Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Could be all relies on Scottish Government forcing it through Seems to be a bit of doubt around this mornings proceedings, if they need the Shire to agree, its destined for Holyrood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torry Jambo Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: My Aberdeen friend next me, predicts there will be several breaks throughout the day! Lunch, tea, whatever they can string it out for On a Lunch Break just now.Resumes at 12.50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torry Jambo Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 They have still to reach the Debate yet..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Seems to be a bit of doubt around this mornings proceedings, if they need the Shire to agree, its destined for Holyrood Even if voted for which it shouldnt be then the protestors will take it to court. Id say thats almost a cert. Oil money might be on the dowmward trend up here but theres still a lot of affluent areas and Kingswells is one. Was speaking to some Aberdeen fans the other day and the penny seemed to drop with them that the new AECC will take away potential “other events” they can’t give an answer on funding just “it’ll be there” it won’t go over budget and they need the training facilities beside the ground to move forward... it was at that last point i lost the will to live.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, sadj said: Even if voted for which it shouldnt be then the protestors will take it to court. Id say thats almost a cert. Oil money might be on the dowmward trend up here but theres still a lot of affluent areas and Kingswells is one. Was speaking to some Aberdeen fans the other day and the penny seemed to drop with them that the new AECC will take away potential “other events” they can’t give an answer on funding just “it’ll be there” it won’t go over budget and they need the training facilities beside the ground to move forward... it was at that last point i lost the will to live.... Its too emotive for many of them to have a reasoned chat. Aberdeen being what it is, very little good stuff has come its citizens way. So anything new is kind of desperately sought after. I think it will be approved today, too unpopular for the council not to, from a political standpoint, pass the buck elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Sir Gio said: Its too emotive for many of them to have a reasoned chat. Aberdeen being what it is, very little good stuff has come its citizens way. So anything new is kind of desperately sought after. I think it will be approved today, too unpopular for the council not to, from a political standpoint, pass the buck elsewhere. Very much a ill lose my seat in the elections if i vote against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo92 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Approved.. the slow death of Aberdeen FC to begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Honestly did not see this getting the go ahead in a million years. Wow. If I was an Aberdeen fan, I would now be getting very worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo92 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Just now, Ryder said: Honestly did not see this getting the go ahead in a million years. Wow. If I was an Aberdeen fan, I would now be getting very worried. Saturday nights spent trying to get out a gridlocked car park will be the funnest part of the day for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ryder said: Honestly did not see this getting the go ahead in a million years. Wow. If I was an Aberdeen fan, I would now be getting very worried. That's not what they have been sold and they are not going to be convinced otherwise. Not sure the funding of it is the problem, it will be the reality of slipping back down the table and then people not wanting to bother with buses, gridlock and inconvenience. But all is well for the time being, and they genuinely believe this elevates them to another level, rather than keep pace with ourselves and our likes long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Just now, Ryder said: Honestly did not see this getting the go ahead in a million years. Wow. If I was an Aberdeen fan, I would now be getting very worried. As Sir Gio and i were saying above the councillors are likely protecting themselves. Pass the buck save them losing their seats. Cant see the protestors stopping where they are. Cop out decision today though at least AFC may have to come out and m say where they are getting 50million from rather than vague explanations. Can see away fans dropping and the home fans likewise over time. Bad runs and their attendances drop dramtically add to that a 45/60min travel time to the game and it could very well be shown to be a horrendous decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 23 page thread on Aberdeen's phantom stadium. The first Naismith thread was more grounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Pretty comfortable vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Foregone Conclusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo-in-furness Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 The best of luck to them, any team outside the uglies I would rather they prospered. They are gambling on their future, that's football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeDudley Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 where exactly is the new stadium going to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven_mck Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Will be interesting to see how they find the £50m. Could take them years and a bank loan to finish it. Good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 23 pager on another clubs stadium that isn't even under construction yet is bawbaggery behaviour. I'm sure we were slagging hibs for their obsession with our beautiful stand. Anyway, I'm now contributing to the bawbaggery and couldn't give s flying if Aberdeen stay, move or move to Surrey. 23 pages and counting is suprising tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Not really up to scratch regarding the whole thing, but if their crowds do drop which I expect them to, are there opportunity's to raise money through other ventures involved in the move. Or from outside football using the facilities? This could work out very badly for them reading the posts above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 They would be far better off redeveloping Pittodrie. Soulless out of town stadiums are awful experiences. Can't wait for Aberdeen to do a Livingston and **** off to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 If this whole move is not just designed so Milne can line his pockets by building on pittodrie then good luck to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, SpikeDudley said: where exactly is the new stadium going to be? Fantasyland perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Australis...... said: Not really up to scratch regarding the whole thing, but if their crowds do drop which I expect them to, are there opportunity's to raise money through other ventures involved in the move. Or from outside football using the facilities? This could work out very badly for them reading the posts above. Their plan included econmic benefits of several non football events or extra events moving forward. Cant see that going down well for concerts etc and they are building a new AECC just off the bypass on the old Rowett Institue?? site. Surely that will snaffle all events up moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo92 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, sadj said: Their plan included econmic benefits of several non football events or extra events moving forward. Cant see that going down well for concerts etc and they are building a new AECC just off the bypass on the old Rowett Institue?? site. Surely that will snaffle all events up moving forward. Sure i read part of conditions of acceptance is that the stadium will host no concerts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Jambo92 said: Sure i read part of conditions of acceptance is that the stadium will host no concerts. No idea not looked that closely at it. I know they definately had several extra events per year as an economic benefit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 It's very hard to get sheep accustomed to a new environment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 40 minutes ago, SpikeDudley said: where exactly is the new stadium going to be? they should build it next to where most of their fanbase is - central belt circa 1983 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Jambo92 said: Approved.. the slow death of Aberdeen FC to begin. Would rather a quick one but either is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I'll be impressed if they actually break ground, but it just goes to show what you can get away with in this day and age! If it goes ahead then good luck sheepies, hope it doesn't cost you your club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnlondon Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, buzzbomb1958 said: It's very hard to get sheep accustomed to a new environment Milne will keep them moving in the right direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Genuinly surprised it’s been given the go ahead. Whole thing seems destined for failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Good luck to them.Think they will need it. The quicker they start the better. No doubt the 50 million price will be a lot more after completion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 23/01/2018 at 16:40, IveSeenTheLight said: It's not worth getting into a debate about attendances, however given you have asked NK SIROKI BRIJEG - Att: 17,067 APOLLON LIMASSOL - Att: 20,085 HAMILTON ACADEMICAL - Att: 15,165 DUNDEE FC - Att: 15,646 KILMARNOCK FC - Att: 15,037 HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN - Att: 18,371 Remember, we report attendances, not seats sold. I know of season ticket holders where seats are sold, but not attended some games for various reasons No you do not! FACT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, Thomaso said: No you do not! FACT!! We always have done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveSeenTheLight Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Council meeting to decide on now But Aberdeen Council senior planner has admitted Aberdeenshire Council, who are against it, have an effective veto over the project as applications for a controlled parking zone and pedestrian footbridge have to be made to Aberdeenshire Council. Oh dear. That's not how I heard it. Aberdeenshire have a say as conditions have been applied such as the CPZ zone and the footbridge / underpass. If Aberdeenshire choose not to process these, then the applicant can go back to planning to request an amendment on the condition or even removal. I think the CPZ is an easy one, if Aberdeenshire do not agree to impliment, then its a free for all access on parking. The A944 cross over is the more firm condition that will be troublesome to get past, but if Aberdeen are willing to pay for it, it could go to the Scottish ministers who could overrule Aberdeenshire to get the investment approval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Leyenda Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, sadj said: Their plan included econmic benefits of several non football events or extra events moving forward. Cant see that going down well for concerts etc and they are building a new AECC just off the bypass on the old Rowett Institue?? site. Surely that will snaffle all events up moving forward. They built the Hydro in Glasgow and yet Hampden still hosts plenty of concerts. 1 hour ago, Jambo92 said: Sure i read part of conditions of acceptance is that the stadium will host no concerts. It's just not been given pre-approval, but was discussed at meeting today and they said Aberdeen would just have to apply to the council separately if they wanted to host a concert. Also rugby matches, as SRU are keen to hold games there too. The vote today was solely on the training facilities and the stadium hosting football matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said: We always have done Bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Good luck I say.Stadium looks pretty nice as well.Had a look on hibsnet earlier(see any transfer rumours) and they have a thread saying it looks bland as ****,they must walk into Easter Road with their eyes shut At least it's a realistic size at 20k as I had previously read it was to be 30k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Leyenda Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Video of the stadium and training facilities here (for those interested). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, La_Leyenda said: They built the Hydro in Glasgow and yet Hampden still hosts plenty of concerts. Thats a far different thing. Aside from Elton John and possibly Rod stewart , how many times has there been a concert at Pittodrie? The Hydro and Hampden are in far eaiser catchment area for people. Add to that Hampden doesnt claim to host several of these events in an effort to provide economic income to get a proposal voted through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Leyenda Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 minute ago, sadj said: Thats a far different thing. Aside from Elton John and possibly Rod stewart , how many times has there been a concert at Pittodrie? The Hydro and Hampden are in far eaiser catchment area for people. Add to that Hampden doesnt claim to host several of these events in an effort to provide economic income to get a proposal voted through. Concerts and rugby are an added bonus economically, Aberdeen aren't relying on them. Hearts increased away support as you all flock up to see the stadium will pay off the debt quickly enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, La_Leyenda said: Concerts and rugby are an added bonus economically, Aberdeen aren't relying on them. Hearts increased away support as you all flock up to see the stadium will pay off the debt quickly enough... Ever the optimist. ? any details of funding sources as yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, La_Leyenda said: Concerts and rugby are an added bonus economically, Aberdeen aren't relying on them. Hearts increased away support as you all flock up to see the stadium will pay off the debt quickly enough... We had this discussion the other week part of the proposal was that the venue would host several extra non football events every year... i honestly would like to see a strong Aberdeen albeit below us and losing to us all the time. However im sure you must appreciate as a group of fans who have been through this and told the same things as you lot by our chairman we are very sceptical. Also as away fans travelling to out of city stadiums is never ideal. It could work or could be a massive backfire both for home and away fans. Add to that the vagueness of the financial proposals on paying for it. It just seems very strange for want of a better word. Loriston I think was perfect if moving out of town . Kingsford I think is a step to far thats as a person living up here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Leyenda Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, sadj said: We had this discussion the other week part of the proposal was that the venue would host several extra non football events every year... i honestly would like to see a strong Aberdeen albeit below us and losing to us all the time. However im sure you must appreciate as a group of fans who have been through this and told the same things as you lot by our chairman we are very sceptical. Also as away fans travelling to out of city stadiums is never ideal. It could work or could be a massive backfire both for home and away fans. Add to that the vagueness of the financial proposals on paying for it. It just seems very strange for want of a better word. Loriston I think was perfect if moving out of town . Kingsford I think is a step to far thats as a person living up here. I agree on Loirston, and if somehow that was reignited I'd be all for it. But I just don't accept Kingsford will be a disaster. When I hear things like "fans will go initially then stop once the novelty wears off" - that's not really what happens and certainly isn't what has happened to other new builds. What happens is fans adjust - they might go by shuttle bus, find it a pain in the arse, and instead go by car. They might do the opppsite - might avoid the shuttle bus, find parking a nightmare, go by bus and realise it wasn't as bad as they first feared. They may decide instead of heading to the city centre after a game to go somewhere in Westhill then get the a bus later when the roads are quieter. But you don't stop supporting your team because it's a little trickier to get to Kingsford than Pittodrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1961 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Hope it works out for Aberdeen, been going on for an age.Pittodrie is a shitehole about time the sheep moved on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, La_Leyenda said: I agree on Loirston, and if somehow that was reignited I'd be all for it. But I just don't accept Kingsford will be a disaster. When I hear things like "fans will go initially then stop once the novelty wears off" - that's not really what happens and certainly isn't what has happened to other new builds. What happens is fans adjust - they might go by shuttle bus, find it a pain in the arse, and instead go by car. They might do the opppsite - might avoid the shuttle bus, find parking a nightmare, go by bus and realise it wasn't as bad as they first feared. They may decide instead of heading to the city centre after a game to go somewhere in Westhill then get the a bus later when the roads are quieter. But you don't stop supporting your team because it's a little trickier to get to Kingsford than Pittodrie. Thats all fine and well but you also have quite a fairweather support outside of a small solid core of fans. There is a lot of risks to the move and it could be as damaging as it could positive. Long way to go i think before its given the goahead anyway as no doubt the protestors will take it all the way ala Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Who fecking cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, La_Leyenda said: I agree on Loirston, and if somehow that was reignited I'd be all for it. But I just don't accept Kingsford will be a disaster. When I hear things like "fans will go initially then stop once the novelty wears off" - that's not really what happens and certainly isn't what has happened to other new builds. What happens is fans adjust - they might go by shuttle bus, find it a pain in the arse, and instead go by car. They might do the opppsite - might avoid the shuttle bus, find parking a nightmare, go by bus and realise it wasn't as bad as they first feared. They may decide instead of heading to the city centre after a game to go somewhere in Westhill then get the a bus later when the roads are quieter. But you don't stop supporting your team because it's a little trickier to get to Kingsford than Pittodrie. Basically if your successful and match day experience is good they will go.Pretty much like it is for other clubs and 7.5m out of the city is it really that bad.I don't know what traffic is like up there but it's like a 10 or 15 mins drive here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 52 minutes ago, La_Leyenda said: Concerts and rugby are an added bonus economically, Aberdeen aren't relying on them. Hearts increased away support as you all flock up to see the stadium will pay off the debt quickly enough... You still have the Judicial Review to hurdle once the locals get it organised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 32 minutes ago, jambo1961 said: Hope it works out for Aberdeen, been going on for an age.Pittodrie is a shitehole about time the sheep moved on Yeah Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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