Footballfirst Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) From the Kinloch decision [180] However, as submitted by Mr Sandison that is not what happened to Rangers. It was either unchallenged evidence or a matter of admission, that what happened to Rangers at the material time was this: the Rangers Football Club Plc sold inter alia the one share in the SPL to Sevco Scotland Limited. That sale required the approval of at least 8 of the members of the SPL. That application was refused. It was thus no longer eligible to play in the SPL. It thereafter applied to the SFL and was permitted to join the lowest league of the SFL (the five part agreement). The foregoing process cannot be described as being moved by anyone to a lower division, or being moved down or demoted. The dictionary definitions are not apt to cover what happened to Rangers. I am satisfied that what did not happen was that the SPL moved or demoted Rangers to a lower division. Rangers ended up in a lower division by the entry into a contract which allowed them to join the SFL in the third division. So in Lord Bannatyne's view Rangers wasn't relegated, moved or demoted. Edited March 15, 2017 by Footballfirst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 From the Kinloch decision [180] However, as submitted by Mr Sandison that is not what happened to Rangers. It was either unchallenged evidence or a matter of admission, that what happened to Rangers at the material time was this: the Rangers Football Club Plc sold inter alia the one share in the SPL to Sevco Scotland Limited. That sale required the approval of at least 8 of the members of the SPL. That application was refused. It was thus no longer eligible to play in the SPL. It thereafter applied to the SFL and was permitted to join the lowest league of the SFL (the five part agreement). The foregoing process cannot be described as being moved by anyone to a lower division, or being moved down or demoted. The dictionary definitions are not apt to cover what happened to Rangers. I am satisfied that what did not happen was that the SPL moved or demoted Rangers to a lower division. Rangers ended up in a lower division by the entry into a contract which allowed them to join the SFL in the third division. So in Lord Bannatyne's view Rangers wasn't relegated, moved or demoted. Only in Scotland. Rangers started one season in the Premier league. The next season there is no Rangers in the Premier league but a team with the same team shirt is playing in the 4th tier of Scottish football. But no one knows how they got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 From the Kinloch decision [180] However, as submitted by Mr Sandison that is not what happened to Rangers. It was either unchallenged evidence or a matter of admission, that what happened to Rangers at the material time was this: the Rangers Football Club Plc sold inter alia the one share in the SPL to Sevco Scotland Limited. That sale required the approval of at least 8 of the members of the SPL. That application was refused. It was thus no longer eligible to play in the SPL. It thereafter applied to the SFL and was permitted to join the lowest league of the SFL (the five part agreement). The foregoing process cannot be described as being moved by anyone to a lower division, or being moved down or demoted. The dictionary definitions are not apt to cover what happened to Rangers. I am satisfied that what did not happen was that the SPL moved or demoted Rangers to a lower division. Rangers ended up in a lower division by the entry into a contract which allowed them to join the SFL in the third division. So in Lord Bannatyne's view Rangers wasn't relegated, moved or demoted. Ooaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 From the Kinloch decision [180] However, as submitted by Mr Sandison that is not what happened to Rangers. It was either unchallenged evidence or a matter of admission, that what happened to Rangers at the material time was this: the Rangers Football Club Plc sold inter alia the one share in the SPL to Sevco Scotland Limited. That sale required the approval of at least 8 of the members of the SPL. That application was refused. It was thus no longer eligible to play in the SPL. It thereafter applied to the SFL and was permitted to join the lowest league of the SFL (the five part agreement). The foregoing process cannot be described as being moved by anyone to a lower division, or being moved down or demoted. The dictionary definitions are not apt to cover what happened to Rangers. I am satisfied that what did not happen was that the SPL moved or demoted Rangers to a lower division. Rangers ended up in a lower division by the entry into a contract which allowed them to join the SFL in the third division. So in Lord Bannatyne's view Rangers wasn't relegated, moved or demoted. That Statement is a thing of beauty. Jabba will be flapping big time just now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 If that's the case they are a brand new team who bought their way back inti the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallschunkychicken Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Just reading through the decision now. I think section 180 deals with the 'relegation' issue quite well. Essentially they became 'ineligible' to play in the SPL and therefore joined the lower division by the entry into a contract allowing this. Skirts around it, but basically says they died. Edit: just seen that this has been covered above. Edited March 15, 2017 by marshallschunkychicken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 If they were refused membership to the SPL at the time of them dying or not being very well, should they have seeked re-election to be playing back in the SPL this season. irrespective of winning the championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Where is Phill Hunnernames take on this , as he is the only detailed researcher and fountain of all knowledge, as he knows Daves' middle name and sticks Mr in front of it and called the media a big clever name like stenographers or summit? and by putting tripple spaces between each sentence it impacts on the gravity of his preceptiveness, and clearly his sources will be one of the panel of 5 lords and lady's so he will lead us to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 So in the avoidance of doubt, they ARE a new club, and they let their club die!!! So says Kinlock in law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 If they were refused membership to the SPL at the time of them dying or not being very well, should they have seeked re-election to be playing back in the SPL this season. irrespective of winning the championship? SPL doesn't exist anymore. It's one body, the SPFL, for all the leagues now, and they were allowed to join/rejoin/whatever the SPFL in the lowest tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 SPL doesn't exist anymore. It's one body, the SPFL, for all the leagues now, and they were allowed to join/rejoin/whatever the SPFL in the lowest tier. Roger that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgeJambo Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 and Roger that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The guy who lost should set up a crowd funding site. I would be happy to contribute towards the money he has lost due to his services to Scottish Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) The guy who lost should set up a crowd funding site. I would be happy to contribute towards the money he has lost due to his services to Scottish Football. Agreed in losing ?x amount of money due to a wording error, we have now clarified Ra Peepil let their club die, He took one for the the Real People, a modern day hero in the true sense Edited March 15, 2017 by Hagar the Horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Agreed in losing ?x amount of money due to a wording error, we have now clarified Ra Peepil let their club die, He took one for the the Real People, a modern day hero in the true senseThis guy is Scotland's player of the year for services to Scottish football and for getting somebody to tell the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 You're no rangers any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Wonder if the plastic bears will have the judge in their sights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallschunkychicken Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The Rangers fans are chalking this up as a win as it apparently proves they didn't die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The Rangers fans are chalking this up as a win as it apparently proves they didn't die.Zombies always think they never died cos they can still stagger about picking up soft loans and telling everyone that they ara peepul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I must be a bit slow today to get the reference of that picture? But, wow...I don't care what the reference is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) I must be a bit slow today to get the reference of that picture? But, wow...I don't care what the reference is! Carly Baker (on behalf of Coral) giving Sevco and the gimpy gambler, the bums rush. Edited March 15, 2017 by ...a bit disco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 So they did die then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 So they did die then?Dead as a dodo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryJ-o-s Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 The Rangers fans are chalking this up as a win as it apparently proves they didn't die. Directly goes against Dave King's version of events: "Ally was a unifying figure for the Club when we were demoted to the lower leagues." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 So they did die then? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Decent effort by the punter Worth a go Plaudits for trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Directly goes against Dave King's version of events: "Ally was a unifying figure for the Club when we were demoted to the lower leagues." Such a fit and proper person surely couldn't countenance telling an untruth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The EBT case at the Supreme Court should be streamed live from 10:00 today. https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html Any update on proceedings? Or is it just a case of waiting for the decision, which I assume will come later in a written report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Any update on proceedings? Or is it just a case of waiting for the decision, which I assume will come later in a written report. It will probably be three months or so before we get a decision. Most of the proceedings are pretty dry legal arguments about the interpretation of legal precedents re trusts, earnings and benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunks Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Thanks FF. I did watch some of the online footage - "pretty dry" is being kind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) One interesting snippet from yesterdays proceedings by John James... 12.05 p.m. Mr Dunlop, who is a member of Mr Thornhill?s team, then makes reference to an EBT received by Tommy McLean whose name was never disclosed by Mark Daly of the BBC. McLean joins Souness as a beneficiary long after they have left Rangers employment. In Souness? case it was a bung for buying from Rangers. Was the same true of McLean in 1996-1998? Did he receive an EBT bung to facilitate a transfer, or will he disingenuously claim, as Souness did, that he was engaged in sourcing players after the fact. https://johnjamessite.com/2017/03/16/squeaky-bum-time-v-a-love-supreme/ Edited March 16, 2017 by ...a bit disco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) . Edited March 16, 2017 by ...a bit disco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) One interesting snippet from yesterdays proceedings by John James... 12.05 p.m. Mr Dunlop, who is a member of Mr Thornhill?s team, then makes reference to an EBT received by Tommy McLean whose name was never disclosed by Mark Daly of the BBC. McLean joins Souness as a beneficiary long after they have left Rangers employment. In Souness? case it was a bung for buying from Rangers. Was the same true of McLean in 1996-1998? Did he receive an EBT bung to facilitate a transfer, or will he disingenuously claim, as Souness did, that he was engaged in sourcing players after the fact. https://johnjamessite.com/2017/03/16/squeaky-bum-time-v-a-love-supreme/ I think JJ has it wrong again McLean was a youth coach at Rangers during some of the EBT years. In tax years 2004/5 and 2005/6 he received ?20K and ?40K respectively in EBTs Edited March 16, 2017 by Footballfirst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Warbrton on sky sports news. He is going for it ???? v Sevco Beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Doesn't matter if your loaded or not if your owed you have a right to get your cash,I just wish someone would put this new crooked institution to death along with the old crooked institution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Warbrton on sky sports news. He is going for it ???? v Sevco Beautiful What has he said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 What has he said?He's said even he has a new job him and his bakroom staff will press on with their claim for ?1,000,000 against sevco who have no evidence they resigned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 He's said even he has a new job him and his bakroom staff will press on with their claim for ?1,000,000 against sevco who have no evidence they resigned Nobody even teases The Rangers over this farce. Other clubs would be slaughtered in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 He's said even he has a new job him and his bakroom staff will press on with their claim for ?1,000,000 against sevco who have no evidence they resigned 'Mon the breadman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 He just said that legal proceedings are underway and that some details of his departure from Rangers may come out then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 He just said that legal proceedings are underway and that some details of his departure from Rangers may come out then. Level 5 going into overdrive with the assistance of their patsys in the Scottish media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 What has he said? He is going for it and can't say nowt. It's brilliant. The look on his face was one of determination and seethe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboz Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 He is going for it and can't say nowt. It's brilliant. The look on his face was one of determination and seethe Quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Nobody even teases The Rangers over this farce. Other clubs would be slaughtered in the media. Exactly. The media were down on us like a ton of bricks when it was decided not to renew the contract for Gary Locke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hueyview Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Warbrton on sky sports news. He is going for it ???? v Sevco Beautiful Hope Rangers can raise the dough, as Warburton kneads the bread...........Muffins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Rangers have certainly justified all the threads and other commentary. 5 years on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboz Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Rangers have certainly justified all the threads and other commentary. 5 years on. They have justified far more threads and far more commentary!! It has just not been happening from a compliant, sycophantic media and governing organisation. It is sickening the hypocrisy and double standards that have been shown when dealing with this vile carbuncle on society and embarrassing stain and continuing unresolved saga on Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 They have justified far more threads and far more commentary!! It has just not been happening from a compliant, sycophantic media and governing organisation. It is sickening the hypocrisy and double standards that have been shown when dealing with this vile carbuncle on society and embarrassing stain and continuing unresolved saga on Scottish football. Yeah Its maybe the Scottish way? Not the only institution escaping close scrutiny But Rangers seem to have a very unhealthy hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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