The Rangers soap opera goes on and on.

[Boris]

5 minutes ago, kirkierobroy said:

From the Bears' Den thread about the Cowdenbeath Authralopithecenes' march;

 

 

Sheesh.

 

And what is it with Cowdenbeath? My home town (in the west) doesn't have an Orange Lodge any more so I was especially raging in 2012 when my bus was stationary for 15 minutes to let a bowler hat march go past (apparently celebrating whatever jubilee it was for the Queen that year). Both bands were from Cowdenbeath, per the information on their Lambegs.

 

Didn't Cowdenbeath have a Communist cooncillor for a while? How did he get on with Ra Peepul?

 

A lot of Glaswegians moved to Fife over the years for work in the pits etc.  As a result of this Glaswegian diaspora, they also brought along their "culture".

 

I was held up by a bloody orange walk on Saturday morning in Kirkcaldy.  However, we live in a democracy and, regardless of how distasteful we may feel this organisation is, it is a legal one and should, imo, have the right to march. 

 

Zero tolerance for any disruption that the followers may produce.  Quick anecdote, a boy in Cowdenebath gets called a Tim by an attendee on Saturday for simply wearing a green t-shirt.  That's the level of debate we are talking about.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

1 hour ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

1. Again, I repeat, what PMGB writes has no bearing on the eventual outcome at Ibrox, yet you seem unable to let it go, you are constantly berating him and anybody on here who makes reference to him, often using the fact that what he has said in the past hasn't always come to fruition (as far as we know) as some vindication for your assertion that TRFC aren't on the brink of going bust (I'm not saying they are at this point in time). I don't care what PMGB says, what matters to me, though, is that he helps keep the disgusting story of cheating and cover-ups alive, he is an antidote to the Rangers-centric SMSM.

 

2. You certainly come across as a defender of Rangers (IL) and of their successor club, though your hatred of all things Celtic seems to be your major driving force, so maybe you are not intending to defend the Ibrox clubs but feel compelled to strike out at anything you see as having a Celtic bias. You seem unable to separate your view of Celtic from this whole saga, as though, to you, Celtic being bad must somehow be a balance to 'Rangers' being cheats. You are welcome to your view of what's happening to our game, but your constant belittling of fellow Jambos on this thread for mentioning PMGB, or any other Celtic facing entity, does you no favours. If you feel so strongly about what PMGB says, or just want somewhere to deride him and his followers, why don't you start a new thread where people of a like mind can join in? In the meantime you could still post here without referring to his perceived shortcomings as some sort of vindication for Rangers and TRFC.

 

3. The RIFC/TRFC interim accounts to 31 Dec 2017, in line to all previous sets of accounts, were a disaster, showing continued losses and a chronic requirement for additional loans. They also showed that the directors had ceased to provide those loans, including the loans promised by King in the 20 June 2017 final accounts, resulting in the heavily secured Close Brothers loan. The continued promise of a share issue has not been fulfilled and the new kit deal hasn't proved to be a money-spinner either. Right now the only money TRFC has is whatever Hummel put in upfront and the income from season ticket sales which should have been earmarked to repay Close Brothers (though the loan is for a year it was spun as if it would be repaid by now). The annual salary bill has increased and transfer fees agreed that will have eaten up most of the increase in income through STs and Hummel while they have been unable to offload any of their high paid passengers. They are still, supposedly, looking to increase their wage bill with high cost transfers. At best, they have thrown the dice and are praying on a six, although percentage wise, they probably don't have as good a chance of avoiding an insolvency event as one in six. Yes, there have been a large number of times that their demise has been predicted with well founded reasoning, yet somehow they've survived, but it only takes one time for a loan not to appear before the administrators are called in. 

 

As to SFM. Yes, it is run by a couple of Celtic supporters, and most of the contributors are Celtic supporters, but if you'd continued to follow it you'd have found that whenever a 'Celtic interest only' post is made it gets a lot of criticism, mostly from other Celtic supporters. And yes, it is focused mainly on issues surrounding Rangers and TRFC, but that's because the game's governors have not dealt with the cheating and other things surrounding those clubs and have instead actively joined them in the cover-ups and lies. By the way, talking of Celtic supporters, did you notice that the pressure put on Hampden by the Resolution12 guys has paid off with an inquiry into the granting of Rangers Euro license in 2011?* Or is that just another Celtic conspiracy?

 

*Rhetorical question, of course.

A defender of Rangers? Well, you think that if you wish. I'm not sure you can defend something that is dead.

 

Keep up that forensic scrutiny though. You might get what you want someday.

[doctor jambo]

2 hours ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Woosh for my post.

Look at the image again.

 

As they have a Casino sponsor, let's hope they're plying blackjack and hit one time too much for soft loans and go bust.

 

Without being all CJRG or whatever,

Sevco's debt load is not outrageous when compared to their assets and turnover

I don't see them going bust

BUT I'd rather they didn't as that leaves them stuck in mediocrity limbo

 

If Everton pay £25 million for Tierney, then we may be looking at 30-in-a-row for Celtic, never mind 10

[IveSeenTheLight]

4 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

 

Sevco's debt load is not outrageous when compared to their assets and turnover

 

 

Hmmmm, are you sure about that?

Seem to be making a significant loss year on year. How much is their assets worth and where are the deeds?

Ibrokes reportedly crumbling and requiring additional maintenance costs year on year.

Their costs seem to be increasing (Stevie G on a reported £45k a week), almost £2.5M a year.

There seems to be a huge casino type gamble on them getting to the Europa League stages.

That's a lot of risk when they will be seeded to play tougher opposition after the first two rounds.

Edited July 2, 2018 by IveSeenTheLight

[doctor jambo]

3 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Hmmmm, are you sure about that?

Seem to be making a significant loss year on year.

Their costs seem to be increasing (Stevie G on a reported £45k a week), almost £2.5M a year.

There seems to be a huge casino type gamble on them getting to the Europa League stages.

That's a lot of risk when they will be seeded to play tougher opposition after the first two rounds.

yep, pretty sure

 

not too long ago hearts , Aberdeen and hibs were running with debt loads of several multiples of their turnover

Sevco are not there, yet.

I agree they may be in trouble in future, but that time is not now

[Gizmo]

11 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

yep, pretty sure

 

not too long ago hearts , Aberdeen and hibs were running with debt loads of several multiples of their turnover

Sevco are not there, yet.

I agree they may be in trouble in future, but that time is not now

We were running with debt because we had access to ridiculous amounts of overdraft/banking facilities thanks to our owner having a bloody bank.

Sevco have a dodgy loan supported by the deeds to their training academy that they dress up as an "overdraft" facility in an attempt to portray themselves as a legitimate, honest, normal company - and not a concern being run by spivs who claim they deliberately operate at a loss as if it's part of some masterplan, whilst surviving on soft loans to get past December.

They are constantly fire-fighting thanks to the financial stupidity of King who seems to think all it will take for them to rise back to the top is somehow sneaking into the Champions League.

Not only are they always in trouble, this type of financial chicanery always catches up - they have exhausted the goodwill of at least three ex directors who gifted them soft loans leaving even less idiots to rinse to keep the lights on, King isn't going to sink a penny of his ill-gotten stash into them and the TOP and share offer issues still haven't been resolved.

So nothing like our situation and a mess all of their own doing this time. **** them. 

[AllyjamboDerbyshire]

1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

A defender of Rangers? Well, you think that if you wish. I'm not sure you can defend something that is dead.

 

Keep up that forensic scrutiny though. You might get what you want someday.

 

You can defend the reputation of something, or someone, who is dead, but if that is all you can find to comment on in my rather long post, I'll take it you are in agreement with everything else I said

 

PS I am glad you appear to take offence at the idea you are a 'defender of Rangers', and hope you also take offence at being seen as a defender of their successor club.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

5 minutes ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

 

You can defend the reputation of something, or someone, who is dead, but if that is all you can find to comment on in my rather long post, I'll take it you are in agreement with everything else I said

 

PS I am glad you appear to take offence at the idea you are a 'defender of Rangers', and hope you also take offence at being seen as a defender of their successor club.

The only time I've ever wanted them to win a game they couldn't bloody do it. You were probably glad though.

[Hagar the Horrible]

Their next set of accounts will make great reading,  if there is a set of accounts? as what auditors will risk their reputations on another set of blatant lies?  They are a going concern because any shortfall would be covered with soft loans, (gifts) to get through the year.  Yet they went and got an overdraft facility which proved thay are longer a dog with fleas, exept overdrafts are something you dip in and out of every month, to keep cash flow operating? Another lie as the Close Brothers call it a loan, again a conflict with the accounts statement.  early in the year, the TOP thing wont be resolved as these bullies dont understand you cant fight ra peepil, so we will go for a share flotation in June, which will raise enough funds to get them to the end of the season which will be supported by a good run in Europe, and the FFP rule can be ignored once again like it was in 2011, where you can spend money you dont have to compete in Europe ad get the funds retrospectively,  Thats OK because Rangurz are bigger than Milan and those rules wont apply to us?  A poster said they will only be able to compete with the sheep, hibs and us, except thay are only competative with the three of because of financial doping.

 

Recap

Last years accounts... Lie

warchest..... lie

TOP will get fed up and go way...lie

Share issue in June...lie

Overdraft...lie

Morelos £8m Chinese bid...lie

Hunners of shuge bids for Windass....lie

King has the money for warchest...lie

King has the money is SA for TOP ruling...lie

Money in Escrow account...delaying tactics...so lie

Loan expires in Feb....true

SFA will break rules and grant a UEFA licence...true

SPFL clubs will lie down and get their bellies rubbed...true

SMSM will tow the party line...true

[AllyjamboDerbyshire]

Just now, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

The only time I've ever wanted them to win a game they couldn't bloody do it. You were probably glad though.

I presume you mean their cup final loss to Hibs. Well, I was glad they lost, and gutted Hibs won. But the way I looked at it was that if TRFC survives long enough, they will eventually win something, so if they'd won the cup, I'd be over it by now. If Hibs hadn't won, on the other hand, they still wouldn't have won the cup, and probably never would, and I'd enjoy the thought and laughed until my last breath.

 

So, as that match was always going to be a case of me falling into a pile of sh*t and coming out not smelling of roses, a TRFC win would have meant I'd fallen into a smaller pile of Sh*t, but I still didn't come out smelling of roses.

[Jamboelite]

On ‎01‎/‎07‎/‎2018 at 11:04, Justin Z said:

 

It already happened, ya wank.

Good to see your time here has been well spent in learning relevant put downs

 

Edited July 2, 2018 by Jamboelite

[SUTOL]

2 hours ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Ibrokes reportedly crumbling and requiring additional maintenance costs year on year.

 

 

On that one point, they have (had) allowed/contracted for £750,000+  spending on the stadium improvements and grounds equipment. 

 

 

 

But, I wonder of the directors will be getting their loans (partially) repaid this month as it says in the accounts? 

[Elmore]

5 hours ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Woosh for my post.

Look at the image again.

 

As they have a Casino sponsor, let's hope they're plying blackjack and hit one time too much for soft loans and go bust.

 

I did get it.   I just thought with them very getting their players on higher purchase that a catalogue analogy suited them. 

[IveSeenTheLight]

13 minutes ago, SUTOL said:

 

 

On that one point, they have (had) allowed/contracted for £750,000+  spending on the stadium improvements and grounds equipment. 

 

 

 

But, I wonder of the directors will be getting their loans (partially) repaid this month as it says in the accounts? 

 

Is that enough to reverse the situation or just to paper over the cracks?

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 hour ago, Elmore said:

I did get it.   I just thought with them very getting their players on higher purchase that a catalogue analogy suited them. 

 

Good one, with Pena they tried to return the unwanted goods as well

 

Mostly midfielders though.

They seem overweighted in there, may cause some frictions.

Lets hope.

[Elmore]

Just now, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Good one, with Pena they tried to return the unwanted goods as well

 

Mostly midfielders though.

They seem overweighted in there, may cause some frictions.

Lets hope.

A couple of days ago I tried to send you a pm about something. Clear your mail box. 

[IveSeenTheLight]

4 minutes ago, Elmore said:

A couple of days ago I tried to send you a pm about something. Clear your mail box. 

 

Done

[Big Slim Stylee]

2 hours ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

I presume you mean their cup final loss to Hibs. Well, I was glad they lost, and gutted Hibs won. But the way I looked at it was that if TRFC survives long enough, they will eventually win something, so if they'd won the cup, I'd be over it by now. If Hibs hadn't won, on the other hand, they still wouldn't have won the cup, and probably never would, and I'd enjoy the thought and laughed until my last breath.

 

So, as that match was always going to be a case of me falling into a pile of sh*t and coming out not smelling of roses, a TRFC win would have meant I'd fallen into a smaller pile of Sh*t, but I still didn't come out smelling of roses.

 

I find my life long conviction of never ever wanting Hibs to win a game of football at any level has offered me a deep sense of calm and certainty. 

 

I urge you you to adopt this simple tenet, and avoid this self-inflicted inner turmoil of thought.

[Big Slim Stylee]

15 hours ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

Woosh for my post.

Look at the image again.

 

As they have a Casino sponsor, let's hope they're plying blackjack and hit one time too much for soft loans and go bust.

 

 

We al got it. It’s just not very funny.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

11 hours ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

I presume you mean their cup final loss to Hibs. Well, I was glad they lost, and gutted Hibs won. But the way I looked at it was that if TRFC survives long enough, they will eventually win something, so if they'd won the cup, I'd be over it by now. If Hibs hadn't won, on the other hand, they still wouldn't have won the cup, and probably never would, and I'd enjoy the thought and laughed until my last breath.

 

So, as that match was always going to be a case of me falling into a pile of sh*t and coming out not smelling of roses, a TRFC win would have meant I'd fallen into a smaller pile of Sh*t, but I still didn't come out smelling of roses.

Tragic. Your self-confessed hatred at how the dead club cheated (which they did) has been transferred onto the barsteward child.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

8 hours ago, Big Slim Stylee said:

 

I find my life long conviction of never ever wanting Hibs to win a game of football at any level has offered me a deep sense of calm and certainty. 

 

I urge you you to adopt this simple tenet, and avoid this self-inflicted inner turmoil of thought.

Gets it.

 

FTH.

[Big Slim Stylee]

16 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Gets it.

 

FTH.

 

....is the correct answer! ?

[AllyjamboDerbyshire]

7 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Tragic. Your self-confessed hatred at how the dead club cheated (which they did) has been transferred onto the barsteward child.

As has been the bigotry and mindset that led to the cheating of the original Ibrox club. Different club, same peepil, doing everything they can to be and act as the same club. Too many similarities to be sure they are not cheating now, and almost certainly will at some point with a tax cheating criminal at the top. They still have the same power the old club had within Scottish football and the media, and are using it to disadvantage every other club. You are welcome to choose not to hate them, but as far as I'm concerned they missed the chance to clean up their act at the birth of the barsteward child.

[Shanks said no]

Rangers new strips about to be released?

 

unsure if true but the photo I was shown included a traditional strip, a strip with a blue diagonal sash and a completely orange one with blue trim = the big seller 

https://mobile.twitter.com/RogerJamie/status/1014465648687243264/photo/1

Edited July 4, 2018 by The Frenchman Returns

[Mysterion]

35 minutes ago, The Frenchman Returns said:

Rangers new strips about to be released?

 

unsure if true but the photo I was shown included a traditional strip, a strip with a blue diagonal sash and a completely orange one with blue trim = the big seller 

https://mobile.twitter.com/RogerJamie/status/1014465648687243264/photo/1

 

Very pathetic giving into the knuckledragging element of the Rangers support by going with an orange coloured strip. It's not traditional Rangers colours and all a GIRUY to Celtic fannys. It's promoting bigotry whilst Rangers exploit fans for £££. 

[jacklivi1874]

On 7/2/2018 at 12:30, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

 

Read the deal was  worth £35 million and some wonder if Rangers have any cash ..

[Footballfirst]

24 minutes ago, jacklivi1874 said:

Read the deal was  worth £35 million and some wonder if Rangers have any cash ..

 

Can you post the source where you "read" it?

[Gavsy Van Gaverson]

30 minutes ago, jacklivi1874 said:

Read the deal was  worth £35 million and some wonder if Rangers have any cash ..

 

I read that it was £10m over 3 years. Which would be far more realistic.

[jacklivi1874]

3 minutes ago, Gavsy Van Gaverson said:

 

I read that it was £10m over 3 years. Which would be far more realistic.

I dont doubt that either just what I read, they will blow that no problem  and then back to basics 

[Rudolf]

8 minutes ago, Gavsy Van Gaverson said:

 

I read that it was £10m over 3 years. Which would be far more realistic.

Yes, up to £10M over 3 years so who knows how many they'd have to sell to reach the £10M figure.

[jacklivi1874]

12 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

 

Can you post the source where you "read" it?

It was on an other forum i use but there was no link

 

I've asked for one

 

If you want the site I'll PM you the link

[Mysterion]

Just now, jacklivi1874 said:

It was on an other forum i use but there was no link

 

I've asked for one

 

If you want the site I'll PM you the link

 

Zero chance of a deal that big escaping the front or back pages. Someone is spinning a yarn or is claiming something without thinking (you wouldn't put it past a Rangers fan convincing himself that he just needs to multiply value of the deal by 3 and then brag about this mega deal). 

[IveSeenTheLight]

1 hour ago, jacklivi1874 said:

Read the deal was  worth £35 million and some wonder if Rangers have any cash ..

 

What deal?

[Deevers]

10 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

What deal?

Exactly.

[AllyjamboDerbyshire]

1 hour ago, Mysterion said:

 

Zero chance of a deal that big escaping the front or back pages. Someone is spinning a yarn or is claiming something without thinking (you wouldn't put it past a Rangers fan convincing himself that he just needs to multiply value of the deal by 3 and then brag about this mega deal). 

 

I suppose if a club doesn't like too much positive PR it might prefer to keep the biggest deal, of any kind, it's ever had in it's whole history, secret. It's not as though TRFC like to use their rather cuddly relationship with the SMSM to their advantage to ramp up the bears' feel good factor!

[jacklivi1874]

44 minutes ago, IveSeenTheLight said:

 

What deal?

Rangers guy was at the ham I believed him, silly me 

[AllyjamboDerbyshire]

Looks like the TOP haven't gone away, and that contempt (of court?) proceedings have been served on King on the 8th of June.

 

http://www.thetakeoverpanel.org.uk/publication/view/20188-rangers-international-football-club-plc

[hawaii]

19. In South Africa foreign exchange transactions are subject to exchange control 
regulations which limit the amount of money residents may transfer out of the country 
without approval. Under these regulations, approval would be required for Laird to 
transfer to an account in a UK bank the funds required for completion of the offer and 
to convert those funds into sterling.

 

Has me wondering how King's warchest would ever be granted out of South Africa, but I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation....

[Don Dan]

38 minutes ago, AllyjamboDerbyshire said:

Looks like the TOP haven't gone away, and that contempt (of court?) proceedings have been served on King on the 8th of June.

 

http://www.thetakeoverpanel.org.uk/publication/view/20188-rangers-international-football-club-plc

 

Dodgy Dave the mendacious liar and out and out spive. Where this will all end up I have no idea but one thing for sure King is a crook and should be emptied from Scottish Football.

[Footballfirst]

I wonder if Dodgy Dave will be arrested, on contempt charges, if/when he next returns to the UK.

[Brick Tamland]

17 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I wonder if Dodgy Dave will be arrested, on contempt charges, if/when he next returns to the UK.

Someone will be on here telling you that’s Celtic minded chat and you should do your research etc etc. 

Lets hope dodgy Dave gets arrested and he throws Sevco into the waste bin. 

[graygo]

1 hour ago, jacklivi1874 said:

Rangers guy was at the ham I believed him, silly me 

 

Chinese whispers.

 

"great deal mate £10 million, 3 year deal"

"wow, 3 years at £10 million. That's £30 million"

[Big Slim Stylee]

23 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I wonder if Dodgy Dave will be arrested, on contempt charges, if/when he next returns to the UK.

 

Another blatant example of you being brainwashed into a bout of wishful thinking by your exteniaive Friends of Timothy contacts ?

[jambovambo]

Story coming up on latest in Dave King v Takeover Panel. Paragraphs 18-24 of this don’t make great reading for Dave King. thetakeoverpanel.org.uk/wp-content/upl…

 

@bbcallamont

[jambovambo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44718685

[Shanks said no]

Link to the Takeover Panel

 

http://www.thetakeoverpanel.org.uk/publication/view/20188-rangers-international-football-club-plc

[Heartsofgold]

3 minutes ago, jambovambo said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44718685

 

Oh he's futterly ucked.

[The Future's Maroon]

?

[RobNox]

King won't be happy that Jabba hasn't managed to keep the tin lid on this.  Expect a few squirrels to start appearing in the next few days.

[Mikey1874]

All this is delaying the raising of funds through a new share offer. 

 

For me the part of this which doesn't make sense and also suggests a real problem in making available the £11 million or so offer for existing shares.