Justin Z Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: We are not the USA where every state legislature has to agree to a constitutional amendment. The Supreme Court has definitively said that any Brexit deal does not require the approval of the Scottish Parliament. While both those statements are true on a superficial level, they have absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, J.T.F.Robertson said: Admirably making the supreme sacrifice, but how do we find the ditch? I've got a spade and a few days spare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Justin Z said: While both those statements are true on a superficial level, they have absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted. You said there was a compelling argument. There isn't. At all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, dobmisterdobster said: You said there was a compelling argument. There isn't. At all. You need to read more carefully and completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Lord BJ said: Whats Labours plans for MP who voted with govt? Also as Labour appear unlikely at the moment to be elected, you would imagine Corbyn will be ditched after a GE. Would a change of leader mean a different policy/strategy around brexit? Anybody who loses two GE against the worst, most inept, incompetent & useless bunch of Tories in decades shouldn't be anywhere near politics, let alone be leader of the opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: We are not the USA where every state legislature has to agree to a constitutional amendment. The Supreme Court has definitively said that any Brexit deal does not require the approval of the Scottish Parliament. Yes Scotland really needs to get out of such a weak, reliant position eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Lord BJ said: What take back control? Be a rule make and not a rule taker? Haud Oan! I thought “the Vow” addressed that... Oh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: We are not the USA where every state legislature has to agree to a constitutional amendment. The Supreme Court has definitively said that any Brexit deal does not require the approval of the Scottish Parliament. Yes Actually the US Constitution requires 3 quarters of the states to endorse an amendment (currently 38 states) Edited October 22, 2019 by RobboM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: What take back control? Be a rule make and not a rule taker? We do actually need to man up a bit as a nation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) Rights of British Citizens in the EU not in this new deal it’s just been revealed. PM says he will rectify it in the next couple of days. What a glaring error that is and highlights why time must be spent scrutinising this bill. Edited October 22, 2019 by Dannie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 A new poll by Yougov is showing the following voting intensions at a GE. Tories - 37% Labour - 22% Lib Dems - 19% Brexit Party - 11% Others - 12% Boris Johnson is over 20 percentage points ahead of Jeremy Corbyn as to who would make the best PM. If these figures were repeated in several other polls, then surely that would have to be a massive wake up call for Labour, hell, Labour are only 3% above the Lib Dems and could be in danger of being reduced to the third party and the Lib Dems being the official opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, RobboM said: Actually the US Constitution requires 3 quarters of the states to endorse an amendment (currently 38 states) Thank you. I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: A new poll by Yougov is showing the following voting intensions at a GE. Tories - 37% Labour - 22% Lib Dems - 19% Brexit Party - 11% Others - 12% Boris Johnson is over 20 percentage points ahead of Jeremy Corbyn as to who would make the best PM. If these figures were repeated in several other polls, then surely that would have to be a massive wake up call for Labour, hell, Labour are only 3% above the Lib Dems and could be in danger of being reduced to the third party and the Lib Dems being the official opposition. I never really trust these things but I do think Labour have missed the biggest open goal in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: A new poll by Yougov is showing the following voting intensions at a GE. Tories - 37% Labour - 22% Lib Dems - 19% Brexit Party - 11% Others - 12% Boris Johnson is over 20 percentage points ahead of Jeremy Corbyn as to who would make the best PM. If these figures were repeated in several other polls, then surely that would have to be a massive wake up call for Labour, hell, Labour are only 3% above the Lib Dems and could be in danger of being reduced to the third party and the Lib Dems being the official opposition. Even if the Lib Dems beat Labour in the popular vote, First past the post will screw them over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, dobmisterdobster said: NI has an EU frontier. Scotland is part of the mainland. We are not a federation. If Scotland gets a veto should London or Yorkshire have one? Scotland's a nation. Yorkshire and London are part of England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Even if the Lib Dems beat Labour in the popular vote, First past the post will screw them over. As it always has. FPTP is a ludicrous anachronism and should long since have be consigned to the dustbin of history. It favours parties whose support happens to be concentrated in particular localities i.e. Labour and Conservative. Even in a very poor election performance, each can expect to pick up a minimum of 200 seats. It's a bit like how the Old Firm have a stranglehold on Scottish Football - they won't change rules which ensure their dominance, even if inherently unfair. A huge benefit of doing away with FPTP is that it would get rid of tactical voting immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Think the problem is these voting intentions due to FTP don’t necessarily correlate to winning seats. That said I suspect the Lib Dem’s might make some good gains south of the border. They will probably become the party of protest for the English. Agreed with that. 1983 election a good comparison. Lib/SDP alliance got roughly 25% of the vote, just shy of Labour, but only returned about 17 seats (haven't checked that though). In the current climate, how many of the 13 Scottish Tory seats remain? That means they would have to win those lost back elsewhere plus extra to gain a majority. Not impossible, but I suspect the lib dems may make gains at the expense of the Tories, less so labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: I never really trust these things but I do think Labour have missed the biggest open goal in history. Labour are slowly being poisoned by Momentum and their grip on the party. Sitting MPs are being bullied and intimidated out of their jobs and deselected. They are being replaced by candidates further left. Labour MP John Mann spoke about it on the radio this morning. I usually voted Labour in the past right up to Ed Milliband even though I didn't like him. Wouldn't touch them with a shitty stick now. I don't care for Boris either so it's a protest vote for the Lib Dems for me even though I'm unimpressed with Jo Swinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Tory MPs want to claim for childcare expenses. Can't say I blame them. Imagine having to pay someone to look after this all day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: Labour are slowly being poisoned by Momentum and their grip on the party. Sitting MPs are being bullied and intimidated out of their jobs and deselected. They are being replaced by candidates further left. Labour MP John Mann spoke about it on the radio this morning. I usually voted Labour in the past right up to Ed Milliband even though I didn't like him. Wouldn't touch them with a shitty stick now. I don't care for Boris either so it's a protest vote for the Lib Dems for me even though I'm unimpressed with Jo Swinson. Swinging to the yellow tories , Lib Dem leader Swinton has a insidious voting record, bedroom tax ect... Nothing wrong with the left getting momentum, had enough of the red tories within Labour, like the Blairites for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: Labour are slowly being poisoned by Momentum and their grip on the party. Sitting MPs are being bullied and intimidated out of their jobs and deselected. They are being replaced by candidates further left. Labour MP John Mann spoke about it on the radio this morning. I usually voted Labour in the past right up to Ed Milliband even though I didn't like him. Wouldn't touch them with a shitty stick now. I don't care for Boris either so it's a protest vote for the Lib Dems for me even though I'm unimpressed with Jo Swinson. I couldn’t vote for her either tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) The hate for Corbyn has blinded many haters. This below from the well respected and credabile Bloomberg .. Johnson is not even ;listening to such organisations, he is a total car crash of a man and dangerous The calculations, based on Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party offering a second referendum that leads to the nation staying in the bloc, demonstrate how the Brexit process has turned the usual norms in the U.K. on their head. Economists and investors are warming to the prospect of a left-wing lawmaker who favors nationalization of some industries and stronger worker protections. Corbyn’s Brexit stance better for economy than Johnson’s Bloomberg Economics says the two scenarios are ‘worlds apart’ Avoiding Brexit Altogether Would Give U.K. $106 Billion Boost Edited October 22, 2019 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: I never really trust these things but I do think Labour have missed the biggest open goal in history. Neither do I, however I think it's an indication of just how far Labour has fallen when they are about 15% behind the most useless bunch of Tories in decades and only a couple of percentage points ahead of the Lib Dems. As others have said FTP will not reflect the % the Lib Dem will get, but that's the system we have for now, so not a lot we can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 DIVISION!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: Well at least I’m not the only one to do it 😀 That's what happens when you just copy from others. Doh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) Second reading wins by 30. Swing of 16 needed to defeat programme motion. It's going to be very close. Edited October 22, 2019 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Is it this vote that if the Gov loses he said would call for a GE or was it the 1st vote there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, hughesie27 said: Is it this vote that if the Gov loses he said would call for a GE or was it the 1st vote there? Either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: Either. Lavly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 This will hopefully end in time for my interest to turn towards my football bets. Unless he calls a FTP act motion. FTPA ---> BTTS plz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Down by 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Lavly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) Corbyn offers talks on agreeing revised timetable after Govt loses. Edited October 22, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 What's the point of the winning side announcing the outcome of the vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 308-322. Announced on page 322 of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Offer by Corbyn to agree a longer timetable. PM rambling on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 PM ignores offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Boris still says aiming for leaving 31 October. Will wait for EU response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Bill being paused while he goes off to work the back channels in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 So EU must now agree Extension first before Boris will do anything. EU will agree Extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Hopefully baw jaws tries to be cute with the Benn act and the courts feel his collar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just take the delay and have an election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Just take the delay and have an election. Yeah Election could lead to Brexit being cancelled. Top strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Boris is like the wee pr*ck going in a huff during a game of football and taking his ball home. Fair warms the cockles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Nobody knows what to do next not even Bojo! EU tells us to do one that would top it all off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) Boris has done a runner! has he gone to phone the EU??????? Edited October 22, 2019 by Dannie Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dannie Boy said: Nobody knows what to do next not even Bojo! EU tells us to do one that would top it all off. They would have to cancel article 50 surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Yeah Election could lead to Brexit being cancelled. Top strategy. True. Still better than this parliament who won't pass any kind of deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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