Victorian Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Government opposing the indicative votes process. And there be another vote shortly. Say they would have made time themselves to find an agreed position. It's horrendous. Obstruction at every turn. May & mini-May (Leadsom) operate on the basis of them alone being the government. Noses are out of joint. Leadsom gave the game away yesterday. "It's between us and the EU". Us = May and her. Nobody else exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Victorian said: It's horrendous. Obstruction at every turn. May & mini-May (Leadsom) operate on the basis of them alone being the government. Noses are out of joint. Leadsom gave the game away yesterday. "It's between us and the EU". Us = May and her. Nobody else exists. It's counter productive what they have done today. Pissing people off some more. Probably helps the process as long a vote is won to allow today to go ahead. which sounds like it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Just another point I would make on soft Brexit or Common Market 2.0 or Norway. Aside from being more of a consensus including between leavers and remainers. It would be further insurance on dealing with situation of Scotland (in EU) being independent. Edited March 27, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Barnier ripping into Fromage earlier: "Mr Farage, no-one in Brussels is trying to steal Brexit from you, no-one is trying to undo the vote of the British people. It is not Brussels that decided that the UK would leave the EU. You were the ones who made that choice and you are the ones who have to take your responsibility and face up to the consequences of that decision. No-one else." Edited March 27, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cade said: Barnier ripping into Fromage earlier: "Mr Farage, no-one in Brussels is trying to steal Brexit from you, no-one is trying to undo the vote of the British people. It is not Brussels that decided that the UK would leave the EU. You were the ones who made that choice and you are the ones who have to take your responsibility and face up to the consequences of that decision. No-one else." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Today in parliament: - Rees-Mogg accuses Boles and Letwin of not respecting the result of the referendum. - Boles points out they voted for the Brexit deal, and Rees-Mogg didn’t. - Rees-Mogg accuses them of not acting like Etonians: "behaving more like Wykehamists (alumnus of Winchester school) rather than the Old Etonians" MAN OF THE PEOPLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) As Cade says above quite a lot of Conservative MPs who support May's deal are backing the process today. Because they accept the Deal can't get through and there needs to be another way. Edited March 27, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Again these idiots like Rees-Mogg suddenly backing the deal now. What has happened was easily foreseeable. We always used to say some of these posh clever highly educated people are just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cade said: Today in parliament: - Rees-Mogg accuses Boles and Letwin of not respecting the result of the referendum. - Boles points out they voted for the Brexit deal, and Rees-Mogg didn’t. - Rees-Mogg accuses them of not acting like Etonians: "behaving more like Wykehamists (alumnus of Winchester school) rather than the Old Etonians" MAN OF THE PEOPLE What a walloper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 We carry on Vote to proceed today with votes on options won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Treeza loses again. Parliament passes the business motion (basically the same as the previous Letwin motion) by a majority of 44 (Letwin only passed with 27) Edited March 27, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 DUP statement incoming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) B, D, H, J, K, L, M, O selected by Speaker for consideration. These will be votes on later after debate. Edited March 27, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Starting to get tasty now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Government minister reckoning MV3 tomoz or Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Speaker has talked of not allowing vote without "substantial changes". Confirms remains the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said: Government minister reckoning MV3 tomoz or Friday. Bercow might have just torpedoed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, ...a bit disco said: DUP statement incoming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Lord BJ said: May deal not coming back unless meets test of being different. It ain’t coming back. Yep. Think Speaker said that to help concentrate minds today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Cade said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Bercow doubles down on his "no 3rd vote" ruling Essentially stating that lots of amendments will need to be passed so that the deal becomes substantially different from the previously twice defeated one. Then he'll allow a 3rd vote. Edited March 27, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Not sure there will be huge support for any of those. I reckon 3 will get a majority and then move forward. 2 would be better. If they are then asked to choose 1 of 2 it could be very close. 1 from 3 could be very confused. Same paggering next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 If Parliament voters for Common Market 2.0 it paves the way for an independent Scotland to be admitted to EU without any fuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 The Shitehouse compromise is a waste of space. It proposes that the EU will cave in and allow a "standstill" (transition period) while we leave (but don't really leave) and while we **** them about for another two years having the same groupchug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 38 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: B, D, H, J, K, L, M, O selected by Speaker for consideration. These will be votes on later after debate. Seems each person is presenting case first on the 8 proposals then there is a general debate till 7pm. People can withdraw their proposals up to 4.30pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) JRM wants to vote for deal then try and torpedo it later. He also wants to change his mind on the deal (which would leave us a Vassal State apparently) as circumstances have changed as we risk no Brexit at all. Given that his investment firm was offering advice to clients on how to "Brexit proof their funds" I guess he's covered. Of course, the people shouldn't get that option to change their minds like him though. Edited March 27, 2019 by Costanza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Labour is supporting a referendum. On whatever proposal is agreed by Parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) L - Joanna Cherry’s - Revocation to avoid no deal Under this plan, if the government has not passed its withdrawal agreement, it would have to stage a vote on a no-deal Brexit two sitting days before the scheduled date of departure. If MPs refuse to authorise no-deal, the prime minister would be required to halt Brexit by revoking article 50. The motion, tabled by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry, has been signed by 33 MPs including the Conservative former attorney general Dominic Grieve, the Liberal Democrat leader, Sir Vince Cable, Labour’s Ben Bradshaw and all 11 members of the Independent Group. M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote Drawn up by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and tabled by former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett with the backing of scores of MPs across the House, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification. Edited March 27, 2019 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cade said: L - Joanna Cherry’s - Revocation to avoid no deal Under this plan, if the government has not passed its withdrawal agreement, it would have to stage a vote on a no-deal Brexit two sitting days before the scheduled date of departure. If MPs refuse to authorise no-deal, the prime minister would be required to halt Brexit by revoking article 50. The motion, tabled by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry, has been signed by 33 MPs including the Conservative former attorney general Dominic Grieve, the Liberal Democrat leader, Sir Vince Cable, Labour’s Ben Bradshaw and all 11 members of the Independent Group. M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote Drawn up by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and tabled by former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett with the backing of scores of MPs across the House, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification. Cherry's motion is a good one. Suspect a few Tories would hold their nose and vote for May's deal and then try and sabotage things later though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 May can't use any procedure like another preparatory vote to get Deal to vote, so what change can she make? While not confirmed vote is going ahead they have just confirmed they will sit in Parliament on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 May currently talking to her backbenchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: May can't use any procedure like another preparatory vote to get Deal to vote, so what change can she make? While not confirmed vote is going ahead they have just confirmed they will sit in Parliament on Friday. Ministerial positions? Peerages? Retain lax tax laws that the EU are trying to close? Not quite what you are getting, but it's what she'll do. Edited March 27, 2019 by DETTY29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Bercow has fecked up her plan again. She’s not got time to significantly change her deal. How is she going to get around him. ?♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) I like Bercow more and more while he does sometimes come across as liking the limelight too much he is extremely intelligent and knows his onions. I have a real dislike for Leadsom she is a horrible horrible woman. Edited March 27, 2019 by Jamboelite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Bercow has fecked up her plan again. She’s not got time to significantly change her deal. How is she going to get around him. ?♂️ She can change her deal by accepting whatever proposal being debated today wins a majority. None of which involve changing the withdrawal agreement. But would change the political declaration which the EU would be more than happy to do, and do fairly quickly. Edited March 27, 2019 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cruyff Turn Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: She can change her deal by accepting whatever proposal being debated today wins a majority. None of which involve changing the withdrawal agreement. But would change the political declaration which the EU would be more than happy to do, and do fairly quickly. That’s the avenue MPs and the speaker are trying to force her down but she’s made it pretty clear she won’t be accepting any other proposals. She’s resigned now apparently as a makeweight to get her deal through, she must have the numbers, she just needs to get it past Bercow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Total hypocrisy and self indulgence if people change their vote based on May being PM. She is temporary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, hughesie27 said: Total hypocrisy and self indulgence if people change their vote based on May being PM. She is temporary. The ERG will seize this chance now, stick their man in and change it for their own self interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said: The ERG will seize this chance now, stick their man in and change it for their own self interests. Hopefully the DUP stand firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: The ERG will seize this chance now, stick their man in and change it for their own self interests. Nah May made it clear that she wants the next PM to come from inside the current cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, Cade said: Nah May made it clear that she wants the next PM to come from inside the current cabinet. That slimey toad Gove has been looking to slip in since Brexit was first announced.Played the long game well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It could be read the other way. Another threat. If you fail to back a deal to leave and we end up in a long extension.... I'm staying. They definitely don't want that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 "She has shown once again that she puts the national interest first, before personal gain" David Mundell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Cade said: "She has shown once again that she puts the national interest first, before personal gain" David Mundell Trying to play the big loyalist to keep his ministerial perks. Arsepiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Does anybody actually believe a word that now come out of May's mouth? It has been clear from day one of the referendum result that she, an ardent remainer, with a predominantly remain Government, in a majority remain Parliament, have set out to fudge, undermine, delay, and more or less try to prove to the people that leaving the EU would be a terrible thing to do, that the UK could not cope on it's own. One wonders how our parents/granparents managed pre EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 28 minutes ago, Cade said: Nah May made it clear that she wants the next PM to come from inside the current cabinet. Depends if it goes to a vote. If it comes to members then Boris would be favoured. If it’s a Party choice it’ll be pob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Cruyff Turn said: Depends if it goes to a vote. If it comes to members then Boris would be favoured. If it’s a Party choice it’ll be pob. Most unlikely MPs who decide final 2 will vote for Boris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Victorian said: Trying to play the big loyalist to keep his ministerial perks. Arsepiece. Aw aboot the ermine. Sleekit wee *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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