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Geoff Kilpatrick

So the corrupt, corpulent cretin will now just be paid directly, rather than by a side letter.

 

Now if Green could just see his way to hiring Dung as their Janitor (think he'd manage that?)...

Hong Kong Chico? :stuart:

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The thought of that is pleasing me greatly :rofl:

 

Every cloud and all that!

 

:D

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Should have bumped the Traynor Roaster thread to bring these startling revelations to a wider audience....

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ToadKiller Dog

Ha can't wait until Jabba loses the plot after tough questions .

Who would have thunk it that he would end up chief spin doctor for his real home .

Must lose his your call job straight away .

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Ha can't wait until Jabba loses the plot after tough questions .

Who would have thunk it that he would end up chief spin doctor for his real home .

Must lose his your call job straight away .

 

Tom English will be standing by.....

 

Cosgrove has frequently been on it recently too.

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tartofmidlothian

 

 

Tom English will be standing by.....

 

Cosgrove has frequently been on it recently too.

 

Either would be a monumental improvement, both good football journalists despite English's Hibee love. They'd be wasted on the people who phone in, mind you. Maybe Chick and the OF loving hordes of west Scotland should just get to fling shite at the walls together?

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Chick dung just said on the radio that 2 spl players have agreed to join the rangers once there ban is lifted.

 

Heard yesterday that McGowan has agreed to join them. Not a reliable source so may b nonsense

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Geoff Kilpatrick

Chick dung just said on the radio that 2 spl players have agreed to join the rangers once there ban is lifted.

 

Heard yesterday that McGowan has agreed to join them. Not a reliable source so may b nonsense

 

Interesting. Given that Sevco cannot sign anyone till next season, surely they don't want allegations of tapping up as well?

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Ha can't wait until Jabba loses the plot after tough questions .

Who would have thunk it that he would end up chief spin doctor for his real home .

Must lose his your call job straight away .

 

Traynor's delusional pseudo-intellectual style will be ripped apart by real journalists now he's in this new role.

 

I can't wait..! :)

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All duped no doubt.

 

 

It's a conspiracy!

 

Comical Ally wants the players named!

 

But, Ally, the players names are a matter of public record.

 

Comical Ally says they should be kept confidential!

 

Comical Ally says we know who these people are!

 

Comical Ally says that he does not agree with the letter bombs he's sent!

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low level claims? aye, but there's 67 of them. Even at 15k each it's still a million.

 

Potentially entitled to up to 90 days salary each if found in the favour of the players.

 

Both oldco & Sevco will be jointly liable if this is the case.

 

:jjyay:

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Potentially entitled to up to 90 days salary each if found in the favour of the players.

 

Both oldco & Sevco will be jointly liable if this is the case.

 

The first of several possible hits NewCo could take for their/OldCo's indescretions.

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Interesting stuff.

 

I recall a few employee relations lawyers on tv/radio around the time of the "transfer" and all of them felt that rangers were in breech of TUPE regulations. Tribunals are generally there to ensure that procedure was followed - it would appear that it wasn't.

 

:pleasing:

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All duped no doubt.

 

Who are they going to boycott and defame this time? The fat trio of Ally, Chuck and Traynor will allocate their collective brain cell to slag those involved no doubt.

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tartofmidlothian

Club source = Jabba the Hun's first official spin .

 

:spoton:

 

Am I right in thinking you can't take legal action on behalf of someone else without their permission?

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Am I right in thinking you can't take legal action on behalf of someone else without their permission?

 

Correct, but I wouldn't expect Jabba The Hun to know that. :blink:

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Am I right in thinking you can't take legal action on behalf of someone else without their permission?

 

You can't have class action lawsuits under Scots Law or at least you couldn't when shareholders tried to sue RBS a couple of years ago.

 

Both 'Rangers' and 'The Rangers' have various English domiciled companies in their holding structure (e.g the original Sevco and Whyte's holding company) so if the PFA were to go after these entities in an English court then the ex players would have to opt out of that class as they'd automatically be included.

 

Not sure whether employment tribunals in Scotland are covered by Scots or English law either.

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http://www.scotsman....ngers-1-2688909

 

The latest from Tom English - worth a read to remind yourself how totally nuts the Rangers collapse has been. :dizzy2:

Point 13 , last sentence is an absolute beaut. :10900:

 

IN THIS space every year we do an alternative review of the previous 12 months in the madhouse that is Scottish football.

 

It?s not so much an examination of what happened on the field but an exploration some of the gobsmacking sideshows that you find in the game in this country.

The quality of the product might be plummeting, but if you?re interested in ?peculiar characters and berserk ?goings-on then this is the place.

For instance, the top ten off-your-rocker moments from the past two years featured bombs in the post at Celtic, a sex offender at Hearts, two kidnappings, the whodunit involving Allan McGregor lying in a pool of his own blood outside his Glasgow flat, a bitter dispute between an evolutionary biologist and the media man of the Catholic church in Scotland over Hugh Dallas, a row between Charlie Mulgrew and bra boss Michelle Mone, Kyle Lafferty mistaking Charlie Nicholas for a cricketer and Craig Brown getting involved in a touchline punch-up with a mouthy Dane.

This year we?re making the review the alternative to the alternative. By that we mean it?s all about Rangers this time. And it?s not a top ten either. In an attempt to round up as many snapshots from the most historic, and most mental, year in the life of ?Rangers, we?ve made it a top 20 ? and still we?re leaving stuff out.

At Ibrox, the year is ending pretty much as it began, with controversy and head-scratching puzzlement, the latest episode being this spat between the club and PFA Scotland that is mystifyingly complex and a small bit bonkers. Fitting, that, because complex and bonkers are two words that could easily summarise what has happened and what is continuing to happen at Rangers.

So here we are, then. A sideways look at the Rangers story in 20 vignettes.

20. James Traynor exits journalism to become the Malcolm Tucker of Ibrox, wooed by Charles Green who rewards his new communications fixer with an eye-watering salary and as much as succulent lamb as he can possibly eat.

19. A day in June when John Brown, outside the front door at Ibrox, did his own unique version of Martin Luther King?s I Have A Dream as he attacks Charles Green and declares that he?s putting together his own consortium to ?buy them oot?. His audience is agog at his oratory. ?People ask me who?s yer investors. Youse! My ?investors are youse!? Cue rapturous ?applause, much swearing and lots more Bomber.

18. Tennessee Tow-Truck tycoon Bill Miller, made preferred bidder by Duff and Phelps, only to change his mind when he finally realised what the hell he was letting himself in for. He claimed he didn?t like the look of the finances, but some abusive emails might also have had something to do with it. He can?t have been best pleased to be door-stepped by a Scottish tabloid either. We can only imagine his reaction when he realised that the Daily Record had stuck him on page one under the headline: ?GERS TYCOON, 65, DATES BECKY, 37 ? BILL?S BEAUTY QUEEN LOVER?. That was the last we heard from Mr Miller.

17. The rise and fall of rangerstaxcase, the blogging phenomenon that led the way on the reporting of Rangers? EBT travails, only to get so emboldened by its own success that it misread the judgment when it finally arrived, tweeting about his victory only to realise shortly after that it was actually a defeat. Where has he gone? And will he return?

16. From June, the story of the two Glasgow businessmen, Allan Stewart and Stephen McKenna, who were reported as being ready to launch an ?11 million bid for the club, only to do a Miller within 24 hours. Scandal upon scandal. One of them was outed as a Celtic fan.

15. Dave King swans into Glasgow in February after the club falls into administration, threatens to sue everybody and then goes away again to continue his fight with the South ?African Revenue Services.

14. The battle of the Lords as Carloway upholds the findings of the SFA?s judicial panel report into how Craig Whyte got his hands on Rangers and what, precisely, he got up to during his brief reign, and then gets undermined by Lord Glennie, who reckons the transfer embargo is out of order.

13. Walter Smith?s comedy bid to take over the club that came and went in the blink of an eye. Smith reckoned that Charles Green should have handed him the club for ?6m, despite the fact that Green had already shelled out considerably more than ?6m to buy it in the first place. Smith launched his ?bid? on the day it was announced that the club would be liquidated, a delay that rather begged the question: ?If the club meant so much to you, why didn?t you act sooner?? As we said at the time, it was akin to busting in on a funeral with a defibrillator.

12. Charles Green and his phantom transfer targets, five of whom were supposed to be playing in Euro 2012. We could do a top 20 on Green alone.

11. Duff and Phelps, paid a fortune to do not a whole lot from what we can make out, could also be the subject of a separate top 20. From a long list of contenders we pick just one cameo ? their constant statements that HMRC would probably seek to do a deal for a CVA rather than play hardball and plunge the club into liquidation. ?They [HMRC] have never, ever, suggested that they are going to be belligerent,? said the administrators. And for that sage analysis they were paid millions.

10. Ally McCoist reacts to the transfer embargo by demanding to know the identities of the judicial panel that handed down the verdict, despite his club agreeing that their identities should remain private for fear of reprisals, which came soon enough when the three-man panel was named. ?Make no mistake about it,? said the Rangers manager. ?This panel is not totally to blame for the death of our football club if it happens, but this particular decision could kill our football club.? Not McCoist?s finest hour.

9. Brian Kennedy?s involvement in the takeover story was always bizarre. ?I?ll take it or leave it,? he said about his interest in buying the club. ?I know this sounds a bit smarmy, but I feel a social responsibility to make sure this great institution doesn?t disappear. Maybe I?ve suffered a lobotomy without realising it.?

8. The plot against Ally McCoist. In the beginning, Charles Green was a baddie who was reported to be ?plotting to get rid of his manager, who did nothing to shoot down the story when it first emerged, the story being written by James Traynor, who is ?now Green?s big mate. At that point, Green?s goose looked well and ?truly cooked. You couldn?t see him recovering from this apparent act of treachery.

7. Charles Green makes Lazarus look like a warm-up act. He had John Brown baying for his head, he had the fans in a state of rebellion, he had ?McCoist refusing to come to his rescue and from that impossible position he was won everybody over. The man is a marvel. He?s even got Walter Smith in the door. Not long ago, Smith saw him as bad news.

6. The SFA?s judicial panel report and the things it said about Sir David Murray, some of them via Martin Bain. Bain said he expressed concern to Murray about his lack of due diligence on Craig Whyte before selling the club to him. He presented Murray with a copy of an investigation into the business background of Whyte but if Murray read it then he didn?t place much store in it. Later, Murray said Whyte duped him.

5 Clip art and Craig Whyte?s homemade invoices. You couldn?t make it up. Er...

4. The strange case of Mr Red as told in the FTT report. Mr Red was a senior member of the Murray Group?s tax function and the scourge of the tribunal. ?The protracted and chequered course of the enquiry was largely due to a lack of candour and co-operation from Mr Red,? writes Dr Heidi Poon, the dissenting voice on the panel. A few days later, Rangers fans were still slamming the delays in the case being resolved. Murray?s man Mr Red was part of the reason.

3 Craig Whyte comes clean about Ticketus, kind of. Having said for months and months that he had lodged his own money in an account to buy Rangers, he finally admits that he didn?t, and that the money was from Ticketus. In the same statement he said he was considering donating his shares to a Rangers foundation and that he still saw himself as something of a hero in this farrago. Bonkers.

2. The porn star. Needs no further ?explanation.

1. The laugh out loud moment to beat them all. Whyte?s assertion that Prince Albert of Monaco was poised to invest in Rangers. Yes, Craig. Of course he was.

That?s the top 20. The sad truth is that you could do a top 100 and still not to get to the bottom of the craziness of the Rangers story this past year. God knows what awaits them in 2013.

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Just flicked onto ESPN, to find that there is a Montrose vs the rangers game about to start. Caption comes up with McCulloch the highest scorer in Scottish football this season with 19 goals (omitting to mention that he is playing against brickies, postmen and bank clerks). Cut to Mark Hateley on the pitch with microphone stating that he is a good honest professional, well I for one disagree he is an elbowing, cheating clogger, who would not make it to the end of many matches if he was playing for any other team (apart from cellick).

I quickly turned over to another channel.

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They are like the worst kind of playground/pub bully/hardman, quite happy picking on others to suit their own agenda, but when someone dares take a swipe back at them, they come over all holier than thou.

 

Arseholes!

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http://www.scotsman....rce=twitterfeed

 

Hmm. Horribly offended by something that's actually a good joke. Bullying and nasty.

 

Sounds like rangers tbf.

 

All factually correct - but as fans of NewHunCo are in total denial they just refuse to ackowledge the facts as they are.

 

Cannae wait for these scumbags to visit Tynescastle. The pesh taking will be of epic proportions.

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Don't see anything wrong with it. The truth hurts as is often said.

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Don't see anything wrong with it. The truth hurts as is often said.

 

Correct, and they seem to miss the point that the more they squeal about it, the more attention they bring to it. If it wasn't for the Rangers fans themselves, how many folks would even have read Montrose's programme notes..?

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Don't see anything wrong with it. The truth hurts as is often said.

 

Me neither its spot on to honest , but it is funny , good on Montrose in my eyes !

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Eldar Hadzimehmedovic

I don't think that's a joke in the Montrose programme. They've just written their interpretation of what happened.

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I don't think that's a joke in the Montrose programme. They've just written their interpretation of what happened.

But....but....but.....

 

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But....but....but.....

 

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:lies:

 

When did they change the year of their formation from 1873 to 1872 anyways??

 

Always thought they would have changed it to 1690 if they were just picking dates.

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There's been a move in mood from the Rangers (IL) fans since the big tax case was 'won'. Guys that used to say that they deserved to be in Div 3* aren't as accomodating now. It's all you lot tried to kill us for no reason. Their club has been exonerated with the BTC 'win' and should never have been been chucked out.

 

They still seem to conveniently forget that they were never 'chucked out' and that irrespective of the BTC they would still have been liquidated. Indeed liquidation has been a very, very, good result for them. If the share option is successful, which if Green has his ?17m corporate investors, it has been. With good mangement they should be back at the top level with a very healthy, liability free balance sheet and no real reason not to be challenging at the top end of the league immediately.

 

Let's humour them (and I admit myself as well) for a moment and wonder what would have been required to avoid liquidation.

 

- Whyte announces to the Bears (say in November time) that there is a significant shortfall in working capital to allow the club to see the season out. (?15-?20m if you include the immediate monies due to Hector plus another ?10m in wages - remember the upto 75% reduction in wages agreements)

- The club has 2 months to raise the money or the consequences to the future of the club is grave.

- Rangers have to agree with Hector a very strict repayment plan that by say end January all outstanding day to day PAYE/NI/VAT and 'wee tax case' where liability has already been admitted must be fully paid and continue to be paid up to date.

- Any shortfall from the share issue has to be offset by a significant 'fire sale' of players. Remembering it's out in the open that they are close to death so they aren't in agreat bargaining position.

- Hector re-enforces his position that irrespective of the result of the FTTT that he will appeal and continue to appeal and appeal and appeal. As a result Rangers negotiate rather than see the BTC/FTTT to it's conclusion. And as has been evidenced by his 'reasonable' position with us, he will give them c. 3 years to pay it back, if he wins. (That's ?15-17m a year plus the Ticketus money ?9m pa?) with virtually no recognised 'Rangers standard' players left.

 

It would take them years and years to come back from that. IMO, a lot more than starting in Div 3 with a clean balance sheet.

 

I'm still convinced Whyte was brought in by someone to liquidate them. No-one ever thought that the fans of the clubs (I do believe if it was left to the owners/chariman there is a good chance they would have voted them in - note to Rangers (IL) sympathisers, not wouldn't have relegated them, not wouldn't have chucked them out, but would have voted SevCo in) would stand pretty much together in demanding that Rangers were to be treated the same was as their own club under the same circumstances.

 

*Indeed if any bears/Green are saying that they should not be in Div 3, just go and ask their new Head of PR/Comms or whatever Jabba's title is what his view on what should happen was? Jabba was always clear and consistent that a liquidated club should start in Div 3, but Rangers were too big for that to happen due to impact on the Scottish game. He did change his tune a little after the BTC 'win' and started to blame billious internet warriors and Rangers haters.

 

Vlad is an erse and we all can be too at times, but compared to that lot we can all hold our heads up high. Even if it's just to say, at least I'm not one of them.

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Some numbers from Rangers Media about their share offer.

(disclaimer ..... this is Rangers Media, so sources cannot be trusted)

 

If true, it puts the response of Hearts fans in a good light.

 

Date...........Web App..Web Amt..Paper Apps.. Paper Amt..Total Apps..Total Amt

08/12/2012.. 236....... ?211,000.......... 0 ...............?0............... 236....... ?211,000

09/12/2012.. 143....... ?115,800.......... 0 ...............?0 ...............143...... ?115,800

10/12/2012.. 311....... ?270,400.......... 0 ...............?0 ...............311...... ?270,400

11/12/2012.. 335....... ?292,600.......... 0 ...............?0 ...............335...... ?292,600

12/12/2012.. 278....... ?219,700.......... 6 ........?4,600 ...............284...... ?224,300

13/12/2012.. 306....... ?296,300.......... 8 ........?5,500 ...............314...... ?301,800

14/12/2012.. 191....... ?162,300........ 27 ......?14,100 ...............218...... ?176,400

 

Totals .......1,800..... ?1,568,100....... 41 ......?24,200 .............1,841... ?1,592,300

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Shameless bump if only to keep the spirit of christmas flowing.

 

The "bump" is fair as RIFC started trading on the AIM exchange this morning.

 

The shares have opened higher, with the current mid price of 76.5p giving a scary market cap of ?49M.

 

Whatever you think of Green and his "investors", he's pulled off a cracking result for his initial consortium.

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The "bump" is fair as RIFC started trading on the AIM exchange this morning.

 

The shares have opened higher, with the current mid price of 76.5p giving a scary market cap of ?49M.

 

Whatever you think of Green and his "investors", he's pulled off a cracking result for his initial consortium.

 

Certainly looking that way... :blink:

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Am I correct in thinking that Green has said that the investors who stumped up the ?5.5m to buy the carcass were promised a 100% return? If so, does that mean that ?11m of the share issue will be spirited away? Mind you with Chuckles does anyone believe anything he says now?

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The "bump" is fair as RIFC started trading on the AIM exchange this morning.

 

The shares have opened higher, with the current mid price of 76.5p giving a scary market cap of ?49M.

 

Whatever you think of Green and his "investors", he's pulled off a cracking result for his initial consortium.

 

certainly looks impressive. However the story has much still to give.

No idea given about how much was raised from individual supporters.

And it appears from where I looked that all share sales so far have been 'off exchange' i.e. there are no published trades

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