Brexit Deal agreed ( updated )

[Footballfirst]

6 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

When does the Committee stage of the bill start? 

The government will have to have a new timetable agreed first.

[Victorian]

31 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Who?

 

Dunno.   I think I got that wrong in my state of mind thinking about Rita Ora.

[Victorian]

Ffs the legislation MUST be passed first here per the constraints put on the gvt.    The legislation CANNOT be passed without a programme motion,  then the committee stage, then to the lords,  then back to the commons.     The bill cannot be passed before the legislation.

[graygo]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Dunno.   I think I got that wrong in my state of mind thinking about Rita Ora.

 

Perfectly understandable.

 

 

[Mikey1874]

5 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Ffs the legislation MUST be passed first here per the constraints put on the gvt.    The legislation CANNOT be passed without a programme motion,  then the committee stage, then to the lords,  then back to the commons.     The bill cannot be passed before the legislation.

 

Back on next week I'd say after EU brings some sense to proceedings (Extension)..

 

Whatever the Government (Boris and Cumberbatch) are up to they still have to deliver something that doesn't wreck the economy. 

[dobmisterdobster]

Imagine thinking Rita Ora is tidy.

[Mikey1874]

[Victorian]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Back on next week I'd say after EU brings some sense to proceedings (Extension)..

 

Whatever the Government (Boris and Cumberbatch) are up to they still have to deliver something that doesn't wreck the economy. 

 

Hopefully the EU strategise to wrong-foot Johnson and the weirdo with a longer extension.    Meanwhile,   the legislation (if it isn't parked) may be amended with something catastrophic for Johnson,   which would need to be agreed with the EU.    Then it's election time and the Brexit Party hopefully contest on a 'geez oor Brexit noo' ticket and take a wet bite out of the Tories arse for vote share.    Another hung parliament to prevent the hardliners taking full control.

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Nae withdrawal agreement there.

[gjcc]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

 

Nae withdrawal agreement there.

Struggle to get a timetable that pleases anyone either. 

[Unknown user]

23 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Distort anyone enough and they'll look barry

[Tommy Brown]

1 hour ago, graygo said:

 

Who?

Mollie Ogden's sister

[RobboM]

5 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Mollie Ogden's sister

Bravo! 🙂

[SwindonJambo]

4 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

Swinging to the yellow tories , Lib Dem leader Swinton has a  insidious voting record, bedroom tax ect... Nothing wrong with the left getting momentum, had enough of the red tories within Labour, like the Blairites for example. 

Labour are currently 15 points behind in the Polls and only just leading the Lib Dems with a very poor Conservative party far out in front. What a state we're in. Hopefully Corbyn will go after the election. Kinnock only got to contest 2 elections as leader!

[Rudy T]

They’re playing into BJs hands here. He knew if it got to the second vote they’d lose that. The extension will be granted especially after the WA bill got through and BJ will call the GE and it’ll get the support from all but Labour but that’ll be enough to get it through.

 

I reckon we’ll be back at the polling booths by the start of December.

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, dobmisterdobster said:

Imagine thinking Rita Ora is tidy.

Aye...average

 

[graygo]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

 

Nae withdrawal agreement there.

 

She might be looking for an extension though.

[dobmisterdobster]

27 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Aye...average

 

The face really doesn't do it for me. Plus Rob Kardashian has been in there.

[shaun.lawson]

5 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

And for all the mockery the buffoon has made more progress to getting the thing done in three months than May did in three years.

 

    

 

- Makes united Ireland infinitely more likely, thereby destroying UK

 

- Does deal which is much more right wing than anything May could ever have dreamt up

 

- Provides zero protections for workers' rights

 

- Invites mass deregulation of just about everything

 

- Leaves trapdoor to No Deal which you describe as a "conspiracy theory"  

 

- Tries to prevent Parliament so much as scrutinising the most important piece of legislation in peacetime Britain

 

- Loses EIGHT OUT OF NINE votes in Parliament; utterly unheard of 

 

- Throws tantrum when Parliament says "can you give us some time to read and discuss this?"

 

What's the next FA hot take going to be? The earth is flat? 

 

Excellent stuff from Parliament yesterday. Passing the second reading shows good faith. Throwing out the timetable motion rejects the government's disgusting, shameless, never-ending bad faith. And for the rest? See Vic's post above. This will not be passed without significant amendments which take it a lot closer to what Labour wanted in the first place. The Tories will never stand for that of course... so a general election must be the most likely outcome.

[shaun.lawson]

8 hours ago, SwindonJambo said:

 

Labour are slowly being poisoned by Momentum 

 

 

 

Do you have Tourette's? Genuine question.

 

Oh.. do tell us more about John Mann. And his constant support for hard Brexit. And his opposition to Yvette Cooper's attempts to help Parliament find a compromise. And his attempts to prevent Parliament stopping No Deal. And his appointment as the government's "antisemitism tsar" not because he has the first ****ing clue about antisemitism... but because he hates Corbyn. And his accompanying peerage -- which in the real world, is what's known as a bribe. Marvellous.

 

The reason the UK is in this situation right now is because extraordinary swathes of the public are clinically incapable of critical thinking. About anything. They swallow whatever they read, whatever they hear, without questioning it for a single moment. You are an absolute exemplar of that. 

 

SwindonJambo: THE LEFT ARE POISONING LABOUR!

 

Also SwindonJambo: Speaks highly of "Labour MP" who joins Tory government, takes a bribe and supports No Deal

 

Utterly, utterly, utterly unbelievable.

[shaun.lawson]

The Banana Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Trump, eat your heart out.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/british-journalists-have-become-part-of-johnsons-fake-news-machine/

[Francis Albert]

37 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

Do you have Tourette's? Genuine question.

 

Oh.. do tell us more about John Mann. And his constant support for hard Brexit. And his opposition to Yvette Cooper's attempts to help Parliament find a compromise. And his attempts to prevent Parliament stopping No Deal. And his appointment as the government's "antisemitism tsar" not because he has the first ****ing clue about antisemitism... but because he hates Corbyn. And his accompanying peerage -- which in the real world, is what's known as a bribe. Marvellous.

 

The reason the UK is in this situation right now is because extraordinary swathes of the public are clinically incapable of critical thinking. About anything. They swallow whatever they read, whatever they hear, without questioning it for a single moment. You are an absolute exemplar of that. 

 

SwindonJambo: THE LEFT ARE POISONING LABOUR!

 

Also SwindonJambo: Speaks highly of "Labour MP" who joins Tory government, takes a bribe and supports No Deal

 

Utterly, utterly, utterly unbelievable.

"Extraordinary swathes of the UK population are clinically incapable of critical thinking". Sounds a bit sort of fascist to me. 

[shaun.lawson]

11 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

"Extraordinary swathes of the UK population are clinically incapable of critical thinking". Sounds a bit sort of fascist to me. 

 

The article I just posted perfectly explains why. 

[Francis Albert]

8 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

The article I just posted perfectly explains why. 

It really doesn't Shaun. It just says someone agrees with you. It does not support your assertion that swathes of fthe UK population are  clinically incapable of critical thinking. 

Edited October 23, 2019 by Francis Albert

[shaun.lawson]

11 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

It really doesn't Shaun. It just says someone agrees with you. It does not support your assertion that swathes of fthe UK population are  clinically incapable of critical thinking. 

 

It really does, Francis. And it provides this awful thing - which I know the UK doesn't do any more - called 'evidence'. It doesn't only expose the right wing press. It exposes the so-called 'moderate, centrist' press... and the BBC, funded by single mothers on pain of imprisonment, as well. 

 

When the public is being bombarded with government propaganda day in, day out through almost every 'mainstream' media source in the land, guess what happens? The public ends up without the first clue about anything at all. Deference to authority does the rest.

 

Oborne couldn't get that published anywhere other than Open Democracy. Can't think why.   If the UK was the US at the time of Watergate, our media would be... covering the whole thing up. Just as it's already done huge amounts in covering up the illegality of the referendum, Vote Leave, and Cambridge Analytica: regarding which, most of the public have absolutely no idea what went on. 

Edited October 23, 2019 by shaun.lawson

[Francis Albert]

5 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

It really does, Francis. And it provides this awful thing - which I know the UK doesn't do any more - called 'evidence'. It doesn't only expose the right wing pressIt exposes the so-called 'moderate, centrist' press... and the BBC, funded by single mothers on pain of imprisonment, as well. 

 

When the public is being bombarded with government propaganda day in, day out through almost every 'mainstream' media source in the land, guess what happens? The public ends up without the first clue about anything at all. Deference to authority does the rest.

 

Oborne couldn't get that published anywhere other than Open Democracy. Can't think why.   If the UK was the US at the time of Watergate, our media would be... covering the whole thing up. Just as it's already done huge amounts in covering up the illegality of the referendum, Vote Leave, and Cambridge Analytica: regarding which, most of the public have absolutely no idea what went on. 

The BBC is funded by single mothers on the pain of imprisonment?

Well yes of course.

[Francis Albert]

22 minutes ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

It really does, Francis. And it provides this awful thing - which I know the UK doesn't do any more - called 'evidence'. It doesn't only expose the right wing press. It exposes the so-called 'moderate, centrist' press... and the BBC, funded by single mothers on pain of imprisonment, as well. 

 

When the public is being bombarded with government propaganda day in, day out through almost every 'mainstream' media source in the land, guess what happens? The public ends up without the first clue about anything at all. Deference to authority does the rest.

 

Oborne couldn't get that published anywhere other than Open Democracy. Can't think why.   If the UK was the US at the time of Watergate, our media would be... covering the whole thing up. Just as it's already done huge amounts in covering up the illegality of the referendum, Vote Leave, and Cambridge Analytica: regarding which, most of the public have absolutely no idea what went on. 

Ok I will continue to hope for an answer. Why exactly was the referendum illegal?

[ri Alban]

12 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Self govern all you want but Scotland cannot just be given a constitutional veto like that.

All you want? Thought I'd ask.

[ri Alban]

8 hours ago, Hairdryer said:

Why did they pick Halloween for the uk to leave brexit

Gies us a few days to build a big enough bonnie.

[Victorian]

7 hours ago, graygo said:

 

She might be looking for an extension though.

 

She'd git yin.    

[SwindonJambo]

5 hours ago, shaun.lawson said:

 

Do you have Tourette's? Genuine question.

 

Oh.. do tell us more about John Mann. And his constant support for hard Brexit. And his opposition to Yvette Cooper's attempts to help Parliament find a compromise. And his attempts to prevent Parliament stopping No Deal. And his appointment as the government's "antisemitism tsar" not because he has the first ****ing clue about antisemitism... but because he hates Corbyn. And his accompanying peerage -- which in the real world, is what's known as a bribe. Marvellous.

 

The reason the UK is in this situation right now is because extraordinary swathes of the public are clinically incapable of critical thinking. About anything. They swallow whatever they read, whatever they hear, without questioning it for a single moment. You are an absolute exemplar of that. 

 

SwindonJambo: THE LEFT ARE POISONING LABOUR!

 

Also SwindonJambo: Speaks highly of "Labour MP" who joins Tory government, takes a bribe and supports No Deal

 

Utterly, utterly, utterly unbelievable.

 

I don't care much for the rest of JM's politics. But he felt intimidated by the bully boy tactics of Momentum, like many other older Labour MPs, some of whom have already left the party. No one of any political hue should have to deal with that.

 

His 'bribe'? And  that little hypocrite Chakrobarty with her whitewash report on alleged anti-Semitism in Labour followed by a free pass straight into the Lords and a senior role in the party, despite never having been an MP. 

 

No I do not have Tourettes, you rude, condescending individual. You do not win converts to your cause by abusing them.

 

And please do not misquote me. Childish stuff. I said 'Momentum are slowly poisoning Labour'. Nothing wrong with being Left if you're open an honest about it.

 

Momentum are a bunch of anti democratic bullying thugs.

 

Cheerio. I used to give you  a bit more leeway than most on here but I'm off the bus now. You're perfectly entitled to your views but they're of no more importance than anyone else's. You can use your 1 vote out of 40+ million like everyone else.

 

I'm getting ready for work now. You know that thing most people have to do to feed themselves?

 

Edited October 23, 2019 by SwindonJambo

[Victorian]

David Lidington stating what should be the glaring obvious in any situation involving a sane,  responsible,  rational,  adult government.    That the gvt should return with a revised timetable for another programme motion.

 

Well there you go... it really is as simple as that.    But this gvt is incapable of rational,  logical action.    To do so is a tacit admission that others are, in part, steering the agenda.

 

One can only hope that the electorate will remember the control freakery and arrogant irresponsibility of this government when it comes to ballot time.     Brexit isn't getting done because it's more important to these lunatics to create their own image of Brexit getting done than to actually get it done.

[jack D and coke]

27 minutes ago, Victorian said:

David Lidington stating what should be the glaring obvious in any situation involving a sane,  responsible,  rational,  adult government.    That the gvt should return with a revised timetable for another programme motion.

 

Well there you go... it really is as simple as that.    But this gvt is incapable of rational,  logical action.    To do so is a tacit admission that others are, in part, steering the agenda.

 

One can only hope that the electorate will remember the control freakery and arrogant irresponsibility of this government when it comes to ballot time.     Brexit isn't getting done because it's more important to these lunatics to create their own image of Brexit getting done than to actually get it done.

They won’t. 
See a few posts up and FA basically praising that joker Johnson. 
Wild. 

[Victorian]

13 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

They won’t. 
See a few posts up and FA basically praising that joker Johnson. 
Wild. 

 

You're right.   They wont.   The age of any semblance of sophisticated political consideration is gone forever.    It's all about the base line,  lowest common denominator,  crudest appeal.    Political messaging is solely aimed at those least interested in politics.     Those who do have a good understanding and who still insist that a turd is a bar of gold are simply dishonest.

[The Real Maroonblood]

22 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

They won’t. 
See a few posts up and FA basically praising that joker Johnson. 
Wild. 

 

51 minutes ago, Victorian said:

David Lidington stating what should be the glaring obvious in any situation involving a sane,  responsible,  rational,  adult government.    That the gvt should return with a revised timetable for another programme motion.

 

Well there you go... it really is as simple as that.    But this gvt is incapable of rational,  logical action.    To do so is a tacit admission that others are, in part, steering the agenda.

 

One can only hope that the electorate will remember the control freakery and arrogant irresponsibility of this government when it comes to ballot time.     Brexit isn't getting done because it's more important to these lunatics to create their own image of Brexit getting done than to actually get it done.

 

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

You're right.   They wont.   The age of any semblance of sophisticated political consideration is gone forever.    It's all about the base line,  lowest common denominator,  crudest appeal.    Political messaging is solely aimed at those least interested in politics.     Those who do have a good understanding and who still insist that a turd is a bar of gold are simply dishonest.

Hard to disagree with these posts.

[Unknown user]

6 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

"Extraordinary swathes of the UK population are clinically incapable of critical thinking". Sounds a bit sort of fascist to me. 

 

And yet there are many who want to plunge the country into no deal chaos without the slightest clue of what that actually means. Even though we've been told. Even though sitting for 5 minutes and thinking critically about it will show what a crazy idea it is. 

[Victorian]

But.. but.  But.. we'll have trade deals with other countries.    It'll take years to negotiate and ratify them but it doesn't matter 'cos we'll be better off.     It doesn't matter if 50,000 people lose their jobs now 'cos 52,000 different people can have jobs in 10 years time.

[jack D and coke]

11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

But.. but.  But.. we'll have trade deals with other countries.    It'll take years to negotiate and ratify them but it doesn't matter 'cos we'll be better off.     It doesn't matter if 50,000 people lose their jobs now 'cos 52,000 different people can have jobs in 10 years time.

Haven’t seen anyone mention it in here but this deal BJ is attempting to mug us off with means we can’t negotiate any deal without the EU ok’ing it first. We’re not allowed to negotiate a better deal than them either with this laughable deal  

Honestly who are these jokers. 
They should be run out of office for this shite. 

[Victorian]

19 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Haven’t seen anyone mention it in here but this deal BJ is attempting to mug us off with means we can’t negotiate any deal without the EU ok’ing it first. We’re not allowed to negotiate a better deal than them either with this laughable deal  

Honestly who are these jokers. 
They should be run out of office for this shite. 

 

A couple of things from the last few days.

 

Someone in the commons was pointing out that the deal would represent complete deregulation.    The mic picked up some ***** on the treasury benches saying "yes that's what we want".

 

IDS was defending the 2 days legislation timetable by glibly saying that no time was required on it because it had all apparently been debated 2 years ago and that there isn't much of a difference in detail now.     Pure, unadulterated bullshit of the most rancid reek.

 

These people are mentally ill. 

Edited October 23, 2019 by Victorian

[Unknown user]

Wonder what we'll spend the brexit dividend on

[...a bit disco]

...and the implementation of the new EU tax laws creeps ever closer.

[Victorian]

The things that politicians do,   the policies they support,  the policies they enact,  the things they say,  the truths they admit,  the lies they tell,  the nuance of language they employ all offer an insight into what kind of person they are.   Always.    The value and emphasis people place on these things has been enormously eroded.    People don't care anymore.    They just want the amorphous notion that they (often mistakenly) believe they voted for.

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

The things that politicians do,   the policies they support,  the policies they enact,  the things they say,  the truths they admit,  the lies they tell,  the nuance of language they employ all offer an insight into what kind of person they are.   Always.    The value and emphasis people place on these things has been enormously eroded.    People don't care anymore.    They just want the amorphous notion that they (often mistakenly) believe they voted for.

 

They run the country but they've forgotten that the machine is to be used for the benefit of the population, and instead use the population for the benefit of the machine.

[RobboM]

Another of the mistruths being peddled is the slogan "Let's Get Brexit Done!"
How do you think it would go down if it was actualy replaced by the more honest "Let's Get Brexit Started!" There's years and years of the shit show to come.

[Victorian]

10 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

They run the country but they've forgotten that the machine is to be used for the benefit of the population, and instead use the population for the benefit of the machine.

 

To be honest,   the political machine has been a vehicle for personal benefit for a very long time.   It's not a new thing by any means.    But there once was a reasonable,  credible level of responsibility and even duty,   which is now greatly diminished.     Lately it's been much easier for the grossly self serving political pygmies to hide in plain sight.    The cacophony of Brexit allows them to switch,  pivot,  u-turn,  lie,  disown previous positions.    

Edited October 23, 2019 by Victorian

[dobmisterdobster]

9 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Another of the mistruths being peddled is the slogan "Let's Get Brexit Done!"
How do you think it would go down if it was actualy replaced by the more honest "Let's Get Brexit Started!" There's years and years of the shit show to come.

I disagree.

While Brexit negotiations will continue for years, they will move into the background where the media and the general population won't take any notice of them.

[Unknown user]

12 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

To be honest,   the political machine has been a vehicle for personal benefit for a very long time.   It's not a new thing by any means.    But there once was a reasonable,  credible level of responsibility and even duty,   which is now greatly diminished.     Lately it's been much easier for the grossly self serving political pygmies to hide in plain sight.    The cacophony of Brexit allows them to switch,  pivot,  u-turn,  lie,  disown previous positions.    

 

It used to be a bad thing to be caught lying, now it doesn't matter as long as you're jeering in the right direction.

[Victorian]

4 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

I disagree.

While Brexit negotiations will continue for years, they will move into the background where the media and the general population won't take any notice of them.

 

For a while.    So Johnson should actually be parroting "let's get Brexit hidden".

[jack D and coke]

38 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

A couple of things from the last few days.

 

Someone in the commons was pointing out that the deal would represent complete deregulation.    The mic picked up some ***** on the treasury benches saying "yes that's what we want".

 

IDS was defending the 2 days legislation timetable by glibly saying that no time was required on it because it had all apparently been debated 2 years ago and that there isn't much of a difference in detail now.     Pure, unadulterated bullshit of the most rancid reek.

 

These people are mentally ill. 

People queuing up to defend this lot too...

🤢

[dobmisterdobster]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

For a while.    So Johnson should actually be parroting "let's get Brexit hidden".

Do you think the average person will care about diplomats discussing agriculture? That's what most of the talks will be about.