Boris Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Wrong. I’ve been telt time again we only get the debt. And we’ll have no currency to pay it back with other than haggis vouchers and gless cheques. Phew, glad your here to keep me on the straight and narrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 46 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Wrong. I’ve been telt time again we only get the debt. And we’ll have no currency to pay it back with other than haggis vouchers and gless cheques. Gingie boatles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Gingie boatles! That’s gless cheques in edimbra pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 BoJo and Hunt both saying that the backstop is a red line. So, No Deal it is then. Economic meltdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cade said: BoJo and Hunt both saying that the backstop is a red line. So, No Deal it is then. Economic meltdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Cade said: BoJo and Hunt both saying that the backstop is a red line. So, No Deal it is then. Economic meltdown. I don't see that as a negative, that will cause the government to fall and we will have a general election. No party will get anywhere near a majority and we could end up with a viable four party system. This could be a tangible first step towards the end of Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: I don't see that as a negative, that will cause the government to fall and we will have a general election. No party will get anywhere near a majority and we could end up with a viable four party system. This could be a tangible first step towards the end of Brexit. At the minute the result of a general election would be a Tory/Brexit Party coalition. Imagine that shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brighton Jambo said: I don't see that as a negative, that will cause the government to fall and we will have a general election. No party will get anywhere near a majority and we could end up with a viable four party system. This could be a tangible first step towards the end of Brexit. I’d go as far as to say that post is a prophetic post. Edited July 16, 2019 by Dannie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 A general election will bring about Brexit and the end of the Union. In one big Party. Independence for everybody. That'll do me nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Sir Ivan Rogers, former UK ambassador to Brussels, speaking to a select committee today: You could see, if you were me, the Irish question was being underplayed. We were not focusing enough on it. It was obviously going to be the core of the problem ... One of the most unpopular things I think I said to the prime minister in the autumn of 2016 is ‘You’ve made three commitments in good faith to different audiences, but they are not really compatible with each other. You have said to the Irish under no circumstances will a hard border be erected across the island of Ireland. You’ve said to the Democratic Unionist community under no circumstances will there be divergence from the rest of Great Britain. And you’ve said to the right of your own party that you’re heading out of the customs union. Well, you can’t do all three. You’ve got to choose two of the three.’ And I had the same conversation with then foreign secretary [Boris Johnson]. Showing up the bampottery, lies and total incompetence that is the hallmark of Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Cade said: Sir Ivan Rogers, former UK ambassador to Brussels, speaking to a select committee today: You could see, if you were me, the Irish question was being underplayed. We were not focusing enough on it. It was obviously going to be the core of the problem ... One of the most unpopular things I think I said to the prime minister in the autumn of 2016 is ‘You’ve made three commitments in good faith to different audiences, but they are not really compatible with each other. You have said to the Irish under no circumstances will a hard border be erected across the island of Ireland. You’ve said to the Democratic Unionist community under no circumstances will there be divergence from the rest of Great Britain. And you’ve said to the right of your own party that you’re heading out of the customs union. Well, you can’t do all three. You’ve got to choose two of the three.’ And I had the same conversation with then foreign secretary [Boris Johnson]. Showing up the bampottery, lies and total incompetence that is the hallmark of Brexit. To paraphrase Gove " everyone is sick of listening to experts" The next few months will be momentous and most likely calamitous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Cade said: At the minute the result of a general election would be a Tory/Brexit Party coalition. Imagine that shite. Nigel Farage as PM Bojo as deputy Edited July 16, 2019 by Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 There is, at last, a moment of truth coming our way. In 3 months, or perhaps less time, who has been telling the lies will be revealed. Will this be a easy a breeze as Farage, Johnston, Duncan-Smith, Rees-Mogg etc have been telling us, with No Deal being a mere blip in our fortunes? Will the EU cave in and scrap their hard stance towards the agreement they reached with May, because they truly can’t afford to lose our trade? Will the Irish border situation be easily solved should we leave with No Deal? Will the UK leaving with No Deal result in massive job loss in the UK, rising prices and some food shortages? Will the UK Parliament actually stop No Deal, as many within it have declared they will do? Not long to find out and not long to hear the massive back tracking of which side has been telling the lies, and whatever excuses they make or blame they try to push into others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The new president of the European Commission, Van Der Leyon, is refusing to work with Euro sceptic countries. What an out of touch organisation this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: The new president of the European Commission, Van Der Leyon, is refusing to work with Euro sceptic countries. What an out of touch organisation this is. A bit like the way Westminster treats the Scottish Government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 54 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: The new president of the European Commission, Van Der Leyon, is refusing to work with Euro sceptic countries. What an out of touch organisation this is. I assume you mean Hungary, Poland, Italy, Slovakia and the Czechs, all of whom currently have far-right, populist governments who are actively eroding civil rights, media independence and the rule of law as a whole? They are all close to violating Article 7 and finding themselves suspended from the EU due to not meeting the central principles. Most of them have already been hit with steep financial penalties for acting like 1960s dictatorships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cade said: I assume you mean Hungary, Poland, Italy, Slovakia and the Czechs, all of whom currently have far-right, populist governments who are actively eroding civil rights, media independence and the rule of law as a whole? They are all close to violating Article 7 and finding themselves suspended from the EU due to not meeting the central principles. Most of them have already been hit with steep financial penalties for acting like 1960s dictatorships. and you want to be part of that club🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Boris said: A bit like the way Westminster treats the Scottish Government? Surely more like the way Madrid treats the Catalan Nationalists? In what ways has Westminster breached the Scottish devolution settlement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: In what ways has Westminster breached the Scottish devolution settlement? I made a really long, boring post in April that details a few examples. If you really feel like reading it I can try to track it down for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 "Ursula von der Layen has scraped in by 9 votes. Power but no legitimacy" Nigel Farage's response. BTW Nige, she gained 52% of the available votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Justin Z said: I made a really long, boring post in April that details a few examples. If you really feel like reading it I can try to track it down for you. Thanks. genuine question. Which thread and I'll find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Cade said: "Ursula von der Layen has scraped in by 9 votes. Power but no legitimacy" Nigel Farage's response. BTW Nige, she gained 52% of the available votes. Nigel the democratically elected leader of the brexit party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 58 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Nigel the democratically elected leader of the brexit party? Nigel, a Director of a private limited company called the Brexit Party Ltd. Not a democratically elected leader of a political party. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11694875/officers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, The Mighty Thor said: Nigel the democratically elected leader of the brexit party? Nigel was never elected leader of the Brexit party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Should've added a I saw him on Twitter earlier banging on about unelected EU officials until someone asked him when he was elected leader of the BP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Legally speaking, ALL Brexit Party MEPs are nothing but independent candidates that just happen to all be employed by The Brexit Party Ltd. It has no manifesto, no constitution and no members, only subscription-paying "supporters". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Cade said: Nigel, a Director of a private limited company called the Brexit Party Ltd. Not a democratically elected leader of a political party. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11694875/officers Funded by Moscow, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Amendment preventing the shutdown of Parliament passes by 41 votes. 6 Cabinet members abstained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Cade said: Amendment preventing the shutdown of Parliament passes by 41 votes. 6 Cabinet members abstained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 And again, this time voting for the Lords amendment to the previous amendment, this time passing by 42. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cade said: Amendment preventing the shutdown of Parliament passes by 41 votes. 6 Cabinet members abstained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Brexit won’t happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Jambo Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 On 16/07/2019 at 15:34, Dannie Boy said: I’d go as far as to say that post is a prophetic post. Now the bill passing today means Johnson couldn’t dismiss parliament, his options for no deal just narrowed significantly. We wouldn’t now almost certainly be brought down, another step closer to sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brighton Jambo said: Now the bill passing today means Johnson couldn’t dismiss parliament, his options for no deal just narrowed significantly. We wouldn’t now almost certainly be brought down, another step closer to sanity. He slapped himself in the face today with a wet kipper. Can you imagine him turning up in Brussels asking for a renegotiation of the deal. He has no credibility now, if he ever had any over in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) Death threat for telling the truth about Brexit. These right wing fantasists need to have a word with themselves & wake up. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/18/revenue-chief-quits-after-death-threats-over-brexit-warnings?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1563483376 Edited July 19, 2019 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 On 17/07/2019 at 14:18, Francis Albert said: Thanks. genuine question. Which thread and I'll find it. It's in here somewhere. Been busy but I'll have a look when I get home if you've not located it yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 On 17/07/2019 at 14:18, Francis Albert said: Thanks. genuine question. Which thread and I'll find it. Found it https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/183209-on-devolution-brexit-independence-and-the-absolute-power-of-westminster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 On 05/07/2019 at 07:24, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: You forgot the civil servants, too. But that's OK, if we get to do what the far right want. Why would civil servants be elected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 9 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: Why would civil servants be elected? Why can't they be. Is chosen, not elected? Or does it have to be by the will of the people. The US Ambassador was Unelected by Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Why can't they be. Is chosen, not elected? Or does it have to be by the will of the people. The US Ambassador was Unelected by Trump Because there are a great many elements of a functional democracy that are necessarily non-political in order that they can play their vital roles properly regardless of what the political flavour of the day is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 hours ago, ri Alban said: Why can't they be. Is chosen, not elected? Or does it have to be by the will of the people. The US Ambassador was Unelected by Trump I'm not sure you understand what the civil service is or how it functions. 99% of the civil service aren't ambassadors or people in high profile positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: I'm not sure you understand what the civil service is or how it functions. 99% of the civil service aren't ambassadors or people in high profile positions. There are over 400,000 civil servants in the UK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 Civil Servants are the office workers that carry out the policies that are handed down from government. They are the ones that actually run the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Justin Z said: Because there are a great many elements of a functional democracy that are necessarily non-political in order that they can play their vital roles properly regardless of what the political flavour of the day is. You're delusional if you think that's what happens. Every CS does what they're told by the rulers of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said: I'm not sure you understand what the civil service is or how it functions. 99% of the civil service aren't ambassadors or people in high profile positions. It was an example. But yes, you're right there's plenty of non entities of the civil service. I served my time in council, I seen a few. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, ri Alban said: It was an example. But yes, you're right there's plenty of non entities of the civil service. I served my time in council, I seen a few. 👍 You sound quite bitter towards the CS, did you apply and they turned you down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, ri Alban said: You're delusional if you think that's what happens. Every CS does what they're told by the rulers of the time. Not how it works. 1 hour ago, Cade said: Civil Servants are the office workers that carry out the policies that are handed down from government. They are the ones that actually run the nation. How it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, AlphonseCapone said: Not how it works. How it works. Aye Al you're the boss. I forgot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: You sound quite bitter towards the CS, did you apply and they turned you down No, I just know you're one, and in bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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