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21 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Government opposing the indicative votes process. And there be another vote shortly.

 

Say they would have made time themselves to find an agreed position. 

 

It's horrendous.     Obstruction at every turn.     May & mini-May (Leadsom) operate on the basis of them alone being the government.    Noses are out of joint.

 

Leadsom gave the game away yesterday.     "It's between us and the EU".      Us = May and her.     Nobody else exists.

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13 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

It's horrendous.     Obstruction at every turn.     May & mini-May (Leadsom) operate on the basis of them alone being the government.    Noses are out of joint.

 

Leadsom gave the game away yesterday.     "It's between us and the EU".      Us = May and her.     Nobody else exists.

 

It's counter productive what they have done today. Pissing people off some more. 

 

Probably helps the process as long a vote is won to allow today to go ahead. which sounds like it will. 

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Just another point I would make on soft Brexit or Common Market 2.0 or Norway.

 

Aside from being more of a consensus including between leavers and remainers.

 

It would be further insurance on dealing with situation of Scotland (in EU) being independent. 

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Barnier ripping into Fromage earlier:

"Mr Farage, no-one in Brussels is trying to steal Brexit from you, no-one is trying to undo the vote of the British people.

It is not Brussels that decided that the UK would leave the EU.

You were the ones who made that choice and you are the ones who have to take your responsibility and face up to the consequences of that decision.

No-one else."

 

:greggy:

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5 minutes ago, Cade said:

Barnier ripping into Fromage earlier:

"Mr Farage, no-one in Brussels is trying to steal Brexit from you, no-one is trying to undo the vote of the British people.

It is not Brussels that decided that the UK would leave the EU.

You were the ones who made that choice and you are the ones who have to take your responsibility and face up to the consequences of that decision.

No-one else."

 

:greggy:

:pleasing:

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Today in parliament: 
- Rees-Mogg accuses Boles and Letwin of not respecting the result of the referendum.
- Boles points out they voted for the Brexit deal, and Rees-Mogg didn’t.
- Rees-Mogg accuses them of not acting like Etonians: "behaving more like Wykehamists (alumnus of Winchester school) rather than the Old Etonians"

 

:cornette:

 

MAN OF THE PEOPLE

 

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As Cade says above quite a lot of Conservative MPs who support May's deal are backing the process today. Because they accept the Deal can't get through and there needs to be another way.  

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Again these idiots like Rees-Mogg  suddenly backing the deal now. What has happened was easily foreseeable.

 

We always used to say some of these posh clever highly educated people are just stupid. 

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8 minutes ago, Cade said:

Today in parliament: 
- Rees-Mogg accuses Boles and Letwin of not respecting the result of the referendum.
- Boles points out they voted for the Brexit deal, and Rees-Mogg didn’t.
- Rees-Mogg accuses them of not acting like Etonians: "behaving more like Wykehamists (alumnus of Winchester school) rather than the Old Etonians"

 

:cornette:

 

MAN OF THE PEOPLE

 

What a walloper.

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Treeza loses again.

Parliament passes the business motion (basically the same as the previous Letwin motion) by a majority of 44 (Letwin only passed with 27)

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B, D, H, J, K, L, M, O selected by Speaker for consideration.

 

These will be votes on later after debate. 

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...a bit disco

 Government minister reckoning MV3 tomoz or Friday.

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3 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said:

 Government minister reckoning MV3 tomoz or Friday.

Bercow might have just torpedoed that.

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1 minute ago, Lord BJ said:

May deal not coming back unless meets test of being different. It ain’t coming back. 

 

Yep. Think Speaker said that to help concentrate minds today.

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Bercow doubles down on his "no 3rd vote" ruling

 

:scenes:

Essentially stating that lots of amendments will need to be passed so that the deal becomes substantially different from the previously twice defeated one. 

Then he'll allow a 3rd vote.

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Not sure there will be huge support for any of those.    I reckon 3 will get a majority and then move forward.    2 would be better.     If they are then asked to choose 1 of 2 it could be very close.    1 from 3 could be very confused.

 

Same paggering next week. 

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If Parliament voters for Common Market 2.0 it paves the way for an independent Scotland to be admitted to EU without any fuss. 

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The Shitehouse compromise is a waste of space.    It proposes that the EU will cave in and allow a "standstill" (transition period) while we leave (but don't really leave) and while we **** them about for another two years having the same groupchug.

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38 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

B, D, H, J, K, L, M, O selected by Speaker for consideration.

 

These will be votes on later after debate. 

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Seems each person is presenting case first on the 8 proposals then there is a general debate till 7pm.

 

People can withdraw their proposals up to 4.30pm. 

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JRM wants to vote for deal then try and torpedo it later. 

He also wants to change his mind on the deal (which would leave us a Vassal State apparently) as circumstances have changed as we risk no Brexit at all.

Given that his investment firm was offering advice to clients on how to "Brexit proof their funds" I guess he's covered. 

Of course, the people shouldn't get that option to change their minds like him though.

 

 

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L - Joanna Cherry’s - Revocation to avoid no deal

Under this plan, if the government has not passed its withdrawal agreement, it would have to stage a vote on a no-deal Brexit two sitting days before the scheduled date of departure. If MPs refuse to authorise no-deal, the prime minister would be required to halt Brexit by revoking article 50. The motion, tabled by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry, has been signed by 33 MPs including the Conservative former attorney general Dominic Grieve, the Liberal Democrat leader, Sir Vince Cable, Labour’s Ben Bradshaw and all 11 members of the Independent Group.

 

M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote

Drawn up by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and tabled by former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett with the backing of scores of MPs across the House, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification.

 

:sweeet:

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10 minutes ago, Cade said:

L - Joanna Cherry’s - Revocation to avoid no deal

Under this plan, if the government has not passed its withdrawal agreement, it would have to stage a vote on a no-deal Brexit two sitting days before the scheduled date of departure. If MPs refuse to authorise no-deal, the prime minister would be required to halt Brexit by revoking article 50. The motion, tabled by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry, has been signed by 33 MPs including the Conservative former attorney general Dominic Grieve, the Liberal Democrat leader, Sir Vince Cable, Labour’s Ben Bradshaw and all 11 members of the Independent Group.

 

M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote

Drawn up by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and tabled by former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett with the backing of scores of MPs across the House, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification.

 

:sweeet:

Cherry's motion is a good one. Suspect a few Tories would hold their nose and vote for May's deal and then try and sabotage things later though

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May can't use any procedure like another preparatory vote to get Deal to vote, so what change can she make? 

 

While not confirmed vote is going ahead they have just confirmed they will sit in Parliament on Friday. 

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...a bit disco

May currently talking to her backbenchers.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

May can't use any procedure like another preparatory vote to get Deal to vote, so what change can she make? 

 

While not confirmed vote is going ahead they have just confirmed they will sit in Parliament on Friday. 

Ministerial positions?  Peerages?

 

Retain lax tax laws that the EU are trying to close?

 

Not quite what you are getting, but it's what she'll do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Cruyff Turn

Bercow has fecked up her plan again. She’s not got time to significantly change her deal. How is she going to get around him. ?‍♂️

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I like Bercow more and more while he does sometimes come across as liking the limelight too much he is extremely intelligent and knows his onions.

 

 

I have a real dislike for Leadsom she is a horrible horrible woman.

 

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9 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Bercow has fecked up her plan again. She’s not got time to significantly change her deal. How is she going to get around him. ?‍♂️

 

She can change her deal by accepting whatever proposal being debated today wins a  majority.

 

None of which involve changing the withdrawal agreement. But would change the political declaration which the EU would be more than happy to do, and do fairly quickly. 

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1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

She can change her deal by accepting whatever proposal being debated today wins a  majority.

 

None of which involve changing the withdrawal agreement. But would change the political declaration which the EU would be more than happy to do, and do fairly quickly. 

That’s the avenue MPs and the speaker are trying to force her down but she’s made it pretty clear she won’t be accepting any other proposals.

 

She’s resigned now apparently as a makeweight to get her deal through, she must have the numbers, she just needs to get it past Bercow. 

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Total hypocrisy and self indulgence if people change their vote based on May being PM. She is temporary.

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Cruyff Turn
1 minute ago, hughesie27 said:

Total hypocrisy and self indulgence if people change their vote based on May being PM. She is temporary.

The ERG will seize this chance now, stick their man in and change it for their own self interests. 

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1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said:

The ERG will seize this chance now, stick their man in and change it for their own self interests. 

Hopefully the DUP stand firm.

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3 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said:

The ERG will seize this chance now, stick their man in and change it for their own self interests. 

Nah May made it clear that she wants the next PM to come from inside the current cabinet.

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15 minutes ago, Cade said:

Nah May made it clear that she wants the next PM to come from inside the current cabinet.

That slimey toad Gove has been looking to slip in since Brexit was first announced.Played the long game well.

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It could be read the other way.   Another threat.      

 

If you fail to back a deal to leave and we end up in a long extension.... I'm staying.

 

They definitely don't want that.

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Just now, Cade said:

"She has shown once again that she puts the national interest first, before personal gain"

David Mundell

 

:vrface:

 

Trying to play the big loyalist to keep his ministerial perks.     Arsepiece.

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Does anybody actually believe a word that now come out of May's mouth?

 

It has been clear from day one of the referendum result that she, an ardent remainer, with a predominantly remain Government, in a majority remain Parliament, have set out to fudge, undermine, delay, and more or less try to prove to the people that leaving the EU would be a terrible thing to do, that the UK could not cope on it's own.

 

One wonders how our parents/granparents managed pre EU

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28 minutes ago, Cade said:

Nah May made it clear that she wants the next PM to come from inside the current cabinet.

Depends if it goes to a vote. If it comes to members then Boris would be favoured. If it’s a Party choice it’ll be pob. 

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1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said:

Depends if it goes to a vote. If it comes to members then Boris would be favoured. If it’s a Party choice it’ll be pob. 

 

Most unlikely MPs who decide final 2 will vote for Boris. 

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...a bit disco
8 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Trying to play the big loyalist to keep his ministerial perks.     Arsepiece.

 

Aw aboot the ermine.

 

Sleekit wee *****.

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