Entire high rise alight in London

[Jambo-Jimbo]

They are all to be tested. Of those that have been tested, so far , only a few are an issue. That's my understanding of the news at 16.00.

 

7 Tower Blocks now in 4 different council area's (17:00 on Sky News), not entirely sure if that figure includes the 5 within the Camden Council area which are to have their cladding removed.

I suspect it is not because the cladding on the Camden Tower Blocks whilst being flammable has a different insulation that is made out of Rock Wool which is much more fire resistant than the stuff used on the Grenfell Tower. 

 

[Cade]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/22/government-backed-red-tape-group-eu-fire-safety-rules-grenfell-fire

 

 

Trying to tear up H&S red tape, putting lives at risk in order to boost profits.

 

 

[269miles]

7 Tower Blocks now in 4 different council area's (17:00 on Sky News), not entirely sure if that figure includes the 5 within the Camden Council area which are to have their cladding removed.

I suspect it is not because the cladding on the Camden Tower Blocks whilst being flammable has a different insulation that is made out of Rock Wool which is much more fire resistant than the stuff used on the Grenfell Tower. 

 

Camden council leader confirmed it is the outer material that they are now removing as it is flammable. The inner material is the more expensive rock wool type insulation and is of the better/higher spec. The council leader seemed to be suggesting that the flammable outer material is not what they paid for.  I'd like to see that interview again.

 

C4 news saying that in Plymouth there are 3 tower blocks which are being modified now - the outer cladding is being removed AND incredibly the stair wells aren't even "closed" and so are being boarded up. They are partially open to the elements because of the brickwork design. 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Camden council leader confirmed it is the outer material that they are now removing as it is flammable. The inner material is the more expensive rock wool type insulation and is of the better/higher spec. The council leader seemed to be suggesting that the flammable outer material is not what they paid for.  I'd like to see that interview again.

 

C4 news saying that in Plymouth there are 3 tower blocks which are being modified now - the outer cladding is being removed AND incredibly the stair wells aren't even "closed" and so are being boarded up. They are partially open to the elements because of the brickwork design. 

 

Oh she didn't just suggest it, she came straight out and said it, that the cladding wasn't what they thought it was.

 

Here is one small video of the council leader saying that they (the council) thought that it was fire-proof cladding that was being installed.

http://news.sky.com/story/government-tests-on-tower-blocks-reveal-combustible-cladding-10923147

There are other interviews with her but I can't find any online as yet.

 

[felix]

Camden council leader confirmed it is the outer material that they are now removing as it is flammable. The inner material is the more expensive rock wool type insulation and is of the better/higher spec. The council leader seemed to be suggesting that the flammable outer material is not what they paid for.  I'd like to see that interview again.

 

C4 news saying that in Plymouth there are 3 tower blocks which are being modified now - the outer cladding is being removed AND incredibly the stair wells aren't even "closed" and so are being boarded up. They are partially open to the elements because of the brickwork design. 

Thought the inner material was PIR foam - see post #604 - and not Rockwool .

Did council leader confirm this ?  Makes a big difference if true .

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Thought the inner material was PIR foam - see post #604 - and not Rockwool .

Did council leader confirm this ?  Makes a big difference if true .

 

It's Camden Council's Tower Blocks which have the Rock Wool insulation, whilst Kensington Council had the PIR foam insulation in the Grenfell Tower Block.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Camden council leader confirmed it is the outer material that they are now removing as it is flammable. The inner material is the more expensive rock wool type insulation and is of the better/higher spec. The council leader seemed to be suggesting that the flammable outer material is not what they paid for.  I'd like to see that interview again.

 

C4 news saying that in Plymouth there are 3 tower blocks which are being modified now - the outer cladding is being removed AND incredibly the stair wells aren't even "closed" and so are being boarded up. They are partially open to the elements because of the brickwork design. 

 

Now 11 Tower Blocks in 8 different Council area's which have been found to have combustible cladding.

 

And that number is only going to rise I'd imagine.

[felix]

It's Camden Council's Tower Blocks which have the Rock Wool insulation, whilst Kensington Council had the PIR foam insulation in the Grenfell Tower Block.

Thanks JJ

 

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[Jambo-Jimbo]

Premier Inn saying that they are "Extremely Concerned" about the cladding on 3 of it's hotels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-40376599/premier-inn-urgently-reviews-cladding

 

This is rapidly turning out to be a national problem involving public housing & now business buildings.

 

[Cade]

Police say that the cladding and insulation in Grenell failed fire safety tests done on surviving panels.

 

Manslaughter charges on the way.

[Don Dan]

Police: we are looking at all charges including manslaughter, and all firms involved

The full extent of failings behind the Grenfell Tower inferno was laid bare today as police revealed that a fire started by a faulty fridge-freezer ignited cladding and insulation that have not passed new safety tests.

Scotland Yard issued an alert over materials used on the west London tower after samples caught light easily during new independent checks.

Officials were so concerned at the findings that the information was immediately shared with the Government. It has alerted councils.

The tests on insulation samples taken from the tower were carried out by experts employed by Scotland Yard, which is carrying out a criminal investigation into how the fire started and why it took hold so easily.

Today police also said they will consider manslaughter charges as part of their investigation. Officers have started seizing relevant documents from various organisations.

The Met said officials had established that the blaze started in a Hotpoint fridge-freezer.

A fridge fire is believed to have broken out on the fourth floor of the North Kensington block last week.

At least 79 people are feared to have died.

Police said the fridge-freezer, FF175BP, had not previously been linked to any fires or subject to any recall.

Detective Superintendent Fiona McCormack, who is overseeing the investigation, said early tests had been carried out on the cladding and insulation installed on Grenfell Tower during a recent ?10 million refit.

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She said: "What we are being told is that the cladding and the insulation failed all safety tests.

"The insulation was more flammable than the cladding. Tests show the insulation samples combusted soon after the test started.

"We have immediately shared the data with the Department for Communities and Local Government. (It is) sharing the information with local councils."

Ms McCormack said the investigation "will seek to establish how the fire started and how quickly it took hold - the speed was unexpected.

We will also seek to understand what happened to each and every person who died in the fire."

Previously, police said they would examine everything from the cause of the fire to the management of the building, recent refurbishments and fire safety measures and whether panels were fitted unlawfully.

Celotex, an Ipswich-based company, has said it made the insulation which fitted between the cladding and the concrete wall of the tower.

The firm said the product had Class 0 rating, which prevented flames from spreading and limited the amount of heat released.

Police said the number of people who had died or were missing and presumed dead remained at 79, a figure which has not changed since Monday.

However, Ms McCormack said the figure could still change and urged anyone who might have been in the tower and had not yet contacted the authorities to come forward.

She said neither the Home Office nor her inquiry were interested in the immigration status of anyone living there.

"Our priority is to identify all those who died - we do not want there to be any hidden victims," she added.

A total of 250 officers led by an experienced homicide detective are working on the inquiry.

Prosecutors are advising on possible corporate manslaughter charges.

Ms McCormack said officers had begun seizing documents from organisations involved but that nobody had been questioned because it is "way too early".

She said charges of manslaughter and other criminal breaches, including potential breaches of regulations, would be considered.

So far, police have seized hundreds of hours of CCTV, listened to 600 999 calls and started taking statements from survivors. Officers are continuing a "painstaking search" of the tower.

In recent days concern has focused on the cladding panels fitted to the tower during the multi-million-pound refurbishment.

So far, the Government has received samples from 11 high-rise buildings in eight local authority areas in the UK where the cladding has failed safety tests, including a number in London.

Premier Inn also revealed "concerns" today that cladding used on some of its buildings may not meet safety regulations. The hotel chain said three of its properties - in Maidenhead, Brentford and Tottenham - have been investigated during a "detailed assessment" of its estate.

A spokeswoman said the material was not the same as that used to clad Grenfell Tower. However, she said the company had called in an expert to review the safety of its buildings, who had confirmed they were safe.

David Lammy, the Labour MP for Tottenham whose artist friend Khadija Saye died in the fire, has said issues relating to sprinklers, fire doors and the cladding should be investigated. He has asked why arrests are not being made.

Residential blocks in Barnet, Brent, Haringey, and Newham are understood to have cladding similar to Grenfell's. But the problem may be far wider, with the safety spotlight shifting on to schools, hospitals, students accommodation, hotels and office blocks.

Samples of cladding were taken yesterday in Barnet where three blocks - Granville Point, Harpenmead Point and Templemead Point - are fitted with external rain screen panels of aluminium composite material.

They are believed to be the same type, or similar, to cladding on tower blocks in Camden which the council has already started removing. The insulation behind the cladding on the social housing blocks in Camden and Barnet is understood to be non-combustible.

In Haringey, the Newlon Housing Trust confirmed that its 22-storey Rivers Apartments block, completed in spring 2015, is clad with Reynobond PE.

The building has a sprinkler system and other fire safety measures.

The London Fire Brigade carried out an extensive audit yesterday, making some "straightforward recommendations".

A Newlon spokesman said: "With regard to the status of the cladding, at the end of last week we asked the leading independent experts the Building Research Establishment to review its design and specification and we are waiting for their technical recommendations."

Brent North Labour MP Barry Gardiner hand-delivered a letter to Octavia Housing at 3am today after being informed by Brent council's chief executive, Carolyn Downes, that cladding on Elizabeth House, High Road, Wembley, "failed" a fire safety test.

This morning, Grahame Hindes, chief executive of Octavia Housing, said: "The safety of our residents is always our top priority.

"We were therefore very disappointed to hear this morning that some of the panels on one of our recently completed schemes in Wembley do not meet the highest standards expected by the Building Research Establishment."

He stressed that Elizabeth House is a modern purpose-built block with a comprehensive fire strategy and a range of fire safety features including sprinklers in all flats.

Councils around the country have sent off cladding samples from tower blocks to undergo testing, including in Sheffield, Halifax and Salford.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Breaking News.

 

Camden Council is to evacuate an entire tower block immediately, some 161 families.

 

The council leader is to give a press briefing shortly, the speculation is that one of it's tower blocks contains flammable insulation.

 

http://news.sky.com/story/camden-evacuates-tower-block-after-grenfell-fire-10925449

 

[Victorian]

There's definitely a wider picture to be looked at now regarding safety standards and regulation in this country. There is this current scandal of sub-standard cladding. Is it any wonder that unsafe materials can be found to have been used when there was so much contradiction regarding whether or not it was banned?

 

Whether individuals or organisations are ultimately blamed after the inquiry remains to be seen but there's a wider decline / complacency on a cultural and social level. I think this disaster is just the inevitable symptom of a long existing cancer within governmental and institutional care. A lethal brew of too many people and organisations taking their eye off the ball and allowing negligent and reckless decision making to infect what should be a society with multiple safeguards against what we've seen.

 

Let's face it... people will eventually take the piss and put lives at risk if they're not regulated correctly or if the law is not stringent enough. Even good people and organisations will fall foul of declining standards if the system itself is allowed to go into a malaise.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Update.

 

All 5 Tower Blocks on the Chalcots Estate are to be evacuated tonight.

 

800 households are being moved.

 

Georgia Gould the council leader didn't go into specific details as to what new information has come to light today, following a safety review by the London Fire Brigade today. 

 

But something has obviously came to light today to prompt the council leader to say that she can't guarantee the safety of the residents.

[milky_26]

Breaking News.

 

Camden Council is to evacuate an entire tower block immediately, some 161 families.

 

The council leader is to give a press briefing shortly, the speculation is that one of it's tower blocks contains flammable insulation.

 

http://news.sky.com/story/camden-evacuates-tower-block-after-grenfell-fire-10925449

its now 5 block in camden affecting around 800 homes

[Victorian]

That's an astonishing scale of operation.

[Don Dan]

I'm assuming they have somewhere for them all to go!!?

Edited June 23, 2017 by Dannie Boy

[Victorian]

People being told to take their essentials and go go a sports centre. 4 weeks being mentioned. People refusing to go. I don't blame them. Could be chaos.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

There's definitely a wider picture to be looked at now regarding safety standards and regulation in this country. There is this current scandal of sub-standard cladding. Is it any wonder that unsafe materials can be found to have been used when there was so much contradiction regarding whether or not it was banned?

 

Whether individuals or organisations are ultimately blamed after the inquiry remains to be seen but there's a wider decline / complacency on a cultural and social level. I think this disaster is just the inevitable symptom of a long existing cancer within governmental and institutional care. A lethal brew of too many people and organisations taking their eye off the ball and allowing negligent and reckless decision making to infect what should be a society with multiple safeguards against what we've seen.

 

Let's face it... people will eventually take the piss and put lives at risk if they're not regulated correctly or if the law is not stringent enough. Even good people and organisations will fall foul of declining standards if the system itself is allowed to go into a malaise.

 

When fire-safety experts can't give a definitive and clear answer as to what the regulations actually mean, then you know you have a very serious problem.

 

It may well be a case that you have the original fire regulation and then it's amended and then another amendment comes out which contradicts the original regulation, and then another amendment contradicts the first or second amendment and before long nobody knows WTF is going on.

 

As has been mentioned numerous times, it often takes a tragedy for these sort of things to be exposed and something done about it.

[The Real Maroonblood]

I'm assuming they have somewhere for them all to go!!?

The royal family must have a few spare rooms.

[Cade]

There is estimated to be 1500 empty homes in Kensington alone, and tens of thousands across the capital.

 

Rich people buy them then just let them lay empty as house prices rise, only to sell them on again after 5 years at a profit.

Then the new owner lets it lay empty whilst prices rise....and so on.

People have gotten inside some of these places and they're absolutely falling down as nobody's lived in them for years but the house price seems unaffected by the rotting interior.

 

It's an absolute scandal when there is a national housing crisis and millions of homes up and down the nation being used as so-called "land banks" which provide a profit without ever being occupied.

 

In some areas of the nation, a person will be earning less than the increase in value of their house price every year.  The escalator is totally out of control and we've seen time and time again where house bubbles lead us.

[The Real Maroonblood]

There is estimated to be 1500 empty homes in Kensington alone, and tens of thousands across the capital.

 

Rich people buy them then just let them lay empty as house prices rise, only to sell them on again after 5 years at a profit.

Then the new owner lets it lay empty whilst prices rise....and so on.

People have gotten inside some of these places and they're absolutely falling down as nobody's lived in them for years but the house price seems unaffected by the rotting interior.

 

It's an absolute scandal when there is a national housing crisis and millions of homes up and down the nation being used as so-called "land banks" which provide a profit without ever being occupied.

 

In some areas of the nation, a person will be earning less than the increase in value of their house price every year.  The escalator is totally out of control and we've seen time and time again where house bubbles lead us.

A sad indictment of this country.

[hueyview]

There is estimated to be 1500 empty homes in Kensington alone, and tens of thousands across the capital.

 

Rich people buy them then just let them lay empty as house prices rise, only to sell them on again after 5 years at a profit.

Then the new owner lets it lay empty whilst prices rise....and so on.

People have gotten inside some of these places and they're absolutely falling down as nobody's lived in them for years but the house price seems unaffected by the rotting interior.

 

It's an absolute scandal when there is a national housing crisis and millions of homes up and down the nation being used as so-called "land banks" which provide a profit without ever being occupied.

 

In some areas of the nation, a person will be earning less than the increase in value of their house price every year.  The escalator is totally out of control and we've seen time and time again where house bubbles lead us.

Totally agree.. Its a sin folk sleeping in doorways of holdings empty for months...

[hueyview]

Looks like 800 flats, 4000 folk decanted from their flats in Camden.....

 

Not sure where they are to go....

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Couple of folks on Sky News this morning who are painting a pretty depressing and alarming picture of the UK's building industry.

 

I'm not a builder so I don't know if what they are saying is true or not, however they are basically saying that due to de-regulation, corners being cut, bad practises and all these sort of things, that this is just the tip of the iceberg, there are millions of unsafe homes and buildings all over the UK, not just involving cladding or insulation, but exposed gas pipes, shoddy wiring and just all manner of other safety rules and practices being ignored.

 

As said I don't know if all of this is true, but the Camden blocks evacuated last night wasn't just the cladding it was also due to exposed gas pipes in peoples houses and I'm sure I heard about another tower block which didn't have fire doors or something like that.

 

It is looking like this has been going on for many years now and somehow things which should be getting picked up and fixed, just aren't.

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

Couple of folks on Sky News this morning who are painting a pretty depressing and alarming picture of the UK's building industry.

 

I'm not a builder so I don't know if what they are saying is true or not, however they are basically saying that due to de-regulation, corners being cut, bad practises and all these sort of things, that this is just the tip of the iceberg, there are millions of unsafe homes and buildings all over the UK, not just involving cladding or insulation, but exposed gas pipes, shoddy wiring and just all manner of other safety rules and practices being ignored.

 

As said I don't know if all of this is true, but the Camden blocks evacuated last night wasn't just the cladding it was also due to exposed gas pipes in peoples houses and I'm sure I heard about another tower block which didn't have fire doors or something like that.

 

It is looking like this has been going on for many years now and somehow things which should be getting picked up and fixed, just aren't.

I know this is minor but it backs up what these people are saying about the building industry in general.

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/164366-taylor-wimpey/

[Jambo-Jimbo]

27 Tower Blocks in 15 Local Authority Area's have now failed Government Commissioned Fire Safety Checks.

 

It's a Nationwide scandal now.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

I know this is minor but it backs up what these people are saying about the building industry in general.

http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/164366-taylor-wimpey/

 

Remember reading some of that thread.

One of the guys on the TV this morning said that it's been getting worse over the last 15 years whilst the other guy was on about that things have been going downhill since the 80's.

 

Just glad my house is close on 100 years old.

[maroonlegions]

So its beginning  to look like that this tragedy  was avoidable and happened because of a mixture of failings from local councils/ministers ,,(ignoring advice and concerns from local residents and fire safety experts), and cost cutting austerity measures and the present inadequate fire safety regulations. 

 

Height restrictions diversions  on when this cladding cannot be used is even more of a cop out, as shown below.

 

Man slaughter charges for those responsible are being considered by the police,  if those involved are found liable .

 

Interesting to note  here that if indeed such charges are brought to those responsible will  it also apply to  those who are "guilty by association "..???

 

Grenfell Tower - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower

1.  

Grenfell Tower is a 24-storey apartment block in North Kensington, London, England. ... The *67.30-metre* (*220 ft 10 in*) tall building contained 120 one- and ...

 

 

 

Then this .

 

The cladding was installed to improve insulation, ventilation, and to improve the block?s appearance, according to planning documents. This type of cladding is banned in the US (paywall) on buildings taller than *12.2m* for fire safety reasons. Though the cladding conforms to UK standards, it is classed as ?flammable? in Germany.

 

link;  

 

The catastrophic consequences of being poor in one of London?s richest neighborhoods

The building was home to over 400 people.

QZ.COM

 

 

[maroonlegions]

Another fire.

 

I read some of the comments on the Yahoo home page about this..sickened me to the stomach..most of them saying its immigrants wanting to upgrade to a posher house .  yeah, sure..endanger yourself and others for that! typical Tory Scum reading james hunts.

 

 Fire will happen unfortunately. It's a terrible part of life. But scaremongering about every fire, particularly in London at present time, is heightening people's anxiety and is disrespectful to the people of Grenfell. It's car crash mentality that the Express is reporting here.

 

 

BREAKING: Huge clouds of smoke over east London as firefighters battle housing block blaze

EXPRESS.CO.UK

 

 

[Cade]

ALL 34 high rise blocks with cladding have failed fire safety tests so far, with hundreds more towers to check.

 

This is a nationwide scandal.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

ALL 34 high rise blocks with cladding have failed fire safety tests so far, with hundreds more towers to check.

 

This is a nationwide scandal.

 

Yip every single one which has been tested so far has failed.

 

This is just the tip of the iceberg if you believe what some of the 'experts' were saying yesterday, and that was that building regulations in the UK are not fit for purpose, there is so many corners being cut and rules and regulations being ignored or being so confusing that even Einstein would have a hard job understanding them.

 

I'd hazard a guess that this won't just be Tower Blocks either.

 

Whose to blame?  How many years do you want to go back, as one 'expert' said yesterday, he's been warning about the regulations since the 1980's and it's taken until now for anybody to sit up and take notice.

[Don Dan]

Yip every single one which has been tested so far has failed.

 

This is just the tip of the iceberg if you believe what some of the 'experts' were saying yesterday, and that was that building regulations in the UK are not fit for purpose, there is so many corners being cut and rules and regulations being ignored or being so confusing that even Einstein would have a hard job understanding them.

 

I'd hazard a guess that this won't just be Tower Blocks either.

 

Whose to blame?  How many years do you want to go back, as one 'expert' said yesterday, he's been warning about the regulations since the 1980's and it's taken until now for anybody to sit up and take notice.

"I'd hazard a guess that this won't just be Tower Blocks either."

 

 

 

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/housing/housing-advice/home-heat-loss/home-insulation/cavity-wall-insulation#material

 

2. Polystyrene beads or granules

 

Polystyrene beads may be supplied loose or in a light sticky resin to hold them together. Polystyrene granules will stick together of their own accord due to their rough shape. Both types of material are blown into the cavity using compressed air. Again, both types of materials are covered by British Board of Agrement (BBA) certificates.

 

 

How many homes have had these blown into the cavity? Are they a fire hazard? Should they be classed as a fire hazard? Don't know at the moment.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

"I'd hazard a guess that this won't just be Tower Blocks either."

 

 

 

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/housing/housing-advice/home-heat-loss/home-insulation/cavity-wall-insulation#material

 

2. Polystyrene beads or granules

 

Polystyrene beads may be supplied loose or in a light sticky resin to hold them together. Polystyrene granules will stick together of their own accord due to their rough shape. Both types of material are blown into the cavity using compressed air. Again, both types of materials are covered by British Board of Agrement (BBA) certificates.

 

 

How many homes have had these blown into the cavity? Are they a fire hazard? Should they be classed as a fire hazard? Don't know at the moment.

 

Exactly, can the public now trust any of the safety checks which have been carried out prior to the Grenfell Fire?

 

Are Fire-Safety Certificates even worth the paper they are printed on now? 

These 34 Tower Blocks were passed as safe, now they have failed, I'd imagine by using the same fire safety checks that they had previously passed.

 

One of the 'experts' yesterday was asked this very question and replied by saying, who is carrying out the checks, what are their qualifications and more to the point who is checking the checkers.

He added it's not that long ago every council had a 'Clerk of Works' who signed off every bit of work carried out by the council, they basically checked the checkers, they and the Building Officers generally made sure that all the regulations were adhered to.

How many council's still have a 'Clerk of Works' this guy seemed to believe very few still had this particular job now.

[felix]

Yip every single one which has been tested so far has failed.

 

This is just the tip of the iceberg if you believe what some of the 'experts' were saying yesterday, and that was that building regulations in the UK are not fit for purpose, there is so many corners being cut and rules and regulations being ignored or being so confusing that even Einstein would have a hard job understanding them.

 

I'd hazard a guess that this won't just be Tower Blocks either.

 

Whose to blame?  How many years do you want to go back, as one 'expert' said yesterday, he's been warning about the regulations since the 1980's and it's taken until now for anybody to sit up and take notice.

Just to repeat - Building Regulations aren't UK based - they're devolved in Scotland .

 

The Scottish Government conduct regular reviews . The UK government for some reason,  put off reviewing the English Regs. Effectively this  means Scottish Regulations on Fire safety are more onerous (and better) than those down south.

 

The over-cladding on Grenfell Tower would not get through the Scottish system.

[maroonlegions]

Grim reading corporate manslaughter charges seem inevitable.

 

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN19F05M

 

Arconic knowingly supplied flammable panels for use in London tower: emails[/url][/font][/size][/font]

Six emails sent by and to an Arconic Inc (ARNC.N) sales manager raise questions about why the company supplied combustible cladding to a distributor for use at Grenfell Tower, despite publicly warning such panels were a fire risk for tall buildings.

REUTERS.COM

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[Jambo-Jimbo]

Now 60 Tower Blocks in 25 Local Authority Area's have failed the new safety test.

 

It's only going to keep on rising.

 

[John Findlay]

 

 

It's only going to keep on rising.

Nice pun that :-0)

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Nice pun that :-0)

 

Oops never realised that.

[Space Mackerel]

Never mind, all good, resigning Council chief gets 6 figure pay off.

 

http://expressdigest.com/ousted-kensington-council-boss-gets-100000-payoff/

[Don Dan]

and what about this lady?

 

Emma Dent Coad was elected to Conservative-controlled Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council in 2006, representing Golborne ward.[5] She served as a council-appointed board member of Kensington and Chelsea TMO, the tenant management organisation which manages the council's housing stock, from 27 June 2008 to 31 October 2012.[6][7][8] In 2013/4 she was a member of the council's Housing and Property Scrutiny Committee.[9][10] She has been a member of the council's Planning Applications Committee since May 2013, and a member of the main Planning Committee since June 2014.[11] She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.[12]

 

She was elected the Member of Parliament (MP) for Kensington in the 2017 general election when she defeated the Conservative MP Victoria Borwick with a majority of 20, overturning a 7,020 majority.[13] The announcement was made at around 9pm on 9 June 2017, after three recounts, hours after hours after all other constituencies.

 

In June 2017, Dent Coad blamed the Kensington and Chelsea council for failings which led to the Grenfell Tower fire.[15]

 

 

Despite having been involved heavily in various aspects of housing and London Fire and Safety Planning Authority. What input did she have if any in scrutinising what was going on in her time at the Council?

 

 

Edit. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labours-new-kensington-mp-was-on-housing-scrutiny-committee-a3566661.html

 

The blame appears to lie across all parties. No one or party is squeaky clean on this one.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Dannie Boy

[Cade]

Exactly, this is a systemic failure over 30+ years involving all political parties.

 

The Tories are coming under fire because they are in power and have spent 7 years ruthlessly ripping up health&safety red tape and very recently voted against forcing landlords to provide a basic level of habitation fit for human occupation.

[Space Mackerel]

and what about this lady?

 

Emma Dent Coad was elected to Conservative-controlled Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council in 2006, representing Golborne ward.[5] She served as a council-appointed board member of Kensington and Chelsea TMO, the tenant management organisation which manages the council's housing stock, from 27 June 2008 to 31 October 2012.[6][7][8] In 2013/4 she was a member of the council's Housing and Property Scrutiny Committee.[9][10] She has been a member of the council's Planning Applications Committee since May 2013, and a member of the main Planning Committee since June 2014.[11] She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.[12]

 

She was elected the Member of Parliament (MP) for Kensington in the 2017 general election when she defeated the Conservative MP Victoria Borwick with a majority of 20, overturning a 7,020 majority.[13] The announcement was made at around 9pm on 9 June 2017, after three recounts, hours after hours after all other constituencies.

 

In June 2017, Dent Coad blamed the Kensington and Chelsea council for failings which led to the Grenfell Tower fire.[15]

 

 

Despite having been involved heavily in various aspects of housing and London Fire and Safety Planning Authority. What input did she have if any in scrutinising what was going on in her time at the Council?

 

 

Edit. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labours-new-kensington-mp-was-on-housing-scrutiny-committee-a3566661.html

 

The blame appears to lie across all parties. No one or party is squeaky clean on this one.

Any chance you could pick out the loads of Tory MP's that didn't want further intrusiveness into private landlord Bills?

[Don Dan]

Any chance you could pick out the loads of Tory MP's that didn't want further intrusiveness into private landlord Bills?

I'm sure there are plenty. Read my post properly and you'll see I included all parties. However that doesn't suit your agenda.

IMO if their wrong their wrong and need in this instance punished. This particular Newly elected Labour MP is escaping any criticism in the main stream media, so far.

 

 

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[Space Mackerel]

I'm sure there are plenty. Read my post properly and you'll see I included all parties. However that doesn't suit your agenda.

IMO if their wrong their wrong and need in this instance punished. This particular Newly elected Labour MP is escaping any criticism in the main stream media, so far.

 

 

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You're sure that there are plenty, but, dismiss it.

 

"punished" what you going to do? send them off with cheese n crackers aye?

[Don Dan]

You're sure that there are plenty, but, dismiss it.

 

"punished" what you going to do? send them off with cheese n crackers aye?

Dismiss!! You're a muppet if you don't understand my post. It's no wonder I choose to ignore you. (In the main) go away and read Wings or something else unintelligent.

 

 

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[Space Mackerel]

Dismiss!! You're a muppet if you don't understand my post. It's no wonder I choose to ignore you. (In the main) go away and read Wings or something else unintelligent.

 

 

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Plenty time to make auld folk open up their brains and different ways of thinking. It's the future, the youngsters are more than halfway right now. Corbyn has half a chance of stopping Scottish Independence if he plays his cards right.

[Sexton Hardcastle]

Could be some interesting developments in Edinburgh this week in regards to this situation.

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[Rab87]

Could be some interesting developments in Edinburgh this week in regards to this situation.

Do you know something?

[Cade]

ALL 95 high rise towers tested nationwide have now failed fire safety tests.

 

Treeza is ordering a full inquiry. (I think it will find that ripping up red tape is the cause)