Aliens

[Sten Guns]

I have proof. Actual stone cold proof. That Aliens exist among us. I've conversed with them.

 

I also have proof of how to time travel. I've done it too.

 

However, kickback is the LAST place i would divulge this information. I intend on telling nobody actually.

 

Also, you are all absolute idiots with your heads in the sand for not seeing the proof that's out there. Just look at the evidence! Stop being lied to by the MSM.

 

That's all I'm saying on the matter before you all pick on me. I can't be bothered putting you all in your place either.

[Jamboman1512]

I have proof. Actual stone cold proof. That Aliens exist among us. I've conversed with them.

 

I also have proof of how to time travel. I've done it too.

 

However, kickback is the LAST place i would divulge this information. I intend on telling nobody actually.

 

Also, you are all absolute idiots with your heads in the sand for not seeing the proof that's out there. Just look at the evidence! Stop being lied to by the MSM.

 

That's all I'm saying on the matter before you all pick on me. I can't be bothered putting you all in your place either.

 

Normthebarman

 

You see what i mean from above, plenty time to try and cause arguments with no thoughts whatsoever about the links that were asked for or any research at all. Just childish ridicule.

[maroonlegions]

I have proof. Actual stone cold proof. That Aliens exist among us. I've conversed with them.

 

I also have proof of how to time travel. I've done it too.

 

However, kickback is the LAST place i would divulge this information. I intend on telling nobody actually.

 

Also, you are all absolute idiots with your heads in the sand for not seeing the proof that's out there. Just look at the evidence! Stop being lied to by the MSM.

 

That's all I'm saying on the matter before you all pick on me. I can't be bothered putting you all in your place either.

 

 

 

 

Actually i feel for you, get plastered, listen to some Doors and let all your frustration just fade away, then stick the cup final DVD on. 

[Norm]

Well no, they asked for links, links i know of were posted and then later ones i found, because i looked, not hard to do. I kept referring them back to the posts with links but they would rather spend that time arguing rather than actually looking at the links, plenty time to argue it would seem but none for research.

No you never. You said it was in previous posts, you didn't expand on which ones. There have been several posts, most with titles about UFO's. You can understand why people didn't look at those when you were talking about time travel, something different.

 

Now, we've since established what you were talking about wasn't time travel but the bending of space time, in which case then yes, you might expect to find more information on a clip regarding space travel. But that wasn't what people were expecting. If you'd said that at the start, I wouldn't have batted an eye lid. Considering the advancements in quantum entanglement, bending space time is perfectly plausible.

[maroonlegions]

Here is the actual design for NASAs future Warp drive starship.

 

Of course there is no delusions that this technology might not  ever come into reality but like all true  discovers they have to take root somehow and the more credible that root or primary starting point the better.

 

 Begs the question yet again, if this is only in theory by credible sources then what has been achieved from civilisations thousands of years ahead of us in  their evolutionary technology understanding. ??.  

 

As NASAs leading director of advanced propulsion physics Dr Harold White said below;

 

quote;

 "Existence proof for the practical application of a scientific idea can be a tipping point for technology development".

 

 Followed by ;

 

"Although this is just a tiny instance of the phenomena, it will be existence proof for the idea of perturbing space time-a "Chicago pile" moment, as it were. Recall that December of 1942 saw the first demonstration of a controlled nuclear reaction that generated a whopping half watt. This existence proof was followed by the activation of a ~ four megawatt reactor in November of 1943. "

 

 

 

 IXS-Enterprise (IXS-110);

 

Its called IXS-ENTERPRISE (IXS-110).  

 

QUOTE;

 

"The visuals become all the more engaging when its realized how Mark?s artistic acumen was directed by the technical work towards detecting warped spacetimes by Sonny White NASA and Icarus XP4 researcher. The design is thus more than just an imagining".

 

 

 

Anyone needing the time to engage in either social activities with mates or even have too much time on their hands with child care are advised to watch  the below talk presentation by Dr Harold White in installments. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

links;

• Daydreaming Beyond the Solar System with Warp Field Mechanics
• A Starship Worth Fighting For
• Starship Radiators

[Norm]

Is it an Alcubierre drive they plan on using?

[maroonlegions]

Was nosing through my rather large database of things that grab my attention , mainly space and NASAs exciting quest for habitable extra planets or those planets in their own solar systems orbiting around their parent suns. When i found this image of the first ever amature  image of an extra planet orbiting its sun other than our sun.

 

 

 

Actual extra planet orbiting its sun.

 

 

 

 

 

The three known planets of the star HR8799;

 

 

link; http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/exoplanet-detection-and-the-amateur-astronomer/

[niblick1874]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Live long and prosperity

[maroonlegions]

Is it an Alcubierre drive they plan on using?

 

Feck knows.  

 

NASA Alcubierre drive hopefully. 

[maroonlegions]

JAMBOMAN1512    You are going to love this site, credible as they come and very informative for those with their own telescopes.

 

Here are the links;

 

 

Exoplanet Observing for Amateurs: Book: http://brucegary.net/book_EOA/EOA.pdf

Dark Frame Subtraction Tutorial using Adobe Photoshop: http://www.takegreatpictures.com/photo-tips/digital-photography/dark-frame-subtraction-using-adobe-photoshop-br-by-chris-limone

CCD Image Calibration Guide: http://www.astrophoto.net/calibration.php

Image Calibration Guide: Darks and Flats: http://www.lefevre.darkhorizons.org/articles/proctutorialchap2.htm

Easy-to-understand Photometry Software: SalsaJ: http://www.handsonuniverse.org/ip/

Photometry with SalsaJ Software: http://www.euhou.net/docupload/files/salsaj.pdf

SalsaJ Exoplanet Light-Curve Tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPPOzWO5dY4

Python-based Program for Differential Photometry: https://code.google.com/p/oscaar/

List of Image Processing Programs for Teachers: http://www.phy.duke.edu/~kolena/imagepro.html

Research Article: Observations of Transiting Exoplanets with Differential Photometry:http://www.scientificterrapin.umd.edu/Fall2011/articles/exoplanets.php

[maroonlegions]

Liking the new  speaker for the Starship Congress, Rachel Armstrong,    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/rachel-armstrong-announced-as-first-speaker-for-starship-congress-2015/

[Norm]

Feck knows.

 

NASA Alcubierre drive hopefully.

It's an EM drive that also appears to warp space as an Alcubierre drive would as well.

 

No propellant but still goes forward. Seems to violate a major law of physics. I noticed they haven't actually released any of their findings for peer review yet. I'll file this under dubious until they release more info.

 

I always liked their warp bubble idea. We'd get to where we wanted to go but the ensuing shock wave would obliterate everything in front of us. Solves the problem of conquering any restless natives.

[maroonlegions]

It's an EM drive that also appears to warp space as an Alcubierre drive would as well.

 

No propellant but still goes forward. Seems to violate a major law of physics. I noticed they haven't actually released any of their findings for peer review yet. I'll file this under dubious until they release more info.

 

I always liked their warp bubble idea. We'd get to where we wanted to go but the ensuing shock wave would obliterate everything in front of us. Solves the problem of conquering any restless natives.

 

 

Well i would not go as far as dubious just yet, these are very credible individuals doing research based on possibilities and their research will open up avenues of more possibilities.

 

 It's a working progress and NASA seems happy to continue with this research.

 

When they feel its time for a peer review of any of their findings them  am sure they will not shy away from it.

 

Cheers for the info on the Alcubierre drive.

 

 

"The answer lies precisely in those laws of physics. Dr. White and other physicists have found loopholes in some mathematical equations?loopholes that indicate that warping the space-time fabric is indeed possible."  

"Working at NASA Eagleworks?a skunkworks operation deep at NASA's Johnson Space Center?Dr. White's team is trying to find proof of those loopholes. They have "initiated an interferometer test bed that will try to generate and detect a microscopic instance of a little warp bubble" using an instrument called the White-Juday Warp Field Interferometer."

http://gizmodo.com/5942634/nasa-starts-development-of-real-life-star-trek-warp-drive#_ga=1.191532010.1501281152.1436463351

[niblick1874]

No you never. You said it was in previous posts, you didn't expand on which ones. There have been several posts, most with titles about UFO's. You can understand why people didn't look at those when you were talking about time travel, something different.

 

Now, we've since established what you were talking about wasn't time travel but the bending of space time, in which case then yes, you might expect to find more information on a clip regarding space travel. But that wasn't what people were expecting. If you'd said that at the start, I wouldn't have batted an eye lid. Considering the advancements in quantum entanglement, bending space time is perfectly plausible.

You know as well as I he had no intention or interest in looking at any link. I don't blame Jamboman for telling him to go look for himself and nether should you. I've done it myself to many who come on threads such as these to troll insult and annoy and I will continue to do so.

[Norm]

You know as well as I he had no intention or interest in looking at any link. I don't blame Jamboman for telling him to go look for himself and nether should you. I've done it myself to many who come on threads such as these to troll insult and annoy and I will continue to do so.

I was the one who initially asked for it.

[Jamboman1512]

No you never. You said it was in previous posts, you didn't expand on which ones. There have been several posts, most with titles about UFO's. You can understand why people didn't look at those when you were talking about time travel, something different.

 

Now, we've since established what you were talking about wasn't time travel but the bending of space time, in which case then yes, you might expect to find more information on a clip regarding space travel. But that wasn't what people were expecting. If you'd said that at the start, I wouldn't have batted an eye lid. Considering the advancements in quantum entanglement, bending space time is perfectly plausible.

 

Ah yes, it would have been so hard to look. You seem to be implying that it is all my fault that people can't find thing for themselves even when it has been pointed out where to look, you also seem to think that i should be finding and posting links that fit other peoples busy schedule, you are obviously at the wind up, just more subtle than the others.

 

Essentially jump through time is what i said, i suppose it's my fault that you misinterpreted what i said also.

[Jamboman1512]

JAMBOMAN1512    You are going to love this site, credible as they come and very informative for those with their own telescopes.

 

Here are the links;

 

 

Exoplanet Observing for Amateurs: Book: http://brucegary.net/book_EOA/EOA.pdf

Dark Frame Subtraction Tutorial using Adobe Photoshop: http://www.takegreatpictures.com/photo-tips/digital-photography/dark-frame-subtraction-using-adobe-photoshop-br-by-chris-limone

CCD Image Calibration Guide: http://www.astrophoto.net/calibration.php

Image Calibration Guide: Darks and Flats: http://www.lefevre.darkhorizons.org/articles/proctutorialchap2.htm

Easy-to-understand Photometry Software: SalsaJ: http://www.handsonuniverse.org/ip/

Photometry with SalsaJ Software: http://www.euhou.net/docupload/files/salsaj.pdf

SalsaJ Exoplanet Light-Curve Tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPPOzWO5dY4

Python-based Program for Differential Photometry: https://code.google.com/p/oscaar/

List of Image Processing Programs for Teachers: http://www.phy.duke.edu/~kolena/imagepro.html

Research Article: Observations of Transiting Exoplanets with Differential Photometry:http://www.scientificterrapin.umd.edu/Fall2011/articles/exoplanets.php

 

Brilliant, cheers.

[Jamboman1512]

Ah yes, it would have been so hard to look. You seem to be implying that it is all my fault that people can't find thing for themselves even when it has been pointed out where to look, you also seem to think that i should be finding and posting links that fit other peoples busy schedule, you are obviously at the wind up, just more subtle than the others.

 

Essentially jump through time is what i said, i suppose it's my fault that you misinterpreted what i said also.

 

Here is exactly what i said "Your way of thinking only holds up if you believe the technology isn't advanced enough to essentially  jump through time, there is plenty credible evidence that that technology exists and we have known about it for years"

 

The conversation was quite clearly about traveling distances not through time.

[maroonlegions]

Brilliant, cheers.

 

 

Hope you find it informative and helpful.

 

Here is another very useful and informative site that shows the many ways one's beliefs or opinions and even intuition can be cleverly manipulated to suit those who find it hard in perceiving or accepting out of the ordinary incidents or viewpoints.  

 

Very poignant words below from the late Dr  Carl Sagan;

 

 

 

 

 

 

"...The chief deficiency I see in the skeptical movement is its polarization: Us vs. Them -- the sense that we have a monopoly on the truth; that those other people who believe in all these stupid doctrines are morons; that if you're sensible, you'll listen to us; and if not, to hell with you. This is nonconstructive. It does not get our message across. It condemns us to permanent minority status." - Carl Sagan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Selective Skepticism of PseudoSkeptics (Establishment Defender;

 

link;   http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/evidence.php

 

 

 

 

[Norm]

We're obviously not going to agree on this.

 

If you think I'm at the wind up, you're sorely mistaken. As far as I'm aware, I'm the only person in these discussions, aliens, bilderberg, 9/11, who's..

 

A) posted a link to support someone else's argument because they weren't sure how

 

B ) Appear to have explained to someone in more detail how the spaceship in the link they've posted actually works.

 

That's hardly the actions of someone at the wind up or someone who doesn't read links.

 

You asked earlier what my view on this is and maybe I should have expanded more to give you a better idea where I'm coming from. The thread is titled "Aliens" and if the question is "Do I believe in Aliens?" then the answer is yes, course I do. I've mentioned a few times on this board that I'd bet money on there being alien life in our solar system. With a bit of luck, we might even find it in my lifetime.

 

But have they visited us? No. Purely because the sheer size and age of the universe means the odds for it to happen are so far off the chart, I'd have to see it for my own eyes to believe it.

 

I'm probably going to bow out of this now. One good thing came out of this. I've been neglecting my science and nasa feeds for a while and this prompted me to go through it.

 

Some interesting stuff on black holes and some nifty new info on Charon.

[Jamboman1512]

Ok, we will have to agree to disagree, to me it seemed like you were very quick to champion for those other two, basically blaming me for them not doing the research to which the links were provided, a very strange view to take if as you say you are not at the wind up.

 

There are some great documentaries on youtube about black holes, i love that stuff also.

[maroonlegions]

So this remains a balanced and productive debate i will list below just a few of  the Government and civilian,(private), related UFO/Saucer projects.

 

I hope this serves as a timely reminder that the seer complexity for  any possible shifting out of  the possible off world origins and man made origins can leave one totally brain scrambled,   but for maintaining a healthy and constructive  and balanced approach so that both sides of the coin are given a fair hearing this short list is provided below;

 

 

These are a few of the US government's military "Saucer projects " that were in operation from the mid 50s right up to the late 1970s.

 

These include;

 

Military;

 

1;  Project Silverbug)

 

2; Avrocar

 

3;  Pye Packet.  W Directory of U.S. Military Rockets and Missiles, Appendix 4

 

Civilian/Private;

 

1; 

 

2;  X-50A 

[maroonlegions]

We're obviously not going to agree on this.

 

If you think I'm at the wind up, you're sorely mistaken. As far as I'm aware, I'm the only person in these discussions, aliens, bilderberg, 9/11, who's..

 

A) posted a link to support someone else's argument because they weren't sure how

 

B ) Appear to have explained to someone in more detail how the spaceship in the link they've posted actually works.

 

That's hardly the actions of someone at the wind up or someone who doesn't read links.

 

You asked earlier what my view on this is and maybe I should have expanded more to give you a better idea where I'm coming from. The thread is titled "Aliens" and if the question is "Do I believe in Aliens?" then the answer is yes, course I do. I've mentioned a few times on this board that I'd bet money on there being alien life in our solar system. With a bit of luck, we might even find it in my lifetime.

 

But have they visited us? No. Purely because the sheer size and age of the universe means the odds for it to happen are so far off the chart, I'd have to see it for my own eyes to believe it.

 

I'm probably going to bow out of this now. One good thing came out of this. I've been neglecting my science and nasa feeds for a while and this prompted me to go through it.

 

Some interesting stuff on black holes and some nifty new info on Charon.

 

 

While i respect your views on why you think we could not  be visited  i always ask this question, what if there was advanced intelligences that are that far advanced that they have succeeded in making the technology capable of interstellar travel that NASA are working on and who think its a plausible possibility that some day we will understand how to go about it.

 

What if that technology was based on not getting from one point in space to another by means of thrust force but by actually manipulating space and time by advanced warp drive systems.

 

Who is to say that this technology has already been achieved by civilisations way ahead of us in evolutionary technological understanding.

 

I also think  that many would agree that science in its current state does not know all there is to know about everything  at present and those that claim it is are to me prematurely trying to shut the door on any future possible advancements in technology  that would help humanity  traverse the billions of galaxies out there.

 

Has science in its current understanding offered up any solid  proof that advanced civilisations beyond our solar system have not acquired  the technological advancements needed to travel such distances through advanced warp drive technologies??   Or indeed that the latter is not possible??

 

Of course the other side of that coin is a debatable one too but what is a possibility of not possible until proven not so.

 

Glads this thread as ignited your interest in space and NASA though.

[deesidejambo]

Of course anything is "possible".   Its "possible" for mankind to evolve wings and flyunaided to the moon.

 

However you mix possibility with reasonable probability.

 

It is highly probable that other life exists in the universe.  Very few, if any, scientists doubt that.

 

However the probability that they are zooming around in spaceships on earth for the last 50 years, mutilating cows and anal-probing hilbillies is very unlikely.

 

Suns and planets only have a finite lifetime.   For a civilisation to evolve and create the required technology requires time, and that time is limited by the lifetime of the planet in question.

 

So these very advanced civilistions that have mastered time-travel just fly around in saucers in earth atmosphere, making crop circles and spooky videos for You Tube?    Why do they do that?   All they can think of when they get here is to mutilate some cows?

[Jamboman1512]

Even ML can show that all that structures on the moon stuff was debunked years ago.  But gullible fools will still believe it anyway.

 

ML, is that true, have all the moon structures been debunked years ago?

 

Still wondering what you believe in deeside, as you never answered before.

[Norm]

While i respect your views on why you think we could not be visited i always ask this question, what if there was advanced intelligences that are that far advanced that they have succeeded in making the technology capable of interstellar travel that NASA are working on and who think its a plausible possibility that some day we will understand how to go about it.

 

What if that technology was based on not getting from one point in space to another by means of thrust force but by actually manipulating space and time by advanced warp drive systems.

 

Who is to say that this technology has already been achieved by civilisations way ahead of us in evolutionary technological understanding.

 

I also think that many would agree that science in its current state does not know all there is to know about everything at present and those that claim it is are to me prematurely trying to shut the door on any future possible advancements in technology that would help humanity traverse the billions of galaxies out there.

 

Has science in its current understanding offered up any solid proof that advanced civilisations beyond our solar system have not acquired the technological advancements needed to travel such distances through advanced warp drive technologies?? Or indeed that the latter is not possible??

 

Of course the other side of that coin is a debatable one too but what is a possibility of not possible until proven not so.

 

Glads this thread as ignited your interest in space and NASA though.

Even if a civilisation had overcome all the hurdles in it's way to get to a stage where it could get that advanced, you're still left with the fact that they'd have to have chosen to come here instead of the hundreds of billions of other planets they could've picked in the short, in cosmic terms, period of time we've been here.

 

Lets say for arguments sake that there is a civilisation that's cracked it. Now, there's thought to be 2 billion planets in our galaxy that may be capable of being life sustaining. There's a trillion galaxies. So let's say there's another 2 billion LS planets in those as well.

 

By my calculations, if a species had worked out how to travel to one of those planets and get all the information they need every second, it'd take them 6000000000000 years to go through them all.

 

I work that out as a 20,000?1 chance for them to come here at any point during the Earth's existence. You're looking at a 350000000-1 shot that they'd come here at some point during our existence.

 

When you couple that with the odds for any of these planets to have evolved a life form capable of actually being able to do this, well, as I say, it's crazy numbers.

[Maple Leaf]

Even if a civilisation had overcome all the hurdles in it's way to get to a stage where it could get that advanced, you're still left with the fact that they'd have to have chosen to come here instead of the hundreds of billions of other planets they could've picked in the short, in cosmic terms, period of time we've been here.

 

Lets say for arguments sake that there is a civilisation that's cracked it. Now, there's thought to be 2 billion planets in our galaxy that may be capable of being life sustaining. There's a trillion galaxies. So let's say there's another 2 billion LS planets in those as well.

 

By my calculations, if a species had worked out how to travel to one of those planets and get all the information they need every second, it'd take them 6000000000000 years to go through them all.

 

I work that out as a 20,000?1 chance for them to come here at any point during the Earth's existence. You're looking at a 350000000-1 shot that they'd come here at some point during our existence.

 

When you couple that with the odds for any of these planets to have evolved a life form capable of actually being able to do this, well, as I say, it's crazy numbers.

 

Interesting numbers.  But there are people who believe that alien visitors have already been here, and will point to the Nazca lines in South America as proof.

 

I put myself in the camp of the sceptics.  Think of all the millions upon millions of species that have existed or currently exist on earth, and only one of those species has ever developed any kind of technological skills.  And the furthest any human has ever got from our home planet is a miserable 250,000 miles ... 2 light seconds.

[Bordeaux 03]

Of all the arguments in regard to the existence of intelligent life the one that assumes it is all being covered up is actually one of the most boring. Here are a few taken from http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

 

Possibility 1) Super-intelligent life could very well have already visited Earth, but before we were here.

 

Possibility 2) The galaxy has been colonized, but we just live in some desolate rural area of the galaxy.

 

Possibility 3) The entire concept of physical colonization is a hilariously backward concept to a more advanced species.

 

Possibility 4) There are scary predator civilizations out there, and most intelligent life knows better than to broadcast any outgoing signals and advertise their location.

 

Possibility 5) There?s only one instance of higher-intelligent life?a ?superpredator? civilization (like humans are here on Earth)?who is far more advanced than everyone else and keeps it that way by exterminating any intelligent civilization once they get past a certain level.

 

Possibility 6) There?s plenty of activity and noise out there, but our technology is too primitive and we?re listening for the wrong things.

 

Possibility 7) We are receiving contact from other intelligent life, but the government is hiding it.

 

Possibility 8) Higher civilizations are aware of us and observing us (AKA the ?Zoo Hypothesis?).

 

Possibility 9) Higher civilizations are here, all around us. But we?re too primitive to perceive them.

[Jamboman1512]

Of all the arguments in regard to the existence of intelligent life the one that assumes it is all being covered up is actually one of the most boring. Here are a few taken from http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

 

Possibility 1) Super-intelligent life could very well have already visited Earth, but before we were here.

 

Possibility 2) The galaxy has been colonized, but we just live in some desolate rural area of the galaxy.

 

Possibility 3) The entire concept of physical colonization is a hilariously backward concept to a more advanced species.

 

Possibility 4) There are scary predator civilizations out there, and most intelligent life knows better than to broadcast any outgoing signals and advertise their location.

 

Possibility 5) There?s only one instance of higher-intelligent life?a ?superpredator? civilization (like humans are here on Earth)?who is far more advanced than everyone else and keeps it that way by exterminating any intelligent civilization once they get past a certain level.

 

Possibility 6) There?s plenty of activity and noise out there, but our technology is too primitive and we?re listening for the wrong things.

 

Possibility 7) We are receiving contact from other intelligent life, but the government is hiding it.

 

Possibility 8) Higher civilizations are aware of us and observing us (AKA the ?Zoo Hypothesis?).

 

Possibility 9) Higher civilizations are here, all around us. But we?re too primitive to perceive them.

 

For you that may be the case, not for many others.

[niblick1874]

We're obviously not going to agree on this.

 

If you think I'm at the wind up, you're sorely mistaken. As far as I'm aware, I'm the only person in these discussions, aliens, bilderberg, 9/11, who's..

 

A) posted a link to support someone else's argument because they weren't sure how

 

B ) Appear to have explained to someone in more detail how the spaceship in the link they've posted actually works.

 

That's hardly the actions of someone at the wind up or someone who doesn't read links.

 

You asked earlier what my view on this is and maybe I should have expanded more to give you a better idea where I'm coming from. The thread is titled "Aliens" and if the question is "Do I believe in Aliens?" then the answer is yes, course I do. I've mentioned a few times on this board that I'd bet money on there being alien life in our solar system. With a bit of luck, we might even find it in my lifetime.

 

But have they visited us? No. Purely because the sheer size and age of the universe means the odds for it to happen are so far off the chart, I'd have to see it for my own eyes to believe it.

 

I'm probably going to bow out of this now. One good thing came out of this. I've been neglecting my science and nasa feeds for a while and this prompted me to go through it.

 

Some interesting stuff on black holes and some nifty new info on Charon.

Concerning A, I remember that. You asked me to do something and I did. I then suggested that you could put up the two (yes there were two and you knew it) links to which you told me you would think about it if I did something else. I did as you asked and you came back and said fare enough and put up one link. The link that you put up was not that important however the one that you ignored was the one that not only backed up what I was saying but proved that what I was saying was an undisputed fact that would have sent scurrying all those (and there were a few) that were trolling. I thanked you for putting up the one that you did and at the same time pointed out that you had omitted to post the link to the important one. You ignored this and went on your merry way which spoke volumes to me. Hardly a ringing endorsement. You also said that it may surprise me to find out that you were once a "believer" in all the conspiracy stuff but once you had gone back and looked at the debunking stuff it had changed your mind. ( anyone with any common cense that takes a sideways glance at Sandy Hook and does not think the hole thing stinks is at it, but I digress). You are the only one that (if what you say is true) I have come across in my life that this has happened to. In saying this you are not insulting and do not attempt to drag the thread all over the place to dilute and distract from the point of the discussion.

[niblick1874]

I feel a bit guilty about riding the wave and sucking up all the wonderful stuff that Maroonlegions and Jamboman 1512 ( amongst others) have contributed to this thread and I would just like to say that I appreciate it.  Stellar work chaps, thanks.     

[Norm]

Concerning A, I remember that. You asked me to do something and I did. I then suggested that you could put up the two (yes there were two and you knew it) links to which you told me you would think about it if I did something else. I did as you asked and you came back and said fare enough and put up one link. The link that you put up was not that important however the one that you ignored was the one that not only backed up what I was saying but proved that what I was saying was an undisputed fact that would have sent scurrying all those (and there were a few) that were trolling. I thanked you for putting up the one that you did and at the same time pointed out that you had omitted to post the link to the important one. You ignored this and went on your merry way which spoke volumes to me. Hardly a ringing endorsement. You also said that it may surprise me to find out that you were once a "believer" in all the conspiracy stuff but once you had gone back and looked at the debunking stuff it had changed your mind. ( anyone with any common cense that takes a sideways glance at Sandy Hook and does not think the hole thing stinks is at it, but I digress). You are the only one that (if what you say is true) I have come across in my life that this has happened to. In saying this you are not insulting and do not attempt to drag the thread all over the place to dilute and distract from the point of the discussion.

 

Ooops. I genuinely thought I'd posted the one that backed up your claims best! The other one made erroneous scientific claims in the first 30 seconds in my opinion. I'm not going to get in to it again though, so I'll leave it at that.

[niblick1874]

Of course anything is "possible".   Its "possible" for mankind to evolve wings and flyunaided to the moon.

 

However you mix possibility with reasonable probability.

 

It is highly probable that other life exists in the universe.  Very few, if any, scientists doubt that.

 

However the probability that they are zooming around in spaceships on earth for the last 50 years, mutilating cows and anal-probing hilbillies is very unlikely.

 

Suns and planets only have a finite lifetime.   For a civilisation to evolve and create the required technology requires time, and that time is limited by the lifetime of the planet in question.

 

So these very advanced civilistions that have mastered time-travel just fly around in saucers in earth atmosphere, making crop circles and spooky videos for You Tube?    Why do they do that?   All they can think of when they get here is to mutilate some cows?

You and your ilk stick out like a sore thumb on this thread for all to see. Your credibility is shot

[Norm]

You and your ilk stick out like a sore thumb on this thread for all to see. Your credibility is shot

Except his credibility isn't shot. Although worded a bit colourfully, his main point is that it's unlikely that aliens are here.

 

As I posted earlier, that's completely accurate. It's a 350 million to one shot that they've been here in the last 180,000 years, never mind being here in the last 50.

[niblick1874]

 

Ooops. I genuinely thought I'd posted the one that backed up your claims best! The other one made erroneous scientific claims in the first 30 seconds in my opinion. I'm not going to get in to it again though, so I'll leave it at that.

In your opinion? The way to go would have been to follow threw on your promise. You manipulated it therefor what you did was worse than not doing it atoll.

[Riddley Walker]

The paranoid defensive clan are even turning on the people being more than reasonable to them.

[niblick1874]

Except his credibility isn't shot. Although worded a bit colourfully, his main point is that it's unlikely that aliens are here.

 

As I posted earlier, that's completely accurate. It's a 350 million to one shot that they've been here in the last 180,000 years, never mind being here in the last 50.

His credibility has nothing to do with anything you posted earlier.  Your desperate and transparently skewed attempt at backing him only puts you in the same boat as him.

[Norm]

I don't know why I bother.

[niblick1874]

I don't know why I bother.

I do, but it's not working

[Norm]

I do, but it's not working

 

Do you? Then please tell me! Because I'm genuinely at a loss as to why now. I've been civil, reasonable, explained my reasoning, posted links and, I'd like to think, shown that I'm not exactly uninformed about the subject. Yet I'm now having my motivation and character called in to question.

 

It's beginning to seem that what others have said is correct. That the simple act of having a different opinion gets you labeled as a "troll" or "wind up" merchant.

[maroonlegions]

Even if a civilisation had overcome all the hurdles in it's way to get to a stage where it could get that advanced, you're still left with the fact that they'd have to have chosen to come here instead of the hundreds of billions of other planets they could've picked in the short, in cosmic terms, period of time we've been here.

 

Lets say for arguments sake that there is a civilisation that's cracked it. Now, there's thought to be 2 billion planets in our galaxy that may be capable of being life sustaining. There's a trillion galaxies. So let's say there's another 2 billion LS planets in those as well.

 

By my calculations, if a species had worked out how to travel to one of those planets and get all the information they need every second, it'd take them 6000000000000 years to go through them all.

 

I work that out as a 20,000?1 chance for them to come here at any point during the Earth's existence. You're looking at a 350000000-1 shot that they'd come here at some point during our existence.

 

When you couple that with the odds for any of these planets to have evolved a life form capable of actually being able to do this, well, as I say, it's crazy numbers.

 

 

Of course your remit is based entirely on what we know just now and you have also  added your own speculative reasons on why any intelligence would want to visit here.

 

That question is unanswerable just now, we can speculate but never truly know.

 

Of course you have not added your equation of just how fast they would get here, in what form and as there is no science on offer just now to tell how long it would take to get  here if the wormhole technology was used , who knows??

 

Also what if time itself was manipulated and space too as some astrophysicists have said.

 

Science just does not know at present and as you say the number of possible advanced intelligences that could have the tech are massive too.#

 

Do we know what kind of technological advances they have??

[Norm]

Of course your remit is based entirely on what we know just now and you have also added your own speculative reasons on why any intelligence would want to visit here.

 

That question is unanswerable just now, we can speculate but never truly know.

 

Of course you have not added your equation of just how fast they would get here, in what form and as there is no science on offer just now to tell how long it would take to get here if the wormhole technology was used , who knows??

 

Also what if time itself was manipulated and space too as some astrophysicists have said.

 

Science just does not know at present and as you say the number of possible advanced intelligences that could have the tech are massive too.#

 

Do we know what kind of technological advances they have??

The figures I gave assumed the vessel would arrive at a planet, spend 1 second gathering every piece of information they could and then instantaneously move to another planet to do the same. Those figures are, quite generously, assuming no time is actually spent travelling from planet to planet.

[niblick1874]

Do you? Then please tell me! Because I'm genuinely at a loss as to why now. I've been civil, reasonable, explained my reasoning, posted links and, I'd like to think, shown that I'm not exactly uninformed about the subject. Yet I'm now having my motivation and character called in to question.

 

It's beginning to seem that what others have said is correct. That the simple act of having a different opinion gets you labeled as a "troll" or "wind up" merchant.

Defending blatant wined up merchants in the way you did will get you that. I did not disagree with what he said nor the manner in which he said it. I tolled him he stuck out like a sore thumb, which he does. You could have agree with what I said or disagree but you came on and made up something that I had not done so you could tell me he had a point about something I hadn't mentioned, Did you think I wouldn't notice that. maybe you didn't and that is why you are surprised at my reaction. Then there are the other things I mentioned a short while ago. You having a different opinion than others has nothing to do with it as you well know but the fact that you say that it is beginning to look like it does make a difference to me does.

[Cigaro]

Wow, some thread this. Some people have even managed to write in coherent sentences and paragraphs. Only some, mind.

[Der Kaiser]

I'd recommend "They Live" to the alien doubters and those who believe that governments aren't heavily involved in the conspiracy to keep their existence amongst us secret.

 

I think Roderick Piper is the guy who narrates this documentary. Well worth a watch.

[Norm]

I'd recommend "They Live" to the alien doubters and those who believe that governments aren't heavily involved in the conspiracy to keep their existence amongst us secret.

 

I think Roderick Piper is the guy who narrates this documentary. Well worth a watch.

"Put on the damn glasses!"

[Der Kaiser]

"Put on the damn glasses!"

That scene.........that scene..........

 

I was an emotional wreck after that.

[Norm]

That scene.........that scene..........

 

I was an emotional wreck after that.

It was when he ran out of bubblegum that got me.

[Governor Tarkin]

Your way of thinking only holds up if you believe the technology isn't advanced enough to essentially jump through time, there is plenty credible evidence that that technology exists and we have known about it for years.

 

I base my opinions on the evidence i have seen, what is the base of your opinion?

 

Sorry, Man, that's funny.

[maroonlegions]

Of course anything is "possible".   Its "possible" for mankind to evolve wings and flyunaided to the moon.

 

However you mix possibility with reasonable probability.

 

It is highly probable that other life exists in the universe.  Very few, if any, scientists doubt that.

 

However the probability that they are zooming around in spaceships on earth for the last 50 years, mutilating cows and anal-probing hilbillies is very unlikely.

 

Suns and planets only have a finite lifetime.   For a civilisation to evolve and create the required technology requires time, and that time is limited by the lifetime of the planet in question.

 

So these very advanced civilistions that have mastered time-travel just fly around in saucers in earth atmosphere, making crop circles and spooky videos for You Tube?    Why do they do that?   All they can think of when they get here is to mutilate some cows?

 

 

Seriously, WTF, that was written by a 10 year old right who has just been told he cannot get his own way on something.

 

Your first point on anything is possible is flawed right away , why , let's look at your choice of metaphor in relation for my perception of  the possibility of intelligences having the technology to get here.

 

You said that its possible for mankind to evolve wings and fly unaided to the moon, are you seriously using that as a serious constraint in your argument that  it in anyway is a comparable possibility to intelligences being really beyond our understanding at present and having technology not even thought about by science today.?? 

 

You also  said that it's me that mixes possibility with reasonable probability, seriously, is trying to compare an utter flawed possibility of man evolving wings and flying unaided to the moon  a comparable and justifiable rebuttal of a very real plausible and probable possibility of intelligences having advanced technology??  Of course its not but you know that any way, the trick is when trying to ridicule someone it needs to be watertight and requires some actual thought and not just  ad hominem generalisations that  have no fondations.

 

Your obsession with wee green men buzzing about in cornfields making pretty patterns is one i find rather amusing to say the least and as you know very well i have never stated such things.

 

Can you show where i have ever indicated that hillbillies are being anal probed and that wee green men are mutilating cattle.

 

Not the first time i have requested  this off you is it. lol;

 

Is it not  time you changed that rather tiresome and boring line, the utterings of someone of so little knowledge on the vastness of the UFO subject and the  actual volume of credibility and credible sources from a historical perspective.

 

Are you  now an expert on the life times of planets outside our solar system never mind galaxies because  you have completely misunderstood or rather probably ignored the primary point of my post concerning any possible off earth  intelligences visiting earth , the point was not about TIME , it was about using worms holes as a mean of travel in a very short time to travel vast distances??

 

There lots of credible astrophysics who sustain that wormholes and advanced warp drive systems could the means of faster than light travel to only other galaxies but other dimensions.

 

Have you  read anything about the possible manipulation of space TIME  and space is self, warp drive systems and wormholes in space is were quantum mechanics , one avenue of physics that is beginning to perceive the above possibilities and yes probability too.

 

Can you list any scientific peer reviewed journal that proves that there is no possibility at all, ever, of advanced intergalactic intelligences  having the required technology to manipulate not only SPACE TIME as we know it but space its self through the usage of wormholes and warp drive systems, NASA is even working on warp drive systems  i my add.

 

You are either not paying any real attention to detail in my post you replied to or that there is a genuine misunderstanding or you have a genuine dislike for anyone who show interest or perceives that possibility of a ET hypothesis is as credible and possible as intelligences manipulating space and time through unknown technologies.  

 

There is also another science to consider in your "time" argument regarding  a extra planets life span, its called "terraforming" or the ability to manipulate a planet's atmosphere  to make it habitual.

 

What's the possibility of superior intelligences having the technology to not only manipulate time and space but to jump from one planet to another or terraforming planets or even manipulating space time to get to other galaxies therefore rendering your "time" argument as possibly non applicable.= in their reality and not ours.

 

I have also gave my reasons on why the time restraints of any possible visitation as one of observation with no or minimal contact due to a  non involvement  on a species evolution. Do we even know how long any ET intelligence can live for, are we to base it on our time restraint?? There are so many questions that need answering and so many possibilities when it comes to the very  nature of the physical or dimensional make up of any possible ET intelligence that to dismiss  time ans space manipulation and terraforming is premature  speculation.