jambovambo Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Fair dod of vitriol from John James (but he's prob not wrong): https://johnjamessite.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Bet it was either Hugh Dallas or Stuart Dougal I'd be surprised if it was Stuart Dougal, I knew him from his time working in Fife as an Auditor, he reffed us mid-week v Rangers at Ibrox and gave them nothing, I met him a few days later and he told me "I done my best for you", sure they beat us 1-0 late late on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashimoto Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Quote from John James blog "Budge and Dempster are so seduced by the blue pound that they are unlikely to raise more than a plucked eyebrow at the Supreme Court decision."......It's staggering that fans up and down the country continue to demand action over Rangers cheating and yet with the exception of Celtic our clubs remain silent over this matter......It's now time we started to hear a club viewpoint otherwise we stand accused of being compliant in this sorry matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Wooft - you're a hard task master ... Love a bit of hard justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Quote from John James blog "Budge and Dempster are so seduced by the blue pound that they are unlikely to raise more than a plucked eyebrow at the Supreme Court decision."......It's staggering that fans up and down the country continue to demand action over Rangers cheating and yet with the exception of Celtic our clubs remain silent over this matter......It's now time we started to hear a club viewpoint otherwise we stand accused of being compliant in this sorry matter. Its quite simply not true, at least not with us, we could sell their allocations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 he has a cheek if you ask me. If anybody outwith Celtic where to stand up they would soon be silenced by the SFA in more ways than one. Budge and Dempster like the rest of the SPL know that the SFA is run for the benefit of two clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 he has a cheek if you ask me. If anybody outwith Celtic where to stand up they would soon be silenced by the SFA in more ways than one. Budge and Dempster like the rest of the SPL know that the SFA is run for the benefit of two clubs. Totally, just look at the way the SFA treated Romanov to understand why nobody wants to stick their head over the parapet. However in saying that, it's a sad indictment of the Scottish game when everybody is afraid to stand up against the SFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Quote from John James blog "Budge and Dempster are so seduced by the blue pound that they are unlikely to raise more than a plucked eyebrow at the Supreme Court decision."......It's staggering that fans up and down the country continue to demand action over Rangers cheating and yet with the exception of Celtic our clubs remain silent over this matter......It's now time we started to hear a club viewpoint otherwise we stand accused of being compliant in this sorry matter. ?What an absolute load of bollocks. We are endeavouring to reduce the bigot brothers allocation. As an aside those individuals who have dared criticise Sevco in the past have suffered harassment by a significant knuckle dragging element in their support. If I recall did Celtic not abstain in the vote for Newco to enter the league in the bottom tier. A bunch of hypocrites who only speak up when it suits their own agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punks No Deid Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 he has a cheek if you ask me. If anybody outwith Celtic where to stand up they would soon be silenced by the SFA in more ways than one. Budge and Dempster like the rest of the SPL know that the SFA is run for the benefit of two clubs. exactly, Scottish football authorities ensure that it all revolves around the two cheeks fae the same erse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Quote from John James blog "Budge and Dempster are so seduced by the blue pound that they are unlikely to raise more than a plucked eyebrow at the Supreme Court decision."......It's staggering that fans up and down the country continue to demand action over Rangers cheating and yet with the exception of Celtic our clubs remain silent over this matter......It's now time we started to hear a club viewpoint otherwise we stand accused of being compliant in this sorry matter. Inaccurate. Also, if he's trying to take a moral stance, should probably ease up on the sexism a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Forgive me for ignoring a bitter twat who claimed to be a Rangers fan when he first started blogging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwayssunnyingorgie Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I'd be surprised if it was Stuart Dougal, I knew him from his time working in Fife as an Auditor, he reffed us mid-week v Rangers at Ibrox and gave them nothing, I met him a few days later and he told me "I done my best for you", sure they beat us 1-0 late late on. So he is crooked, I want refs to be neutral not take sides even if it is ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whyskey Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 john james is correct our owner and every other owner should be ashamed and are letting there fans down by staying silent. Hearts should make a statement to there fans informing us of there position re guarding stripping of titles, is Scottish football to be a laughing stock of world sport or will our owners and authorities grow a pair and do the right thing, I know before you say it mrs budge does not have a pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 And ... I hope even 5% of what Phil says is true ... https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/07/14/whatsapp-pedro/ I take it the Senior Professional is Lee Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobar PHM Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 And ... I hope even 5% of what Phil says is true ... https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/07/14/whatsapp-pedro/ I take it the Senior Professional is Lee Wallace. Kenny Miller is the only other possible I'd say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 And ... I hope even 5% of what Phil says is true ... https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/07/14/whatsapp-pedro/ I take it the Senior Professional is Lee Wallace. What does it say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Factor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Quote from John James blog "Budge and Dempster are so seduced by the blue pound that they are unlikely to raise more than a plucked eyebrow at the Supreme Court decision."......It's staggering that fans up and down the country continue to demand action over Rangers cheating and yet with the exception of Celtic our clubs remain silent over this matter......It's now time we started to hear a club viewpoint otherwise we stand accused of being compliant in this sorry matter. ?What an absolute load of bollocks. We are endeavouring to reduce the bigot brothers allocation. As an aside those individuals who have dared criticise Sevco in the past have suffered harassment by a significant knuckle dragging element in their support. If I recall did Celtic not abstain in the vote for Newco to enter the league in the bottom tier. A bunch of hypocrites who only speak up when it suits their own agenda. The vote for Newco to enter the bottom tier was only for lower league clubs. In the vote on whether to let Newco into the top league, only Killie abstained. Celtic did however wait until after it was clear their vote wouldn't matter(I.e. after the majority had already voted against) to announce they'd voted against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 The vote for Newco to enter the bottom tier was only for lower league clubs. In the vote on whether to let Newco into the top league, only Killie abstained. Celtic did however wait until after it was clear their vote wouldn't matter(I.e. after the majority had already voted against) to announce they'd voted against. Because at Boardroom level they didnt want the new rangers not in the Premier League. Two cheeks of the same arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 john james is correct No, John james is a celtic *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 And ... I hope even 5% of what Phil says is true ... https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/07/14/whatsapp-pedro/ I take it the Senior Professional is Lee Wallace. The Senior Professional is Stewart Robertson, MD of the football club. It is he who has to relay messages to the senior player, who I would guess is more likely Miller than Wallace, as he is described as 'the veteran player' at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 john james is correct our owner and every other owner should be ashamed and are letting there fans down by staying silent. Hearts should make a statement to there fans informing us of there position re guarding stripping of titles, is Scottish football to be a laughing stock of world sport or will our owners and authorities grow a pair and do the right thing, I know before you say it mrs budge does not have a pair. I suspect you are John James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 The Senior Professional is Stewart Robertson, MD of the football club. It is he who has to relay messages to the senior player, who I would guess is more likely Miller than Wallace, as he is described as 'the veteran player' at one point.Ah ok. Why he took that role up, I don't know but I guess ..????s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonfoda Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 are they deid yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Ah ok. Why he took that role up, I don't know but I guess ..????s Probably that, and was probably also misled about the financial reality at Rangers, and believed they could actually challenge for the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Topping says no title stripping. Scotsman today. Don't have a link. Arrogant defensive words, basically saying the issue will never go away but they're not doing anything. Sounds like Traynor-speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/spfl-s-ralph-topping-stands-firm-amid-title-stripping-calls-1-4504809 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 are they deid - again - yet? FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/spfl-s-ralph-topping-stands-firm-amid-title-stripping-calls-1-4504809Shifting blame on to the lawyers. I fear they are in a strong legal position if fans groups challenge them as their rules are vague enough to maintain that there is no mechanism for title stripping. What would be really interesting would be to see who they think would sue if they DID strip the titles. NewCo didn't win them, wouldn't lose any money if they were stripped and would risk both Phoenix Club allegations or a legal ruling that they are a different team. They also couldn't afford to sue. Doubt we will find out though, as the SPFL have made it clear that this is about what they can get away with, not what is right. Edited July 15, 2017 by CMc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) Topping says no title stripping. Scotsman today. Don't have a link. Arrogant defensive words, basically saying the issue will never go away but they're not doing anything. Sounds like Traynor-speak. I wonder if Ann Budge will back the SPFL decision (as a director of said organisation), or tell us what the Hearts Board thinks. Edited July 15, 2017 by Footballfirst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Club1872 seeking to influence media reporting of the club once again. http://club1872.co.uk/news/club-1872-statement-on-daily-record-coverage/ Club 1872 is disappointed to note that the Daily Record chose not to cover our statement last week regarding the Big Tax Case (BTC) verdict. This was despite running calls for title stripping from Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Celtic fans? groups both prior to and following our statement. Unfortunately this is not the first time the Daily Record has failed to treat Rangers and its supporters in an equivalent manner to how it has treated others. Last year Club 1872 polled members on action following a completely fabricated story by Record journalist, Jane Hamilton about Rangers fans causing disruption at the Cup Final. This prompted an apology and IPSO judgement against the paper. Rangers and Club 1872 have met with Daily Record Editor, Murray Foote on several occasions and attempted to resolve the ongoing issues with a number of Daily Record staff who appear unable to put their own feelings for our club to one side. Despite these efforts ? and reassurances that more balance would be achieved ? the situation has worsened. The Daily Record has a number of fair and competent journalists but the senior management of the paper seem to be completely unable or unwilling to control a handful of their staff, who go out of their way to produce skewed and at times completely false coverage of our club. There are currently three people paid by the Daily Record ? one in a senior editorial role ? who have made overtly sectarian comments about Rangers fans. This has been condoned and they continue to be in a position to influence the output of the newspaper on matters regarding our club. Club 1872, and in our opinion Rangers, have now done all we can in terms of raising these issues and seeking a resolution with Murray Foote. We do not believe there is any genuine wish from his side to remedy the situation. Unlike BBC Scotland, which has a duty to be impartial, the Daily Record is entirely free to push a one sided agenda if it so wishes. There is no duty to be impartial or even handed. There is a duty to be accurate however, and Club 1872 is currently in the process of examining several recent articles to see if there have been further breaches of IPSO guidelines. Club 1872 understands that the press has a role to play in holding Rangers, its directors and supporters to account. They did so with regard to the previous regime at the club but there is a difference between holding to account and pursuing a baseless agenda to attack and diminish. Particularly when that agenda slavishly follows the promptings of those whose commitment to sporting integrity extends no further than using the words to attack those they dislike. Just as we believe the Daily Record has made its choice ? so too can Rangers supporters. We can choose not to buy the Daily Record. We can choose not to click links to Daily Record stories online. We can choose not to share those links and stories on our social media networks and forums. In summary, we can treat the newspaper and the management who are running it into the ground with exactly the same level of contempt they show to Rangers and Rangers supporters on a weekly basis. If Rangers supporters continue to choose to spend their cash or read news online via the Daily Record website then it is unlikely anything will change. If we do not, then perhaps those running it will finally realise that we will no longer accept anything other than fair and balanced coverage of our club. It?s time to change the Record. Issued by Supporters Voice Limited, a Club 1872 company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Club1872 seeking to influence media reporting of the club once again. http://club1872.co.uk/news/club-1872-statement-on-daily-record-coverage/ Bullies will be bullies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I wonder if Ann Budge will back the SPFL decision (as a director of said organisation), or tell us what the Hearts Board thinks. Agree the Hearts board needs to talk to the support on this subject . I also would like to hear the view of our elected FOH board ,it's our largest fans group ,it should take a position from the views put to them I expect countless from the members . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/spfl-s-ralph-topping-stands-firm-amid-title-stripping-calls-1-4504809That article makes no sense to me. Who is actually running Scottish football? If you commission the Lord Nimmo Smith enquiry and the facts change materially as they have then you have to commission a new enquiry based on the new facts to check if they would reach the same conclusion it's not rocket science. Edited July 15, 2017 by Diadora Van Basten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 So rather than take on board the views and concerns of their members, according to Topping, they are looking to 'withstand attempts' from them. Arrogance unbound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 So rather than take on board the views and concerns of their members, according to Topping, they are looking to 'withstand attempts' from them. Arrogance unbound. They have been pocketing the blue pound for years ?%cling crooks the lot of them,pigs with their noses in the trough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...a bit disco Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 john james? @sitonfence 3m3 minutes ago More Would it surprise anyone that Topping is referring to Rod McKenzie as the finest legal mind in football governance? Prepare for a ragdolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 So rather than take on board the views and concerns of their members, according to Topping, they are looking to 'withstand attempts' from them. Arrogance unbound. Circling the wagons to protect their beloved Rangers. Good example of anything that is wrong with Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wilson Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) Seems to me the calls for title stripping are premature. What is needed is a root and branch independent review of football governance. That might find out why, for example Spartans are dismissed from the Cup for fielding an ineligible player ( he hadn't signed one page of his contract) while another club could for 10 years withhold full contractual information from governing bodies and that isn't a breach. That review could recommend a tightening of rule implementation, or not, and title stripping, or not. I can't see anything other than a ruling to strip titles given above scenario, but needs review first. ( as indeed Celtic ask for, as should Hearts) And lets stop all the nonsense about Hearts losing ?? because of Rangers alleged cheating- even with out EBTs their budget would have been hugely above Hearts... Edited July 15, 2017 by Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 After the EBT ruling, * something * has to be done. It's just a question of what. And we, the fans of other clubs, will have to make sure of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 That article makes no sense to me. Who is actually running Scottish football? If you commission the Lord Nimmo Smith enquiry and the facts change materially as they have then you have to commission a new enquiry based on the new facts to check if they would reach the same conclusion it's not rocket science. Celtic and the new rangers run scottish football theres youre answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Seems to me the calls for title stripping are premature. What is needed is a root and branch independent review of football governance. That might find out why, for example Spartans are dismissed from the Cup for fielding an ineligible player ( he hadn't signed one page of his contract) while another club could for 10 years withhold full contractual information from governing bodies and that isn't a breach. That review could recommend a tightening of rule implementation, or not, and title stripping, or not. I can't see anything other than a ruling to strip titles given above scenario, but needs review first. ( as indeed Celtic ask for, as should Hearts) And lets stop all the nonsense about Hearts losing ?? because of Rangers alleged cheating- even with out EBTs their budget would have been hugely above Hearts... what was the difference in budgets in 98 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1961 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 john james is correct our owner and every other owner should be ashamed and are letting there fans down by staying silent. Hearts should make a statement to there fans informing us of there position re guarding stripping of titles, is Scottish football to be a laughing stock of world sport or will our owners and authorities grow a pair and do the right thing, I know before you say it mrs budge does not have a pair. The post is a cracker way OTT and stinks of a Govan wummins front bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Shifting blame on to the lawyers. I fear they are in a strong legal position if fans groups challenge them as their rules are vague enough to maintain that there is no mechanism for title stripping. What would be really interesting would be to see who they think would sue if they DID strip the titles. NewCo didn't win them, wouldn't lose any money if they were stripped and would risk both Phoenix Club allegations or a legal ruling that they are a different team. They also couldn't afford to sue. Doubt we will find out though, as the SPFL have made it clear that this is about what they can get away with, not what is right. They would be as well saying we will proect Rangers (and their green chums too) at all costs so the diddy clubs should just suck it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) Seems to me the calls for title stripping are premature. What is needed is a root and branch independent review of football governance. That might find out why, for example Spartans are dismissed from the Cup for fielding an ineligible player ( he hadn't signed one page of his contract) while another club could for 10 years withhold full contractual information from governing bodies and that isn't a breach. That review could recommend a tightening of rule implementation, or not, and title stripping, or not. I can't see anything other than a ruling to strip titles given above scenario, but needs review first. ( as indeed Celtic ask for, as should Hearts) And lets stop all the nonsense about Hearts losing ?? because of Rangers alleged cheating- even with out EBTs their budget would have been hugely above Hearts... Nah. Strip the cheats first and foremost. Lets review why the authorities let them cheat, after we take their ill gotten gains from them. Edited July 15, 2017 by Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 what was the difference in budgets in 98 ? I understand the question-but we can prove whether rules were breached, but can't prove financial loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Nah. Strip the cheats first and foremost. Lets review why the authorities let them cheat, after we take their ill gotten gains from them. Never make it stick without due process. Then strip the titles when corruption is exposed. We should then get Vlad's fines all paid back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaths17 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I understand the question-but we can prove whether rules were breached, but can't prove financial loss. we could beat them now and again but over the long haul of a season their depth in squad and quality it was impossible. your only speculating as to what financial loss there was but its fair to say that a level playing field would have made some sort of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 You can quantify losses as, at a minimum, what you would have earned in first round you might have taken part in, in whatever tournament you were deprived of. By the way, I see lawyers from Arbroath are fighting back on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambovambo Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) Elsewhere on twitter : Seriously, if you want to know how screwed up the "victim" mindset is at Ibrokes then just read this. Defies belief. http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/topic/309017-andy-halliday-refuses-to-huddle-with-gabala-team-mates/ Edited July 15, 2017 by jambovambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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