Vegans

[Money4NothingDrinks4Free]

[Irufushi]

10 minutes ago, Money4NothingDrinks4Free said:

 

 

 

[Money4NothingDrinks4Free]

6 minutes ago, Irufushi said:

 

 

 

 

[Taffin]

31 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

People can't seem to grasp that sport/pest contol/food are the same!! 

"hunting without collection of a food or other commercial product" 

Apart from from the big African cats, everything else pretty much is eaten or sold to be eaten, if its eaten or sold to be eaten it both food and a commercial product, whether its a stag with antlers destined to be mounted(oo Matron) or a hind with no trophy value apart from the skin and ivory. No one really needs to eat venison or pigeon or rabbit or trout but people like to for various reasons. 

Do you think people who shoot and enjoy the "sport" deserve the title "scum twisted evil ect" and labbled "no better than murderers"? It's a bit strong in my book. 

 

 

Yes, if it's for no other reason than for fun or if they are selling parts of an endangered species for profit.

 

If you're hunting for sustinence or making use of the animal (not endagered) then I see it as better than the arms length meat eater/user who is happy to have animals killed for them but wouldn't be willing to do it for themselves. You seem to sit in that box so I'm not sure why you are annoyed as nobody has labelled you anything.

 

People killing for pure pleasure is weird and twisted imo.

[Bring Back Paulo Sergio]

The best way to live. A proper vegan diet is the most beneficial way you could ever eat. There was a study done  that diabetics could considerably reduce their insulin needs by stitching to a began diet. It was conducted by putting 20 or so diabetics on a regular healthy diet eg with dairy and meat and another 20 on strictly a plants, seeds and beans diet and the results were significant. The ones who ate vegan could reduce their insulin by almost 3 times as much as the other group.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/

 

 

 

The fats from meat also line our viens restricting blood and oxygen flow to the brain and is the reason people end up with Alzheimer's among other things, recently it's been discovered that carcinogens are found in white meat as well as red. The leading cause of cancer.

 

https://ucdintegrativemedicine.com/2016/09/diet-diabetes-saturated-fats-real-enemy/#gs.Ael6RM8

 

So basically eat meat if you wish, but you should spend at least an hour reading studies. (Not biased and paid off organisations)  For instance the meat industry indirectly sponsors cancer organisations, go have a look at what these charities advise you to eat to reduce the risks of cancer.

 

And then there's the environmental impact meat consumption is having on the planet. The energy sector pales in comparison.

 

I've cut down on the amount of meat and would plead with everyone to do the same. I will gradually stop but it's not easy. It tastes too good

 

I encourage everyone to watch this documentary. Even if you choose to ignore the the dangers of meat eating at least you will be aware of the impact your having.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dawnrazor]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Yes, if it's for no other reason than for fun or if they are selling parts of an endangered species for profit.

 

 

Of course the "endangered" bit every sensible person would agree with, but that's not what's been implied. 

So, you agree with shooting where whatever is shot is eaten or goes into the  food chain, pest control.......... other than shooting endangered species what don't you agree with, if I have "fun" shooting pigeons to put in the freezer is that wrong? Would that put me at the same lever as someone who murdered a person as i8 said? 

[Taffin]

2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Of course the "endangered" bit every sensible person would agree with, but that's not what's been implied. 

So, you agree with shooting where whatever is shot is eaten or goes into the  food chain, pest control.......... other than shooting endangered species what don't you agree with, if I have "fun" shooting pigeons to put in the freezer is that wrong? Would that put me at the same lever as someone who murdered a person as i8 said? 

 

I can't really be any clearer, I don't agree with killing animals unless there is a need to have done so. The need to have 'fun' doesn't cut it for me.

 

[Dawnrazor]

15 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I can't really be any clearer, I don't agree with killing animals unless there is a need to have done so. The need to have 'fun' doesn't cut it for me.

 

You really could be clearer, yes. There's a couple of pretty simple question in my post I hoped you'd answer it. 

Edited August 2, 2018 by Dawnrazor

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

Where does this idea come from that all vegans think they're better than everyone else?

[Taffin]

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

You really could be clearer, yes. There's a couple of pretty simple question in my post I hoped you'd answer it. 

 

Sorry, I felt I had.

 

1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

Of course the "endangered" bit every sensible person would agree with, but that's not what's been implied. 

So, you agree with shooting where whatever is shot is eaten or goes into the  food chain, pest control.......... other than shooting endangered species what don't you agree with, if I have "fun" shooting pigeons to put in the freezer is that wrong? Would that put me at the same lever as someone who murdered a person as i8 said? 

 

The first question. Answered below, I'm making the assumption that you eat them after putting them in the freezer; you need to eat so I'm therefore okay with it, but still find the enjoyment of killing a bird a bit weird but I would stop short of saying it is 'wrong'.

 

As for the second question, to my eyes it obviously wouldn't as it is covered by the bits in bold (you're shooting for food).  I8 referenced someone killing purely for fun and used an example of a lion, apologies if he also extended this to people hunting for food, I didn't see it and the post of his I replied 'This' to was the one about a lion.

 

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

I can't really be any clearer, I don't agree with killing animals unless there is a need to have done so. The need to have 'fun' doesn't cut it for me.

 

 

3 hours ago, Taffin said:

 

Yes, if it's for no other reason than for fun or if they are selling parts of an endangered species for profit.

 

If you're hunting for sustinence or making use of the animal (not endagered) then I see it as better than the arms length meat eater/user who is happy to have animals killed for them but wouldn't be willing to do it for themselves. You seem to sit in that box so I'm not sure why you are annoyed as nobody has labelled you anything.

 

People killing for pure pleasure is weird and twisted imo.

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

People can't seem to grasp that sport/pest contol/food are the same!! 

"hunting without collection of a food or other commercial product" 

Apart from from the big African cats, everything else pretty much is eaten or sold to be eaten, if its eaten or sold to be eaten it both food and a commercial product, whether its a stag with antlers destined to be mounted(oo Matron) or a hind with no trophy value apart from the skin and ivory. No one really needs to eat venison or pigeon or rabbit or trout but people like to for various reasons. 

Do you think people who shoot and enjoy the "sport" deserve the title "scum twisted evil ect" and labbled "no better than murderers"? It's a bit strong in my book. 

 

 

 

As for this question, it is also answered in my post above, killing for sport by the definition I previously gave and said I was using is for pure pleasure which I think is weird and twisted. I also included endagered species to cover the commercialisation of hind, ivory and paws etc.

 

Using your definition of where you mean hunting for sustinence and pest control then no, I don't think they are scum, or twisted etc but then I never hinted that I did think that which is why I opted to disclose the definition I was working to and the one I felt I8 was.

 

Your first sentence in that final post is where you are going wrong to my eyes, they aren't the same and because you think they are you think people are suggesting you are scum etc when they quite clearly aren't. Shooting rhino and lions etc (which is where this all stemmed from in i8's post) is in no way the same as catching a few cod for dinner, which you've already agreed with.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2018 by Taffin

[Maple Leaf]

1 hour ago, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

Where does this idea come from that all vegans think they're better than everyone else?

 

Beats me!

 

Doing a quick count, I know about 8 vegans (members of my family), and not one of them thinks he/she is better than anyone else.

[Dawnrazor]

11 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Sorry, I felt I had.

 

 

The first question. Answered below, I'm making the assumption that you eat them after putting them in the freezer; you need to eat so I'm therefore okay with it, but still find the enjoyment of killing a bird a bit weird but I would stop short of saying it is 'wrong'.

 

As for the second question, to my eyes it obviously wouldn't as it is covered by the bits in bold (you're shooting for food).  I8 referenced someone killing purely for fun and used an example of a lion, apologies if he also extended this to people hunting for food, I didn't see it and the post of his I replied 'This' to was the one about a lion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for this question, it is also answered in my post above, killing for sport by the definition I previously gave and said I was using is for pure pleasure which I think is weird and twisted. I also included endagered species to cover the commercialisation of hind, ivory and paws etc.

 

Using your definition of where you mean hunting for sustinence and pest control then no, I don't think they are scum, or twisted etc but then I never hinted that I did think that which is why I opted to disclose the definition I was working to and the one I felt I8 was.

 

Your first sentence in that final post is where you are going wrong to my eyes, they aren't the same and because you think they are you think people are suggesting you are scum etc when they quite clearly aren't. Shooting rhino and lions etc (which is where this all stemmed from in i8's post) is in no way the same as catching a few cod for dinner, which you've already agreed with.

 

 

OK, it just seems to me a bit weak saying "as long as you don't enjoy it", I agree with the Rhino angle to a certain extent, but shooting a roe that's eating crops with a "smile" on my face is wrong but if that same roe jumps a fence and starts eating cash crop pine trees, I can shoot it with a scowl on my face and that's OK is just daft imo! 

I get that people don't like shooting, I'm happy to respect their point of view, I'm not forcing anyone to do it, I do it, my family and I eat the game or pests instead of farmed meat, the fact that me and my son enjoy the shooting and stalking part of providing meat is all part of it imo.

Its the separation of "enjoyment/sport" and just "killing" that I think is the stumbling block, if all I wanted to do was "kill" I'd get a job with the RSPCA and spend all week "killing" cats and dogs or work in a slaughter house "killing" livestock for a laugh, shooting, for me, is much more than just pulling a trigger, it's difficult to get across I know! 

But for i8 to brand me as "a murderer, twisted, sadistic, evil" is pretty mindless. 

[Taffin]

9 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

OK, it just seems to me a bit weak saying "as long as you don't enjoy it", I agree with the Rhino angle to a certain extent, but shooting a roe that's eating crops with a "smile" on my face is wrong but if that same roe jumps a fence and starts eating cash crop pine trees, I can shoot it with a scowl on my face and that's OK is just daft imo! 

I get that people don't like shooting, I'm happy to respect their point of view, I'm not forcing anyone to do it, I do it, my family and I eat the game or pests instead of farmed meat, the fact that me and my son enjoy the shooting and stalking part of providing meat is all part of it imo.

Its the separation of "enjoyment/sport" and just "killing" that I think is the stumbling block, if all I wanted to do was "kill" I'd get a job with the RSPCA and spend all week "killing" cats and dogs or work in a slaughter house "killing" livestock for a laugh, shooting, for me, is much more than just pulling a trigger, it's difficult to get across I know! 

But for i8 to brand me as "a murderer, twisted, sadistic, evil" is pretty mindless. 

 

 

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There's a lot of hypocrisy on the subject around what is/isn't okay and I've enjoyed having to think about what I really believe on the matter, so thanks for stimulating that debate. For clarity I reckon I'd enjoy the hunt/stalking just not the shooting/killing...probably why I love the idea of airsoft, animal photgraphy and the like. Like I say, I haven't noticed where he extended it to your scenario but from my perspective you seem firmly in the 'good shooter camp and I find it much more admirable that someone goes out and puts food on their own plate rather than decrying hunting but are quite happy for animals to be slaughtered so they can pick them up in the fridges at Tesco.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Taffin

[Bindy Badgy]

34 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Your first sentence in that final post is where you are going wrong to my eyes, they aren't the same and because you think they are you think people are suggesting you are scum etc when they quite clearly aren't. Shooting rhino and lions etc (which is where this all stemmed from in i8's post) is in no way the same as catching a few cod for dinner, which you've already agreed with.

 

 

Although I think the people that do it are dicks I think that shooting lions, elephants and so can be the lesser of two evils in some situations. A lot of the time hunting concessions are located in areas that are inappropriate for photo tourism due to lack of accessibility, low wildlife density and so on. Hunters are prepared to put up with these issues as the places where you can hunt are relatively limited compared to the places where photo tourism operates. If hunting is banned in these areas the locals will lose money and either resort to indiscriminate poaching or turn the area into farmland.

[Dawnrazor]

12 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

 

???

 

There's a lot of hypocrisy on the subject around what is/isn't okay and I've enjoyed having to think about what I really believe on the matter, so thanks for stimulating that debate. For clarity I reckon I'd enjoy the hunt/stalking just not the shooting/killing...probably why I love the idea of airsoft, animal photgraphy and the like. Like I say, I haven't noticed where he extended it to your scenario but from my perspective you seem firmly in the 'good shooter camp and I find it much more admirable that someone goes out and puts food on their own plate rather than decrying hunting but are quite happy for animals to be slaughtered so they can pick them up in the fridges at Tesco.

[Dawnrazor]

17 minutes ago, Stokesy said:

 

Although I think the people that do it are dicks I think that shooting lions, elephants and so can be the lesser of two evils in some situations. A lot of the time hunting concessions are located in areas that are inappropriate for photo tourism due to lack of accessibility, low wildlife density and so on. Hunters are prepared to put up with these issues as the places where you can hunt are relatively limited compared to the places where photo tourism operates. If hunting is banned in these areas the locals will lose money and either resort to indiscriminate poaching or turn the area into farmland.

Good Post, that's where I'm at with the African Hunting thing, not my cup of tea. 

It's the paradox of a species that's shot generally does far better in the areas that it's shot at the is lost on some without first hand experience! 

Look at Red Grouse I'm much of Wales, gone just about, Grey Partridge in Norfolk, Suffolk and areas of Northumberland, thriving, where there is an incentive for people to have something theyll have it, remove the incentive, shooting in this case, and that spieces will generally decline and often dissappear. Its possibly a sad fact that with more people willing to pay to shoot Rhino's there would be more Rhinos, more money looking after habitat and Rangers stopping more indiscriminate poaching, it would be tightly regulated and age and sex of animals carefully examined before any were shot. I know some people find this a difficult concept to accept. Pretty much like sheep and cattle, who'd keep the them if no one ate them?! 

Edited August 2, 2018 by Dawnrazor

[jambo_]

3 hours ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said:

The best way to live. A proper vegan diet is the most beneficial way you could ever eat. There was a study done  that diabetics could considerably reduce their insulin needs by stitching to a began diet. It was conducted by putting 20 or so diabetics on a regular healthy diet eg with dairy and meat and another 20 on strictly a plants, seeds and beans diet and the results were significant. The ones who ate vegan could reduce their insulin by almost 3 times as much as the other group.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/

 

 

 

The fats from meat also line our viens restricting blood and oxygen flow to the brain and is the reason people end up with Alzheimer's among other things, recently it's been discovered that carcinogens are found in white meat as well as red. The leading cause of cancer.

 

https://ucdintegrativemedicine.com/2016/09/diet-diabetes-saturated-fats-real-enemy/#gs.Ael6RM8

 

So basically eat meat if you wish, but you should spend at least an hour reading studies. (Not biased and paid off organisations)  For instance the meat industry indirectly sponsors cancer organisations, go have a look at what these charities advise you to eat to reduce the risks of cancer.

 

And then there's the environmental impact meat consumption is having on the planet. The energy sector pales in comparison.

 

I've cut down on the amount of meat and would plead with everyone to do the same. I will gradually stop but it's not easy. It tastes too good

 

I encourage everyone to watch this documentary. Even if you choose to ignore the the dangers of meat eating at least you will be aware of the impact your having.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

very interesting cheers

[jambo_]

if we all stop eating so much meat, fish and dairy we really will save the planet

[Maple Leaf]

3 minutes ago, jambo_ said:

if we all stop eating so much meat, fish and dairy we really will save the planet

 

There is more than one factor in play regarding the environmental issues we have, but the agriculture industry is a big one.

 

I understand why some people won't become, or can't become vegans (I'm one of them), but if everyone cut back a bit on consuming animal products, it would make a huge difference.

[jambo_]

maybe we should start to lobby Hearts to consider the Forest Green Rovers model?

 

The world’s first vegan football club

In 2017, FGR was officially recognised as the world’s first vegan football club after we received the Vegan Trademark from the Vegan Society.

That might all sound a little strange to fans used to burgers and chips at games – but since we replaced red meat and stodgy snacks with freshly made veggie burgers, vegan fajitas, and a revolving menu of locally-sourced vegan dishes, we’ve made a big impact on fans, players and even other clubs.

We’ve reached an audience of almost two billion people since we officially became a vegan club – getting the message about sustainable vegan food out there in a big way.

[Ray Gin]

Idiot vegans who feed their cats vegan diets could face prosecution

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/23/pet-owners-feed-cats-vegan-diet-could-face-prosecution/

[Herbert.]

If a cow identifies as a cabbage could a vegan eat it?

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, Herbert said:

If a cow identifies as a cabbage could a vegan eat it?

As long as no one assumed its gender. 

[Herbert.]

Just now, Dawnrazor said:

As long as no one assumed its gender. 

 

it?

 

IT 

 

Do you know how rude it is to call someone IT. 

[Dawnrazor]

13 minutes ago, Herbert said:

 

it?

 

IT 

 

Do you know how rude it is to call someone IT. 

Sorry, as long as no one assumed xts gender?

[jake]

36 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

Idiot vegans who feed their cats vegan diets could face prosecution

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/23/pet-owners-feed-cats-vegan-diet-could-face-prosecution/

Pet cats and I love cats should be banned.

They decimate wild life without any balance.

[Governor Tarkin]

On 02/08/2018 at 16:51, Eldar Hadzimehmedovic said:

Where does this idea come from that all vegans think they're better than everyone else?

 

Carnivores.

[Ray Gin]

1 hour ago, jake said:

Pet cats and I love cats should be banned.

They decimate wild life without any balance.

 

[i8hibsh]

Add vegans to the huge list of people I hate.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Thick as mince they are, wanting the Dorset village of Wool to change it's name to 'Vegan Wool' because of alleged cruelty to sheep, they claim.

Only problem is the village is named after the Saxon word for well/spring and has nothing to do with Sheep or any other animal. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/22/wool-parish-council-forced-discuss-changing-name-vegan-wool/

[jake]

46 minutes ago, Ray Gin said:

 

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Domestic cats and I repeat I love them are decimating wild life.

M8 that's factual.

 

[jake]

41 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

Add vegans to the huge list of people I hate.

I8.

The planet is unable to sustain the current eating habits we choose.

Probably fecked.

But try looking deeper into things.

Before you declare hate mate

[Maple Leaf]

3 hours ago, jake said:

I8.

The planet is unable to sustain the current eating habits we choose.

Probably fecked.

But try looking deeper into things.

Before you declare hate mate

 

Save your breath jake.

 

Our planet is in the middle of its 6th extinction of species, and some people are so uninformed that they're not even aware of it.

 

There are many causes, but the dairy industry and the meat industry are among the culprits.  Vegans are doing their bit to try to change things so, yeah, let's hate them for it.

[Bridge of Djoum]

4 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

Add vegans to the huge list of people I hate.

It appears you lead an utterly sad, desperate lonely existence.

 

Anyone who isn't essentially just like you is hated. What a shite life.

[ri Alban]

On 02/08/2018 at 16:18, Dawnrazor said:

Of course the "endangered" bit every sensible person would agree with, but that's not what's been implied. 

So, you agree with shooting where whatever is shot is eaten or goes into the  food chain, pest control.......... other than shooting endangered species what don't you agree with, if I have "fun" shooting pigeons to put in the freezer is that wrong? Would that put me at the same lever as someone who murdered a person as i8 said? 

Why is killing one animal for fun, any different from killing another animal(human) for fun. I'm quite sure any twisted person who kills animals for fun, would have no problem stabbing you to death, just for a fun. 

[ri Alban]

7 hours ago, jake said:

Pet cats and I love cats should be banned.

They decimate wild life without any balance.

Only the cats without bells on their collars.  

[i8hibsh]

6 hours ago, jake said:

I8.

The planet is unable to sustain the current eating habits we choose.

Probably fecked.

But try looking deeper into things.

Before you declare hate mate

 

The issue is not that. The issue is too many people having too many kids. The planet is over populated. Religion and poor governments are the main reason for this in the third world, far too generous welfare systems is the reason in the developed world. 

 

If we are sensible, like me, then there is plenty. I waste nothing and hey.........not even a hint of tofu in my house.

[i8hibsh]

3 hours ago, Bridge of Djoum said:

It appears you lead an utterly sad, desperate lonely existence.

 

Anyone who isn't essentially just like you is hated. What a shite life.

 

 

I am misanthropic as I believe most people are. Humans (like most species) naturally dislike each other.  Then of course you get the bullshitters in life "I'm a people person", "I just love everyone" - usually vegans. Give me a break, since the dawn of time there has been murder, violence and war. Look at every species, 5 billion to have shared the earth since evolution began. It is nature, we love our own and that is it.

[Governor Tarkin]

5 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

I waste nothing and hey.........not even a hint of tofu in my house.

 

As your waistline will testify.

[i8hibsh]

41 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

As your waistline will testify.

 

Finger down throat now as we speak

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

3 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Finger down throat now as we speak

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Be strong, mate.

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I am misanthropic as I believe most people are. Humans (like most species) naturally dislike each other.  Then of course you get the bullshitters in life "I'm a people person", "I just love everyone" - usually vegans. Give me a break, since the dawn of time there has been murder, violence and war. Look at every species, 5 billion to have shared the earth since evolution began. It is nature, we love our own and that is it.

If that’s the case how do cities happen?

[Ray Gin]

9 hours ago, jake said:

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Domestic cats and I repeat I love them are decimating wild life.

M8 that's factual.

 

 

Only crappy birds and rodents. Doing a great job IMO.

 

Think how many more they'd kill if they weren't house cats being fed regular meals.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2018 by Ray Gin

[i8hibsh]

50 minutes ago, FWJ said:

If that’s the case how do cities happen?

 

 

We are utterly dependent on one another for wealth.  

[Jambo-Jimbo]

What gives vegans the right to intimidate folks out for a peaceful meal.

Seems they picked the wrong resturant as there was a stag do and they got shouted down and were handed their arses on a plate.

 

Two different video's one from each side.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1051012/Vegan-Protest-veganism-food-brighton-steakhouse-football-songs-weird-news

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7843076/stag-do-lads-drown-out-vegan-protesters-brighton/

 

 

 

Edited November 28, 2018 by Jambo-Jimbo

[Herbert.]

58 minutes ago, FWJ said:

If that’s the case how do cities happen?

 

Do you like everyone in Edinburgh?

[i8hibsh]

7 minutes ago, Herbert said:

 

Do you like everyone in Edinburgh?

 

 

Murder rates are far higher in cities also (per capita).  We seem to hate each other more in cities.  You will find more love in the town's and villages so no idea where FWJ is going with that.

[Bindy Badgy]

12 hours ago, jake said:

Pet cats and I love cats should be banned.

They decimate wild life without any balance.

 

It's debatable how much impact domestic cats have on wildlife populations. Although they kill a lot of animals the species that domestic cats target have naturally high mortality rates. For example, ~80% of songbirds will not get through their first winter with or without the interference of domestic cats. Cats aren't making much difference if they're just picking off the individuals that were going to die anyway. I'm not exactly sure what the current scientific consensus on the impact of domestic cats is.

 

To add to this, domestic cats should either be banned or sterilised in the north of Scotland as they interbreed with the wildcat population. This is one of the reasons why our wildcats are critically endangered. It's debatable whether or not pure wildcats even exist anymore.

Edited November 28, 2018 by Stokesy

[ri Alban]

47 minutes ago, Stokesy said:

 

It's debatable how much impact domestic cats have on wildlife populations. Although they kill a lot of animals the species that domestic cats target have naturally high mortality rates. For example, ~80% of songbirds will not get through their first winter with or without the interference of domestic cats. Cats aren't making much difference if they're just picking off the individuals that were going to die anyway. I'm not exactly sure what the current scientific consensus on the impact of domestic cats is.

 

To add to this, domestic cats should either be banned or sterilised in the north of Scotland as they interbreed with the wildcat population. This is one of the reasons why our wildcats are critically endangered. It's debatable whether or not pure wildcats even exist anymore.

33 species of birds, small mammals and lizards have been wiped out because of the psychological nutcase, which is the domestic cat. 

Edited November 28, 2018 by ri Alban

[Dawnrazor]

4 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Why is killing one animal for fun, any different from killing another animal(human) for fun. I'm quite sure any twisted person who kills animals for fun, would have no problem stabbing you to death, just for a fun. 

Sorry but that's nonsense!