Latest SNP embarassment

[JamboX2]

You sound more and more like a labour drone every post I read of yours.

Same applies to Kez and Iain mate.

 

If you have the ability to do better or raise money to di x, y or z why not flex those muscles?

 

Wee Ruth is calling for a tax cut.

Patrick Harvie wants reformed tax.

Willie Rennie wants an extra penny.

 

Nicola is shying out. Bugs me.

[niblick1874]

Opt outers, would be the ones id be keeping under tabs.

Why?

[Guest]

It's similar to people who bang on about the tax raising powers the Scottish Parliament has. They are nothing more than a trap and nobody with an ounce of sense would ever use them. It's almost like here are a set of tax raising powers but use them and your finished.

Nonsense.

I strongly disagree with this. The snp have for a long time claimed they wanted more power to do the best for Scotland

 

We constantly heard how they are anti asteriuty, more services for the public etc, etc. That stuff don't come for free. In simple terms to balance books you raise taxes or cut services or a combination of both.

 

However, as soon as given power its a trap?!?! I'm having none of that.

 

Being in power comes with responsibility and that involves making tough descions. If you want all these things that comes at at cost.

 

Not many people like money coming out their pocket. However, every government faces these desicions. It's not a trap it's about governing.

 

IMO they want power without responsibility.

 

We constantly hear people living in Scotland are more left wing and want fairer society. Raising taxes shouldn't be all that unpopular to provide the socialist nirvana people allegedly want.

 

Have the courage of your convictions, and let people decide at ballot box they don't.

 

Surely us socially aware people living in Scotland would have no problem paying more for this........? Unless maybe we're not and the same as the rest of the U.K. Vote how it suits us.

 

They don't want to make tough decisions as it may impact on people voting for them should another referendum ever occur (I'm personally sick of referendum). I get that, but don't pretend they are some way better or different from any other party. They will do whatever if takes to get power.

 

Their policies have been little more than attempts to not offend people. To gain independence that failed.

 

I genuinely think the biggest threat to independence is the snp being in power as they will have to make decisions that won't be popular. 10-12 years seems to be time limit people get sick of political parties.

 

I personally don't think they have the balls to govern as it may impact their ultimate goal. Easier to sit on sidelines and point blame, as opposed to make tough decisions.

 

The fact politics in Scotland has become little more than yes or no is a disgrace IMO, we need to look at the real issue and work to sort.

[jack D and coke]

I strongly disagree with this. The snp have for a long time claimed they wanted more power to do the best for Scotland

 

We constantly heard how they are anti asteriuty, more services for the public etc, etc. That stuff don't come for free. In simple terms to balance books you raise taxes or cut services or a combination of both.

 

However, as soon as given power its a trap?!?! I'm having none of that.

 

Being in power comes with responsibility and that involves making tough descions. If you want all these things that comes at at cost.

 

Not many people like money coming out their pocket. However, every government faces these desicions. It's not a trap it's about governing.

 

IMO they want power without responsibility.

 

We constantly hear people living in Scotland are more left wing and want fairer society. Raising taxes shouldn't be all that unpopular to provide the socialist nirvana people allegedly want.

 

Have the courage of your convictions, and let people decide at ballot box they don't.

 

Surely us socially aware people living in Scotland would have no problem paying more for this........? Unless maybe we're not and the same as the rest of the U.K. Vote how it suits us.

 

They don't want to make tough decisions as it may impact on people voting for them should another referendum ever occur (I'm personally sick of referendum). I get that, but don't pretend they are some way better or different from any other party. They will do whatever if takes to get power.

 

Their policies have been little more than attempts to not offend people. To gain independence that failed.

 

I genuinely think the biggest threat to independence is the snp being in power as they will have to make decisions that won't be popular. 10-12 years seems to be time limit people get sick of political parties.

 

I personally don't think they have the balls to govern as it may impact their ultimate goal. Easier to sit on sidelines and point blame, as opposed to make tough decisions.

 

The fact politics in Scotland has become little more than yes or no is a disgrace IMO, we need to look at the real issue and work to sort.

A trap is perhaps the wrong turn of phrase. Possibly political suicide would be a better way of describing it.

Labour can carp about it from the sidelines because they won't be making any decisions for a long time up here.

When they had the opportunity they didn't use it either. Funny that....

[Guest]

A trap is perhaps the wrong turn of phrase. Possibly political suicide would be a better way of describing it.

Labour can carp about it from the sidelines because they won't be making any decisions for a long time up here.

When they had the opportunity they didn't use it either. Funny that....

I'm not having that either. The tories, commit political suicide, due to their cutting benefits etc?

 

You have choices to make and you will never please everyone. That's what being in power is about.

 

i also hate this type of justification you use in last 2 sentences. Since when two wrong make a right? Surely if the snp are new and fresh they would do what they believe is correct?

 

Look at what's the right thing to do, and courage of your conviction and not look at the colour of the rosette and justify whatever because it suits at the time.

 

Also arent the tax powers recently provided new? So how would any party use them? They have laid their policy in same ways as others, which I think is 1p on income tax?

 

So they would use if elected, which ain't going to happen.

 

Is the new motto #anyonebutsnpbad :-)

[jack D and coke]

I'm not having that either. The tories, commit political suicide, due to their cutting benefits etc?

 

You have choices to make and you will never please everyone. That's what being in power is about.

 

i also hate this type of justification you use in last 2 sentences. Since when two wrong make a right? Surely if the snp are new and fresh they would do what they believe is correct?

 

Look at what's the right thing to do, and courage of your conviction and not look at the colour of the rosette and justify whatever because it suits at the time.

 

Also arent the tax powers recently provided new? So how would any party use them? They have laid their policy in same ways as others, which I think is 1p on income tax?

 

So they would use if elected, which ain't going to happen.

 

Is the new motto #anyonebutsnpbad :-)

Were you on a spaceship during Indyref or something? Didn't you see everybody threatening to leave the country if Indy happened and taxes were raised etc? People were offered radical and threatened to run for the hills if it happened. The Scottish Parliament is for managing the block grant and mitigating decisions made down the road. Even in the event of Indy I think we'd have to mirror pretty much what happens in England or what would stop people and companies shifting over the border?

I'm not an SNP supporter btw. I've voted for them as I have for all the major parties at different times but I can't be doing with any of them if I'm honest but labour especially get my goat.

[Guest]

Were you on a spaceship during Indyref or something? Didn't you see everybody threatening to leave the country if Indy happened and taxes were raised etc? People were offered radical and threatened to run for the hills if it happened. The Scottish Parliament is for managing the block grant and mitigating decisions made down the road. Even in the event of Indy I think we'd have to mirror pretty much what happens in England or what would stop people and companies shifting over the border?

I'm not an SNP supporter btw. I've voted for them as I have for all the major parties at different times but I can't be doing with any of them if I'm honest but labour especially get my goat.

No I don't own a space ship. And really not sure what your point is.

 

Raising taxes has and never will be popular. I said that right at the start. In the same way cutting services isn't popular. What's your point being in government isn't popular? If so I agree.

 

That's govt for you, they will have to make unpopular choices in power to balance books etc. It not a trap/political suicide it the responsibility of government.

 

Nope I didn't see everybody threatening to leave the country. The exact opposite, it was those 'evil rich' people who were threatening to leave the country, which in many ways was empty rhetoric cause you would need to do some major tax changes to make it financial viable. So it would only effect a tiny minority probably less than a couple of % so let's not engage hyperbole thanks.

 

People were offered nothing radical? What was radical that is a genuine question.

 

I agree we would have had a mirror of Ruk. As we live in a global society. Companies/humans/animals whatever will go where conditions are favourable. Hence why you don't deviat massively.That's one of the reason we're seeing immigration at the moment. (Another topic)

 

I also have no political allegiance. I do find the snp position that they are offering something different very hollow. As said they are no different any other party and wull do whatever it takes to get into power. They would shift left or right to suit.

 

Anyway, this is going nowhere and completely away from my original point. The snp aren't being stitched up they are having to take the responsibility of governing and all that comes with. Hence why I don't think independence will happen in my life time as you can't keep enough people happy if your in government. The electorate are a fical bunch and get sick of political parties after 10-12 years.

[aussieh]

No I don't own a space ship. And really not sure what your point is.

 

Raising taxes has and never will be popular. I said that right at the start. In the same way cutting services isn't popular. What's your point being in government isn't popular? If so I agree.

 

That's govt for you, they will have to make unpopular choices in power to balance books etc. It not a trap/political suicide it the responsibility of government.

 

Nope I didn't see everybody threatening to leave the country. The exact opposite, it was those 'evil rich' people who were threatening to leave the country, which in many ways was empty rhetoric cause you would need to do some major tax changes to make it financial viable. So it would only effect a tiny minority probably less than a couple of % so let's not engage hyperbole thanks.

 

People were offered nothing radical? What was radical that is a genuine question.

 

I agree we would have had a mirror of Ruk. As we live in a global society. Companies/humans/animals whatever will go where conditions are favourable. Hence why you don't deviat massively.That's one of the reason we're seeing immigration at the moment. (Another topic)

 

I also have no political allegiance. I do find the snp position that they are offering something different very hollow. As said they are no different any other party and wull do whatever it takes to get into power. They would shift left or right to suit.

 

Anyway, this is going nowhere and completely away from my original point. The snp aren't being stitched up they are having to take the responsibility of governing and all that comes with. Hence why I don't think independence will happen in my life time as you can't keep enough people happy if your in government. The electorate are a fical bunch and get sick of political parties after 10-12 years.

No voter accusing the SNP of not taking responsibility.

Independence, is the ultimate responsibility.

Hypocrites'

[Thunderstruck]

Were you on a spaceship during Indyref or something? Didn't you see everybody threatening to leave the country if Indy happened and taxes were raised etc? People were offered radical and threatened to run for the hills if it happened. The Scottish Parliament is for managing the block grant and mitigating decisions made down the road. Even in the event of Indy I think we'd have to mirror pretty much what happens in England or what would stop people and companies shifting over the border?

I'm not an SNP supporter btw. I've voted for them as I have for all the major parties at different times but I can't be doing with any of them if I'm honest but labour especially get my goat.

We're you in orbit last week when Sturgeon told Holyrood that increasing the higher rate tax would lead to higher rate tax payers moving from Scotland?

[jack D and coke]

We're you in orbit last week when Sturgeon told Holyrood that increasing the higher rate tax would lead to higher rate tax payers moving from Scotland?

Eh....isn't that pretty much what I said?

[ToadKiller Dog]

Big embarrassment for the SNP in the Sunday post today a poll by survation on the over 60s intentions to vote has the SNP on 43% Tory 28% and Labour 19% for constituency for region SNP 37% Tory 27% Labour 18%

Even the OAPs seem to brain washed to toward the SNP .

 

Poll also found positive reaction to the SNP government over the areas of Health ,Education and justice .

Embarrassing for them surely.

 

So who is listening to the Unionist media attacks not the voters that's for sure .

[Guest]

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[Thunderstruck]

Eh....isn't that pretty much what I said?

Oops, looks like I quoted wrong post.

[jambos are go!]

We're you in orbit last week when Sturgeon told Holyrood that increasing the higher rate tax would lead to higher rate tax payers moving from Scotland?

She said that increasing the rate would cost ?30 million and would not make economic sense. Strangely, she is happy to leave the Union and inherit a ?15 billion deficit!!.

[jambos are go!]

Big embarrassment for the SNP in the Sunday post today a poll by survation on the over 60s intentions to vote has the SNP on 43% Tory 28% and Labour 19% for constituency for region SNP 37% Tory 27% Labour 18%

Even the OAPs seem to brain washed to toward the SNP .

Poll also found positive reaction to the SNP government over the areas of Health ,Education and justice .

Embarrassing for them surely.

So who is listening to the Unionist media attacks not the voters that's for sure .

Are you really surprised that there is less support for Labour and the SNP and more for the Tories in an opinion poll of the over 60s carried out for the Sunday Post. Really!!

[AlphonseCapone]

Are you really surprised that there is less support for Labour and the SNP and more for the Tories in an opinion poll of the over 60s carried out for the Sunday Post. Really!!

You are being a silly cookie here.

[ToadKiller Dog]

Are you really surprised that there is less support for Labour and the SNP and more for the Tories in an opinion poll of the over 60s carried out for the Sunday Post. Really!!

They didn't poll Sunday Post readers .

Yes I am surprised that support for Labour over 60s is so low given that is the traditional labour age group from the era of high union membership and large labour control and electoral votes in Scotland .

 

Labour support was seen as strongest in the older age group . The Tory vote is likely higher because Tories I imagine live longer due to being wealthier .

[jambos are go!]

You are being a silly cookie here.

Empty Rhetoric

[jambos are go!]

They didn't poll Sunday Post readers .

Yes I am surprised that support for Labour over 60s is so low given that is the traditional labour age group from the era of high union membership and large labour control and electoral votes in Scotland .

 

Labour support was seen as strongest in the older age group . The Tory vote is likely higher because Tories I imagine live longer due to being wealthier .

With any kind of poll or survey IMO( and many others) you should always be wary of the sponsor. And I did not say they they only polled Sunday Post readers.