Scottish independence and devolution superthread

[jack D and coke]

28 minutes ago, AyrJambo said:

 

Household electricity prices worldwide in September 2023, for major oil+gas producing countries (in U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour)
Scotland/UK 0.44
USA 0.17
Mexico 0.12
Norway 0.11
UAE 0.08
Russia 0.06
Venezuela 0.05
Saudi Arabia 0.05
Qatar 0.03
Nigeria 0.02
Iran 0.02
(Source: Statista)
Aside from Scotland’s people being continually pushed by Westminster into unnecessary fuel poverty, and a cost of living crisis, in our resource rich nation, high electricity prices also means our economy and industries have, for at least the past several decades, been ‘made’ internationally uncompetitive. Very high electricity prices are clearly one of the main reasons our nation is still lacking in development and economic growth.

 

The UK has given you austerity on steroids FFs!!

You all want the economic future (and now it has to be watertight!!) of independence to be predicted for you but none of you are willing or is it able(?) to answer my questions on the economic future of staying in the UK...

 

What will interest rates be in UK in 5 years time? In 10 years time?

Food prices?

Energy prices?

Trade deficit?

Wages?

Inflation?

How much will £ be worth against dollar?

Or against Euro?

 

They are long gone sadly

Salmond adopted a gradualist policy towards independence and that did convince more people to support it  but that was under-pinned by competence and sanity in a devolved government

Sturgeon and now Yusaf can't see past devolution and offer no vision for what a once more sovereign Scotland could be

Highest domestic fuel prices in the world and we produce most of it ffs  

Cables taking gigawatts of green energy south. 

Soon we’ll be bringing all the oil ashore but transporting it south to be refined. 

Nobody will tell me that isn’t political moves of sorts. 
 

[Konrad von Carstein]

14 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

It would be a locked down autocratic state modelled on Putin's Russia, designed to keep the SNP in power indefinitely .  You only have to look at the laws they have passed to see where they are heading.

Jesus ****ing Christ, away and get your hole or have a chug you dullard.

In fact do anything other than posting nonsense like the quoted post. : 🤡 

[Hagar the Horrible]

Humza having a howler,  He thinks putting a car parking levy for work place parking,  Yeah tax the working, tax the car driver that will help.

 

What is the point of the SNP....that's rhetorical, but fact the greens in Scotland are pointless, they've Hibsed it

[Hagar the Horrible]

Humza thinks his hate crime act is a huge success, but with 95% reported hate crimes have been NCR'ed, its been abused clearly and those genuine hate crimes cant be investigated because of this.

 

The SNP have to be voted out, they are killing this country

[manaliveits105]

Sensible people can see the current snp are no longer fit for purpose and vote the charlatans out before they do anymore damage 

[Gizmo]

14 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

It would be a locked down autocratic state modelled on Putin's Russia, designed to keep the SNP in power indefinitely .  You only have to look at the laws they have passed to see where they are heading.

I've seen the next SNP manifesto and you know, Franky boy here isn't wrong.

Some of the things our increasingly authoritative SNP party are planning, should they be elected, is a big leap into outright fascism:

Key policies:
 

1. Jailing prominent figures: Prominent public leaders such as Douglas Ross, Jackie Baillie, Anas Sarwar, Ruth Davidson, Joanna Cherry will be prosecuted under new laws, sentenced in jury-less closed kangaroo courts and left to rot behind bars or
2. Persecuting artists: A number of musicians whose expressive lyrics reflect poorly on the SNP, like Iona Fyfe, Runrig or Del Amitri will be intimidated, arrested, or even imprisoned in a gulag to be built outside Glenrothes
3. Restricting non-governmental organizations (NGOs): NGOs that participate in ‘political activities’ and receive funding from overseas must now register as "foreign agents" and comply with onerous new regulations designed to cripple their operations
4. Expanding the definition of treason: The SNP’s proposed new Criminal Code expands the definition of ‘treason’ to turn virtually any government critic into a “traitor”
5. Criminalizing public actions of LGBTI community:opens in a new tab New laws outlaws efforts by lesbian, gay, bisexual transgender and intersex individuals and their supporters to fight for equal rights. LGBTI activists to be rounded up and arrested for attempting to hold a peaceful demonstration during Pride. Local authorities shall enforce a ban on ‘propaganda of homosexuality.’
6. Intimidating human rights defenders: Defenders complaining about law enforcement misconduct to be targeted, subject to harassment, death threats, enforced disappearances and murder. The ECHR is to be withdrawn from immediately.
7. Holyrood Elections: the D'Hondt system to be quietly adjusted to ensure the SNP rule in perpetuity whilst maintaining the illusion of free democratic voting. 

All taken from the Putin playbook and selected excerpts from Alan Moore's fascist manual, V for Vendetta. 

[Ulysses]

14 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

 

All taken from the Putin playbook and selected excerpts from Alan Moore's fascist manual, V for Vendetta 

 

I wonder does Putin have a Russian version of Blair Drummond for sorting out his political opponents?

 

[The Mighty Thor]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

It’s more than a stretch to believe innit.

Frank voted Yes too apparently🤥

Come out with every single argument No used but voted Yes…

Now hardened unionists…🤔

 

Every one of the slavers on here apparently voted for indy and against Brexit  😂

 

[AyrJambo]

43 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Sensible people can see the current snp are no longer fit for purpose and vote the charlatans out before they do anymore damage 

Agree

But voting for ANY unionist party is worse - an altogether more damaging bunch of charlatans

If a competent, pro-independence candidate is available then that will be an option I will consider as will re-purposing my ballot as per Peter Bell's initiative...

 

https://peterabell.scot/2024/04/09/wasted-vote/

 

[jack D and coke]

11 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Every one of the slavers on here apparently voted for indy and against Brexit  😂

 

[Ked]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

It’s more than a stretch to believe innit.

Frank voted Yes too apparently🤥

Come out with every single argument No used but voted Yes…

Now hardened unionists…🤔

 

😂

[frankblack]

56 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

I've seen the next SNP manifesto and you know, Franky boy here isn't wrong.

Some of the things our increasingly authoritative SNP party are planning, should they be elected, is a big leap into outright fascism:

Key policies:
 

1. Jailing prominent figures: Prominent public leaders such as Douglas Ross, Jackie Baillie, Anas Sarwar, Ruth Davidson, Joanna Cherry will be prosecuted under new laws, sentenced in jury-less closed kangaroo courts and left to rot behind bars or
2. Persecuting artists: A number of musicians whose expressive lyrics reflect poorly on the SNP, like Iona Fyfe, Runrig or Del Amitri will be intimidated, arrested, or even imprisoned in a gulag to be built outside Glenrothes
3. Restricting non-governmental organizations (NGOs): NGOs that participate in ‘political activities’ and receive funding from overseas must now register as "foreign agents" and comply with onerous new regulations designed to cripple their operations
4. Expanding the definition of treason: The SNP’s proposed new Criminal Code expands the definition of ‘treason’ to turn virtually any government critic into a “traitor”
5. Criminalizing public actions of LGBTI community:opens in a new tab New laws outlaws efforts by lesbian, gay, bisexual transgender and intersex individuals and their supporters to fight for equal rights. LGBTI activists to be rounded up and arrested for attempting to hold a peaceful demonstration during Pride. Local authorities shall enforce a ban on ‘propaganda of homosexuality.’
6. Intimidating human rights defenders: Defenders complaining about law enforcement misconduct to be targeted, subject to harassment, death threats, enforced disappearances and murder. The ECHR is to be withdrawn from immediately.
7. Holyrood Elections: the D'Hondt system to be quietly adjusted to ensure the SNP rule in perpetuity whilst maintaining the illusion of free democratic voting. 

All taken from the Putin playbook and selected excerpts from Alan Moore's fascist manual, V for Vendetta. 

 

Where did you copy that from?

[jack D and coke]

1 hour ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Jesus ****ing Christ, away and get your hole or have a chug you dullard.

In fact do anything other than posting nonsense like the quoted post. : 🤡 

Quite incredible isn’t it…

Just off the wall ****ing bonkers..

[frankblack]

2 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

 

Why would they build a gulag outside Glenrothes? Similar effect could be had just by rehousing the offenders in the town itself. 

 

Or Dundee and any number of shitholes in the Strathclyde area.

[AyrJambo]

1 hour ago, Gizmo said:

I've seen the next SNP manifesto and you know, Franky boy here isn't wrong.

Some of the things our increasingly authoritative SNP party are planning, should they be elected, is a big leap into outright fascism:

Key policies:
 

1. Jailing prominent figures: Prominent public leaders such as Douglas Ross, Jackie Baillie, Anas Sarwar, Ruth Davidson, Joanna Cherry will be prosecuted under new laws, sentenced in jury-less closed kangaroo courts and left to rot behind bars or
2. Persecuting artists: A number of musicians whose expressive lyrics reflect poorly on the SNP, like Iona Fyfe, Runrig or Del Amitri will be intimidated, arrested, or even imprisoned in a gulag to be built outside Glenrothes
3. Restricting non-governmental organizations (NGOs): NGOs that participate in ‘political activities’ and receive funding from overseas must now register as "foreign agents" and comply with onerous new regulations designed to cripple their operations
4. Expanding the definition of treason: The SNP’s proposed new Criminal Code expands the definition of ‘treason’ to turn virtually any government critic into a “traitor”
5. Criminalizing public actions of LGBTI community:opens in a new tab New laws outlaws efforts by lesbian, gay, bisexual transgender and intersex individuals and their supporters to fight for equal rights. LGBTI activists to be rounded up and arrested for attempting to hold a peaceful demonstration during Pride. Local authorities shall enforce a ban on ‘propaganda of homosexuality.’
6. Intimidating human rights defenders: Defenders complaining about law enforcement misconduct to be targeted, subject to harassment, death threats, enforced disappearances and murder. The ECHR is to be withdrawn from immediately.
7. Holyrood Elections: the D'Hondt system to be quietly adjusted to ensure the SNP rule in perpetuity whilst maintaining the illusion of free democratic voting. 

All taken from the Putin playbook and selected excerpts from Alan Moore's fascist manual, V for Vendetta. 

 

You forgot..

 

8. Carbon Emissions: Patrick Harvie to be appointed Fuel Tzar with powers to personally approve any and all domestic heating system installation - preferred option will be biofuel - all new builds to be heated by community crematoriums where corpses of the gender critical will be incinerated and resulting heat piped to local communities

 

9. Deposit Return Scheme: All packaging (paper, plastic, glass) of all items to be returned on foot by the consumer to the retail outlet where they were bought in exchange for food bank tokens
Online purchase packaging to be stored and used as domestic insulation

 

10. National Curriculum: Introduction of Family Studies subject where children will be required to report weekly any instances where other family members have expressed any views on any subject not approved by Scottish Government

 

11. Broadcasting: Susan Calman appointed BBC Scotland Special Overseer with responsibility to ensure that all output conforms to the standard we currently expect from her (see also Neil Oliver, Andrew Neil, Sarah Smith, Kirstie Wark)

 

12. International Relations: Tartan, Shortbread, Stags, Mountains, Billy Connolly, more Tartan

 

13. Policing: Police Scotland priority to scour the world in search of any remaining Unicorns still extant and to relocate to Edinburgh Zoo

 

14. Culture: Immediate inauguration of "We Love the First Minister" weekly celebrations where people will be encouraged to mount scooters and zoom around too quickly until they fall off

[manaliveits105]

Only complete feckwits would claim to know what other people did or did not vote for - very weird behaviour .

 

 

 

[manaliveits105]

Anyway onwards and em onwards !

[Malinga the Swinga]

21 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Anyway onwards and em onwards !

What an embarrassment the SNP are. Just a few weeks ago they were bragging about being world leaders and claiming other countries were contacting them to find out how they could follow Scotland's lead.

Now we find out out is all smoke and mirrors and basic pish.

They should resign in shame but they won't, they'll cling on like the shit they are.

[Ulysses]

2 hours ago, AyrJambo said:

Agree

But voting for ANY unionist party is worse - an altogether more damaging bunch of charlatans

If a competent, pro-independence candidate is available then that will be an option I will consider as will re-purposing my ballot as per Peter Bell's initiative...

 

https://peterabell.scot/2024/04/09/wasted-vote/

 

 

 

And as a bonus, you get to **** over the SNP.  

 

Onwards and upwards, eh?

[Lone Striker]

36 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Anyway onwards and em onwards !

Aye - another embarrassment for the governing party up here who love to criticise the UK Govt for their embarrassments.     Imagine trumpeting  that Scotland has the most ambitious Net Zero timetable anywhere in the world  ..... and then this climbdown a couple of years later.

 

Its almost as if wee Paddy didn't have a plan to match the rhetoric after all. Who'd have thunk it ?   Even more sleekit is that he'll leave the SNP to take the flak.  Meanwhile the SNP stick to the script by blaming Westminster cuts 

 

We really are led by donkeys in both governments.  One is fixated on asylum seekers in small boats, the other is fixated on hate crime and deposit return schemes - while the reputation and effectiveness of the NHS and Police continue to crash.

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Indeed James I was all for it and disappointed at the result but then to discover we were lied to about being self sufficient within 3 years etc etc - I changed - I also liked Salmond but don't like being lied to and then we were Sturgeoned - I hated her from the day she refused to move into the FM house in Edinburgh (imagine a PM saying nah I don't like London I'm not moving into Downing Street )

Brexit was another disappointment but we are where we are 

If we ever get decent politicians in an Indy party I will be back on board 

What my children and grandchildren vote is up to them - it's their future - I never interfere 

most people on here are just auld men having a moan which at the end of the day means feck all in the scheme of things - even the ones who are legends in their own minds .

Yep but we do have some decent politicians like Ash Regan , Kate Forbes and Joanna Cherry , but Quelle surprise they have all been side lined ? Guess what they all have in common ? Yep they are women . 

5 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

It’s more than a stretch to believe innit.

Frank voted Yes too apparently🤥

Come out with every single argument No used but voted Yes…

Now hardened unionists…🤔

 

You know I honestly feel it is really disrespectful of you to be saying things like this when I have given a lengthy and honest response to your  question . Yet you know just use scorn and derision when people have given you an honest response . Some debating that is . 

3 hours ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

Humza thinks his hate crime act is a huge success, but with 95% reported hate crimes have been NCR'ed, its been abused clearly and those genuine hate crimes cant be investigated because of this.

 

The SNP have to be voted out, they are killing this country

Yep he would say that wouldn’t he ! Idiot if the highest calibre . 

2 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

Only complete feckwits would claim to know what other people did or did not vote for - very weird behaviour .

 

 

 

It’s so disrespectful too 

Edited April 18 by JudyJudyJudy

[jack D and coke]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

You know I honestly feel it is really disrespectful of you to be saying things like this when I have given a lengthy and honest response to your  question . Yet you know just use scorn and derision when people have given you an honest response . Some debating that is . 

 

I’ve said I believe you, numerous times.

I believe Jonesy too. 
 

I don’t believe the rest for one second. 
Not for one second  
 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, jack D and coke said:

I’ve said I believe you, numerous times.

I believe Jonesy too. 
 

I don’t believe the rest for one second. 
Not for one second  
 

Why not believe them ? 

[jack D and coke]

2 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Why not believe them ? 

Because I’m not buttoned up the back mainly. 
 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, jack D and coke said:

Because I’m not buttoned up the back mainly. 
 

Oh right 😎

[AyrJambo]

5 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Because I’m not buttoned up the back mainly. 
 

😄

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Because I’m not buttoned up the back mainly. 
 

I no ask why you believe me 😂

[Dusk_Till_Dawn]

Murrell rearrested

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 hours ago, AyrJambo said:

Agree

But voting for ANY unionist party is worse - an altogether more damaging bunch of charlatans

If a competent, pro-independence candidate is available then that will be an option I will consider as will re-purposing my ballot as per Peter Bell's initiative...

 

https://peterabell.scot/2024/04/09/wasted-vote/

 

Are you both 10 years old? What a childish and pathetic act to even suggest but go ahead and hopefully others of your ilk will do similar leaving to SNP being hammered in election.

[AyrJambo]

26 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said:

Do you stamp your feet and cry when Aldi have run out of their own brand KitKats, too?

No do you?

[Lord Montpelier]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68850088

 

Well done SNP

[Lord Montpelier]

9 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

Murrell rearrested

 

Hopefully some more tents erected 

[doctor jambo]

3 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Hopefully some more tents erected 

the irony, you spend all that money on a campervan , and someone puts up tents for nothing in your garden

[AyrJambo]

1 hour ago, Ulysses said:

 

 

And as a bonus, you get to **** over the SNP.  

 

Onwards and upwards, eh?

 

9 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Are you both 10 years old? What a childish and pathetic act to even suggest but go ahead and hopefully others of your ilk will do similar leaving to SNP being hammered in election.

 

I don't see the point in voting SNP because they are NOT pursuing independence

Obviously neither are any of the unionist parties

Jury's out on Alba for me - they appear similar to SNP

ISP maybe I agree with their abstentionism but they won't be fielding candidates in every seat

 

So probably a re-purposed ballot

[Hagar the Horrible]

Murrel has been arrested again

 

Yeasssssss

[Hagar the Horrible]

Is it all about to come crashing down??

 

Peter Murrell was again arrested this morning,  breaking news

[Gizmo]

3 hours ago, frankblack said:

 

Where did you copy that from?

Amnesty International's list of Putin's most oppressive laws, just tweaked for the SNP descent in fascism 2.0 

[Gizmo]

12 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Hopefully some more tents erected 

You probably pitched a small one in your burgundy corduroys, amirite? 

[Hagar the Horrible]

Wow it was the 5th April last year, he was arrested for the first time,  Nicola will be bricking it now

[AyrJambo]

2 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

You probably pitched a small one in your burgundy corduroys, amirite? 

😄😄😄

[Seymour M Hersh]

9 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

Murrel has been arrested again

 

Yeasssssss

 

How long before her indoors is re-arrested? 

[ToadKiller Dog]

12 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

Murrel has been arrested again

 

Yeasssssss

They have to do that to question him , if he is charged that's a different step up .

[Australis]

11 minutes ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

Is it all about to come crashing down??

 

Peter Murrell was again arrested this morning,  breaking news

How long before his pretend wife hangs him out to dry, claiming she had no idea what was going on.

 

[Lord Montpelier]

10 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

You probably pitched a small one in your burgundy corduroys, amirite? 

Lol yes very good

I only own one pair of corduroys and they are khaki coloured as it happens. 

[Gizmo]

5 hours ago, Hagar the Horrible said:

Humza having a howler,  He thinks putting a car parking levy for work place parking,  Yeah tax the working, tax the car driver that will help.

 

What is the point of the SNP....that's rhetorical, but fact the greens in Scotland are pointless, they've Hibsed it

Whilst I would love to see reduced car usage, we don't get there by bringing out more sticks to beat drivers up with. The idea of a car parking levy will surely be passed on to the workers. 

Without the off-peak flat fares that the S Govt are subsidising, getting to work from here takes bike/car + train + tram. Public transport is £21.40 per day v £11 in petrol to drive. 

Sicken motorists off the road or tackle the costs and reliability of public transport to make it cheaper and far more available? Well, one is less expensive to implement...

[frankblack]

16 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Amnesty International's list of Putin's most oppressive laws, just tweaked for the SNP descent in fascism 2.0 

 

Did you miss the item about tactically killing off the old people in care homes during Covid to increase the SNP vote?

[Lord Montpelier]

3 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Whilst I would love to see reduced car usage, we don't get there by bringing out more sticks to beat drivers up with. The idea of a car parking levy will surely be passed on to the workers. 

Without the off-peak flat fares that the S Govt are subsidising, getting to work from here takes bike/car + train + tram. Public transport is £21.40 per day v £11 in petrol to drive. 

Sicken motorists off the road or tackle the costs and reliability of public transport to make it cheaper and far more available? Well, one is less expensive to implement...

Was in Milan last weekend. 3 day pass on the metro - jump on / off anytime. 15 euro. Reliable, mostly clean. Would love to see something similar here. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Lock them up 👍😂😂

[frankblack]

Just now, JudyJudyJudy said:

Lock them up 👍😂😂

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68850088

 

Murrell rearrested

[Hagar the Horrible]

9 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

Whilst I would love to see reduced car usage, we don't get there by bringing out more sticks to beat drivers up with. The idea of a car parking levy will surely be passed on to the workers. 

Without the off-peak flat fares that the S Govt are subsidising, getting to work from here takes bike/car + train + tram. Public transport is £21.40 per day v £11 in petrol to drive. 

Sicken motorists off the road or tackle the costs and reliability of public transport to make it cheaper and far more available? Well, one is less expensive to implement...

Prosperity comes with being mobile, unable to get to city centres has killed retail and restaurants etc. You don't ban something without replacing it first with something better. Roads are shut, and ones open are dangerous with potholes. I have a bus pass can't use as there is not many buses where I live. If there was car parking like back on Princes Street etc, but limit time. A parked car has less emissions than one driving around closed streets finding somewhere