elvoys Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Good to see they were up to speed with the Balkans in the 1990s Their abdication of duty in Rwanda was truly incredible. My instinct is multi nation bodies like EU and UN are only good at telling folk what they should do, but are crap av actually stepping up to plate come crisis time when they're actually needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 As I was saying. http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/24/armed-antifa-group-calls-for-revolution-seizing-property-and-violence-against-police/ https://farleftwatch.com/2017/08/23/armed-antifa-group-hosts-anti-police-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ulysses Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Zoooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Far right groups had also been planning a rally in San Fransisco. Local dog owners came from far and wide to let their dogs shite all over the park to create a minefield of jobbies. Parade got cancelled over public safety grounds. Best bit of non-violent, passive resistance I've ever seen. Nazis defeated by dog mess. Turd reich indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sausage Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Far right groups had also been planning a rally in San Fransisco. Local dog owners came from far and wide to let their dogs shite all over the park to create a minefield of jobbies. Parade got cancelled over public safety grounds. Best bit of non-violent, passive resistance I've ever seen. Nazis defeated by dog mess. Turd reich indeed. Assume they'll clean it up later aye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Assume they'll clean it up later aye? They should just declare each tolly to be a statue. That way, someone will find the shits offensive and remove them all. Of course, the anti-pc brigade will probably then come from far and wide to demonstrate about the need to preserve the poops. After all, they are part of history and shouldn't be removed, just because the residents don't want them in a local park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Are there any nazi statues left in Germany? Or Soviet statues in what was east Germany, or Poland? Quite right. It is taught and relics, for want of a phrase, are housed in museums, where no doubt the story and context of them is told. Likely there are such museums in the USA in respect of the civil war. But as I said, it's not about Lee per se, rather what those that venerate it stand for. IMO, of course. There is Nazi architecture at the Olympic Stadium in Berlin. Other than that I don't think so. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Far-right activists are using fake Twitter accounts and images of battered women to smear anti-fascist groups in the US, an online investigation has revealed. The online campaign is using fake Antifa (an umbrella term for anti-fascist protestors) Twitter accounts to claim anti-fascists promote physically abusing women who support US President Donald Trump or white supremacy. Researcher Eliot Higgins of website Bellingcat found evidence that the campaign is being orchestrated on internet messageboard 4Chan by far-right sympathisers. Full story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Wasn't it nice of them to invite all these pillars of virtue to a couple of quite, of the record, cosy little scrans just to let them know that they appreciate them being pillars of virtue. Published on Aug 16, 2017 FBI reopening FOIA request into Clinton-Lynch tarmac meeting. The ACLJ is reporting that the FBI is reopening its FOIA request into the Clinton-Lynch tarmac meeting. We just delivered 413 pages of documents on the clandestine Clinton-Lynch meeting to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.These documents relevant to the Committee?s ongoing oversight of former Obma Attorney General Loretta Lynch, and specifically her role in the criminal investigation of former Secretary Hillary Clinton ? were received as a result of our litigation against the Department of Justice for failing to comply with the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).In addition to the FOIA-obtained documents, we also provided the Senate Judiciary Committee a complete timeline of the most relevant communications and events that occurred after Attorney General Lynch secretly met with former President Bill Clinton on July 27, 2016, on the Phoenix Airport tarmac.This timeline and these documents include evidence of: Obama Attorney General Loretta Lynch?s alias email account; Numerous redactions, including main ?talking points,? in circumvention of FOIA; Comey-led FBI lies on the existence of requested documents; DOJ-Media collusion; A White House connection; and Revelations that Obama-loyalists are now investigating themselves.In our letter, we urged the Senate Judiciary Committee ?to thoroughly complete their oversight in order to ensure the American people that our judicial system is indeed blindly applicable to everyone.? President Trump?s attorney, Jay Sekulow, read the timeline breakdown of the Lynch-Clinton tarmac docs on his radio show Friday morning.Sekulow pointed out that upper level crisis management stepped in and responded to an email inquiry within ONE MINUTE of the news breaking that Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton met on the Phoenix tarmac in June of 2016. The internal panic is very telling. The Obama administration along with Lynch and Comey were doing everything they could to get this under control by creating talking points to deceive the public.Jay Sekulow also found an email directly connecting the Obama White House to the AG Lynch scandal. This is an incredible discovery by Sekulow and his team as they uncover more lies about this tarmac meeting. The Department of Justice caught in a barefaced, in collusion with the deep state along with the Mainstream Media, lie. Again I will say it. They have no choice but to bring everything down in what ever way they can before the first domino falls. That is why they are don't care how obvious it is because it is all out there for all to see (the list is endless) and the MSM can only keep a lid on it for so long. We are talking consequences way beyond a handful of prominent people going to prison for the rest of their life. I have said all along it would come to this if the deep state globalists were under serious threat. They are under serious threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Regarding some of the discussion about free speech in the States, this sort of thing is exactly why I like the First Amendment the way it is: Germany Raids, Shuts Down Far Left Website Linksunten.indymedia, founded in 2008, billed itself as "a weapon in the social struggle" and said it was a "decentrally organized global network of social movements." The ministry was able to move against the website because it viewed those running it as an "association," and under German law, those can be blocked for extremist activity. The platform was not accessible on Friday, and the ministry said that its goal was to shut the site permanently. Raids in the southwestern state of Baden-W?rttemberg were conducted in the early hours of Friday against several leading members and supporters of the website, the ministry said in a statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvoys Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Full story. There's your saintly antifa beating up middle aged Trump supporting bible bashers in Maoist Berkley again today. But of course, they must have swastika tattoos under their shirts and are all 'far right' or 'nazis' so they deserve it. These goons don't need anyone to 'smeer' them. Neo Marxism in its 21st century guise of the racial victimhood pyramid is far more damaging to the fabric of that country and is more widespread than neo fascism. More significantly its chipping away at the freedom which underpins all freedom (speech) is undermining the future of western civilisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 More significantly its chipping away at the freedom which underpins all freedom (speech) is undermining the future of western civilisation. There's your saintly antifa beating up middle aged Trump supporting bible bashers in Maoist Berkley again today. But of course, they must have swastika tattoos under their shirts and are all 'far right' or 'nazis' so they deserve it. These goons don't need anyone to 'smeer' them. Neo Marxism in its 21st century guise of the racial victimhood pyramid is far more damaging to the fabric of that country and is more widespread than neo fascism. More significantly its chipping away at the freedom which underpins all freedom (speech) is undermining the future of western civilisation. I know you're worried about the future of western civilisation....but I was wondering what you actually mean by that? I'm not trying to be funny, but can you explain what your perception of western civilisation is and where its "boundaries" are? For example, is a modern, thriving capitalist city-state like Singapore included as part of western civilisation - or is it something more "anglo-centric"? Does Poland belong in your view of western civilisation? How about Mexico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvoys Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I know you're worried about the future of western civilisation....but I was wondering what you actually mean by that? I'm not trying to be funny, but can you explain what your perception of western civilisation is and where its "boundaries" are? For example, is a modern, thriving capitalist city-state like Singapore included as part of western civilisation - or is it something more "anglo-centric"? Does Poland belong in your view of western civilisation? How about Mexico? Judeo Christian heritage forged through Roman law and Greek philosophy. Much of the former was developed amongst the brown North African Christians in first millenia so its not simply defined by north Europeans and where they emigrated to for me. Singapore, China and Dubai with their mega malls whilst keeping people in jail for thought crime is not western civilisation. Poland and Slavic states would be in inheritors of Eastern Orthodox civilisation and have a sense of their preservation cos of their long history of being 'slaves' and recent history of the attempt at Sovietisation. But again, post cold war they are considered 'western' now by many. In terms of origins and constitutions Latin America could be defined as the west but their cultures have been shaped quite differently and their institutions constant failing to protect their own people suggests that western principles are shallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Judeo Christian heritage forged through Roman law and Greek philosophy. Much of the former was developed amongst the brown North African Christians in first millenia so its not simply defined by north Europeans and where they emigrated to for me. Singapore, China and Dubai with their mega malls whilst keeping people in jail for thought crime is not western civilisation. Poland and Slavic states would be in inheritors of Eastern Orthodox civilisation and have a sense of their preservation cos of their long history of being 'slaves' and recent history of the attempt at Sovietisation. But again, post cold war they are considered 'western' now by many. In terms of origins and constitutions Latin America could be defined as the west but their cultures have been shaped quite differently and their institutions constant failing to protect their own people suggests that western principles are shallow. OK......I kind of see where you're coming from but it doesn't really make it clearer for me. I think "western civilisation" is a concept, rather than something tangible. I also think that "western civilisation" as a concept has evolved and transformed over time, including and incorporating new cultures, traditions, foods, languages, scientific knowledge, technologies, etc. That is one of the beauties of the concept. We adapt, we change, we incorporate new ideas into the way we view the world. I am an atheist. I happen to think that religion is one of the biggest dangers to "western civilisation", but I know that many other people think that the loss of Christianity is one of the biggest dangers to our "western civilisation". I think it is a wonderful thing that people can hold diametrically opposed views about things like religion, but can still understand a concept of western civilisation. I have to admit though, that I don't think "western civilisation" is actually under threat from anyone. How we view it now is clearly different even from our grandparents would have viewed it, let alone people in the 17th century. I think we will continue to adapt and evolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Full story. I could post page after page of proof, just from yesterday, where all you need are the eyes in your head to tell you what antifa are. Do you stick your fingers in your ears, shut your eyes and hum a happy tune when it's not from the MSM? Are you that in need of a safe space? Help me out here, I'm not getting it. Did you not see this before you posted your link? As I was saying. http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/24/armed-antifa-group-calls-for-revolution-seizing-property-and-violence-against-police/ https://farleftwatch.com/2017/08/23/armed-antifa-group-hosts-anti-police-workshop/ What's your take on the police standing down once again yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 This is an excellent post. As far as I can see Elvoy's Western Civilisation extends to area of the Globe where Britain wiped out the indigenous people and set up new Britain. No matter where you go in the world you find there is generally more that people are the same as you rather then different, so talking about the destruction of Western Culture is just scaremongering and best ignored. Where exactly did that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Far right groups had also been planning a rally in San Fransisco. Local dog owners came from far and wide to let their dogs shite all over the park to create a minefield of jobbies. Parade got cancelled over public safety grounds. Best bit of non-violent, passive resistance I've ever seen. Nazis defeated by dog mess. Turd reich indeed. Got a link to that? Looked at the examiner and another local paper and so nothing about the dog owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Far right groups had also been planning a rally in San Fransisco. Local dog owners came from far and wide to let their dogs shite all over the park to create a minefield of jobbies. Parade got cancelled over public safety grounds. Best bit of non-violent, passive resistance I've ever seen. Nazis defeated by dog mess. Turd reich indeed. That's the left for you! Take over, leave the place a mess then leave it for everyone else to clear up their shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Not sure how local dog owners can come from "far and wide " either. That would make them not,erm, local- but people drafted in to create a mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 choosing I pay no attention whatsoever to anything that you post. I have better things to do than read a load of drooling mouthed conspiracy nonsense. If my username hadn't caught my eye as I frantically pressed the 'pgdn' button to get past your post I would have been oblivious to the fact that you had quoted me. I read this forum as I am genuinely interested in the opinions expressed by certain other posters. You are not one of those people. Safe space it is then. Sad. Meanwhile, for others that can see beyond a smokescreen to what that smokescreen is there to cover up, I will show just one of the multitude of things, all showing the corruption that is rife within the deep state, that the American people are getting and the rest of the world is not. If anyone thinks America has not woken up to this and much more they are mistaken. Anyone that doesn't take into consideration that Trump is the duly elected President, voted in by the American people, are missing an integral part of the equation. They are being given no choice but to pick a side whilst seeing the above and thugs dressed in black with their faces covered claiming to be anarchists and communists while doing what they are doing. The American MSM have shot their bolt and have shot themselves. The American people are seeing right through them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Safe space it is then. Sad. My previous post was over the top and for that I apologise. I have asked a mod to delete the post as it is too late for me to edit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Far right groups had also been planning a rally in San Fransisco. Local dog owners came from far and wide to let their dogs shite all over the park to create a minefield of jobbies. Parade got cancelled over public safety grounds. Best bit of non-violent, passive resistance I've ever seen. Nazis defeated by dog mess. Turd reich indeed. Even better is this utter trolling of Neo Nazis marches in a German town called Wunsiedel , they not only humiliate these neo nazis but also raise money for their anti fascist organisations when doing so. ?In the small town in Germany where the Nazi leader Rudolf Hess was born, every year right-wing activists have been showing up to commemorate his birthday. Counter marches didn?t stop them". ?What really got them was when people organised to sponsor donations on their behalf, treating their march like an AIDS walk. For every metre marched, there would be 10 Euros donated to anti-racist organisations. People turned it into kind of a sports event as they showed up with music and banners cheering the fascists on like ?thank you for marching for racial justice? and updating with bullhorns how much money the fascists marching had already raised.? This German town has come up with a genius way of humiliating neo-Nazis Is this the best possible way to deal with them? SHORTLIST.COM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 That's the left for you! Take over, leave the place a mess then leave it for everyone else to clear up their shit Anyone who pissses off nazis.fascits and rascits and stops there vile marches has my vote, typical far right neo cons though when they try buffering out the fascist elements within their ranks ,but that's the far right for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 That's the left for you! Take over, leave the place a mess then leave it for everyone else to clear up their shit Speaking of which, I suppose we should let the free market come in and take care of Tropical Storm Harvey in Texas. In seriousness, the dog owners cleaned up afterwards, so your post looks doubly silly in light of that and the fact that leftist, socialist government policy will be at the forefront of the disaster relief in Houston and the surrounding areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Speaking of which, I suppose we should let the free market come in and take care of Tropical Storm Harvey in Texas. In seriousness, the dog owners cleaned up afterwards, so your post looks doubly silly in light of that and the fact that leftist, socialist government policy will be at the forefront of the disaster relief in Houston and the surrounding areas. Surely its the free market that seeks to return things to functioning and profitable ASAP- no? The left would be too busy offering counselling, ECO homes and turf roofed wigwams to home the survivors whilst holding concerts to raise awareness I jest of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 The first amendment (free speech) is under attack on all fronts by the deep state, all directed at anyone that speaks out against them. Here is another way they are doing it and it is disgusting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRuzg0sRoRU Some may have come across the name Southern Poverty Law Center when George Clooney told us he was giving them one million dollars to fight hate groups right after Charlottesville (I like it when they out themselves like that). Others will have come across them when looking into George Soros (yep, him again). Nice sounding name is it not. Southern Poverty law Center. All is not as it seems at first glance. We are witnessing a coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 The first amendment (free speech) is under attack fronts by the deep state, all directed at anyone that speaks out against them. Here is another way they are doing it and it is disgusting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRuzg0sRoRU Some may have come across the name Southern Poverty Law Center when George Clooney told us he was giving them one million dollars to fight hate groups right after Charlottesville (I like it when they out themselves like that). Others will have come across them when looking into George Soros (yep, him again). Nice sounding name is it not. Southern Poverty law Center. All is not as it seems at first glance. We are witnessing a coup. Whilst I suspect you are a bit "no right" as they would say, that is kind of how I see it There is a large body of people circumventing the democratic process to bring down the elected head using propaganda and civil disobedience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Whilst I suspect you are a bit "no right" as they would say, that is kind of how I see it There is a large body of people circumventing the democratic process to bring down the elected head using propaganda and civil disobedience. People on here that know me will be having a bit of a giggle at that. The first line that is. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 The first amendment (free speech) is under attack on all fronts by the deep state, all directed at anyone that speaks out against them. Here is another way they are doing it and it is disgusting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRuzg0sRoRU Some may have come across the name Southern Poverty Law Center when George Clooney told us he was giving them one million dollars to fight hate groups right after Charlottesville (I like it when they out themselves like that). Others will have come across them when looking into George Soros (yep, him again). Nice sounding name is it not. Southern Poverty law Center. All is not as it seems at first glance. We are witnessing a coup. Geez when do you go back to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Geez when do you go back to work. The more these debates go on, the more the extremists out themselves. You might as well leave them to their hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Surely its the free market that seeks to return things to functioning and profitable ASAP- no? The left would be too busy offering counselling, ECO homes and turf roofed wigwams to home the survivors whilst holding concerts to raise awareness I jest of course Heh heh. Obviously the "free" market is great to have around once we've gotten everything back to (somewhat) normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Fake nooz https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/neo-nazi-stabbing-fake-colorado-joshua-witt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Fake nooz https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/neo-nazi-stabbing-fake-colorado-joshua-witt Sums up those ****wits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Remember this below? No? I posted this when it came out. Did nobody look? This is just one prong of a many pronged coup that is going on. Again I will say it. Trump is the duly elected President of the United States of America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Edinburgh's own memorial to a member of the Confederacy http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/entertainment/edinburgh-s-little-known-confederate-memorial-and-why-it-must-stay-1-4547413 Which got me thinking, and maybe one of our resident Americans would be able to answer, or someone else in the know. Are there actually any memorial kind of statues of Confederate Officers/Soldiers, not ones being used to push a far right agenda, but that do, or did get used for the sole purpose of remembrance, i'm thinking along the lines of our own Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Edinburgh's own memorial to a member of the Confederacy http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/entertainment/edinburgh-s-little-known-confederate-memorial-and-why-it-must-stay-1-4547413 Which got me thinking, and maybe one of our resident Americans would be able to answer, or someone else in the know. Are there actually any memorial kind of statues of Confederate Officers/Soldiers, not ones being used to push a far right agenda, but that do, or did get used for the sole purpose of remembrance, i'm thinking along the lines of our own Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? Yes there are. There are tons of Confederate monuments and markers all over the place and many are to veterans. There is a Tomb of the Unknown Confederate Soldier in Biloxi, Mississippi, that was built in the early 80s after the remains of a Confederate soldier were found over 100 years after the war ended. Arizona was technically part of the Confederacy in the Civil War (though a territory at the time, not a state). With one exception all of the monuments here have been built in the last 20 years, and the exception is part of a larger state park that has nothing to do with the Civil War. It doesn't make any sense why these monuments have just started popping up, but people are weird, and arguably have regressive intentions. Three monuments are to Arizona Confederate veterans. One is of Jefferson Davis, and I just found out while researching this, has been recently tarred and feathered. And one, the one that is part of the state park, marks the Battle of Picacho Pass, the only Civil War battle that occurred within Arizona--it's the only one I personally feel has any real historical value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 So the MSM and anyone from the deep state (including many globalist Republicans, which is pretty much all of them) that could find a microphone and camera told everyone that Trump is a Nazi and a white supremacists for blaming both sides at Charlottesville. Now, after the weekend where they could not hide or deflect from the wall to wall coverage on the internet, they are saying antifa are not good guys. There has been no mention of Trump getting it right from his first tweets while it was going on ( yep, they lied about Trump taking to long to say anything about it as well) as well as everything he said from then on about it. They will do as they always do and leave the Nazi white supremacist out there and not mention, at all, that Trump has been vindicated. Americans are seeing this. Others, such as the MSM believers around the world, are not. This place is testament to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deesidejambo Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 So the MSM and anyone from the deep state (including many globalist Republicans, which is pretty much all of them) that could find a microphone and camera told everyone that Trump is a Nazi and a white supremacists for blaming both sides at Charlottesville. Now, after the weekend where they could not hide or deflect from the wall to wall coverage on the internet, they are saying antifa are not good guys. There has been no mention of Trump getting it right from his first tweets while it was going on ( yep, they lied about Trump taking to long to say anything about it as well) as well as everything he said from then on about it. They will do as they always do and leave the Nazi white supremacist out there and not mention, at all, that Trump has been vindicated. Americans are seeing this. Others, such as the MSM believers around the world, are not. This place is testament to that. I don't get what you are on about. Explain more simple language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Murray Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Yes there are. There are tons of Confederate monuments and markers all over the place and many are to veterans. There is a Tomb of the Unknown Confederate Soldier in Biloxi, Mississippi, that was built in the early 80s after the remains of a Confederate soldier were found over 100 years after the war ended. Arizona was technically part of the Confederacy in the Civil War (though a territory at the time, not a state). With one exception all of the monuments here have been built in the last 20 years, and the exception is part of a larger state park that has nothing to do with the Civil War. It doesn't make any sense why these monuments have just started popping up, but people are weird, and arguably have regressive intentions. Three monuments are to Arizona Confederate veterans. One is of Jefferson Davis, and I just found out while researching this, has been recently tarred and feathered. And one, the one that is part of the state park, marks the Battle of Picacho Pass, the only Civil War battle that occurred within Arizona--it's the only one I personally feel has any real historical value. Cheers for taking the time to answer Justin. It seems to have all went quiet over here in the news regarding statues and such, concentrating quite rightly on the devastation of Hurricane Harvey. I came across this little clip regarding the Confederate Flag, from author and historian Shelby Foote, who wrote the acclaimed documentary Civil War. Not too sure from how long ago it is, Foote died in 2005, so quite a while ago anyway. What it does show, to me anyway, is that the whole Confederate/Statue/Slavery situation has been going on a lot, lot longer than before the recent demo. I always got the impression, when watching Civil War and listening to Foote's dulcit tones, that he was always sympathetic to the Confederate cause, and was definitely of the mindset that the Civil War was not, ultimately about slavery. For every Shelby Foote though, you have a Leon F. Litwack and more, who will argue that it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Just to lighten up the thread a bit, here's my favourite Shelby Foote civil war story: A young Union soldier was brought before Ulysses S. Grant charged with a major offense. The soldier was trembling like a leaf. Grant saw the trembling and said, "No need to be afraid, son. You'll get justice in this court." And the soldier replied, "That's what I'm afraid of!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 As I said, They are beyond the pale. Michael Moore ? @MMFlint Here's what it looks like now in Trump's America. The authoritarian police state he so loves is now everywhere. Please watch this video. https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/903651927656775680 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 So the MSM and anyone from the deep state (including many globalist Republicans, which is pretty much all of them) that could find a microphone and camera told everyone that Trump is a Nazi and a white supremacists for blaming both sides at Charlottesville. Now, after the weekend where they could not hide or deflect from the wall to wall coverage on the internet, they are saying antifa are not good guys. There has been no mention of Trump getting it right from his first tweets while it was going on ( yep, they lied about Trump taking to long to say anything about it as well) as well as everything he said from then on about it. They will do as they always do and leave the Nazi white supremacist out there and not mention, at all, that Trump has been vindicated. Americans are seeing this. Others, such as the MSM believers around the world, are not. This place is testament to that. It seems ''deep state'' is your new buzz term. Why do you continually tell us that ''Americans know this'', ''Americans see this''? I've had Americans read your stuff, intelligent people. Not one had a clue what the **** you were on about. The small parts they were able to decipher they did not agree with. I await the usual ''shill'' or ''sheeple'' attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niblick1874 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 It seems ''deep state'' is your new buzz term. Why do you continually tell us that ''Americans know this'', ''Americans see this''? I've had Americans read your stuff, intelligent people. Not one had a clue what the **** you were on about. The small parts they were able to decipher they did not agree with. I await the usual ''shill'' or ''sheeple'' attack. That's just creepy. I understand that you are confused easily (claiming your first game watching Hearts was against Morton in 83 when we didn't play them in 83). Are you sure you're not asking yourself in the mirror when thinking it's your "American friends"? As for the deep state thing, you are right. I should be adding the shadow government in there as well but I am trying to keep it simple for the likes of you. Maybe next time you can have your friends come on here and ask me what the **** I am on about as you don't seem able to do so yourself without passing it by them. As I said, just creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 That's just creepy. I understand that you are confused easily (claiming your first game watching Hearts was against Morton in 83 when we didn't play them in 83). Are you sure you're not asking yourself in the mirror when thinking it's your "American friends"? As for the deep state thing, you are right. I should be adding the shadow government in there as well but I am trying to keep it simple for the likes of you. Maybe next time you can have your friends come on here and ask me what the **** I am on about as you don't seem able to do so yourself without passing it by them. As I said, just creepy. Aye, I was out a year from an event 33 years ago. Shame on me. As for the rest of your post, complete gibberish as per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Nibs calling someone creepy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frum Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 That's just creepy. I understand that you are confused easily (claiming your first game watching Hearts was against Morton in 83 when we didn't play them in 83). Are you sure you're not asking yourself in the mirror when thinking it's your "American friends"? As for the deep state thing, you are right. I should be adding the shadow government in there as well but I am trying to keep it simple for the likes of you. Maybe next time you can have your friends come on here and ask me what the **** I am on about as you don't seem able to do so yourself without passing it by them. As I said, just creepy. Well I'm not confused easily. I'm absolutely certain that you spout some amount of single fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 .....complete gibberish..... Well, knowledgeable perception is the foundation of precious silence, but their web of misdirection quiets the light of destiny. The unpredictable arises and subsides in unsolved mysteries, but solvable, when people experience a jumble of boundaries. When government is a formless void it is beyond unparalleled fulfillment, their need for orderliness fears irrational forces. Information and misinformation regulate timeless forms of subjectivity, so hidden meaning projects onto a cacophony of observations. Their movement relies on essential action, and inaction, and confusion and repression of paths to opportunities. Emotional intelligence tells you non-judgment is impossible faced with the continuity of easily visible facts. The sociopolitical universe corresponds to personal success, and everyone's ego forms the barriers of truth. But we can change it, if informed innocence imparts reality to new choices and the will of the people is reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge of Djoum Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Well, knowledgeable perception is the foundation of precious silence, but their web of misdirection quiets the light of destiny. The unpredictable arises and subsides in unsolved mysteries, but solvable, when people experience a jumble of boundaries. When government is a formless void it is beyond unparalleled fulfillment, their need for orderliness fears irrational forces. Information and misinformation regulate timeless forms of subjectivity, so hidden meaning projects onto a cacophony of observations. Their movement relies on essential action, and inaction, and confusion and repression of paths to opportunities. Emotional intelligence tells you non-judgment is impossible faced with the continuity of easily visible facts. The sociopolitical universe corresponds to personal success, and everyone's ego forms the barriers of truth. But we can change it, if informed innocence imparts reality to new choices and the will of the people is reborn. I agree completely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I agree completely! Thanks, though in fairness what I said was more or less a symbolic representation of an easily observable and readily identifiable external reality. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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