Victorian Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Id like to bet thats exactly how Scotland is viewed. IE know their place. We do though. Sit down. Shut up. Would love to know if that's accurate. What did they imagine would happen by going into a C&S arrangement with the DUP? Without it they would never have been able to form a government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Victorian said: Would love to know if that's accurate. What did they imagine would happen by going into a C&S arrangement with the DUP? Without it they would never have been able to form a government. Probably that they’d be as spineless as Clegg was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 The sheer idiocy of the Twitter world summarised in the last few posts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Francis Albert said: I have to say the "trailer" led me to expect more than a list of the UK's seven deadly sins in relation to understanding Ireland's position with little substantiation or justification beyond shallow assertion. But then this is in the comic that it is now and not what was once a great newspaper. If McDonagh's analysis and argument is typical of the Irish Diplomatic corps (which I doubt) then it would not be surprising if the UK did indeed misunderstand Ireland's position. I was going to attempt a fuller critique of McDonagh's article but haven't had the time. But let me give one example. He claims that one of the misunderstandings is that the UK fails to understand that Ireland sees its future in the EU and not in the UK. It is nearly a century since anyone with half a brain or even none thought Ireland's future belonged in the UK. Edited December 11, 2018 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 John Redwood explaining his Brexit fantasy on Newsnight. He was better at singing the Welsh national anthem. ****ing maniac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, Victorian said: John Redwood explaining his Brexit fantasy on Newsnight. He was better at singing the Welsh national anthem. ****ing maniac. Not a fan but he put Kirsty in her place. The interviewing persists In being editorial on newsnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Sturgeon should go ahead and call an independence referendum. This is beyond a shambles and we potential have a parachute if we bail now, she has the mandate - this (Brextastro****) is not what people voted for in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 hours ago, SE16 3LN said: I'm not sure what point McDonagh is trying to make. That's no problem, I'm sure others will get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Duncan Smith on the news. His genius plan? If we don't get what we want then the £39bn and EU access to UK markets is off the table! Bless him. He probably believes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Toggie88 said: Sturgeon should go ahead and call an independence referendum. This is beyond a shambles and we potential have a parachute if we bail now, she has the mandate - this (Brextastro****) is not what people voted for in 2014. That would totally derail everything. This has to be s step by step approach. There is simply not the time, resource and man power for this now. Whatever your view on it there will be no vote because they know there can be no vote. Both parliaments, governments and civil servants working for both are flat out on Brexit work. There are 700 SIs and 4 major Acts still to get through to Brexit in March. A vote now is simply not feasible. It'd paralyze the nation and deepen this crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: That would totally derail everything. This has to be s step by step approach. There is simply not the time, resource and man power for this now. Whatever your view on it there will be no vote because they know there can be no vote. Both parliaments, governments and civil servants working for both are flat out on Brexit work. There are 700 SIs and 4 major Acts still to get through to Brexit in March. A vote now is simply not feasible. It'd paralyze the nation and deepen this crisis. Paralyze the nation from what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: That would totally derail everything. This has to be s step by step approach. There is simply not the time, resource and man power for this now. Whatever your view on it there will be no vote because they know there can be no vote. Both parliaments, governments and civil servants working for both are flat out on Brexit work. There are 700 SIs and 4 major Acts still to get through to Brexit in March. A vote now is simply not feasible. It'd paralyze the nation and deepen this crisis. No they aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Victorian said: Would love to know if that's accurate. It's true there's a story, at any rate. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46528952 Unfortunately, there are some eejits who think that Ireland should "know its place", or have some "loyalty" to the UK, or even that its interests lie with or in the UK. Here's a link to a piece I posted earlier by Bobby McDonagh, who was Ireland's ambassador to the UK from 2009-2013. McDonagh was educated at Bailliol Colege, Oxford. Before serving as Ireland's ambassador to the UK he was Ireland's Permanent Representative to the EU, and he is currently ambassador to Italy. It's a very simple to understand piece that describes how the UK has gone backwards in its capacity to understand its nearest neighbour and how to relate to it. Regrettably, the UK seems to have gone backwards in its capacity to understand any of its neighbours and how to relate to them, which is astonishing given the history of world-class political and diplomatic analysis that served the UK well over decades. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/10/priti-patel-brexit-ignorance-ireland-vote-uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 hours ago, JamboX2 said: That would totally derail everything. This has to be s step by step approach. There is simply not the time, resource and man power for this now. Whatever your view on it there will be no vote because they know there can be no vote. Both parliaments, governments and civil servants working for both are flat out on Brexit work. There are 700 SIs and 4 major Acts still to get through to Brexit in March. A vote now is simply not feasible. It'd paralyze the nation and deepen this crisis. Matron, he's out his room again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Francis Albert said: I was going to attempt a fuller critique of McDonagh's article but haven't had the time. But let me give one example. He claims that one of the misunderstandings is that the UK fails to understand that Ireland sees its future in the EU and not in the UK. It is nearly a century since anyone with half a brain or even none thought Ireland's future belonged in the UK. Aye , but people keep telling us how great it is, surely someone will come back, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 19 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Yes If Government can be brought down No confidence motion triggered!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaap's Sigh Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Leadership challenge today. Curtains for May I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Tory party in meltdown, may to face vote of confidence by her MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Will she win it though? anyone from any party will have an impossible job getting a deal with the EU that a majority of MPs agree on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 More May-hem from the Tory party and the UK government. Wake up Scotland, it's time we packed our bags. We're going to Euuuuuuroope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 8 hours ago, jake said: Paralyze the nation from what ? The UK is currently experiencing the biggest political and economic shift for decades. If not half a century. The government is pretty much doing nothing much else of note other than preparing for multiple forms of Brexit. The pound is at historic lows. There is less investment in the economy due to the uncertainty and parliament's timetable is front loaded on Brexit; look at a parliamentary calendar and it's mostly Brexit bills. Along side that are reportedly 700 secondary legislative instruments to be drafted and put before the HoC. Holyrood also has a raft of Brexit work to finalise. There is simply no resource to pass legislation, run and hold a referendum on independence. Nor is there time. Even a people's vote would be troublesome in the time alloted; although more relevant to events. To do indyref now would be to effectively crashing the nation. No country would be able to manage both such huge events at the same time. None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, ri Alban said: Matron, he's out his room again. Speaking in the third person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 8 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said: No they aren't. Most of the government is in many ways moving to Brexit preparedness work in the next month. There have been rotations of staff around the government to focus on Brexit. Trust me the priority is getting through this without blowing everything up. The idea that there's a will from either government to hold an indyref is ludicrous. If it was Sturgeon wouldn't be bothering with the current Brexit debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE16 3LN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Ulysses said: That's no problem, I'm sure others will get it. Disgraceful editing to try and score a cheap and childish point. Absolutely disgusted with you of all people. I hope you're ashamed of yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 and the SNP policies are all prepared and ready to go of course ....... what are they again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 23 hours ago, Victorian said: Leadsom criticising the speaker and questioning his impartiality. This after the government tried to conceal the legal advice, defied parliament's will to have it published and were found in contempt. Then of course wasting 3 full days of parliamentary debating time over a vote they shat out of. Yeah that's right... turn the spotlight on the speaker. That'll make people forget the arse you've made of it all. The tories hate Bercow. Creepy Hague tried to get rid of him in an appalling manner. I’m going to sit back and enjoy this Tory bun fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 May was about greetin on the steps of number 10 this morning. Shame that! More calamity from the tory party this morning. Wait, am I on the right thread here? It's hard to tell the Brexit and tory bashing thread apart these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, SE16 3LN said: Disgraceful editing to try and score a cheap and childish point. Absolutely disgusted with you of all people. I hope you're ashamed of yourself. Uly is a master of the partial quote. You got off lightly. With his replies to me recently Uly habitually edits my posts by deleting every word and inserting "[Content deleted to avoid misleading"] or some such phrase. Edited December 12, 2018 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 It's a big step from 48 letters to that arsepiece Brady to 158 votes against her. She'll probably survive the vote. Normal convention is that a leader would still be in trouble if a significant number voted against them. The number being bandied about was 100. If there was 100 or so votes against then cabinet would discuss the merits of the leader staying. If they were minded to they could pressurise the leader to resign. This particular PM and her utterly spineless cabinet will probably just horse on with her in post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Dannie Boy said: Will she win it though? anyone from any party will have an impossible job getting a deal with the EU that a majority of MPs agree on. Who says there has to be a deal? Do the Tories go baw deep with the Rees Moggs and we end up in free trade nirvana? Or do they vascilate further, leading us in circles, perhaps ending up in a second referendum? Or does Parliament take control and we end up with a GE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 12 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Maybe this is how it all went wrong We are repeatedly told by Remainers that when circumstances change it would be insane not to change your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 This is the hard Brexit takeover. Labour want this as they feel it makes them more electable due to the shit storm coming, but history shows the well intentioned left get left behind by jingoistic fervour. Buckle up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: We are repeatedly told by Remainers that when circumstances change it would be insane not to change your mind. And they have changed because we have a better idea of what Brexit means! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKongUno Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Knee jerk Nicola ranting at Corbyn to table no confidence , Jezza takes a step back and thinks for a minute before giving May the rope to hang herself. Sturgeon could learn a thing or 2 from old Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dannie Boy said: Will she win it though? anyone from any party will have an impossible job getting a deal with the EU that a majority of MPs agree on. Probably the main underlying cause of the current debacle is that MPs voted by a huge majority (85%) to hold the referendum and then a similar majority stood in a GE with a manifesto committed to Leave while knowing that there was and would not be a majority in Parliament for any deal. Ignorance, cynicism? I know where my money goes. Edited December 12, 2018 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, JimKongUno said: Knee jerk Nicola ranting at Corbyn to table no confidence , Jezza takes a step back and thinks for a minute before giving May the rope to hang herself. Sturgeon could learn a thing or 2 from old Jeremy Nicola wants No Confidence Motion she knows is likely to fail. Tories and DUP have a majority and do not want a general election. Wonder what her motives are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 minute ago, JimKongUno said: Knee jerk Nicola ranting at Corbyn to table no confidence , Jezza takes a step back and thinks for a minute before giving May the rope to hang herself. Sturgeon could learn a thing or 2 from old Jeremy I think after over 2 years "knee jerking" has passed. Jezza didnt take a "step-back". He shat it because he's spineless and he wouldnt know what to do if he got the keys to number 10. Labour needs a leader that can lead. The man stutters his speeches in Parliament. Nobody has any confidence in the man. Its a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, Boris said: And they have changed because we have a better idea of what Brexit means! We don't really, not much. It was never going to be easy or clean and we don't yet know what the relationship with the EU will be after the transition. The big change in circumstance since the piece dragged up by Channel 4 News is that the day afterwards the referendum vote was in favour of Leaving. And then there was a General Election in which both major parties campaigned with a commitment to Leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Labour are very much on an election footing. They need to separate themselves from the SNP and to win votes in Scotland and avoid losing them in England. Any perception of an alliance with the SNP (Scottish people - tail wagging the dog) is election poison for Labour. If and when an election happens, the Tories will go on the full attack about Lab-SNP coalition government to try to enrage people in England that Scotland will have too big a say. Labour know this and must avoid any perception of cooperation like the plague. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Imagine May losing the vote and Jacob Rees-Mogg leading us into hard Brexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: I think after over 2 years "knee jerking" has passed. Jezza didnt take a "step-back". He shat it because he's spineless and he wouldnt know what to do if he got the keys to number 10. I think they were right not to table it on the events of the past night. It looks as though this is giving the job of undermining the Tories a vote would not have. On the other side if May wins she must now rely on the rest of parliament and not the ERG and DUP to pass a deal. So there's a lot of capital handed to the opposition here. 45 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: Labour needs a leader that can lead. The man stutters his speeches in Parliament. Nobody has any confidence in the man. Its a shame. Agreed. Although i don't think his stuttering is much of an issue. I think it's his lack of leadership over the past few months which has done for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 May will win this vote I'm certain. Doesn't mean she will survive it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboX2 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, Victorian said: Labour are very much on an election footing. They need to separate themselves from the SNP and to win votes in Scotland and avoid losing them in England. Any perception of an alliance with the SNP (Scottish people - tail wagging the dog) is election poison for Labour. If and when an election happens, the Tories will go on the full attack about Lab-SNP coalition government to try to enrage people in England that Scotland will have too big a say. Labour know this and must avoid any perception of cooperation like the plague. A symbol of the juvenile nature of our politics. In Germany the CDU always govern in part because of Bavaria's CSU. Does that give Bavaria too much of a say? It's all nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: A symbol of the juvenile nature of our politics. In Germany the CDU always govern in part because of Bavaria's CSU. Does that give Bavaria too much of a say? It's all nonsense. Welcome to the UK. A union of equal partner nations. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, JamboX2 said: A symbol of the juvenile nature of our politics. In Germany the CDU always govern in part because of Bavaria's CSU. Does that give Bavaria too much of a say? It's all nonsense. But Germany is federal, the UK isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: May will win this vote I'm certain. Doesn't mean she will survive it though. 1/5 on to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 David Davis 'launching' a legal text of his way forward on Brexit. That should be sufficiently demented. David Cameron has the utter gall to stick his head out from under his rock to back May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) ? this is better than house of cards. In fact I can see making a great TV script in the future. Edited December 12, 2018 by AlimOzturk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Tory MPs demanding new referendum (on party leader) as circumstances have changed since 2016 Edited December 12, 2018 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, Cade said: Tory MPs demanding new referendum (on party leader) as circumstances have changed since 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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