The Rangers soap opera goes on and on.

[rossthejambo]

I tell you what these statements that the SFL clubs have released have made far more sense than any SPL club.

 

Sent from my GT-N7000 using Tapatalk 2

 

Yep, I've found myself agreeing with them all. They're not tarnished with the Sky/ESPN money and say it like it is which is unbelievably refreshing after suffering years of unmitigated bull shit from everyone involved in the SPL.

[Generic Username]

Can anyone get access to the statement Clyde have just put out? Their website keeps crashing on me.

[Ecce Romanov]

Seems like everyone is doing a Pontius Pilate

[Rick Grimes]

As did the SFL chief David Longmuir

 

 

David Longmuir described the scare dossier that went out to the SFL clubs as "the facts". He's a complete helmet & another liar to boot.

[Pohang Jambo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWX19l0YOxs Edited July 4, 2012 by Pohang Jambo

[Munch]

Rangers latest LiveScottish Premier League chairmen gather at Hampden to discuss whether a "newco" Rangers should be in the top flight.

4 July 2012

 

 

?Scottish Premier League chairmen at Hampden ahead of proposed vote on "newco" Rangers

?SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster says meeting will be "keenly contested"

?Partick Thistle urge the Scottish Football Association to "take ownership" of the Rangers crisis

Reporting by

Thomas McGuigan, BBC Sport

 

1314:

Regarding the possibility of Rangers heading down to the First Division next season, Doncaster said: "There's lots of things that need to happen before that might take place.

 

"The SFL clubs will be meeting again next Thursday and will be voting on that. It remains to be seen how that plays out. But there's a resolution on the table today for our clubs to consider the idea of Rangers coming back into the SPL with appropriate sanctions.

 

"That will certainly be keenly debated, given people have different views and we'll see what happens."

1310:

Earlier today, SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster spoke to BBC Scotland about the vexed issue of where the Rangers "newco" should play next season...

1308:

Brian Healy: "Do you have any intentions to report on the growing calls amongst fans for Neil Doncaster/Stewart Regan to step down?"

 

Mallorca Saint: "Finding a Higgs Boson is as hard as finding integrity and honesty in Scottish Football #bbcsportsound #spl #newcofarce"

1306:

Get in touch with your views on the latest developments, or lack of, on Twitter using the hashtag #bbcsportsound or send me a message @bbcthomasmcg

 

And you can also get in touch via text to 80295 - please remember to put GERS at the start of your message.

1302:

Scottish Premier League chairmen have been at Hampden since this morning, ahead of an anticipated vote on where Rangers should play their football next season.

 

However, and there always seems to be a however with the Rangers story recently, our senior football reporter Chris McLaughlin believes the vote may be delayed.

1300:

Good afternoon and welcome to our live text coverage of the latest involving Rangers.

1312:

SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster

"The three viable options are effectively: bringing "newco" Rangers back into the SPL with a range of appropriate sanctions; putting Rangers into the second tier of Scottish football or Rangers going into the bottom of the pyramid into Division Three.

 

"The third option, I was keen to stress yesterday, would inflict massive damage on the whole of the game in Scotland; and effectively punish 41 innocent clubs for the misdeeds of one."

1304:

BBC Scotland's Chris McLaughlin: "SPL meeting continues here at Hampden. I can report though, that someone just walked down the stairs whistling a ditty from Les Mis?rables."

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[davieholt]

Can anyone get access to the statement Clyde have just put out? Their website keeps crashing on me.

 

Me too. I think Tony McKelvie has broken their server

[bean counter]

Apologies if posted already, but here's 'a little something which the SFA prepared earlier.....'

Leaked SFA doc

 

 

Seen that already. Point 10 is a beauty - if you get let back in you only need to stay in the Scottsh league for three years.

 

All this to tie them in for only 3 years why

 

They have been asked for a 5 year plan so why no 5 year tie in,

 

whats in the plan ?

[I P Knightley]

Dodgy Doncaster should be pointing out to all the clubs that the financial loss to Scottish football will be massive if newco are not placed in the 3rd division because if his scheme to shoehorn them into either the SPL Or the SFL Division 1 works.

Then thousands of fans will "Walk away " from Scottish Football forever.

 

Significantly, though, it won't be Rangers (or Celtic) fans and that's all that Doncaster is worried about.

 

If this vote is postponed till after the SFL teams vote, as being reported on Talksport, then it shows that SPL chairman are a bunch of weak cowards.

 

The only reason they want to know the outcome of the SFL vote first it to determine which way they vote themselves. Ie

 

SFL vote them into 1st division. SPL clubs vote NO and maintain their "sporting integrity" (Sky will be happy, SPL clubs will tell their fans Rangers have been punished, Rangers will be happy)

 

If SFL vote NO and they want rangers in the 3rd, I bet you, the SPL clubs will vote YES! (clubs will face a backlash from fans, but in the end for them, money talks)

 

It's a damned disgrace if this vote is not taken today, and of course a NO to Newco is the outcome.

 

Echoed here, Patches.

 

There remit is to decide whether or not Sevco should take Rangers's place in the SPL. Beyond that, it's up to someone else to decided their subsequent fate.

 

Maybe we've got it all wrong and they're sitting round the table making jokes about what name Sevoc should be known as and coming up with nicknames for Doncaster. Maybe the lamb's on the table and the cabernet's at room temperature.

[Hagar the Horrible]

Clyde are not used to having a couple of people accessing their site then?

[John Montgomery]

If NewCo are allowed into the 1st, why doesn't Romanov do exactly the same with us? Nae debt - jubbly.

 

Because the debt is to his companies (or at least the vast majority of it if not every penny) so it wouldn't work. He has already written off some of the debt without going dowen that road.

[Ray Gin]

Mallorca Saint: "Finding a Higgs Boson is as hard as finding integrity and honesty in Scottish Football #bbcsportsound #spl #newcofarce"

 

Well said.

[269miles]

Clarity on point 2;

Almost incredibly, all 3 TV deals; Sky, ESPN and Sports 5 have a clause in them allowing the company concerned to walk away from the SPL entirely, with no penalty, if both Rangers and Celtic are not in the SPL.

This was confirmed at the meeting yesterday.

I suspect the incompetence involved in allowing such a contract to be signed is why a certain individual is desperate to come up with a solution which is acceptable to the 3 TV companies and which, if delivered, will mean they do not invoke the clause.

Self-preservation.

 

SO, all the while that the OF were desperately trying to flog themselves off like a $5 whore to the English leagues, their fellow SPL chairmen knew they were facing financial armageddon & bankruptcy if this were to happen. You just can't make this stuff up. I genuinely used to think Vlad was a bitter , bad loser with no grip on reality. How wrong can a guy be.

[brunoatemyhamster]

If NewCo are allowed into the 1st, why doesn't Romanov do exactly the same with us? Nae debt - jubbly.

 

Hearts and Oldco are a different situation. Why would Vlad bump himself? I'd certainly hope from now on Vlad say's what he want's and laugh's at them when they try to fine him!The door will be left wide open for anyone with a bit of bottle.

 

He COULD sell his debt to someone and they could do it though? Anyone got a pound? wonder why no-ones thought of that?

Edited July 4, 2012 by brunoatemyhamster

[livingstonjambo]

Clyde Statement

 

 

 

The club sent two directors to attend the meeting of the SFL clubs yesterday and they have reported back to the Board. The meeting and conversations covered the best part of 5 hours but there were only a few overarching themes.

 

The clear message portrayed is that Scottish Football is in a very dark place indeed and there is simply no good solution to what is now a structural problem that has gone beyond a one dimensional issue of where Rangers should play next season. No matter what happens now there is going to be enormous fallout across the Scottish game. Whether some good can be extracted from the impending mess will depend entirely on the SPL clubs, guided by the currently absent leadership of the SFA.

 

Neil Doncaster wanted only one thing from the meeting, to get a steer from the SFL clubs whether they would allow Rangers into SFL1. He talked the clubs through a detailed explanation of where the SPL clubs would lose ?16m next season if Rangers were not entered to the top division of the SFL. This was delivered as a matter of fact, it was a "reality". It seems that most, if not all, major sponsors of the SPL have exit clauses if either of the 'Old Firm' are not within the SPL. The total figure was not new, but the detail behind the number and its impact on individual clubs in the SPL was set out clearly. There were challenges made regarding the flip side of saving the central income from sponsors and media, the obvious impact of loss of supporters to the game who have strongly voiced their intent. Supporter reaction has not been factored in, again there are realities, the SPL clubs are waiting on their Sky cheques in August and clearly that was more important. Nowhere in the presentation was account taken on the impact to the finances of clubs, and more importantly the relevance of the game, should supporters stay at home.

 

The consequential impact on the SFL from the presentation was that the SFL would lose its entitlement to circa ?2m per annum from the Settlement Agreement put together to compensate the SFL for the SPL breakaway, this was made very clear by Neil Doncaster. He told the clubs that if the SPL didn't have the money then they could not pay the SFL. The reality however, which was clear from the detailed figures, is that the SPL, whilst losing an enormous amount of funding, would have the cash to make payment; it is just that the SPL would not meet the legal obligation to the SFL as the cash would be used to finance the SPL teams.

 

The undeniable statement made on behalf of the SPL is commercially understandable. The SPL would not allow ?16m to flow out of their coffers, the impact would be too catastrophic for the SPL clubs to contemplate and as such the only options are that Rangers enter SFL1 or, as a less attractive backstop, a breakaway SPL2 will be formed. There is no prospect, from an SPL point of view, that SFL3 can be allowed to happen.

 

Neil Doncaster was delivering a very unpalatable proposition and he did it clearly and effectively, hence the representatives of Clyde Football Club understood that the only thing that mattered was the impact on SPL clubs from the loss of money from media and sponsors.

 

It was to the credit of every SFL club, and probably to the surprise of Neil Doncaster, that nobody asked him to improve on the ?1m offer.

 

The SFL clubs were given a steer for themselves by Neil Doncaster, if the SFL could not tell him how they might vote, then he would expect the SPL clubs not to vote at their meeting either.

 

There were a few new things learned in the meeting, not least that the rules of the SFL would allow any club accepted into the SFL, by a simple majority, to be placed in any division. The rules do not state, nor imply, that they must join at the bottom tier, only custom and practice around good governance and integrity has seen teams join in the bottom tier. In addition, the attendees at the meeting were left in absolutely no doubt whatsoever by Stewart Regan that if the SPL clubs voted to allow a Newco into the SPL then it would be blocked by the SFA refusing to transfer the SFA membership. It was however caveated well enough to make it less than an absolute statement. The meeting was full of implied actions and outcomes, the use of clever language when delivering the speeches allows anyone to defend with ?that is not what I said'. However, nobody will have left the meeting with anything other than the very clear messages being put across. Denials of the substance of the message being delivered do not assist anyone in this absolutely dreadful situation.

 

There will be no winners. Any level of integrity for the sport will be lost by one outcome and financial collapse, we are told, will fall upon the SPL with the other. Sadly, the SFA and SPL have decided that whilst they say they are looking for a collaborative solution, they have very clearly made sure that by their own inaction that the blame will sit with the SFL - no matter what the outcome. The Board of the SFL are being put under intolerable pressure by the other bodies looking to avoid the implications of properly applying their own governance procedures.

 

In summary, the SFA implication is that there will be no entry to the SPL. The SPL implication is that it therefore has to be SFL1 with a bit of restructure, or an SPL2 with the rest of the SFL cut adrift. There were no other options. Whilst Stewart Regan said that the SFA did not favour an SPL2, there was no equivalent abhorrence of that proposal as was attached to the proposal for a Newco in the SPL, leaving the implication that the door remains wide open for the SPL to secure their ?16m with or without the SFL.

 

The Board of the club will consider the feedback from its representatives and also the outcomes of the next few days and will keep its supporters fully appraised, but in the meantime see no reason to amend any previous comment.

[Hagar the Horrible]

SO, all the while that the OF were desperately trying to flog themselves off like a $5 whore to the English leagues, their fellow SPL chairmen knew they were facing financial armageddon & bankruptcy if this were to happen. You just can't make this stuff up. I genuinely used to think Vlad was a bitter , bad loser with no grip on reality. How wrong can a guy be.

 

 

This is why Doncaster needs to go to allow a contract knowing that the OF were actively trying to get out to play down south, we would have been left with no deal?

 

Not he is clearly only acting in the interest of the OLD Firm and not ALL SPL clubs, that deal should not have been agreed, Time to fall on your own sword Neill.

[Hagar the Horrible]

Club Statement: SFL Meeting

Wed, 4th Jul 2012 12:34pm

The club sent two directors to attend the meeting of the SFL clubs yesterday and they have reported back to the Board. The meeting and conversations covered the best part of 5 hours but there were only a few overarching themes.

 

The clear message portrayed is that Scottish Football is in a very dark place indeed and there is simply no good solution to what is now a structural problem that has gone beyond a one dimensional issue of where Rangers should play next season. No matter what happens now there is going to be enormous fallout across the Scottish game. Whether some good can be extracted from the impending mess will depend entirely on the SPL clubs, guided by the currently absent leadership of the SFA.

 

Neil Doncaster wanted only one thing from the meeting, to get a steer from the SFL clubs whether they would allow Rangers into SFL1. He talked the clubs through a detailed explanation of where the SPL clubs would lose ?16m next season if Rangers were not entered to the top division of the SFL. This was delivered as a matter of fact, it was a "reality". It seems that most, if not all, major sponsors of the SPL have exit clauses if either of the 'Old Firm' are not within the SPL. The total figure was not new, but the detail behind the number and its impact on individual clubs in the SPL was set out clearly. There were challenges made regarding the flip side of saving the central income from sponsors and media, the obvious impact of loss of supporters to the game who have strongly voiced their intent. Supporter reaction has not been factored in, again there are realities, the SPL clubs are waiting on their Sky cheques in August and clearly that was more important. Nowhere in the presentation was account taken on the impact to the finances of clubs, and more importantly the relevance of the game, should supporters stay at home.

 

The consequential impact on the SFL from the presentation was that the SFL would lose its entitlement to circa ?2m per annum from the Settlement Agreement put together to compensate the SFL for the SPL breakaway, this was made very clear by Neil Doncaster. He told the clubs that if the SPL didn't have the money then they could not pay the SFL. The reality however, which was clear from the detailed figures, is that the SPL, whilst losing an enormous amount of funding, would have the cash to make payment; it is just that the SPL would not meet the legal obligation to the SFL as the cash would be used to finance the SPL teams.

 

The undeniable statement made on behalf of the SPL is commercially understandable. The SPL would not allow ?16m to flow out of their coffers, the impact would be too catastrophic for the SPL clubs to contemplate and as such the only options are that Rangers enter SFL1 or, as a less attractive backstop, a breakaway SPL2 will be formed. There is no prospect, from an SPL point of view, that SFL3 can be allowed to happen.

 

Neil Doncaster was delivering a very unpalatable proposition and he did it clearly and effectively, hence the representatives of Clyde Football Club understood that the only thing that mattered was the impact on SPL clubs from the loss of money from media and sponsors.

 

It was to the credit of every SFL club, and probably to the surprise of Neil Doncaster, that nobody asked him to improve on the ?1m offer.

 

The SFL clubs were given a steer for themselves by Neil Doncaster, if the SFL could not tell him how they might vote, then he would expect the SPL clubs not to vote at their meeting either.

 

There were a few new things learned in the meeting, not least that the rules of the SFL would allow any club accepted into the SFL, by a simple majority, to be placed in any division.

 

The rules do not state, nor imply, that they must join at the bottom tier, only custom and practice around good governance and integrity has seen teams join in the bottom tier. In addition, the attendees at the meeting were left in absolutely no doubt whatsoever by Stewart Regan that if the SPL clubs voted to allow a Newco into the SPL then it would be blocked by the SFA refusing to transfer the SFA membership. It was however caveated well enough to make it less than an absolute statement. The meeting was full of implied actions and outcomes, the use of clever language when delivering the speeches allows anyone to defend with ?that is not what I said'. However, nobody will have left the meeting with anything other than the very clear messages being put across. Denials of the substance of the message being delivered do not assist anyone in this absolutely dreadful situation.

There will be no winners. Any level of integrity for the sport will be lost by one outcome and financial collapse, we are told, will fall upon the SPL with the other. Sadly, the SFA and SPL have decided that whilst they say they are looking for a collaborative solution, they have very clearly made sure that by their own inaction that the blame will sit with the SFL - no matter what the outcome. The Board of the SFL are being put under intolerable pressure by the other bodies looking to avoid the implications of properly applying their own governance procedures.

 

In summary, the SFA implication is that there will be no entry to the SPL. The SPL implication is that it therefore has to be SFL1 with a bit of restructure, or an SPL2 with the rest of the SFL cut adrift. There were no other options. Whilst Stewart Regan said that the SFA did not favour an SPL2, there was no equivalent abhorrence of that proposal as was attached to the proposal for a Newco in the SPL, leaving the implication that the door remains wide open for the SPL to secure their ?16m with or without the SFL.

 

The Board of the club will consider the feedback from its representatives and also the outcomes of the next few days and will keep its supporters fully appraised, but in the meantime see no reason to amend any previous comment.

[Jambo66]

Because his bank would lose thirty million quid?

 

In effect our debt is broadly held by our owner. It is useful for tax and accounting reasons for the debt to remain in place, but to all intents and purposes, he has already lost the ?30m. The only way he gets it back is if someone buys Hearts and takes on that debt.

 

Put it another way, lets say we have debts of ?30m and assets of ?10m - the actual figures don't much matter. That means we are worth -?20m. If someone comes along and offers to take on Hearts and our debt for ?1, then our great leader gets ?20m. Our new owner has actually paid ?20m because he is now the person owed the debt. If instead, VR writes off our debt completely, that same purchaser would happily offer ?20m as he would be in exactly the same position. So would VR.

 

The point is that so long as VR can get Hearts to wash its face financially, there is no likeihood, advantage or requirement for anything to happen to our overall debt.

[Alva-Jambo]

He'll never be booked in a RFC jersey.

 

Nor can he ever wear one.. ! ( extinct)

[kingantti1874]

that is absolutely incredible... im at the point where Scottish football must come to an end and restart

Edited July 4, 2012 by kingantti1874

[Thig Ar Latha]

All this to tie them in for only 3 years why

 

They have been asked for a 5 year plan so why no 5 year tie in,

 

whats in the plan ?

 

The plan should be for the SFA to get rid of the SPL. What is the use in having a Board who can't make any decisions without the Express approval of sponsors and TV Companies. A classic case of the Tail wagging the Dog!

 

SPL = Not Fit For Purpose. We deserve better.

[Carl Spackler]

My advice to the SFL clubs. **** the lot of them. They made their bed and they can lie in it.

[Mon the Hearts]

If this vote is postponed till after the SFL teams vote, as being reported on Talksport, then it shows that SPL chairman are a bunch of weak cowards.

 

The only reason they want to know the outcome of the SFL vote first it to determine which way they vote themselves. Ie

 

SFL vote them into 1st division. SPL clubs vote NO and maintain their "sporting integrity" (Sky will be happy, SPL clubs will tell their fans Rangers have been punished, Rangers will be happy)

 

If SFL vote NO and they want rangers in the 3rd, I bet you, the SPL clubs will vote YES! (clubs will face a backlash from fans, but in the end for them, money talks)

 

It's a damned disgrace if this vote is not taken today, and of course a NO to Newco is the outcome.

Agreed, they hope teh SFL will do their dirty work. Its is however looking increasingly likely that it will be SPL next season. SFL clubs have started to come out stating their stance has not changed

 

"I can confirm for the avoidance of doubt, our position has not changed. We will continue to vote no to newco" John Yorkston

[brunoatemyhamster]

Did someone say Vlad had Lost ?30 million quid? seriously? BAD MATH.

[Sterling Archer]

That Clyde statement. Wow.

[Carl Spackler]

Did someone say Vlad had Lost ?30 million quid? seriously? BAD MATH.

 

Share issues and purchase have effectively lost him huge sums of money.

[Alwaysinourshadows]

If newco go straight into the SPL then the Scottish game is fecked.

[Sterling Archer]

the Scottish game is fecked.

Fixed

[Hagar the Horrible]

John DC Gow ?@JohnDCGow

Clyde FC have said the SFA's Stewart Regan left them in "absolutely no doubt whatsoever" he would block newco RFC in SPL.

[peter_hmfc]

Fixed

 

[Alva-Jambo]

Hearts and Oldco are a different situation. Why would Vlad bump himself? I'd certainly hope from now on Vlad say's what he want's and laugh's at them when they try to fine him!The door will be left wide open for anyone with a bit of bottle.

 

He COULD sell his debt to someone and they could do it though? Anyone got a pound? wonder why no-ones thought of that?

 

- Because the arguments Dungcaster and regan are trying to make to support newco Rangers, would not apply to any other team facing the same situation.

Hearts would be offered divison 3 application. Also, any team beaing seen to have deliberately invoked liquidation would be er.. 'punished'.

 

Remember ' every application is to be made on its own merits' ie, no to any level playing field and no to any democracy.

[269miles]

I'm not going to link to the Clyde statement as it has been posted several times already on this thread. But.... just take a few minutes out to read and then re-read that statement.

 

It is absolutely staggering in its content IMO. In short , the SFL have to come to the rescue of the SPL (for that , read the OF). Every major sponsorship deal can/will be cancelled if the OF aren't involved in the SPL. The SFL , who have been shafted right royally by the SPL are being told to get RFC 2012 into Div1 pronto , stop whining about the impact it has on them and get on with it.

As for Regan , him and Doncaster should get in the same car and head south. Words fail me.

[Eldar Hadzimehmedovic]

Defo a soft spot for Clyde now. .

 

So all corporate sponsors of the SPL have it written into their contracts that they can tear them up if Celtic or Rangers are not in the SPL? And Celtic and Rangers want to leave te SPL? And the SFA only need Sevco to commit for three years? And the SPL clubs are down with ALL of this?

[davieholt]

If only BDO would step in and reverse the transfer to Sevco now.

 

It would stop the SFL clubs having to sort out the whole mess.

[brunoatemyhamster]

Share issues and purchase have effectively lost him huge sums of money.

 

I would debate that,but it's a subject that's best left untouched at this moment.All ill say if UKIO have not made a profit from Hearts up till now, (not even counting what the assets are worth) i'd be amazed.

[rossthejambo]

That Clyde statement more or less confirms our fears that Rangers will be back sooner rather than later then.

 

Absolutely ridiculous and frankly disgusting treatment of the SFL clubs by those at the apparent head of our game here in Scotland. They're in for a rude awakening when their attendances go through the floor come the start of the season. The sheer arrogance that they haven't even factored in attendance drops is just ludicrous.

 

I'm as good as done with Scottish football, I have to say.

[Jamboelite]

Clyde Statement

 

 

 

Well at least one club stands up and says what the underlying message was yesterday.

 

We will put Rangers where we want, it's upto you whether we do this the hard way or the easy way but effectively we dont care about the SPL clubs or the SFL ones.

 

This ?16m still doesnt answer the main question for me

"Have you sought and an amended contract with Sky minus Rangers and if so what is it ?"

"Have you looked at other media outlets for selling our rights to the SPL and have you asked sponsors whether they would or wouldnt walk away"

 

I find it incredible that since Feb these meetings wouldnt have taken place with Sky acknowledging the worst possible outcome for them in terms of Rangers not being there and what that would mean for the SPL.

 

Also what is the point in the meeting today if its confirmed even a Yes will be blocked what are they having tea and biscuits in there punting the pressure on clubs that dont even get the financial reward of the SPL.

 

If I was a club chairman of the SFL I would tell the SPL to ram it as the SPL chairman should have handled this themselves.

 

Scottish football could well be coming to an end of the next 7days.

Edited July 4, 2012 by Jamboelite

[Cut The Crap]

That Clyde statement. Wow.

 

Well done to Clyde FC for exposing this corruption.

 

When I'm looking for a football match to go to next season, Broadwood might be as good a place as any to visit.

[Guest Dipped Flake]

Seems like everyone is doing a Pontius Pilate

 

well he was Scottish so why not

[Jamboelite]

If only BDO would step in and reverse the transfer to Sevco now.

 

It would stop the SFL clubs having to sort out the whole mess.

 

Im told that this is very very unlikely to happen and this is coming from a solicitor who is actively involved in aspects of investigation surrounding Rangers

[Munch]

The undeniable fact is that Scottish football is in a mess and has been for a number of years.

 

 

I?m hardly the first person to state this but the last four months since one of Scottish football?s great clubs, Rangers went into administration have really opened to my eyes.

 

 

The liquidation that ultimately happened at Ibrox has shown attitudes amongst Scottish football fans to be very narrow-minded and in many cases devoid of any common sense.

 

 

 

The reasons for why the world?s most successful club went into administration then liquidation have been well documented.

 

 

Extreme mismanagement over a number of decades by Chairman Sir David Murray and Craig Whyte proved too hard to handle and they shamefully left the club with an unworkable amount of debt whilst also failing to pay significant amounts of taxes.

 

 

The sorry episode has also shown how badly the Scottish game is being run. The Scottish football association?s chief executive Stewart Regan has shown himself to be unaware of his own rules and failing to show leadership throughout this crisis engulfing one of the SFA?s key members.

 

 

Why on earth has it taken over four months to sort out which league Rangers are playing in next season?

 

 

That decision will still not be known until next week which is remarkable.

 

 

Rangers continue to be punished right, left and centre with fans of other clubs, not just Celtic seemingly happy for this to happen.

 

 

The ridiculous line of ?sporting integrity? has been banded about by fans till they are almost blue in face.

 

 

I have never denied that Rangers to need to be punished. Infact, I?m more than happy to see the club put down to the lowest tier in Scottish football, namely division three.

 

 

However, when you have clubs fans coming out and saying they would rather see their club go into administration rather than see Rangers football club back into the SPL then perhaps the baw really is burst as they say in Scotland.

 

 

Only last year I was reasonably hopeful of Scottish football moving forward but with a lack of leadership from those running the game and Rangers, one of the big two in Scotland lurching from crisis to crisis, I am now worried where Scotland as a footballing nation are going.

 

 

One can only hope that a solution to the Rangers crisis that ensures Scottish clubs are reasonably happy is found and fast.

 

 

Otherwise football and indeed Rangers in Scotland could fail to recover.

[Ally Bell]

That statement from Clyde is scary, as Rodney says in Only Fools and Horses

 

No, Unc, it's called pull the ladder up, Jack, and sod the rest!

Edited July 4, 2012 by Ally B

[May one-six]

Doncaster, Regan and all SPL chairmen are clearly dissembling, conniving, two-faced hypocrites without an ounce of integrity.

[SUTOL]

I would debate that,but it's a subject that's best left untouched at this moment.All ill say if UKIO have not made a profit from Hearts up till now, (not even counting what the assets are worth) i'd be amazed.

 

Ukio don't own Hearts, they providing banking services and some borrowing facilities.

 

They have every right to expect to make some profit from that.

 

 

 

End of drift.

[Hagar the Horrible]

Alison Robbie ?@AlisonRobbie

Charles Green & Malcolm Murray have now been called back into meeting

[Jam Tarts 1874]

Alison Robbie ?@AlisonRobbie

Charles Green & Malcolm Murray have now been called back into meeting

 

 

Ooooooh! Time for the nail!

[Carl Spackler]

I would debate that,but it's a subject that's best left untouched at this moment.All ill say if UKIO have not made a profit from Hearts up till now, (not even counting what the assets are worth) i'd be amazed.

 

Fair enough. Debate for another time.

[brunoatemyhamster]

- Because the arguments Dungcaster and regan are trying to make to support newco Rangers, would not apply to any other team facing the same situation.

Hearts would be offered divison 3 application. Also, any team beaing seen to have deliberately invoked liquidation would be er.. 'punished'.

 

Remember ' every application is to be made on its own merits' ie, no to any level playing field and no to any democracy.

 

Everyone seem's to think that Vlad is "Heart's daft!". If Vlad decides to pull the plug on us, IF he can't get it sold, Then it will be bulldozers,not liquidators we have to worry about.

 

Legally,would a precedence not have been set by Craig Whyte "deliberately" doing it at Rangers.Can't speak for Vlad,but he strike's me as a "see you in court" type of guy.

[angeleyes]

All Doncaster's predictions are predicated on losing ALL of the SPL's sponsorship if it's no to NewCo in SFL1, why haven't they been preparing for that eventuality? so much for management - just a joke

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

Clyde

 

Scottish football administration - vindicating Vladimir Romanov at every opportunity.