letter signed by the PM arguing that further delay is a mistake 2. Govt lawyers and advice from Attorney General is that Johnson is complying with law as Benn Act forced him only to ask for delay, not to change his policy - belief they can apply the law in this narrow and specific way will enrage critics I'd suggest that he is seeking to "frustrate" the Benn Act, i.e. in arguing that an extension is a mistake. That might bring him into conflict with the letter of the law and the Court of Session on Monday. Edited October 19, 2019 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 And that's his idea of a cunning plan? What. A. Twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Signed or not signed we all know, they all know it’s genuine and from Boris complying with the Benn Act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 EU will simply say "thanks for the letter, here's your extension" Boris is a laughing stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, Cade said: EU will simply say "thanks for the letter, here's your extension" Boris is a laughing stock. Tusk could always return it saying that he can't act on it because it's unsigned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Predictable responses Joanna Cherry QC MP @joannaccherry · 8m Replying to @bbclaurak This is pathetic. NB @BorisJohnson promised #Scottish court he would comply with #BennAct & not seek to frustrate it. Looks like he’s breaking both promises. Fortunately no need to raise new proceedings our existing case is back in court on Monday #Brexit John McDonnell MP @johnmcdonnellMP · 6m Johnson is a Prime Minister who is now treating Parliament and the Courts with contempt. His juvenile refusal to even sign the letter confirms what we always suspected that Johnson with his arrogant sense of entitlement considers he is above the law and above accountability. https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1185662057523404801 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cade said: EU will simply say "thanks for the letter, here's your extension" Boris is a laughing stock. Agreed, do it quickly and the situation is defused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: I believe it is signed by someone with sufficient authority just not Bojo. Though not 100% sure. i think him signing is a semantics things so he can say he never requested. In fact he did the exact opposite which is clearly a tactic to appeal to certain sector of electorate. Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound 21m NEW: Boris’s three letters to circumvent the Benn act 1) a photocopy of the letter in the bill, unsigned 2) a covering note from Sir Tim Barrow which basically says “we’re sending you this because we have to” 3) a signed letter from Boris saying we don’t want an extension If he has indeed "signed" the 3rd letter, then it is a juvenile act. Edited October 19, 2019 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Here's the "signed" 3rd letter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Juvenile indeed. Boris is going to get his deal with a bit of modification - the numbers indicate that. It's just going to take a little longer. His problem was in saying that we would leave the EU by 31 October by hell or high water and staking his reputation on it. He painted himself into a corner. These are *not* statesman-like qualities. Heaven help us with any future trade negotiations he leads... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound 21m NEW: Boris’s three letters to circumvent the Benn act 1) a photocopy of the letter in the bill, unsigned 2) a covering note from Sir Tim Barrow which basically says “we’re sending you this because we have to” 3) a signed letter from Boris saying we don’t want an extension “We don’t want an extension” : we, Compromising of an unelected prime minister and my hand picked cronies, wish to circumvent the Legislation of our elected house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatonjambo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: While Boris has his pen in hand, he has written to all MPs and Peers this evening. Does he want to get Brexit done! what a insincere tw@t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, gjcc said: “We don’t want an extension” : we, Compromising of an unelected prime minister and my hand picked cronies, wish to circumvent the Legislation of our elected house designed to circumvent the democratic will of the people. FTFY 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) If the EU does a bit of brinkmanship in delaying their response to the extension request until the last minute, 30/31 Oct, I can see parliament seeking to pass a vote of no confidence in a final attempt to stop Boris. It's a risky strategy as it may backfire on Labour in particular with Boris winning an overall majority, then doing what he likes for the next five years. Edited October 19, 2019 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, frankblack said: FTFY 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 46 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: We need a revolution, Boof. A bloody one. Too right. Where do I sign up? As another by the way, can you imagine the scenario if we had to rely on the press and the jolly old BBC to keep us informed through this whole fiasco? It wouldve been done by now with very few of us fully aware of just what we're dumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 https://twitter.com/staceyhunteredi/status/1185560073877237760 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, redjambo said: Juvenile indeed. Boris is going to get his deal with a bit of modification - the numbers indicate that. It's just going to take a little longer. His problem was in saying that we would leave the EU by 31 October by hell or high water and staking his reputation on it. He painted himself into a corner. These are *not* statesman-like qualities. Heaven help us with any future trade negotiations he leads... DUP having a strop today could change the numbers game. BJ may still win but it was clear even from Tory benches , when Keir Starmer was dissecting the new "agreement" , that a lot of MPs had either not read or not comprehended what was actually contained in it. BJ can't count on the DUP any longer and he still needs all the Labour defectors too. DUP are saying they value the union over Brexit, that's how angry they are. Initially I thought BJ would win the day but the DUP fury really could change things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Swanny17 said: Can someone tell me if it’s true that certain Tories and others in power will benefit financially if there is an EU Exit on or before 31st January 2020 due to new EU tax laws being brought in with regards to off-shore investments/accounts? Edited October 19, 2019 by annushorribilis III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, Justin Z said: https://twitter.com/staceyhunteredi/status/1185560073877237760 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, frankblack said: FTFY 👍 17m people from a population of 67m is not the will of the people. And when did the will of the people ever matter to political parties, when they continually ignore their own manifestos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Dear Joanah Cherry enjoy your last few days in parliament you are toast at any GE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Factor Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Dear Joanah Cherry enjoy your last few days in parliament you are toast at any GE I take it punctuation isn't one of your strong points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Dear Joanah Cherry enjoy your last few days in parliament you are toast at any GE She's not toast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Dear Joanah Cherry enjoy your last few days in parliament you are toast at any GE Because ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Dear Joanah Cherry enjoy your last few days in parliament you are toast at any GE Why? For voting in line with her constituents overwhelming wishes on Brexit? Edinburgh South West: 27.86 Leave 72.14 Remain Today Darling would likely have voted along with his Labours pals in direct defiance of the constituents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I hope Johnson does not sign that BS Benn letter. Send unsigned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Unsigned letter requesting extension followed by letter stating please don’t grant extension well played PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, JackLadd said: I hope Johnson does not sign that BS Benn letter. Send unsigned. He didn't but it doesn't matter a shit and Tusk has accepted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said: Unsigned letter requesting extension followed by letter stating please don’t grant extension well played PM The childish 2nd letter has no legal standing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, ri Alban said: 17m people from a population of 67m is not the will of the people. And when did the will of the people ever matter to political parties, when they continually ignore their own manifestos. The repeated claims about both main parties supporting brexit in their 2017 election manifestos annoys the hell out of me. Theresa May took an opportunist pop at seeking to renew her mandate for what she intended for brexit and her other policies, based on polls suggesting she might get an overall majority of up to 100. That manifesto was rejected by the public when she ended up losing seats and her majority in parliament. Similarly Labour didn't win the election either so their manifesto failed to capture the mood of the public. That was as good an indication as any that the will of the people had started to change their views on Brexit. It is normal for parties who lose elections, i.e. both the Tories and Labour in 2017, to change their policies. That's what the Tories did by hardening their brexit policy, just as Labour did by softening their stance. I generally look at the referendum result as a representative group of 25 people, 13 who voted to leave and 12 who voted to remain. It only takes one of the "leavers" to change their mind and reverse the result. I suspect that maybe 6 or 7 of the 13 were minded towards a hard brexit with the same inclined towards a soft brexit. On the remain side I think that maybe 7 or 8 were hard remainers, while 4 or 5 would have accepted a soft brexit. The way the last couple of years have gone, attitudes have polarised and hardened on both sides. The leavers may now have 10 in favour of a hard brexit, while the remain side may also have 10 hard remainers. It is becoming harder to get that 1 person to change their mind. Edited October 19, 2019 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, annushorribilis III said: The childish 2nd letter has no legal standing. Legal standing lol. The deadline is 31st October and the remoaners/stay in without representationers knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, JackLadd said: Legal standing lol. The deadline is 31st October and the remoaners/stay in without representationers knew it. Put it in English please. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, annushorribilis III said: Put it in English please. LOL. You can't connect simple dots, a common remoaner problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annushorribilis III Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Just now, JackLadd said: You can't connect simple dots, a common remoaner problem. Insults aside, you clearly can't write coherently - representationers ? What's your point ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 hours ago, frankblack said: That is about 3 swings and misses in one post. Time for you to quit slavering while you're behind and go to bed. 👍 Hope you had a nice sleep in your Union Jack bed spread Frank... Swings 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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