hughesie27 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Didn't May say it was a free vote last night? Is it no longer the case now that they lost it? Edited March 13, 2019 by hughesie27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 One minister reported to have resigned on the spot. Three line whip to vote against something they voted FOR about 30 minutes ago. Pandemonium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said: But the EU would have to agree surely before the deadline as that will also be their default position? The He only way a No deal can be off is if a deal is agreed and the majority of the house in both camps will continue to vote against it. Or a second referendum, which I would expect the EU would happily grant an extension to allow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 It's no longer May's motion once amended, in theory. But it's standard May deceit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 May has obviously voted against her own motion ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ugly American said: Yes to legislation. The EU must approve any extension. But the UK could cancel Article 50 unilaterally. And the EU has basically said they won't grant an extension if it's just tea and cake with Theresa May ad nauseum. I don’t think they will grant it but if the Gov cancels Article 50 then the ‘majority’ will lose their shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Cade said: One minister reported to have resigned on the spot. Three line whip to vote against something they voted FOR about 30 minutes ago. Pandemonium. I think that is a mistake by May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 BBC reporting ministerial abstensions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Ugly American said: Or a second referendum, which I would expect the EU would happily grant an extension to allow. That seems the only logical choice now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Vote in 321-278 against No Deal Effectively a defeat for government after whipping against it? Edited March 13, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Motion passes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just look at the nick of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) The ayes have it. A number of Tories have resisted the whip. Carnage. Edited March 13, 2019 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 May about to say "FU anyway." How TF can she go on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 May says something must be agreed/ nothing has changed. Repeats default is we leave 29 March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 May deal coming back very soon. ****ing tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Ugly American said: May about to say "FU anyway." How TF can she go on? Because nobody else will touch it with a barge pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 May loses again by 43. Remember that Spelman only won by 4. So the three line whip managed to piss off more people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) May says longer extension will mean European Parliament elections. May is still effectively saying vote for her deal. Edited March 13, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Victorian said: May deal coming back very soon. ****ing tragic. Which will be voted down again & again and the speaker will eventually have to put at stop to it surely? It’ll be a No Deal on the 29th if she keeps flogging a dead horse, regardless out tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Corbyn says they will try to find a compromise solution. Time running out though which was part of May strategy in delaying vote last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) BBC Parliament tv has Ian Blackford as everyone else cut away. Edited March 13, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 One resignation confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Once again the MSM cuts away to the presenter when Blackford starts talking. Everytime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Saying Tories in government were allowed to abstain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, hughesie27 said: Once again the MSM cuts away to the presenter when Blackford starts talking. Everytime I think its a disgrace. Without being 'political' snp are 3rd biggest party and should be treated with that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Reports of 20 ministers ignoring the 3 line whip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, hughesie27 said: Once again the MSM cuts away to the presenter when Blackford starts talking. Everytime They should have stayed. I think the reason is avoiding accusations of bias against Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, LeftBack said: I think its a disgrace. Without being 'political' snp are 3rd biggest party and should be treated with that respect. Agree And he is worth hearing too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Once again the MSM cuts away to the presenter when Blackford starts talking. Everytime That was pretty disgraceful. The third largest party and the governing party of Scotland. Sit down and shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 She specified that the extension motion was primarily technical and to enable her deal. She washed her hands of responsibility of alternatives. She's mentally ill. I'm completely baffled as to what happens now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'll be honest. I've had a handle on a lot of this. But I don't quite understand what's happened tonight. No deal was always going to be voted down. Is the shock because some ministers abstained from voting against no deal. Idiots guide would be welcomed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, LeftBack said: I'll be honest. I've had a handle on a lot of this. But I don't quite understand what's happened tonight. No deal was always going to be voted down. Is the shock because some ministers abstained from voting against no deal. Idiots guide would be welcomed!! Parliament has refused to ratify the deal done with the EU. Parliament has also refused to ratify a No Deal situation. The EU is not shifting one inch. Either May somehow gets her deal through in the next few days, we beg for an extension to Article 50 (which we would need to convince the EU the reason for) or we revoke Article 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 They're all pointing out the illegitimacy of her not accepting these results. Open rebellion against her contempt of parliament. Unprecedented political corruption in the mother of parliaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Lord BJ said: Slightly controversial but I like Ken Clarke, even his slightly sexist comments lol. Looks like you were right about article 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 She's a ****ing bombscare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cade said: Parliament has refused to ratify the deal done with the EU. Parliament has also refused to ratify a No Deal situation. The EU is not shifting one inch. Either May somehow gets her deal through in the next few days, we beg for an extension to Article 50 (which we would need to convince the EU the reason for) or we revoke Article 50. Thanks... I think... But why were gov whipping against voting against no deal. As I said I think I have a modicum of intelligence but I don't have a clue what is happening. I hope brexit doesn't happen BTW was always a remainer Edited March 13, 2019 by LeftBack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Slightly controversial but I like Ken Clarke, even his slightly sexist comments lol. Don't think it controversial - he is old school. Principled with personality. But agree May is bordering on the manic. Has to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Someone just said verbatim what her motion is for and she sat there shaking her head in denial. Just wow. She wont even allow them to know what's going on in house business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Ill try Govt put forward a motion to prevent a no deal on 29 March but only then. An amendment was passed on the motion, which was approved which states no deal will not happen ever. Therefore the original govt motion was amendment to rule out no deal for ever. The govt did want this so whipped against it amendment motion to stop it being passed. The whip failed spectacularly and motion passed which in theory rules out a no deal. A lot of tories ignored the whip. Which is a big deal for many reasons. Cheers. That makes as much sense as any of this dusterluck does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Victorian said: They're all pointing out the illegitimacy of her not accepting these results. Open rebellion against her contempt of parliament. Unprecedented political corruption in the mother of parliaments. In normal times May would have resigned weeks ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: Someone just said verbatim what her motion is for and she sat there shaking her head in denial. Just wow. She wont even allow them to know what's going on in house business. I will piss myself if Bercow prevents her from bringing her shit deal back for v 3.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Ugly American said: In normal times May would have resigned weeks ago? It's unprecedented. Utter madness. Completely overt dishonesty and dictatorship. The MPs are completely bamboozled and starting to call her out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, The Mighty Thor said: I will piss myself if Bercow prevents her from bringing her shit deal back for v 3.0 She'll get one more, at least. But the shit is going to hit the fan in the media and maybe elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Victorian said: It's unprecedented. Utter madness. Completely overt dishonesty and dictatorship. The MPs are completely bamboozled and starting to call her out. I don't completely follow the politics -- is a confidence vote in the cards? How could anyone in good faith say they had confidence in her government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Tomorrow's bonkers vote is to set a deadline for passing May's deal (yes, the exact same one) by next wednesday. If the deal is passed, the Govt will beg for an Article 50 extension until June 30th. If the deal is not passed, the Govt will beg for a longer extension and start preparing for the EU elections. Feck knows what happens if this motion to set a deadline is blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Sorry for being thick but if no agreement is reached in Parliament / with the EU, do we still leave on the 29th with no deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Ugly American said: I don't completely follow the politics -- is a confidence vote in the cards? How could anyone in good faith say they had confidence in her government? It may well happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, The Frenchman Returns said: Sorry for being thick but if no agreement is reached in Parliament / with the EU, do we still leave on the 29th with no deal? Yes as things stand Need a law passed by Parliament to change that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, The Frenchman Returns said: Sorry for being thick but if no agreement is reached in Parliament / with the EU, do we still leave on the 29th with no deal? In theory yes. May appears to be ignoring these votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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