graygo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, bobskeldon said: Anyone who watched CP up here and knew anything about fitba, could have written that article a long time ago. Yet, a few people (inc me) were ridiculed on here for not knowing anything about fitba for suggesting that he would never be an EPL player! That wasn't the only reason you get ridiculed for not knowing anything about fitba on here. It's because you spraff shite on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Barack said: For all the talk of stats, Arter, Ralls & Reid, arent exactly catapulting Cardiff into the top 8, at the minute. He was a standout last season, but he's naturally going to suffer, if his team can't score, can't defend, & will be almost relegated by Christmas. Paterson will end up doing just fine in his career, & will still generate transfer-fee's & sell-on fee's for us. Look at Steven Fletcher, Barry Bannon & Ross McCormack, as 3 examples of mediocrity that've went for daft money down there. Doesn't make you an oracle, Bob. Interesting that you choose 3 players who are all very good technically, please tell me that you are not suggesting that CP is as good technically as Fletcher, Bannan or McCormack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, graygo said: That wasn't the only reason you get ridiculed for not knowing anything about fitba on here. It's because you spraff shite on a regular basis. Yet another intelligent contribution to the debate. Edited October 1, 2018 by bobskeldon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Paterson will be fine. Cardiff as a team are struggling to find their feet in the epl, it's not down to him. He got them there in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Paterson will be fine. Cardiff as a team are struggling to find their feet in the epl, it's not down to him. He got them there in the first place. Ask yourself if Cardiff are relegated, will CP on the basis of his appearances this season and stats like this, be a target for an EPL club? I think you know the answer. Edited October 1, 2018 by bobskeldon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, bobskeldon said: Ask yourself if Cardiff are relegated, will CP on the basis of his appearances this season and stats like this, be a target for an EPL club? I think you know the answer. I'd be willing to bet that by the end of the season he will have improved those stats in the article (which tbh are shan since he's played less minutes than those other guys) and yeah I think he'll stay in the epl one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcjambo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 If he's having problems adjusting there that suggest a failure of coaching because he has all the attributes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Paterson is not technically gifted enough to play central midfield in the EPL. He will do a job at right mid through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: I'd be willing to bet that by the end of the season he will have improved those stats in the article (which tbh are shan since he's played less minutes than those other guys) and yeah I think he'll stay in the epl one way or another. You do realise that these stats are percentages? Therefore, they are relative to minutes played! Player A plays every game, makes 100 passes in total and completes 100% of them Player B only plays every third game, makes 33 passes but only completes 50% of them Player A completes twice as many passes as Player B regardless of how often they have played and how many passes the make! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, tcjambo said: If he's having problems adjusting there that suggest a failure of coaching because he has all the attributes. Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, bobskeldon said: Interesting that you choose 3 players who are all very good technically, please tell me that you are not suggesting that CP is as good technically as Fletcher, Bannan or McCormack? Paterson has a better goal scoring record than the technically gifted striker, Steven Fletcher, since going south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 46 minutes ago, bobskeldon said: You do realise that these stats are percentages? Therefore, they are relative to minutes played! Player A plays every game, makes 100 passes in total and completes 100% of them Player B only plays every third game, makes 33 passes but only completes 50% of them Player A completes twice as many passes as Player B regardless of how often they have played and how many passes the make! Do you think it's easier or harder to build up these impressive and vital stats when playing less? If he played every minute of every game the percentages would be higher, he's largely been coming off the bench in the first 7 games of his first season in the most physically demanding league in the world playing a position he'd never played until about 9 months ago and folk are giving him shit over his pass completion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Do you think it's easier or harder to build up these impressive and vital stats when playing less? If he played every minute of every game the percentages would be higher, he's largely been coming off the bench in the first 7 games of his first season in the most physically demanding league in the world playing a position he'd never played until about 9 months ago and folk are giving him shit over his pass completion Conjecture! Neither you nor I can say whether the percentages would be higher due to more game time OR for that matter lower! Let's just deal with the facts, compared to all of his team mates playing in similar roles, his stats are very poor! Edited October 1, 2018 by bobskeldon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 If CP with all his physical / athletic attributes can't get a game in a Neil Warnock side, it speaks volumes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Disappointing he has not been included in Scotland squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Most wins of aerial duals in any EPL game in 14 years: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/ex-hearts-star-callum-paterson-posts-incredible-stat-in-epl-match-1-4807792 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Barack said: Also: Paterson has a better assist ratio in terms of games (4) compared to Bannan (22). 22 assists & 10 goals in over 7 years. For this attacking technically gifted player, called Barry Bannan. But...he's got an 80%+ pass rate. So that's him over Paterson any day. Funny how stats are selective for the angle a person wishes to attack from. is that Barry Bannan's assist/goals stat for 7 years?? What an absolute Championship level diddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, bobskeldon said: Anyone who watched CP up here and knew anything about fitba, could have written that article a long time ago. Yet, a few people (inc me) were ridiculed on here for not knowing anything about fitba for suggesting that he would never be an EPL player! And yet, there he is playing in the EPL. Shows you do indeed know ****-all. Edited October 1, 2018 by SUTOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairyinthat Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 The person out of his depth in the EPL is Warnock I'm afraid and it is impacting on his players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, SUTOL said: And yet, there he is playing in the EPL. Shows you do indeed know ****-all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Callum Paterson became the first player since the 2003/04 season to win 23 aerial duels in a single English Premier League game.Read more at: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/ex-hearts-star-callum-paterson-posts-incredible-stat-in-epl-match-1-4807792 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVB Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Thought Paterson played well and Cardiff played well. They got sucker punched twice and lost. If I was the manager and my team put as much effort in and lost it wouldn’t be the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, Barack said: PASS STATISTICS. That's what justifies critique. Not that nonsense, mate. Sorry mate..............didn't mean to upset you....? ............!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Dallas Green said: Pretty scathing article. I get the feeling it was written from researching OPTA rather than actually having seen him play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Spellczech said: I get the feeling it was written from researching OPTA rather than actually having seen him play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I would have to side more with Bob here I'm afraid. Calum can come up with moments of class, but even with ourselves, nobody really knew his best position. The stats here don't lie, he is a player who will struggle in a very technical league. If ever there was a game to fit his profile it was most likely yesterday. He will be back in the Championship where he can thrive. His strength is his enthusiasm and energy to find the ball, but the physical side of it, he is just an ordinary specimen in the EPL. If the boy McKenna goes down there similarly he will be found out, but for his awareness. Curtis Main ran rings round him, some of those guys, he wont see which way they went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, Barack said: Oh, not me, my good man. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Attack dogs out in force here I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Watch motd highlights and the commentator was impressed enough about CP's aerial ability that he kept mentioning it. Mentioning it in an asounded and totally impressed manner This doesnt make a great player, but he certainly getting noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1986 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 That estimated £1.5m fee from any sell on will be lucky to be £450,000 imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Statistically 100% of the time, statistics can be made to say whatever you want! Pass completion is great but is it split down to which third of the pitch? Is a defensive midfielder with 90% pass completion where they are all 5 yard sideways passes (al la Barry ferguson) as effective as someone with 50% pass completion where each successful pass moved the ball 20-30 yards into the attacking third? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, Ribble said: Statistically 100% of the time, statistics can be made to say whatever you want! Pass completion is great but is it split down to which third of the pitch? Is a defensive midfielder with 90% pass completion where they are all 5 yard sideways passes (al la Barry ferguson) as effective as someone with 50% pass completion where each successful pass moved the ball 20-30 yards into the attacking third? Statistics are like mini-skirts .. they give you good ideas but hide the most important parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, milky_26 said: Statistics are like mini-skirts .. they give you good ideas but hide the most important parts. Thank you Ebbe Skovdahl (sp) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscott82 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 hours ago, SUTOL said: And yet, there he is playing in the EPL. Shows you do indeed know ****-all. That right there is the most important post on the entire thread. Spot on, Sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscott82 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) Dp Edited October 1, 2018 by andyscott82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 hours ago, bobskeldon said: Anyone who watched CP up here and knew anything about fitba, could have written that article a long time ago. Yet, a few people (inc me) were ridiculed on here for not knowing anything about fitba for suggesting that he would never be an EPL player! He is an EPL player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chong Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 6 hours ago, bobskeldon said: Interesting that you choose 3 players who are all very good technically, please tell me that you are not suggesting that CP is as good technically as Fletcher, Bannan or McCormack? Alan Hutton £9m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chong said: Alan Hutton £9m Grant Hanley £6m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark M Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Cardiff are rank rotten. There have been some woeful sides down the years. Big Micks SAFC and Davies Derby spring to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Not saying this analysis amounts to much but it will be quite something if eventually Paterson gets moved to target man and it turns out that Gary Locke had it right all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Any prem player with a good championship record will start at around £7-10m. £10m is like a free transfer or nominal fee up here. Bog standard. shite players regularly move between clubs for upwards of this, guys that have very little top team experience or guys that have done well for a season, if that go for daft money. However, the situation I dreaded most in regards to him is happening, he'd be better at a top/ mid level championship team playing well as opposed to a team that is going to be defending most of the time and taking more of a doing than Katie Price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 What we really needed was Cardiff not to have got promoted and Callum playing the every week in the championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 hours ago, EastSideJambo said: Attack dogs out in force here I see That's twice you come out with this shite today that I can see. If someone posts an opinion and several people reply with a different viewpoint it is not necessarily a pack mentality or ganging up. Are we not allowed to comment if someone else has already done so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) Cardiff are going to be in a relegation scrap this season so CP seems like a good asset to have on your side in that situation if used properly - totally committed, great in the air, has a goal threat. I still think he's best as a RWB and can play at RB with good defenders next to him. He's played against good players in Scotland in that position. He did it in the Championship in midfield, but playing him there in the EPL is hanging him out to dry. It's like Demi with us, he'd never be played as a winger in the EPL but against SPFL defenders he can do it. Edited October 1, 2018 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 54 minutes ago, graygo said: That's twice you come out with this shite today that I can see. If someone posts an opinion and several people reply with a different viewpoint it is not necessarily a pack mentality or ganging up. Are we not allowed to comment if someone else has already done so? Opposing views will always exist and understandably so. That's life isn't it At times it appears as though it goes further than that on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, EastSideJambo said: Opposing views will always exist and understandably so. That's life isn't it At times it appears as though it goes further than that on here That's the nature of a fans forum, when your viewpoint goes against what the majority think then it will probably feel like you are being rounded on but that's not to say that it is orchestrated. If it was, then we would have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scnorthedinburgh Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 He sees himself as a centre half long term. And I think that is here he will end up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 hours ago, EastSideJambo said: Attack dogs out in force here I see Thats a very interesting way to word that iv seen that on here before somewhere. Thinking around the time Djoum got injured.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideJambo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 46 minutes ago, sadj said: Thats a very interesting way to word that iv seen that on here before somewhere. Thinking around the time Djoum got injured.... Sorry I've no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, sadj said: Thats a very interesting way to word that iv seen that on here before somewhere. Thinking around the time Djoum got injured.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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