Space Mackerel Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) Can't disagree with Ruth on that. Would rather it was on local issues. But them boom - indyref2 was announced. Meanwhile, Frank Ross is telling us he leads Edinburgh's "only party". No one is talking about local policies. It's a blight on all of them Spacey and a sign of how bad Scottish politics has gotten. I've actually seen plenty social media posts from SNP MSP's, MP's etc all saying vote to the what you think is right for yourself and locally. I'll be honest, haven't seen one mentioning indy2. Plenty from SNP supporters though. On the other hand... Edited April 16, 2017 by Space Mackerel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonJambo Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) I think you're now getting the jist why we want to get away from Westminster rule with the above post. It's nice to have these options given the circumstances. No, SOME of you want to get away from Westminster. it may well build to a majority one day. However, frustrating as Westminster is, Holyrood is far from perfect either. Over 100 MSPs, all on over ?60 grand a year plus expenses plus a nice cushy pension building up and they haven't passed any new legislation in over a year. The whole shebang must cost well over 10 million quid a year or run. It wouldn't matter what party I supported but I'd be FURIOUS about that and so should everyone else be with the whole bunch of them, regardless of Party. No new legislation is a disgrace for any Parliament and it begs the question, "what's the point of it?". At the moment it's just an expensive talking shop. Edited April 17, 2017 by SwindonJambo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 I was going to vote according to the manifestos of the local candidates but seeing as Labour and the Torys are supposedly making this to be a referendum on a referendum, they will not be getting my vote. They'll be ranked last. Both need to grow up, it's embarrassing canvassing from the pair. Why are you going to rank them at all? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 No, SOME of you want to get away from Westminster. it may well build to a majority one day. However, frustrating as Westminster is, Holyrood is far from perfect either. Over 100 MSPs, all on over ?60 grand a year plus expenses plus a nice cushy pension building up and they haven't passed any new legislation in over a year. The whole shebang must cost well over 10 million quid a year or run. It wouldn't matter what party I supported but I'd be FURIOUS about that and so should everyone else be with the whole bunch of them, regardless of Party. No new legislation is a disgrace for any Parliament and it begs the question, "what's the point of it?". At the moment it's just an expensive talking shop. I'm not defending either parliament here but MPs are just as entitled to work expenses as the rest of us. It's the abuse of the system that should be rightly scorned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radio Ga Ga Posted April 17, 2017 No, SOME of you want to get away from Westminster. it may well build to a majority one day. However, frustrating as Westminster is, Holyrood is far from perfect either. Over 100 MSPs, all on over ?60 grand a year plus expenses plus a nice cushy pension building up and they haven't passed any new legislation in over a year. The whole shebang must cost well over 10 million quid a year or run. It wouldn't matter what party I supported but I'd be FURIOUS about that and so should everyone else be with the whole bunch of them, regardless of Party. No new legislation is a disgrace for any Parliament and it begs the question, "what's the point of it?". At the moment it's just an expensive talking shop. The running costs of the Scottish Assembly at Holyrood is ?500,000 PER WEEK! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radio Ga Ga Posted April 17, 2017 Why are you going to rank them at all? Should be 1, 2, 3 anyone bar the SNP (and the wee Snatzs the Greens) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 Should be 1, 2, 3 anyone bar the SNP (and the wee Snatzs the Greens) The SNP certainly won't be ranked on my ballot paper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trapper John McIntyre Posted April 17, 2017 The SNP certainly won't be ranked on my ballot paper. The SNP are rank full stop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aussieh Posted April 17, 2017 I actually think that Jeremy Corbyn isn't that bad a choice down South given the MSM bias that's been adopted since he took the reigns over at Labour, there's definitely an agenda set against him in tv and the usual print media., it's pretty obvious. He's probably the only decent left winger that can resurrect Labour up here, Kezia is an utter disaster, some saying SLAB are on 14% now. He's an arse, power has turned his head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 Another yin caught using foul language and racism on social media [emoji849] Is that 8 now? Whit they like eh? https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/407101/tory-candidate-apologises-for-facebook-posts/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aussieh Posted April 17, 2017 Another yin caught using foul language and racism on social media [emoji849] Is that 8 now? Whit they like eh? https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/407101/tory-candidate-apologises-for-facebook-posts/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Add Fergus Mackenzie. And Murdo Fraser(Wants people to vote UKIP before The Saviours of Scotland) How desperate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 Add Fergus Mackenzie. And Murdo Fraser(Wants people to vote UKIP before The Saviours of Scotland) How desperate. This Murdo Fraser? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aussieh Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Another yin caught using foul language and racism on social media [emoji849] Is that 8 now? Whit they like eh? https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/407101/tory-candidate-apologises-for-facebook-posts/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Here Mack, did you see Trapper and The Shedditte Onionists in Wishaw at the weekend? Edited April 17, 2017 by aussieh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trapper John McIntyre Posted April 17, 2017 Here Mack, did you see Trapper and The Shedditte Onionists in Wishaw at the weekend? https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/15/scottish-independence-voting-intention-no-57-yes-4/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aussieh Posted April 17, 2017 https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/03/15/scottish-independence-voting-intention-no-57-yes-4/Pre brexit. And?How's the rape clause Trapper? Oh imagine voting Tory, that's worse than voting no. Have a shower. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonJambo Posted April 17, 2017 The running costs of the Scottish Assembly at Holyrood is ?500,000 PER WEEK! So 26 million quid of taxpayers money a year and no new legislation passed in over a year. That is an absolutely shameful embarrassment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aussieh Posted April 17, 2017 So 26 million quid of taxpayers money a year and no new legislation passed in over a year. That is an absolutely shameful embarrassment.Don't worry there'll be plenty in 2 year time. The Great UK repeal bill being the first of many. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Findlay Posted April 17, 2017 That means nothing. The party in Scotland is fully autonomous. Reforms have happened to that effect. They still take their lead from London and always will. SLAB has to divorce UKLAB or it will fall into oblivion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamboX2 Posted April 17, 2017 Don't worry there'll be plenty in 2 year time. The Great UK repeal bill being the first of many. Nah. Really won't be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 So 26 million quid of taxpayers money a year and no new legislation passed in over a year. That is an absolutely shameful embarrassment. I wonder what the Red Arrows cost per annum? https://twitter.com/edinburghpaper/status/853941369441832961 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 I wonder what the Red Arrows cost per annum? https://twitter.com/edinburghpaper/status/853941369441832961 ?9m. What are your thoughts on no legislation being passed at Holyrood in such a long time Macks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 ?9m. What are your thoughts on no legislation being passed at Holyrood in such a long time Macks? Thought you Torys weren't a fan of big Government interference anyways? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 Thought you Torys weren't a fan of big Government interference anyways? They should probably be doing something though eh? Even just a little bit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 They should probably be doing something though eh? Even just a little bit? $33 million a jet. How many is there? 16 or something? Most the parliaments time is taken up fixing the shite legislation sent up from down South. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 $33 million a jet. How many is there? 16 or something? Most the parliaments time is taken up fixing the shite legislation sent up from down South. Examples pleeeeease. Also, where the feck are you getting $33m per jet per year from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 Examples pleeeeease. Also, where the feck are you getting $33m per jet per year from? http://planes.axlegeeks.com/l/169/BAE-Hawk-Advanced-Jet-Trainer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) http://planes.axlegeeks.com/l/169/BAE-Hawk-Advanced-Jet-TrainerThey replacing them every year like? We probably don't want to go down the route of initial price when the original discussion was around Holyrood costs...... Edited April 17, 2017 by Arnold Rothstein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 They replacing them every year like? We probably don't want to go down the route of initial price when the original discussion was around Holyrood costs...... Who was the party who oversaw that? And the PFI schools and hospitals? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Who was the party who oversaw that? And the PFI schools and hospitals? I couldn't care less which party oversaw it tbh. How's that list of Holyrood fixing shite legislation from big bad Westminster coming along? Edited April 17, 2017 by Arnold Rothstein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thunderstruck Posted April 17, 2017 Who was the party who oversaw that? And the PFI schools and hospitals? The SNP promised to replace PFI/PPP with a scheme based on issuing bonds. Care to explain whether that sales pitch turned into action and, if not, how the ongoing NHS and education projects are funded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 Murdo picking a fight with the CoS now. What an absolute total roaster. https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/853577382703312896 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 I couldn't care less which party oversaw it tbh. How's that list of Holyrood fixing shite legislation from big bad Westminster coming along? Oi Spacey. ^^^^^^^ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maroonlegions Posted April 17, 2017 The attack on disabled benefits and those unfit for work through illness is immoral. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redm Posted April 17, 2017 Murdo picking a fight with the CoS now. What an absolute total roaster. https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/853577382703312896 What's his issue with Church leadership?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 Oi Spacey. ^^^^^^^ I believe there are plans afoot to repeal the age that state benefit should be payed till after your 67th birthday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 What's his issue with Church leadership?? It's not Christian enough according to the Sevco supporter. :-/ If you follow the thread down, the CoS in response just linked the message sent by the Moderator. Even they find him tiresome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boris Posted April 17, 2017 So 26 million quid of taxpayers money a year and no new legislation passed in over a year. That is an absolutely shameful embarrassment. I don't understand this. There has been one act passed 2017, the budget. In 2016 there were roughly 23 Asps passed. Does this mean they were all passed by April 2016? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 Can't disagree with Ruth on that. Would rather it was on local issues. But them boom - indyref2 was announced. Meanwhile, Frank Ross is telling us he leads Edinburgh's "only party". No one is talking about local policies. It's a blight on all of them Spacey and a sign of how bad Scottish politics has gotten. So SLAB want the SNP to win now? What a mess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 I believe there are plans afoot to repeal the age that state benefit should be payed till after your 67th birthday. That's it? So they've not yet fixed any "shite legislation from down south" then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 That's it? So they've not yet fixed any "shite legislation from down south" then? What laws would you like to see introduced? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 What laws would you like to see introduced? So you were wrong then aye? Not sure why that's relevant? I elect representatives to make decisions on laws (in theory). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 So you were wrong then aye? Not sure why that's relevant? I elect representatives to make decisions on laws (in theory). It's your own self to keep up with what goes on in the Scottish Parliament, I'm not going to sit here and spoon feed you for your daft trolling points. Plenty info out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 It's your own self to keep up with what goes on in the Scottish Parliament, I'm not going to sit here and spoon feed you for your daft trolling points. Plenty info out there. You've got nothing mate; other than a real issue with sentence structure and a constant inability to back up the points you make on here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Space Mackerel Posted April 17, 2017 You've got nothing mate; other than a real issue with sentence structure and a constant inability to back up the points you make on here. More Tory pish But the Tory hopeful who's been deselected is Scottish and British [emoji23][emoji23] Give up sonny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arnold Rothstein Posted April 17, 2017 More Space Fish pish But the Tory hopeful who's been deselected is Scottish and British [emoji23][emoji23] Give up sonny. FTFY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamboX2 Posted April 17, 2017 So SLAB want the SNP to win now? What a mess. Send a message for them to improve local services by not voting for them to give them a shock to get back to governing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boris Posted April 17, 2017 Send a message for them to improve local services by not voting for them to give them a shock to get back to governing. Isn't it councils who provide local services? Sorry, just being a wee bit facetious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boris Posted April 17, 2017 I just wish labour would attack the Tories a bit more. That's their natural language, but they seem incapable of doing so. Do that, then chip away at the SNP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 17, 2017 I just wish labour would attack the Tories a bit more. That's their natural language, but they seem incapable of doing so. Do that, then chip away at the SNP. They're hardly fighting the Conservatives for their core vote. SNP on the other hand....Well that's the home of the mid to hard left now and of course where most of your party has defected to in Scotland. Possibly because of fat Eck's promise/lie that he could end Conservative rule in Scotland. How's that working out for your party? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boris Posted April 17, 2017 They're hardly fighting the Conservatives for their core vote. SNP on the other hand....Well that's the home of the mid to hard left now and of course where most of your party has defected to in Scotland. Possibly because of fat Eck's promise/lie that he could end Conservative rule in Scotland. How's that working out for your party? My party? You flatter me... Given the Tories are just above labour due to their fixation with a referendum, it's probable that the swing to them to make them so feebly second is down to labour defections. Labour should be reminding these people what they are siding with. They should be talking policy, not getting derailed by referendum talk. Ignore it, would be my advice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
