Even More SNP Nonsense

[Pans Jambo]

32 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

Salmond could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and the nationalists would still support him. Sound familiar? 
 

 

Support him how? He's not even an SNP MP anymore. He's just a TV host now. Plenty of them "touched womens legs".

[moogsy]

2 hours ago, hughesie27 said:

What are the chances any of these allegations can actually be proven assuming there is no CCTV or other evidence outside of the allegations?

In Scots law the Moorov doctrine applies. 
 

If you have more than one complainer speaking to the same or similar Modus Operandi by the perpetrator then that in itself can be used as corroboration and each individual allegation does not need any corroborative evidence such as witnesses or CCTV.

 

The fact that there are 10 separate complainers in this case all speaking to similar things gives a pretty strong basis for the Moorov doctrine being applied for a successful prosecution. 

Edited November 21, 2019 by moogsy

[jack D and coke]

13 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Support him how? He's not even an SNP MP anymore. He's just a TV host now. Plenty of them "touched womens legs".

I honestly coulddnt care less if he’s guilty or not and neither does anyone else who isn’t in that mad unionist cult. 
Salmond has to worry about it, nobody else. 
 

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, jack D and coke said:

I honestly coulddnt care less if he’s guilty or not and neither does anyone else who isn’t in that mad unionist cult. 
Salmond has to worry about it, nobody else. 
 

Agreed.

Only reason its been mentioned on here by that slavering British Nationalist is for points scoring purposes.

 

"Salmond's a beast"

"Oh right you are, my vote is going to the Conservatives this year then"

 

Aye Right!

[jack D and coke]

4 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Agreed.

Only reason its been mentioned on here by that slavering British Nationalist is for points scoring purposes.

 

"Salmond's a beast"

"Oh right you are, my vote is going to the Conservatives this year then"

 

Aye Right!

 

[Ron Burgundy]

If found guilty he will become the same type of poster boy for the SNP as Jimmy Savile is for the Tories.

 

 

[TheOak88]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I’m pretty sceptical if I’m being totally honest. 
Im really not that bothered either. 
It reads like pretty much any other unionist garbage spouted by tripper. I dread to think how excited he’s getting over this tbh, the mind truly boggles. 
Sexually assaulted by touching her on the leg? Is this sexual assault? I’ve been molested, I’ve been raped and violated on dozens of occasions by women then. I’m sure most of us have worn a kilt. What a load of absolute shite  
Intended to rape?! Wtf does that even mean? Did he rape her? Honestly that’s an embarrassing charge sheet. Grasping at straws is the only way to describe it. 
Tbh I’d always got the impression Salmond was possibly a bit fruity so it’s a major surprise to see these. 
There won’t be a person alive who hasn’t experienced some of these things. Calling it sexual assault and attempted and intended rape? 
LOL


 

 

No offence, but I think that’s a pretty insensitive post TBH. LOL’ing at attempted rape? Has KB turned into 4chan or something

[Des Lynam]

42 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Support him how? He's not even an SNP MP anymore. He's just a TV host now. Plenty of them "touched womens legs".

 

21 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Agreed.

Only reason its been mentioned on here by that slavering British Nationalist is for points scoring purposes.

 

"Salmond's a beast"

"Oh right you are, my vote is going to the Conservatives this year then"

 

Aye Right!

Not defending him but engaging in whatabootery. I’m not a unionist either as they are just as bad. The fact Salmond is facing court is no surprise as rumours have been about for years. The press had no chance in revealing any of this. 
 

A one party state is dangerous. 

[Roxy Hearts]

Who would have thought that the timing for the Salmond hearing would be during an election period! How I loathe the British state. 

 

If he's guilty, get him done. Still voting SNP.

[Des Lynam]

3 minutes ago, Brian Dundas said:

Give it a rest, the SNP face re-election every five years, more often if you include Westminster. They are winning just now, but that will not last for ever. Was it a one party state when Labour were winning every election?

Yes. 

[Pans Jambo]

23 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

 

Not defending him but engaging in whatabootery. I’m not a unionist either as they are just as bad. The fact Salmond is facing court is no surprise as rumours have been about for years. The press had no chance in revealing any of this. 
 

A one party state is dangerous. 

I dont disagree with any of that except your last bit.

SNP

Labour

Conservative

Green

Scottish Socialist Party

Liberal democrats

Independent

Brexit Party

UKIP

 

Not like theres no choice, it just happens to be SNP that keeps getting elected (for now) and even they are in a minrity government in Scotland at present.

[Darren]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

Agreed.

Only reason its been mentioned on here by that slavering British Nationalist is for points scoring purposes.

 

"Salmond's a beast"

"Oh right you are, my vote is going to the Conservatives this year then"

 

Aye Right!

 

He's the former first minister of Scotland. It's of much wider interest than just "let's put down a Nat", though I don't doubt many unionists are revelling in it.

[Trapper John McIntyre]

[Trapper John McIntyre]

'Here’s my annual “do you remember when Alex Salmond played tuck AND roll in Bug’s Life?” tweet.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

3 minutes ago, Trapper John McIntyre said:

Oh Lordy

[moogsy]

32 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Who would have thought that the timing for the Salmond hearing would be during an election period! How I loathe the British state. 

 

If he's guilty, get him done. Still voting SNP.

Incredible levels of paranoia to think that the UK Government has any influence over the independent Scottish Court system.

 

The court date was set before the General Election was even called.

[jack D and coke]

54 minutes ago, TheOak88 said:

 

No offence, but I think that’s a pretty insensitive post TBH. LOL’ing at attempted rape? Has KB turned into 4chan or something

Not laughing at all mate, I’m more laughing at the accusations, some of them sound ridiculous. I’m just very sceptical but we’ll see. 
Like I say I’m really not really arsed one way or another, it’s his problem at the end of the day. 

[Roxy Hearts]

18 minutes ago, moogsy said:

Incredible levels of paranoia to think that the UK Government has any influence over the independent Scottish Court system.

 

The court date was set before the General Election was even called.

Ha ha ha! Just a coincidence? I presume your gullibility has been influenced in another dimension. 

[red21]

9 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Ha ha ha! Just a coincidence? I presume your gullibility has been influenced in another dimension. 

 

So the court knew when the election would be over a week before it was voted on in Parliament? 

[Roxy Hearts]

6 minutes ago, red21 said:

 

So the court knew when the election would be over a week before it was voted on in Parliament? 

I'm paranoid! Don't know why. 

[manaliveits105]

Blind faith it seems - bizzarely

going to cost snp on the 12th Dec badly though along with their poor performance in government and one policy party

[Pans Jambo]

1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said:

Blind faith it seems - bizzarely

going to cost snp on the 12th Dec badly though along with their poor performance in government and one policy party

Ach superglue yer record the gether man!

 

The SNP are the ONLY party thats been getting on with the day job these last 3 + years which is funny considering the ones who have been 100% absorbed in Brexit have slated the SNP for NOT getting on with the day job.

 

What is "their poor performance in governance" that can be any worse than any other government anywhere on these islands? I'm genuinely interested.

 

"Soon they will have you hating the oppressed and loving the oppressors".

[Trapper John McIntyre]

[Jambo-Jimbo]

1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Ha ha ha! Just a coincidence? I presume your gullibility has been influenced in another dimension. 

 

Yeh, must just be a coincidence & lucky for Salmond that his preliminary court hearing is on the same day as the launch of the Labour party manifesto, thereby pushing his story way way down the news agenda, in fact it's just a footnote in many bulletins.  Lucky for him that the main news is all about the GE.

 

Today's court hearing was set on the 21 October, long long before any GE was set, indeed on that Monday it still wasn't 100% certain that the UK wouldn't be leaving the EU at the end of October.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50122740

 

 

[Roxy Hearts]

44 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Yeh, must just be a coincidence & lucky for Salmond that his preliminary court hearing is on the same day as the launch of the Labour party manifesto, thereby pushing his story way way down the news agenda, in fact it's just a footnote in many bulletins.  Lucky for him that the main news is all about the GE.

 

Today's court hearing was set on the 21 October, long long before any GE was set, indeed on that Monday it still wasn't 100% certain that the UK wouldn't be leaving the EU at the end of October.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50122740

 

 

A ken. I'm paranoid! 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Just now, Roxy Hearts said:

A ken. I'm paranoid! 

 

I never said your paranoid, but I am taking a different view from you.

 

If I were Alex Salmond I'd be thanking my lucky stars that there is a GE campaign going on right now and the Trump Impeachment hearing as well, because just imagine if there weren't, and the full glare of the media British & Foreign wasn't focused elsewhere.

 

No General Election, a slow news day and Alex Salmond in court accused of sexual assault charges, 15 to 20 minutes main news bulletins every hour focused solely on Alex Salmond and his fall from power, instead of barely getting anything more than a few minutes mention.

 

I know what I'd prefer if it were me on trial.

[manaliveits105]

Did Salmond not mentor Sturgeon

they were obviously very close

did she know ?

many questions for the electorate

[JackLadd]

I believe the ten woman. Lock the Lithgy blowhard up.

[Seymour M Hersh]

3 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Ha ha ha! Just a coincidence? I presume your gullibility has been influenced in another dimension. 

 

Crikey it's only a matter of weeks since you were singing the praises of the Scottish Court system. Of course they were supporting your agenda then. 

[TheOak88]

3 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Ha ha ha! Just a coincidence? I presume your gullibility has been influenced in another dimension. 

 

[systemx]

Can't get rid of the mental image I have of Nicola sitting on Alex knee

[Jambo_Gaz]

4 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Ach superglue yer record the gether man!

 

The SNP are the ONLY party thats been getting on with the day job these last 3 + years which is funny considering the ones who have been 100% absorbed in Brexit have slated the SNP for NOT getting on with the day job.

 

What is "their poor performance in governance" that can be any worse than any other government anywhere on these islands? I'm genuinely interested.

 

"Soon they will have you hating the oppressed and loving the oppressors".

 

Jesus wept. 

 

You reckon the SNP have got on with the day job have they? 

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17326049.paul-hutcheon-brexit-has-masked-the-failures-of-the-snp-government/

 

They only exist to break up the United Kingdom. The rest is just lies. 

[Pans Jambo]

14 minutes ago, Jambo_Gaz said:

 

Jesus wept. 

 

You reckon the SNP have got on with the day job have they? 

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17326049.paul-hutcheon-brexit-has-masked-the-failures-of-the-snp-government/

 

They only exist to break up the United Kingdom. The rest is just lies. 

Aye thats it. If its in the Herald as an opinion piece, I’m voting tory then!!!

[coconut doug]

On 07/11/2019 at 13:04, Phil Dunphy said:

I see a report from Professor Jim Scott is highlighting the current state of education in Scotland. 
 

Attainment in Scottish National qualification levels 3-5 in S4 pupils has dropped by at least 32.9% since the CfE was introduced in 2013. Higher passes in S5 have also dropped by 10% in the last 4 years. 

 

This report is being rubbished because because the author is claimed to have a political agenda and because the methodology used is flawed.

https://www.tes.com/news/what-does-data-really-say-about-scotlands-curriculum-0

 

According to these experts the reality is that things may be improving. I would be interested to see if you still think it fair or accurate to claim that  Scottish National qualification levels 3-5 in S4 pupils has dropped by at least 32.9% since the CfE was introduced after reading this TES article.

[The Hogfather]

9 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

I’m pretty sceptical if I’m being totally honest. 
Im really not that bothered either. 
It reads like pretty much any other unionist garbage spouted by tripper. I dread to think how excited he’s getting over this tbh, the mind truly boggles. 
Sexually assaulted by touching her on the leg? Is this sexual assault? I’ve been molested, I’ve been raped and violated on dozens of occasions by women then. I’m sure most of us have worn a kilt. What a load of absolute shite  
Intended to rape?! Wtf does that even mean? Did he rape her? Honestly that’s an embarrassing charge sheet. Grasping at straws is the only way to describe it. 
Tbh I’d always got the impression Salmond was possibly a bit fruity so it’s a major surprise to see these. 
There won’t be a person alive who hasn’t experienced some of these things. Calling it sexual assault and attempted and intended rape? 
LOL


 

 

The #MeToo movement was just lost on you, wasn't it?

 

7 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Who would have thought that the timing for the Salmond hearing would be during an election period! How I loathe the British state. 

 

If he's guilty, get him done. Still voting SNP.

 

Except these charges were brought months before the election was called and his trial will start 3 months after the election takes place. The inside of your head must be a terrifying place.

 

5 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

The SNP are the ONLY party thats been getting on with the day job these last 3 + years which is funny considering the ones who have been 100% absorbed in Brexit have slated the SNP for NOT getting on with the day job.

 

What is "their poor performance in governance" that can be any worse than any other government anywhere on these islands? I'm genuinely interested.

 

I'm not sure how anyone can believe that. In the past 4 years, Higher passes in 5th year have dropped by 10%. Nat3-5 passes in S4 have dropped by a 32.9% since 2013. Levels of 'zero attainment' have reached 3%. The equivalent of 1 child in every S1 class in Scotland. Since the introduction of the Curriculum for Excellence, the overall number of Scottish students leaving school with no qualifications is rising.

 

You can say the SNP are getting on with the day job, but there are some alarming figures showing how the Scottish education system is struggling. And that's before you even look at the teacher shortages around the country too.

[The Hogfather]

45 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

This report is being rubbished because because the author is claimed to have a political agenda and because the methodology used is flawed.

https://www.tes.com/news/what-does-data-really-say-about-scotlands-curriculum-0

 

According to these experts the reality is that things may be improving. I would be interested to see if you still think it fair or accurate to claim that  Scottish National qualification levels 3-5 in S4 pupils has dropped by at least 32.9% since the CfE was introduced after reading this TES article.

 

So it's important to note the author of the original report is claimed to have a political agenda, but not to question whether or not the authors of this article do?

 

Your article was interesting, but I note the authors are researchers at Stirling Uni, while I found an article from someone else at Stirling Uni that backs up the idea that the Scottish education system is not as rosey as those in Holyrood would have you believe.

 

http://sceptical.scot/2018/01/seven-reasons-scottish-education-performing/

 

I have a few friends who work in secondary education in schools and they hold the same opinion. That the Scottish education system is in a state of disarray. 

[coconut doug]

25 minutes ago, Nunya Business said:

 

So it's important to note the author of the original report is claimed to have a political agenda, but not to question whether or not the authors of this article do?

 

Your article was interesting, but I note the authors are researchers at Stirling Uni, while I found an article from someone else at Stirling Uni that backs up the idea that the Scottish education system is not as rosey as those in Holyrood would have you believe.

 

http://sceptical.scot/2018/01/seven-reasons-scottish-education-performing/

 

I have a few friends who work in secondary education in schools and they hold the same opinion. That the Scottish education system is in a state of disarray. 

 

I wouldn't disagree that Education in Scotland is in disarray. It always has been. You might be right about the point re political bias but nonetheless that's what's claimed. Clearly though the figures quoted and created by professor Scott do not show a decline in standards. All they show is a decline in the number of people taking the exams due to falling rolls and pupils taking fewer exams generally. Pass rates are actually higher as far as i can see.

[Roxy Hearts]

1 hour ago, Nunya Business said:

 

The #MeToo movement was just lost on you, wasn't it?

 

 

Except these charges were brought months before the election was called and his trial will start 3 months after the election takes place. The inside of your head must be a terrifying place.

 

 

I'm not sure how anyone can believe that. In the past 4 years, Higher passes in 5th year have dropped by 10%. Nat3-5 passes in S4 have dropped by a 32.9% since 2013. Levels of 'zero attainment' have reached 3%. The equivalent of 1 child in every S1 class in Scotland. Since the introduction of the Curriculum for Excellence, the overall number of Scottish students leaving school with no qualifications is rising.

 

You can say the SNP are getting on with the day job, but there are some alarming figures showing how the Scottish education system is struggling. And that's before you even look at the teacher shortages around the country too.

Ooooft I'm 58. Unionist education has really made me paranoid! 

[Jambo_Gaz]

I find it really, really odd how these nationalists support absolutely everything the SNP do. Every single thing. 

 

That is downright bizarre, blind and dangerous. 

[The Hogfather]

8 hours ago, coconut doug said:

 

I wouldn't disagree that Education in Scotland is in disarray. It always has been. You might be right about the point re political bias but nonetheless that's what's claimed. Clearly though the figures quoted and created by professor Scott do not show a decline in standards. All they show is a decline in the number of people taking the exams due to falling rolls and pupils taking fewer exams generally. Pass rates are actually higher as far as i can see.

Therein lies the fallacy of the “judge us on education” schtick the SNP like to trot out. The Scottish education system is not in good shape. 
 

8 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Ooooft I'm 58. Unionist education has really made me paranoid! 

 

I don’t even know what “Unionist education” might be, but as someone who went through school in Scotland, I can guarantee I didn’t receive a “Unionist education”. 

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, Nunya Business said:

Therein lies the fallacy of the “judge us on education” schtick the SNP like to trot out. The Scottish education system is not in good shape. 
 

 

I don’t even know what “Unionist education” might be, but as someone who went through school in Scotland, I can guarantee I didn’t receive a “Unionist education”. 

What language did they teach you in and what version of History did you receive. English and English. 👍

[The Hogfather]

28 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

What language did they teach you in and what version of History did you receive. English and English. 👍

You’re right. It’s an absolute disgrace that schools in Scotland don’t teach children in the Peruvian dialect of Spanish. Well played. 
 

[coconut doug]

3 hours ago, Nunya Business said:

Therein lies the fallacy of the “judge us on education” schtick the SNP like to trot out. The Scottish education system is not in good shape. 

 

Are you saying that the lack of data means improvement is impossible to measure?

 

Wherein lies the fallacy of "judge us on education"?

[The Hogfather]

23 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

Are you saying that the lack of data means improvement is impossible to measure?

 

Wherein lies the fallacy of "judge us on education"?

If you can say a lack of data means Professor Scott’s report can’t be taken seriously, then a lack of data should mean you can’t realistically claim things are improving. 
 

Many people within the Scottish education system believe that the system is failing in many different ways. 
 

It’s typical of modern Scotland that the author of a report like this is immediately accused of having some kind of Unionist political agenda. 

[Pans Jambo]

11 hours ago, Jambo_Gaz said:

I find it really, really odd how these nationalists support absolutely everything the SNP do. Every single thing. 

 

That is downright bizarre, blind and dangerous. 

No they dont. Most the "nationalists" are not "nationalists" unlike the "nationalists" that look at what Westminster has done over the last decade and still think its a good idea. ROOL BRIIITANNNIA!!! etc.

 

Downright Bizzare, blind and dangerous (as is currently being proven).

[Pans Jambo]

6 minutes ago, Nunya Business said:

If you can say a lack of data means Professor Scott’s report can’t be taken seriously, then a lack of data should mean you can’t realistically claim things are improving. 
 

Many people within the Scottish education system believe that the system is failing in many different ways. 
 

It’s typical of modern Scotland that the author of a report like this is immediately accused of having some kind of Unionist political agenda. 

Typically, they do.

 

Wake the feck up!

[The Hogfather]

8 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Typically, they do.

 

Wake the feck up!

Of course they do. Everything is rosey in Scotland, this is the land of milk and honey and anyone who thinks any different is a yoon traitor. 
 

Honestly mate, give it a rest. 

[Pans Jambo]

4 minutes ago, Nunya Business said:

Of course they do. Everything is rosey in Scotland, this is the land of milk and honey and anyone who thinks any different is a yoon traitor. 
 

Honestly mate, give it a rest. 

Aye Scotland is shite (Unless its being ran by Westminster, then its fabulous).

 

Give it a rest!

[The Hogfather]

Just now, Pans Jambo said:

Aye Scotland is shite (Unless its being ran by Westminster, then its fabulous).

 

Give it a rest!

Who said Scotland is shite?

 

Right, I understand you now. You’re completely unable to deal in anything other than absolutes or wild assumptions that anyone criticising any aspect of modern Scotland is attacking everything about the country or its people. 
 

I genuinely feel sorry for you man. You’re so blinded by hatred that you can’t see anything other than that. What a sad way to live your life  

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, Nunya Business said:

Who said Scotland is shite?

 

Right, I understand you now. You’re completely unable to deal in anything other than absolutes or wild assumptions that anyone criticising any aspect of modern Scotland is attacking everything about the country or its people. 
 

I genuinely feel sorry for you man. You’re so blinded by hatred that you can’t see anything other than that. What a sad way to live your life  

You understand heehaw.

 

The SNP need hounded every time they feck up however; I'm not having folk on here pretend that the shit show in Westminster is the answer.

 

JUST LOOK AT IT!!!

 

Its a disaster. Boris et-al are a global laughing stock and a complete disaster zone yet folk come on here to take a pop a Scotland just to divert from the complete abortion coming from London. It's all over the news and has been for the last 3 years! Enlgish Nationalism is the reason we are in this clusterfeck of a situation unyet anyone sticking up for Scotland are "Nationalists".

 

Not having it mate!