The Rangers soap opera goes on and on.

[amadjambo]

 

While I agree with a bit of what Traynor says let's not forget that Rangers would likely be supporting this new structure if still at the top table.

 

Kind of two faced, no?

 

If course it's two faced. I'm not even remotely suggesting otherwise.

 

This is the problem with Scottish football. Actually no, this is the problem with football everywhere.

 

Clubs only are about themselves. But what every major club consumed by greed fails to understand is that if the league they played in was stronger they would directly benefit.

 

The health and strength of the league should be the number 1 priority. Not going to happen anytime soon though.

 

And UEFA have a great deal of the responsibility for this. They have created a monster in the CL, a monster that is an exclusive club of only the already rich and powerful.

 

By neglecting the smaller nations I believe they have failed football. Countries such as Holland, Belgium, Portugal, Scotland and the Nordic nations have been left behind.

[davieholt]

Difficult to disagree with most of this

[amadjambo]

Just to conclude what I was saying, eventually UEFA will give the go ahead to cross border leagues to appease those smaller nations.

 

And this directly affects every single one of us.

 

I want Hearts to play in Scotland, but on a far more level playing field. I have no interest in regular away trips several hundred miles away. And I have no interest in playing in a league that has been devalued because the bigger clubs have buggered off elsewhere.

 

What is the solution? I have no idea.

 

But if we don't understand the problem we can't even begin to find it, can we?

[alwaysthereinspirit]

 

If Mad said when he first arrived, his dream was to move Heart of Midlothian out off Scotland to a more prosperous league system. What would the Scottish media have written and how much would his original fine have been from the worst football association in the footballing world?

Our game is truly screwed.

[WBTA]

As much as i hate rankers i dont see the point in having such a huge club so far down the league's

 

I wanted them to stay up with the promise of reconstruction to a bigger league (whether its viable or not i dont know just what id like)

 

but now i dont really know or care whats going on i'll just keep following Hearts till i die

[jack D and coke]

Just to conclude what I was saying, eventually UEFA will give the go ahead to cross border leagues to appease those smaller nations.

 

And this directly affects every single one of us.

 

I want Hearts to play in Scotland, but on a far more level playing field. I have no interest in regular away trips several hundred miles away. And I have no interest in playing in a league that has been devalued because the bigger clubs have buggered off elsewhere.

 

What is the solution? I have no idea.

 

But if we don't understand the problem we can't even begin to find it, can we?

I think we all know what the problems are but fixing them is the impossible task. I like you have absolutely no idea how to even begin fixing or trying to find a more level playing field. The clubs and supporters all have too much hatred and deep rooted dislike and suspicion about each other that it probably a lost cause.

 

I do agree that UEFA will eventually back down and allow cross border competitions and that Rangers and whoever else wants to move will get their way. It'll be a right old mess when that happens too.

[amadjambo]

 

I think we all know what the problems are but fixing them is the impossible task. I like you have absolutely no idea how to even begin fixing or trying to find a more level playing field. The clubs and supporters all have too much hatred and deep rooted dislike and suspicion about each other that it probably a lost cause.

 

I do agree that UEFA will eventually back down and allow cross border competitions and that Rangers and whoever else wants to move will get their way. It'll be a right old mess when that happens too.

 

I have already given 1 idea on another thread which goes someway to levelling the playing field. It's not perfect but a decent starting point for discussion IMO.

 

You say everyone is aware of the problem, but they clearly aren't. Once cross border leagues are allowed in whatever for they may take we will have a right mess on our hands. Yet many here laugh and ridicule Rangers and Celtic when they suggest they will bugger off, claiming they have nowhere to go. Maybe not at the moment, but it will come, and this romantic notion that we would all be better off without them is IMO the opposite of reality.

 

And if Rangers and Celtic did leave I would put money on Aberdeen joining them too.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Cross-border leagues will only happen once the Champions League becomes a European Super League.

 

And Sevco are in no position to influence that.

[Barney Rubble]

As much as i hate rankers i dont see the point in having such a huge club so far down the league's

 

I wanted them to stay up with the promise of reconstruction to a bigger league (whether its viable or not i dont know just what id like)

 

but now i dont really know or care whats going on i'll just keep following Hearts till i die

 

So you want a league where sevco will be involved no matter what happens past present and future cos they're a big club , right ! but your hearts til you die , for the love of god man .

[jack D and coke]

 

I have already given 1 idea on another thread which goes someway to levelling the playing field. It's not perfect but a decent starting point for discussion IMO.

 

You say everyone is aware of the problem, but they clearly aren't. Once cross border leagues are allowed in whatever for they may take we will have a right mess on our hands. Yet many here laugh and ridicule Rangers and Celtic when they suggest they will bugger off, claiming they have nowhere to go. Maybe not at the moment, but it will come, and this romantic notion that we would all be better off without them is IMO the opposite of reality.

 

And if Rangers and Celtic did leave I would put money on Aberdeen joining them too.

I'm of the opposite view regarding the uglies I think if we could find a way to get them out things might pick up again. I see no benefit to keeping them anymore tbh. They are far too big to ever, ever compete with over a period of time and tbh I'm sure our other clubs would survive without them. There might have to be some cuts along the way but it would be one of the most open leagues in the world whereas our league is held up as an example of just exactly what you don't want happening.

 

I've read your posts on the other thread and while I agree with it I'm principal these types of changes will never happen. Why would bigger clubs seek to weaken themselves? It won't happen.

 

Btw Aberdeen? Explain....

[Barney Rubble]

I have already given 1 idea on another thread which goes someway to levelling the playing field. It's not perfect but a decent starting point for discussion IMO.

 

You say everyone is aware of the problem, but they clearly aren't. Once cross border leagues are allowed in whatever for they may take we will have a right mess on our hands. Yet many here laugh and ridicule Rangers and Celtic when they suggest they will bugger off, claiming they have nowhere to go. Maybe not at the moment, but it will come, and this romantic notion that we would all be better off without them is IMO the opposite of reality.

 

And if Rangers and Celtic did leave I would put money on Aberdeen joining them too.

 

I always go by this great old adage " sometimes your better off dead " dont know who said it like but it sums up scottish football to a tee !

[amadjambo]

 

 

I always go by this great old adage " sometimes your better off dead " dont know who said it like but it sums up scottish football to a tee !

 

 

I'm a bit more optimistic.

[amadjambo]

 

I'm of the opposite view regarding the uglies I think if we could find a way to get them out things might pick up again. I see no benefit to keeping them anymore tbh. They are far too big to ever, ever compete with over a period of time and tbh I'm sure our other clubs would survive without them. There might have to be some cuts along the way but it would be one of the most open leagues in the world whereas our league is held up as an example of just exactly what you don't want happening.

 

I've read your posts on the other thread and while I agree with it I'm principal these types of changes will never happen. Why would bigger clubs seek to weaken themselves? It won't happen.

 

Btw Aberdeen? Explain....

 

Aberdeen as a city has very strong links to Scandanavia due to the oil industry, so if any cross border links were set up in future they could well be involved. Just an opinion. Not suggesting they are a bigger club than us, just shooting the breeze.

[jambovambo]

Ah ...

 

Tomo and Mark Daley talk at Napier about their experiences over the newcooldcohunco story :

 

http://edinburghnapiernews.com/2013/01/22/media-mondays-the-rangers-story/

 

(Haven't listened to it myself yet)

[jambovambo]

Ah ...

 

Tomo and Mark Daley talk at Napier about their experiences over the newcooldcohunco story :

 

http://edinburghnapi...-rangers-story/

 

(Haven't listened to it myself yet)

Listening to it now ...

 

If you're interested in the media, e.g. a media student, it's good.

 

[jambovambo]

"I was eight when my team (Newcastle Utd) last won something, so Rangers fans should bloody well cheer up" - Tomo

 

Oh - he just used the c-word in reference to things he was called via Twitter.

[Hagar the Horrible]

It's disappointing that this thread has not reached the 50k post count yet, still I am sure Crazy Chuck will keep us occupied over the summer complaining about his giant bottom tier associate member club not have the biggest share of everything

[The Gasman]

As well as BDO's work as Liquidator, there's still various court cases and criminal investigations "in progress" but whether they have any impact on the NewCo is a different matter. There's also the question of the SPL supposedly looking at the stripping of OldCo's tittles, but that seems to have gone very very quiet.

[jambovambo]

It's disappointing that this thread has not reached the 50k post count yet, still I am sure Crazy Chuck will keep us occupied over the summer complaining about his giant bottom tier associate member club not have the biggest share of everything

I still think it would be fun to have a list of Chuck quotes / stances / attitudes ...

[jambovambo]

Ah ...

 

Tomo and Mark Daley talk at Napier about their experiences over the newcooldcohunco story :

 

http://edinburghnapi...-rangers-story/

 

(Haven't listened to it myself yet)

58 mins in - sounds like arch-hobo and Labour spin-doctor Simon Pia rambling on ..

[jambovambo]

Tomo blog from Monday :

 

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/scottish-football-sport-business/3882

 

As I head north to Edinburgh, hopefully leapfrogging the incoming blizzard which has turned Stansted white, news of an interesting initiative going out to the main fan organisations and thence clubs across Scottish football.

It arises from the community of contributors to the Scottish Football Monitor site. It also arises from the rubble of last year, the shockwaves sent out across Scottish football by the Rangers implosion and most of all the shameful, tawdry attempts by the football authorities in Glasgow to keep Rangers in ?the SPL? at all costs.

The latter, the proverbial straw that imposed spinal trauma upon the Caledonian Camel, for many fans. So they want change.

Fans said ?Enough!? So did Rangers fans too and many for reasons of integrity as well. And so, memorably did the clubs whose chairmen converged upon Hampden to remind sporting officials that they officiate over sport.

The draft resolution has a covering letter the key message of which is:

?It is our view that the SFA is as tied to the commercial impact of Rangers demise as the SPL and so had to be reminded that to the fans, football is sport first and a business second. Both the SFA and leagues on the face of it still appear to be too commercially oriented to act in a way that balances the demands of commercialism with the need for maintaining sporting integrity.?

So it is that I print the draft resolution to fans? organisations in full. The voice of the silent and silenced majority? The soul of the game derided or ignored by Scottish football?s MSM? Or just a bunch of mavericks?

You decide.

?DRAFT proposal for representative supporter groups e.g. trusts or associations to send to their club to convey to the SFA/SPL/SFL Boards.

We [insert association/trust name here] and in association with fans? groups of other clubs, ask [insert club name here] to convey the following to the Scottish Football Association, SPL and SFL on our behalf.

1. We believe that the commercial viability of Scottish football at the professional level depends absolutely on the belief by supporters that sporting integrity is at the heart of all competition, and that those governing them and the rules by which they exercise governance, must hold sporting integrity as paramount above ALL other concerns. This belief can be summed up in the one word ?trust?. Without trust in those responsible for governing Scottish football, commercial viability will suffer, to eventual ruin of our game.

2. There is a perception (accompanied by some dismay and anger) among football supporters throughout Scotland that those who were charged with upholding the rules of the SFA and SPL/SFL, only did so partially ? and even then only because of the threat of supporter action if they did not.

3.There appears to be no distinction or order of hierarchy between those governing the game (the SFA) for whom we believe preservation of sporting integrity should be the prime purpose, and the leagues (SPL/SFL) for whom commercial aspects are (understandably) uppermost. As a result sporting integrity lost its primacy and it was left to supporters to insist on it.

4. Consequently many Scottish football supporters have lost confidence that the Scottish Football Association will fulfil their purpose of safeguarding the sport. Indeed their silence following the revelation of a five-way agreement last summer on the future of the liquidated Glasgow Rangers has exacerbated this loss of confidence in the SFA?s ability to administer professional football in Scotland in a manner that reflects their duty of care to all aspects of the game and everyone who takes part in it.

5. Decisions and deals have been taken by the SFA, SPL, and SFL without any public scrutiny. The operations and decisions of those bodies lack transparency and they are not accountable in any recognisable form to the football supporters throughout the land, without whom there is no professional association.

6. In our view this loss of trust can only begin to be restored by the SFA publically committing itself to:

(i)The production of an unequivocal ?mission? statement of purpose/intent which will state (in whatever form they may exist) that maintaining sporting integrity is and will always be their prime goal. The statement will also describe how they intend to ensure this principle is followed in their interactions with leagues and clubs, particularly when commercial decisions that might undermine sporting integrity are implemented by the leagues. (eg In the case of TV contracts, sponsorship or any significant league reconstruction).

(ii) Further: in recognition of the inability of some individuals to provide leadership during the past year simply because of conflicts of interest, take steps to remove any such conflict, and in doing so enable the organisation and its office bearers to function unhindered.

(iii)In the interests of transparency, publish the ?five point agreement? that allowed The Rangers entry into SFL and SFA, provide a supporting rationale for entering into the agreement, and confirm that the terms have been or are being complied with.

Along with other trust restoring measures (see attached Annex) these steps should mark the end of the continuing lack of trust in the authorities.

7. We appreciate that it may be the start of next season before there is any visible evidence of our concerns being addressed although the statement of purpose/intent by the SFA (i) and action at (ii) can be readily put in place ? would be a welcome early development.

8. All club?s supporters groups will be watching closely for signs of progress before advising our members and our other supporters if we feel the necessary trust restoring steps are being taken and advise that they can purchase their season books for 2013/14 knowing that sporting integrity is once more absolutely paramount in Scottish football to the betterment of our game.

 

From today :

 

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/fan-power-fore-scottish-football/3896

 

Well one thing?s already been achieved by the fans? draft resolution (see previous blog): it is not being ignored.

The Scottish FA have clearly looked at what is being proposed and are rightly interested by its content.

Responding to it however they wanted to draw some relevant points to the attention of fans and I am more than happy to do so via this blog.

Primarily the SFA are keen everyone should know about and read their mission statement, a plan which addresses some of the territory in the draft I published on Monday. Here?s the link to it.

A number of fans have said they?d not been able to find this on the SFA site ? so that should be cleared up now.

The SFA?s position on Rangers and the SPL proposals to shoe-horn the club into a 2-Tier SPL remains that they did not, could not, would not seek to influence this matter.

The SFA insist they are football?s umbrella body in the game but have no jurisdiction over the running of the SPL or any league for that matter:

?The Scottish FA has no jurisdiction over the competition rules of league bodies. Through the Professional Game Board, we can provide a forum for debate on matters such as league reconstruction.?

So they say they exist to provide debate on matters like league reconstruction but cannot interfere directly, they say they have no powers to do so.

The Scottish FA have recently issued the national football survey; the most comprehensive questionnaire ever conducted into Scottish football.

More than 7000 supporters have contributed to this wide-ranging survey, with the results due to be published next month.

We are in regular dialogue with Supporters Direct Scotland and, indeed, will be attending their council meeting at Hampden Park today.

So the SFA are in listening mode they say and have overhauled their internal structures with the aim of improving their hearing ? not least of what fans may want.

It is to be hoped that when/if yesterday?s draft resolution becomes something agreed upon, that the game?s governing body will continue to be receptive to new thinking from those who matter most ? the fans.

[jamboinglasgow]

Lee McCulloch's in the papers today claim that Ian Black ad Lee Wallace should be considered for the Scotland squad as they are doing well at the moment, the crazier thing is that he claims there isn't really a gap between the third division and SPL and that some 3rd division teams could play in the SPL.

 

Lee, I know your trying to big up your team-mates but there is better ways then making yourself look like a fool with that nonsense.

[Mysterion]

McCulloch must have taken one too many knocks to the head over the years... clearly he has no capability of coming up with anything sensible.

 

Having had the misfortune of watching SevcoRangers the other week on telly they looked every bit the 3rd division side that they now are - Total guff.

 

Rangers are fortunate they have fans backing them, providing the money to replace what they have over the next few years... unless of course they start to make excuses when Chuck puts up the ticket prices next season.

[Hagar the Horrible]

The Arabs v Sevco game will be the acid test as to how far they have fell, bear in mind they got horsed by Thellik, but the added controversy might also create a siege mentality and if the opertunity arises to give sevco a doing I think they will take it. I don't think Sally has the wherewithal to out fox a proper manager

[Sidsnot]

A meeting at Hampden Pk to fast track Rangers into the 1st division.

Heard the meeting is tonight or tomorrow.

[OTT]

The Arabs v Sevco game will be the acid test as to how far they have fell, bear in mind they got horsed by Thellik, but the added controversy might also create a siege mentality and if the opertunity arises to give sevco a doing I think they will take it. I don't think Sally has the wherewithal to out fox a proper manager

 

Would love to let the arabs borrow webster and zal for that game, ******* hate sevco (UTD have pish centre backs)

[...a bit disco]

A meeting at Hampden Pk to fast track Rangers into the 1st division.

Heard the meeting is tonight or tomorrow.

 

That's not a meeting.

 

It's what is commonly known as a circle-jerk.

[Sidsnot]

 

 

That's not a meeting.

 

It's what is commonly known as a circle-jerk.

You've hit the nail on the head.

[...a bit disco]

You've hit the nail on the head.

[DETTY29]

Lee McCulloch's in the papers today claim that Ian Black ad Lee Wallace should be considered for the Scotland squad as they are doing well at the moment, the crazier thing is that he claims there isn't really a gap between the third division and SPL and that some 3rd division teams could play in the SPL.

 

Lee, I know your trying to big up your team-mates but there is better ways then making yourself look like a fool with that nonsense.

A meeting at Hampden Pk to fast track Rangers into the 1st division.

Heard the meeting is tonight or tomorrow.

If that happens (and I'm yet to be convinced) then all supporters groups and shareholders group have to start use words like 'bent' - not even corrupt - just bent.

[jamborich]

The Arabs v Sevco game will be the acid test as to how far they have fell, bear in mind they got horsed by Thellik, but the added controversy might also create a siege mentality and if the opertunity arises to give sevco a doing I think they will take it. I don't think Sally has the wherewithal to out fox a proper manager

 

Things are hotting up.

 

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/dundee-united-fans-plan-for-craig-whyte-masks-upsets-rangers-1-2755684

[colinmaroon]

Things are hotting up.

 

http://www.scotsman....ngers-1-2755684

 

 

Aw, precious!!!

 

Dear Blue Nose,

 

WHO started the bitching over this game?

 

Grow up and get a pair, you bunch of Namby Pambies!

 

Charles Greene quoting the Bible!!!

 

"7 years of plenty and 7 years of lean," so, another 6 years of sweet ###### adams!

 

[Hagar the Horrible]

 

 

 

Things are hotting up.

 

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/dundee-united-fans-plan-for-craig-whyte-masks-upsets-rangers-1-2755684

 

It's ok for Sevco fans so sign sectarian bile along with their new ugly sister Penn State, but wearing a mask of Craig Whyte is disgraceful and out of order

Yet not one word of apology for the cheating his old club the real club (now defunct) the one called Rangers. What Lance Armstrong did was bad enough but compared to the two its like Chelsea player Hazard been compared to Adolf Hitler.

 

If they are upset at a few masks, what will they be like when they play the sheep of the hoops, celtic had massive banners aimed at us, and guess what we took it on the chin, and went so what, bear in mind the same celtic fans also got upset at John Wilson chants. A bit of perspective is needed here, Craig while was an unscrupulous crook, whereas glorifying terrorism is harmless, get a grip and get over yourselves, Its down to every club to sort out their own house, but when you only pay lip service to it, then don't get upset when you a playing third division football because everybody else had JUST HAD ENOUGH!

[ellie0028]

Good on the Untied fan's I hope they carry this out,who do the newco think they are,tell their fans not to go to the game,then moan every time another club make fun of them!

 

Cant see why they are even complaining,not like their 'fans' are going to the game!

 

Its banter take it on the chin and move on!

[DETTY29]

John McMillan,

 

'Dundee United as a club should be doing all they can....

 

Oh the irony.

[DETTY29]

John McMillan,

 

'Dundee United as a club should be doing all they can....

 

Oh the irony.

[Rick Grimes]

If that happens (and I'm yet to be convinced) then all supporters groups and shareholders group have to start use words like 'bent' - not even corrupt - just bent.

 

 

If it happens I'd rather they all started using the word "boycott".

[Rick Grimes]

also, its ages since I had a right good laugh at "Rangers" so.........

 

 

 

[tartofmidlothian]

Fans groups were told at a meeting last night that Rangers won't record a profit this season, although the turnover will be 25-30m. Green exploring "all revenue possibilities". Most fans happy for naming rights to be sold as long as "Ibrox" is still in there.

 

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-fans-agree-to-ibrox-rename-plans-1-2756625

[Hagar the Horrible]

From last nights meeting, the interesting issues over and above the posturing and playing to the gallery was

 

Charles Green believes when he leaves Rangers we will NOT be playing in Scotland!!! Good then they are going bust then!!!! because don't thy have to play their home games in Scotland, or are they moving to the Democratic Republic of Yorkshire?????

 

Also this beauty:

 

Charles Green is having a book wrote by Traynor and he will talk about EVERYTHING that has happened at Ranger since he has been here.

 

 

I hope the book is as good-est at the grammer has been writified!

[graygo]

Fans groups were told at a meeting last night that Rangers won't record a profit this season, although the turnover will be 25-30m. Green exploring "all revenue possibilities". Most fans happy for naming rights to be sold as long as "Ibrox" is still in there.

 

http://www.scotsman....plans-1-2756625

 

[colinmaroon]

STV trumpets:

 

'Ally McCoist says, "It's time to heal wounds"!'

 

Serial killer says it's time for forgiveness - while sneaking out to add another victim!

[colinmaroon]

From last nights meeting, the interesting issues over and above the posturing and playing to the gallery was

 

Charles Green believes when he leaves Rangers we will NOT be playing in Scotland!!! Good then they are going bust then!!!! because don't thy have to play their home games in Scotland, or are they moving to the Democratic Republic of Yorkshire?????

 

Also this beauty:

 

Charles Green is having a book wrote by Traynor and he will talk about EVERYTHING that has happened at Ranger since he has been here.

 

 

I hope the book is as good-est at the grammer has been writified!

 

 

Really hooted at that one!

[graygo]

Wonder if anyone can clear something up for me.

 

I've just seen that another 5 Sevco games will be televised during March and April.

 

I believe the SFL sold their TV rights to the SPL for a figure of about a ?1m a year.

 

Does anyone know how much Sevco can expect to earn from televised games this season?

 

I'm sure as associate members they aren't really entitled to anything but I think this has been conveniently ignored.

[CJGJ]

9000 fewer season tickets sold this season despite the cheap prices

 

Mr Green earning ?360,000 per year and at this moment in time the club is running at a loss despite the still large crowds.

 

Despite talk early this week to try and appease the masses re filling in of corner areas to boost crowds and naming rights etc things are not quite as smooth as portrayed.

[jambovambo]

Jabba's latest attempts - this time to insult the dual contract meeting :

 

http://rangers.co.uk/news/opinion/item/3229-game-en-title-d-to-better

[DETTY29]

Jabba's latest attempts - this time to insult the dual contract meeting :

 

http://rangers.co.uk/news/opinion/item/3229-game-en-title-d-to-better

As per a few thinly veiled threats.

,

All anyone asks is that the commission is fair, without prejudice [see who is involved and no doubt it will be] and IF guilty Rangers are treated the same as anyone else would have been.

 

 

[The Gasman]

Jabba's latest attempts - this time to insult the dual contract meeting :

 

http://rangers.co.uk/news/opinion/item/3229-game-en-title-d-to-better

 

That's just stunning..!

 

 

[jamboruss]

fat hun fud

[269miles]

Jabba's latest attempts - this time to insult the dual contract meeting :

 

http://rangers.co.uk...tle-d-to-better

 

Another classic piece of rambling nonsense from Jabba : if he was in a boozer spouting this crap he'd get shredded by anyone with half a brain for facts.

 

As for his claim that UEFA can't take action against Rangers 2012 PLC ( or whatever the feck they are called these days) because THEY ARE NOT A FOOTBALL CLUB . I lost the will to read any more of his billshyte after that.