Destruction Derby Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 If I can give u any advice (from my perspective)....dont start off playing the cash games on the big sites (full of pros)...learn your trade playing cheap tourneys it will be a lot differant from your home games with mates Where is the best place for the tourneys, joined PKR and Betfair poker but cant really say i'm that keen on either tbh. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Think I'm done for the night. Working these days I can't stay up late anymore!! Plus made about ?100 today so don't want to play more, lose and go in a bad mood before bed! Sky balance up to ?1,650. work huh..bummer:2: fair enuff, catch you later:qqb003: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) Alternatively you could pay one of us for lessons. Can I suggest the person who won the last time we all played? that'll be me then oh you mean the online game ...yes, that was u champ.....pity i screwed up with getting registered....bring on the 2000th post game:saddam: Edited March 19, 2009 by Era Macaroons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Where is the best place for the tourneys, joined PKR and Betfair poker but cant really say i'm that keen on either tbh. Cheers betfair was dire....i used it initially when i first started playing, they were on a network (same as hills/interpoker were) but decided they were big enough to go it alone but it pure sucked so i left Poker stars will cover all your wishes!! big tourneys with huge prizes , or fields of 180,90,45,27,18 or less ...take your pick , also have large variety of stakes not used PKR erm...you could try sky poker ...begginers welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I've just had a look at who's left, I'm going to say matty666, NIHIGHGUN and goonerjay will make the final table, I know matty666 is current chip leader but I've seen him do well a few times so I think he'll go far, NIHIGH and gooner are both good players as well. EDIT: they are all on the same table as well (table 5) 2nd EDIT: NIHIGH has just been moved. bit later ...but ill pick 'Starling' typing as his 2s hold up oh...only 3 left and hes chip leader...what a geat choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destruction Derby Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Cheers Era, Think i will whack a few spondoolies into pokerstars when i get paid and see how i get on, give it a few tourneys and a may be joining you'se on sky poker............. hopefully anyway. Cheers again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Cheers Era, Think i will whack a few spondoolies into pokerstars when i get paid and see how i get on, give it a few tourneys and a may be joining you'se on sky poker............. hopefully anyway. Cheers again. No sweat..gl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 bit later ...but ill pick 'Starling' typing as his 2s hold up oh...only 3 left and hes chip leader...what a geat choice My 3 predictions 7th, 6th and 5th. Starling finished 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Dream table for me would be: Hellmuth Dwan Ivey Matusow Negreanu and for the record, I love Tony G, I think he's hilarious! BRING ON THE RUSSIANS! with you on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Dwan v Hellmuth Heads up Championship http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY3b27vZwYk Dwan; "That's why you lose money online" In years to come, this will be a classic match-up, Dwan v Hellmuth - completely different views of the game and both equally competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Cheers Era, Think i will whack a few spondoolies into pokerstars when i get paid and see how i get on, give it a few tourneys and a may be joining you'se on sky poker............. hopefully anyway. Cheers again. I play on Pokerstars a fair bit. Joking aside from my previous post, if you want to play a few S&Gs and get feedback on what you did well or badly (not collusion though, hate when people are obviously working together!) let me know your name on there and when you're playing. Not suggesting I'm some master (before anyone thinks I'm up myself!) but it can be useful when you're starting out to have to explain your thought process behind making various plays to somebody else, or have somebody suggest different ways of playing the same hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 we should all meet up at someones house on a friday night. Then log into our accounts and play for 30 mins each, after each other, with everyone watching and we can all offer helpful advice.. Or laugh when you bust out. Then we can get the chips out and play a game ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 we should all meet up at someones house on a friday night. Then log into our accounts and play for 30 mins each, after each other, with everyone watching and we can all offer helpful advice.. Or laugh when you bust out. Then we can get the chips out and play a game ourselves. That actually sounds like a decent idea! Who's going to volunteer their flat then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I upgraded the new wh poker last nite but it wouldnt run after installing it. Anyone have the same problem? Maybe time to join another site. Any decent sign up deals on the go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 That actually sounds like a decent idea! Who's going to volunteer their flat then? Mines too small. Thing is, I'd actually play different if someone was watching me, try more moves than usual! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Mines too small. Thing is, I'd actually play different if someone was watching me, try more moves than usual! How could you actually try more moves? Is 100% of the time not enough then? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted March 20, 2009 Author Share Posted March 20, 2009 How could you actually try more moves? Is 100% of the time not enough then? lol What are you trying to say? That I play like a nut? Believe it or not I play a pretty solid game 95% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 That actually sounds like a decent idea! Who's going to volunteer their flat then? ok , i can make it round to yours, just name the date:earmuffs: and make it a few weeks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I upgraded the new wh poker last nite but it wouldnt run after installing it. Anyone have the same problem? Maybe time to join another site. Any decent sign up deals on the go? I couldnt get in for a while as well poss they had some teething probs...ok now tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 I've just finished 4th in the sky ?1K BH. I was the short stack with 30,000, blinds at 2k/4k. I pushed with AJ of spades, I get a caller (no problem with the call, especially in a BH) he had A6 of clubs. The flop has 2 clubs. Turn a blank, river a 6!!! He did have a few outs, I was a 75/25 favourite on the river, it happens. I won ?35 in bounties and ?80 for 4th. I withdrew ?100 from my account though, teach sky a lesson for giving me a bad beat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destruction Derby Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 I play on Pokerstars a fair bit. Joking aside from my previous post, if you want to play a few S&Gs and get feedback on what you did well or badly (not collusion though, hate when people are obviously working together!) let me know your name on there and when you're playing. Not suggesting I'm some master (before anyone thinks I'm up myself!) but it can be useful when you're starting out to have to explain your thought process behind making various plays to somebody else, or have somebody suggest different ways of playing the same hands. That could be a good shout, once i have an account and got some money into it i will either post my name on here or PM you it. Any help would be greately appreciated as i'm just getting used to online poker. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Wiseau Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Played in the Sky ?500 GTD invitation freeroll last night. Was doing well, 4th highest chip stack in the tournament and down to the last 60 players, but I was meeting a mate for a couple of pints and had to hurry things up. Pushed all in with J10 suited, came up against pocket Jacks! Ended up out in 58th! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Alright lads, love this read although i've only posted on it a few times (just lazyiness because poker stories are not generally brief), but gonna buck that trend today. Play on pokerstars regularly but i've noticed that you guys often comment that it's donktastic on skypoker, so i fired a ?10 in today. Just playing small buy in tournaments and cashed in first couple, not serious money but i wanted to test the waters. Seems like the standard is much lower than pokerstars and folk will play and call you down with any two cards. Anyway, to the reason i'm posting. Almost every tournament today (i've been in about 5), some idiot has went all in on the first hand. This is a ridiculous play with the blinds this small and i just folded evey time up until just now. Started a ?5.50 freezeout, and some doughnut went all in first hand. I've had enough and wake up with A 10 suited. I call and he has 8 2. The boy spikes an 8 on the flop, the turn and the river bring fark all and i'm out on my backside before it's even began. Raging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Alright lads, love this read although i've only posted on it a few times (just lazyiness because poker stories are not generally brief), but gonna buck that trend today. Play on pokerstars regularly but i've noticed that you guys often comment that it's donktastic on skypoker, so i fired a ?10 in today. Just playing small buy in tournaments and cashed in first couple, not serious money but i wanted to test the waters. Seems like the standard is much lower than pokerstars and folk will play and call you down with any two cards. Anyway, to the reason i'm posting. Almost every tournament today (i've been in about 5), some idiot has went all in on the first hand. This is a ridiculous play with the blinds this small and i just folded evey time up until just now. Started a ?5.50 freezeout, and some doughnut went all in first hand. I've had enough and wake up with A 10 suited. I call and he has 8 2. The boy spikes an 8 on the flop, the turn and the river bring fark all and i'm out on my backside before it's even began. Raging! Personally got no sympathy for you calling all in first hand with A 10. I know its frustrating when people do those kind of plays but if you really believe that the level of player is quite low then your bound to get opportunities to accumulate chips against these weaker players. I dont even call a raise with A 10 during the first few levels, unless its against certain players, never mind all ins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Personally got no sympathy for you calling all in first hand with A 10. I know its frustrating when people do those kind of plays but if you really believe that the level of player is quite low then your bound to get opportunities to accumulate chips against these weaker players. I dont even call a raise with A 10 during the first few levels, unless its against certain players, never mind all ins. I did pre-empt your response slightly, and it is a move that i would normally never make but sometimes you just want to make an idiot pay in the most brutal way as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I did pre-empt your response slightly, and it is a move that i would normally never make but sometimes you just want to make an idiot pay in the most brutal way as possible. And he did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 And he did! So i'm the idiot when he was all in with rag rag? I know my call is a bad play but a bad beat is a bad beat. I detect some poker snoberry here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 The only thing I can say No Nonsense is that is it really worth risking your tourney first hand with an AT when at best your likely to be a 60/40 favourite and there is also the possibility of being an underdog. You'll know yourself that you will be likely to find a better spot than that for sticking your money in... Had another pretty good weekend myself. Up ?100 on Skypoker on Fri night, up ?260 at casino cash game last night and just won ?150 on Sky again just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 The only thing I can say No Nonsense is that is it really worth risking your tourney first hand with an AT when at best your likely to be a 60/40 favourite and there is also the possibility of being an underdog. You'll know yourself that you will be likely to find a better spot than that for sticking your money in... Had another pretty good weekend myself. Up ?100 on Skypoker on Fri night, up ?260 at casino cash game last night and just won ?150 on Sky again just now. Your all right, and I know that myself. It was just the build up of it having happened to me many times allready at the start of every MTT that i played that day. Call it a Mike Matasow blow up if you will. Nice one on the weekend winnings:sorcerer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 So i'm the idiot when he was all in with rag rag? I know my call is a bad play but a bad beat is a bad beat. I detect some poker snoberry here Why would you ever enter a tournament and call in pre-flop with a garbage hand? And then complain that you ended up losing the hand, when the truth of the matter is you lost your patience and decided to to have a gamble and it never paid of. Don't get me wrong, pushing all-in first hand with any cards, even if its AA is dumb. But in many ways calling with the A 10 is worse. Its not poker snoberry, its good sense. And its definatley not a bad beat, the guy had about 35% chance of winning the hand after the cards went over. For you to be dominating you had to be up against A rag, any other hands are live. All in preflop AK vs AQ and AQ (23%) wins is a reasonabley bad beat. but your still only winning it 3 out of 4 times. All in preflop AK vs QJ(35%) and QJ wins isnt a bad beat in my opinion. (not saying QJ is a good hand, just trying to point out that even if the guy has two undercards to your big slick he isnt completely dominated he ends up winning 35 times from a 100. In my opinion you want to accumulate chips by punishing the weaker players when the right opportuities present themselves, not by sticking all your chips in the middle and having a gamble. Now this poker snobs got to go and check that his butler has polished the ferrari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 If you bet you can win in 2 ways. You can win with the cards or they can fold. If you call, you can only win in 1 manner, I (try to) very rarely call all in.. I always want to be the person putting my chips in first. I know that the 5% will occasionally beat me, and the 40% will beat me a lot. I would never call an all in with A10 when my M-ratio was so high. Definition of "M" = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-ratio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Don't get me wrong, pushing all-in first hand with any cards, even if its AA is dumb. That's obviously wrong. The only time you'd fold AA preflop is if you were on a final table as a short stack and there were 2 or more people all-in and where the prize money gap between where you are and where you might end up is life-changing. You don't fold aces preflop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 You don't fold aces preflop. If 6 people were all in before you. Whats the odds of you winning then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Nonsense Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Why would you ever enter a tournament and call in pre-flop with a garbage hand? And then complain that you ended up losing the hand, when the truth of the matter is you lost your patience and decided to to have a gamble and it never paid of. Don't get me wrong, pushing all-in first hand with any cards, even if its AA is dumb. But in many ways calling with the A 10 is worse. Its not poker snoberry, its good sense. And its definatley not a bad beat, the guy had about 35% chance of winning the hand after the cards went over. For you to be dominating you had to be up against A rag, any other hands are live. All in preflop AK vs AQ and AQ (23%) wins is a reasonabley bad beat. but your still only winning it 3 out of 4 times. All in preflop AK vs QJ(35%) and QJ wins isnt a bad beat in my opinion. (not saying QJ is a good hand, just trying to point out that even if the guy has two undercards to your big slick he isnt completely dominated he ends up winning 35 times from a 100. In my opinion you want to accumulate chips by punishing the weaker players when the right opportuities present themselves, not by sticking all your chips in the middle and having a gamble. Now this poker snobs got to go and check that his butler has polished the ferrari. Alright, I did aknowledge that i was aware it was a bad play. I have to also point out that I am still relatively new to the game (months rather than years). I wasn't actually aware it was that close a call (probably a classic schoolboy error), and regardless of that i had muchos chips left in comparison to the blinds, and thus should have folded and looked to pick the dude off when i was in control. As for my M in that situation- i've just finished Harrington volume one and it aint covered until 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 If 6 people were all in before you. Whats the odds of you winning then? Unlikely situation except in a freeroll, but if you are in that kind of tournament you are going to have to take risks to get the chip-stack you need to progress against chipped up maniacs, so you'd probably be best to take the chance. Applying common sense - 999 times out of a 1,000 you are up against 1 or 2 all-in players. Of course any hand can win from a pre-flop situation, but in tournaments have to accumulate chips to advance and you won't much better than AA preflop. How many times have you folded AA preflop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 That's obviously wrong. The only time you'd fold AA preflop is if you were on a final table as a short stack and there were 2 or more people all-in and where the prize money gap between where you are and where you might end up is life-changing. You don't fold aces preflop. I wasn't saying you should fold AA, I was saying that just pushing all-in when then the blinds are so low isn't a good play. You raise or re-raise the appropriate amount. Unless there's been raises and reraises before you, and you want to isolate then you can push all in...but I was just stating the obvious really that whoever was at the guys table and just pushed all in on first hand, no matter what he was holding it was a stupid move..there was no mention of raises and re-raises before hand. And bigsmaks spot on with what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I wasn't saying you should fold AA, I was saying that just pushing all-in when then the blinds are so low isn't a good play. You raise or re-raise the appropriate amount. Unless there's been raises and reraises before you, and you want to isolate then you can push all in...but I was just stating the obvious really that whoever was at the guys table and just pushed all in on first hand, no matter what he was holding it was a stupid move..there was no mention of raises and re-raises before hand. And bigsmaks spot on with what he said. Re-reading it after reading your 2nd post I can totally see what you were saying and I agree. Bigsmak is correct, but theres always a ridiculous example that proves a point wrong. As I said, the only time that scenario might happen is in a freeroll type donkament and then you better call, because you WILL need to take huge risks to get through all the spazzies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm pretty close to hitting the 2k mark on Sky for the first time, up to ?1,930. Not sure what to do now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonieref Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm pretty close to hitting the 2k mark on Sky for the first time, up to ?1,930. Not sure what to do now!! You seem to be a bit of a free spirit and don't work well to structure so my only advice would be to try and play your best poker and dont jeopardise your roll by going up the stakes too quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm pretty close to hitting the 2k mark on Sky for the first time, up to ?1,930. Not sure what to do now!! Keep doing what you are doing. Don't break a good run. Consider your options if something changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm pretty close to hitting the 2k mark on Sky for the first time, up to ?1,930. Not sure what to do now!! move up stakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Thanks for the tips to Goonie and Melbourne, and a no thanks to Era for trying to get me to blow my roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonieref Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Thanks for the tips to Goonie and Melbourne, and a no thanks to Era for trying to get me to blow my roll. Mate can you please in next couple of days log onto sky poker at random times and see how many "full ring" cash tables are going at .25/50, 50/1 and 1/2, just want to see if there is enough traffic for multi-tabling before i try an open an account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Mate can you please in next couple of days log onto sky poker at random times and see how many "full ring" cash tables are going at .25/50, 50/1 and 1/2, just want to see if there is enough traffic for multi-tabling before i try an open an account. I could tell you right now if you are looking for 10 seater games then you won't get enough on Sky poker. Pretty much only 6 max ever gets played.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonieref Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I could tell you right now if you are looking for 10 seater games then you won't get enough on Sky poker. Pretty much only 6 max ever gets played.... Ok, is the standard regularly very poor at 6 max or do you just find quality donation once every so often? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Ok, is the standard regularly very poor at 6 max or do you just find quality donation once every so often? I'd say the standard at 25/50p is pretty low. 50/1 is a little tougher but on the whole very beatable. As you go up to 1/2 there is not many games and it seems to be the same players every day who seem to be of a decent standard. I've not ventured higher than 50/1 too many times on Sky, just visited the ?1.5/3 game on occassion if I'm fancying a shot at a bigger game for some thrills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm pretty close to hitting the 2k mark on Sky for the first time, up to ?1,930. Not sure what to do now!! Withdraw it and blow it on a lady boy. Or get the lady boy to blow you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wibble Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Thanks for the tips to Goonie and Melbourne, and a no thanks to Era for trying to get me to blow my roll. Go into each session with the same conservative attitude that you have used for each previous one. Your roll might be bigger, but it is still small because you will get tested by variance before long. Don't think for a second that "the job is done" or you will lose the balance between profit and proetection of your roll. Even more important that you set a stop-loss of say 3-4 buy-ins for a day. More chance of you tilting off a load with a decent sized roll behind you. You are a pretty aggressive player (maybe very aggressive), all good, but that brings longer upswings and deeper downswings. Bankroll management is going to be very important. You have to think how hard you have worked to get to this point and promise yourself that you cannot go busto again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsmak Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Dave Play the same ... keep going to you hit another grand... then another, then another.. then another you get the idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm pretty close to hitting the 2k mark on Sky for the first time, up to ?1,930. Not sure what to do now!! Work out what you think would be a good bankroll to work with, eg. ?200 ?500 ?1000 and then decide what to aim for, something like ?2000, ?3000 etc. Everytime you reach ?2K or ?3K, withdraw down to the amount you set as a workable bankroll. This way you can still play with no real limitations on what games you play or how you play and minimises what you can lose if you go on any awful runs without winning etc. I wouldn't keep much more than ?2-3K in your sky account, it's not earning any interest like a bank account would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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