Dalstonjambo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) To be honest I cannot speculate I don't have access to the mans mind or thoughts... but he is not out to lose money it goes against his known habits. What I will say is this forget any notion of fairness or equity in the world of Scottish football at any level! What happens will happen and we will just have to swallow it down as we always have done!!!Mike Ashley is allegedly well known to lose more than he has loaned rangers this season in one night in a casino. He's a big gambler. Edited December 19, 2014 by Dalstonjambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 This guy gets it. Mid-level interloper. Good enough to get past the first few dozen posts without being rumbled, but the mask begins to slip due to arrogance/ignorance thereafter. Yet another slaver! Why must someone be an interloper because the have the temerity to question why ? "If any of us had access to his mind or thoughts there would be no need for any of us to speculate what his next move is, because we would know what's on his mind. But because none of us know what's on his mind, then that is why we speculate. Just saying." I could not agree more ... that is my point!!!!! I am taking flak here because I have posed the question as to why the majority of the speculation is that all this man is going to do is take money out of Rangers and for some reason even though he may make money in the course of doing so the team that plays in some way will be the worse for his effort to make money... why should this be ? And of course because I ask questions that run contrary to the ITK speculators "I am an interloping Rangers fan" the same as I and others were "shitebags" because we did not think it appropriate to declare our team champions with still half the season to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) what's the skinny? Ahh, just re-hashing the current nonsense for the dinnae-gie-a-fudge english viewers mainly. Almost greetin' as he reels off the recent Rangers losses at the club; resignations (JG, WS and something about Alex, and the death of SJ (RIP). No gonna comment on a current manager's (and friend's) tenure. Blah, blah, etc. Choked. Edited December 19, 2014 by ArcticJambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 "one thing is certain and that is that the number one ambition as far Ashley is concerned is to make money out of them one way or the other." Absolutely Vlad thought the same when he took over Hearts! The thing is that on this forum the making of money is also very often linked to Rangers being a failure on the field and having poor playing staff... what is the thinking here? My take on many of the posts on this thread is that for MA to make money out of the business there must be a less than successful team on the field and they will struggle in this dept... why should this be? If there is one thing that I can see and there is no doubt that MA can see is that Rangers are a very baldy run football club both on and off the field. It goes with out saying that if they had been better managed, both fiscally and in a footballing sense the would be in a much better place right now, maybe he sees this and has some plan to rectify the situation and make the business a success? The difference is Vlad and David Murray wanted to use other peoples money to earn money ie the banks , without the banks money rangers would never have achieved the success that they did , Mike Ashley likes to turnaround failing business's but he doesnt do that by throwing money at them, and this is where his plan will fail because THE PEOPLE mentality doesnt do living within your means , the last time THE PEOPLE were living within their means crowds of under twenty thousand was the norm ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ahh, just re-hashing the current nonsense for the dinnae-gie-a-fudge english viewers mainly. Almost greetin' as he reels off the recent Rangers losses at the club; resignations (JG, WS and something about Alex, and the death of SJ (RIP). No gonna comment on a current manager's (and friend's) tenure. Blah, blah, etc. Choked. Desperate stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allo allo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 "one thing is certain and that is that the number one ambition as far Ashley is concerned is to make money out of them one way or the other." Absolutely Vlad thought the same when he took over Hearts! The thing is that on this forum the making of money is also very often linked to Rangers being a failure on the field and having poor playing staff... what is the thinking here? My take on many of the posts on this thread is that for MA to make money out of the business there must be a less than successful team on the field and they will struggle in this dept... why should this be? If there is one thing that I can see and there is no doubt that MA can see is that Rangers are a very baldy run football club both on and off the field. It goes with out saying that if they had been better managed, both fiscally and in a footballing sense the would be in a much better place right now, maybe he sees this and has some plan to rectify the situation and make the business a success? Hair Hair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Palmer Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Stuart McCall hurting on SSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Sorry, read what again? I posted this in reply to someone saying they were not allowed to play in the same tournament in Europe, this report clearly states that both Rangers & Newcastle can't play in Europe at the same time. So I'm not sure what your meaning. Apologies buddy, I thought the way you had answered you thought only one of them would not be allowed to play in Europe....where the statement you had quoted said that both wouldnt be allowed. Just an error on my part ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashimoto Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 When MA becomes de facto owner of sevco....does it stop being a loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The difference is Vlad and David Murray wanted to use other peoples money to earn money ie the banks , without the banks money rangers would never have achieved the success that they did , Mike Ashley likes to turnaround failing business's but he doesnt do that by throwing money at them, and this is where his plan will fail because THE PEOPLE mentality doesnt do living within your means , the last time THE PEOPLE were living within their means crowds of under twenty thousand was the norm ! That is very true... but the same was true for all teams in Scottish football at that time nearly all clubs were getting pitiful crowds and many still are an you really say that these clubs are living within their means? However if you really think about it have any team in Scottish football ever lived within their means? That means having no debts ! I remember when we were within hours of being toast when Wallace Mercer stepped in were we not guilty of spending excesses even then?? Maybe MA wants to get them living within their means? Does this really mean that they will not be competitive in Scottish football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 When MA becomes de facto owner of sevco....does it stop being a loan?Not in accounting terms. In practical terms, it is his way of calling the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musemic Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 "one thing is certain and that is that the number one ambition as far Ashley is concerned is to make money out of them one way or the other." Absolutely Vlad thought the same when he took over Hearts! The thing is that on this forum the making of money is also very often linked to Rangers being a failure on the field and having poor playing staff... what is the thinking here? My take on many of the posts on this thread is that for MA to make money out of the business there must be a less than successful team on the field and they will struggle in this dept... why should this be? If there is one thing that I can see and there is no doubt that MA can see is that Rangers are a very baldy run football club both on and off the field. It goes with out saying that if they had been better managed, both fiscally and in a footballing sense the would be in a much better place right now, maybe he sees this and has some plan to rectify the situation and make the business a success? Will agree that McDowell has a shiny top but Ally and Ian are only thinning...go easy on them! Mind you, it seems that clubs with head coaches who have flowing manes of hair ARE infinitely better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 That is very true... but the same was true for all teams in Scottish football at that time nearly all clubs were getting pitiful crowds and many still are an you really say that these clubs are living within their means? However if you really think about it have any team in Scottish football ever lived within their means? That means having no debts ! I remember when we were within hours of being toast when Wallace Mercer stepped in were we not guilty of spending excesses even then?? Maybe MA wants to get them living within their means? Does this really mean that they will not be competitive in Scottish football?Whether the rangers are competitive in scottish football is irrelevant. The fans demand they are better than celtic and get into the champions league. This isnt happening anytime soon, therefore there is no money to be made by owning the rangers fc. You can make money by owning everything they need to run as a club and renting it all back to them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bilel Mohsni Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 That is very true... but the same was true for all teams in Scottish football at that time nearly all clubs were getting pitiful crowds and many still are an you really say that these clubs are living within their means? However if you really think about it have any team in Scottish football ever lived within their means? That means having no debts ! I remember when we were within hours of being toast when Wallace Mercer stepped in were we not guilty of spending excesses even then?? Maybe MA wants to get them living within their means? Does this really mean that they will not be competitive in Scottish football? If Ashley gets them living within their means, they will not get CL money. The Rangers of the past were factoring in CL money to their "means". When they lost out on that due to us and Kaunas, and BoS stopped bending over for them, the shit hit the fan. A Rangers living within its means would probably be a stick on second place every season, but would be a lot weaker than the Rangers of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I like how Orcs are praying that Mashley has a WAR CHEZTZ! Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose! Nice to see standards being kept up here with some continental language Geoff, don't think you would see the likes on RA BERRZ DEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Apologies buddy, I thought the way you had answered you thought only one of them would not be allowed to play in Europe....where the statement you had quoted said that both wouldnt be allowed. Just an error on my part ;-) Call it a senior moment, seems to work for me most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 When MA becomes de facto owner of sevco....does it stop being a loan? As proven with Hearts it is very much still a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasavallan Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 This is what I was trying to explain this morning, more difficult to explain in depth when you're replying on your phone. Go watch Trading Places again. Instead of trading futures in "Pork Bellies", Mashy is trading futures in Sevco shares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 That is very true... but the same was true for all teams in Scottish football at that time nearly all clubs were getting pitiful crowds and many still are an you really say that these clubs are living within their means? However if you really think about it have any team in Scottish football ever lived within their means? That means having no debts ! I remember when we were within hours of being toast when Wallace Mercer stepped in were we not guilty of spending excesses even then?? Maybe MA wants to get them living within their means? Does this really mean that they will not be competitive in Scottish football? A glory hunters joy is all about big name signings trophies league titles floating arenas casinos et al , being competitive wont be enough to bring out the masses! Then theres always the chance that they wont be competitive what then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Go watch Trading Places again. Instead of trading futures in "Pork Bellies", Mashy is trading futures in Sevco shares. That's a poor analogy. In trading places the two protagonists were squabbling over a pound bet. I mean t's not like the huns changed hands for a pound or anything...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Go watch Trading Places again. Instead of trading futures in "Pork Bellies", Mashy is trading futures in Sevco shares.Sooner have the pork bellies!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 If Ashley gets them living within their means, they will not get CL money. The Rangers of the past were factoring in CL money to their "means". When they lost out on that due to us and Kaunas, and BoS stopped bending over for them, the shit hit the fan. A Rangers living within its means would probably be a stick on second place every season, but would be a lot weaker than the Rangers of the past.Not going to totally disagree with that comment but I if I interpret your post you are suggesting that Celtic (or Hearts ) are going to be the team steaming into the CL spot? Are our aspirations to be third every year? Though I have to ask if a Rangers run within their means would have that much less spending power than Celtic run within theirs would be, should spending be the arbiter of success. At the risk of being further labelled a Rangers fan one has to recognise that over and above their spending excesses the major failing at Rangers was inept team management and it remains the same today... which is good for us... meaning Hearts of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 That's a poor analogy. In trading places the two protagonists were squabbling over a pound bet. I mean t's not like the huns changed hands for a pound or anything...... There's a joke in Frozen Concentrated Orange Juice somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgie_Rules Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) As expected, ashley sticks up two fingers to the Sfa. So this appointment basically confirms that Ashley is pulling all the strings (the reason why the SFA are investigating him) Could it be the case that this is about short-term for Ashley to bleed as much money as possible from the retail side of rangers before appearing in front of the SFA in January? Llambias continues his cost-cutting role until then, once the charge proves that Ashely can have no involvement, he buggers off leaving them in limbo, either someone (with alot of cash) swoops in and saves them or admin, with Ashley sailing off into the distance claiming he did all he could (with as much cash as possible generated through the retails operations) Edited December 19, 2014 by Gorgie_Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 A glory hunters joy is all about big name signings trophies league titles floating arenas casinos et al , being competitive wont be enough to bring out the masses! Then theres always the chance that they wont be competitive what then ? Again I would have agree but exactly the same rules apply at Celtic or any club for that matter it depends how high you set the bar. We as a club, I am talking about Hearts here in case there is a question about that, are currently riding the wave of not only our very existence but a remarkable run of good form. I don't care what anybody has to say to the contrary but had we had a continued run of really bad defeats at the start of the season thing would be very much different, things would not be nearly as rosy as they are at the present moment, crowds would quickly have diminished and apathy would have I am afraid quite quickly set in. Sorry for making that comment but to make a point about the way things are you have to bring negativity into the debate to see how they could be given another scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The difference is Vlad and David Murray wanted to use other peoples money to earn money ie the banks , without the banks money rangers would never have achieved the success that they did , Mike Ashley likes to turnaround failing business's but he doesnt do that by throwing money at them, and this is where his plan will fail because THE PEOPLE mentality doesnt do living within your means , the last time THE PEOPLE were living within their means crowds of under twenty thousand was the norm ! a sustainable Rangers would be sensible UEFA financial fair play etc. They really missed the chance 2/3 years ago and so now its more painful. Just going to take longer now. But someone eg Ashley coming in to put club on good financial footing must be good overall for them unless he's going to let them be liquitated. Rangers and Celtic may still be too big to be good for Scottish football by stifling competition but spending within their means is at least a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 wow, did this thread really reach 1400 pages! Many more to come me thinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 wow, did this thread really reach 1400 pages! Many more to come me thinks! Doh! Just didnt make it on the 1400th page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambogjh Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The spineless clowns at the SFA will not stand in the way of MA that much I'm sure about. The SFA's will do everything in there power (changing rules to suit) to accomadate the rangers and MA knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) Why would Mike Ashtray want to end up owning a club that brings in ?12m via ticket sales and cost ?24m to run, and wasted ?70m in two and a half years to win two part time leagues, If they are at best equal with us in this league , what is it going to cost to be competitive with the likes of Aberdeen or Dundee utd who have no debt, never mind Celtic. MA just wants to control the branding arm of the business, but who can relly second guess his actual long term plan, I bet even he does not know yet? One thing you can be certain of, if they bring in ?12 mill income, they won't be costing ?24 Mill to run for much longer. Ashley will absolutely have them living within their means asap AND repaying his loans within that framework, or garnering some other benefit in lieu, as he chooses. Edited December 19, 2014 by Toonpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) So this appointment basically confirms that Ashley is pulling all the strings (the reason why the SFA are investigating him) Could it be the case that this is about short-term for Ashley to bleed as much money as possible from the retail side of rangers before appearing in front of the SFA in January? Llambias continues his cost-cutting role until then, once the charge proves that Ashely can have no involvement, he buggers off leaving them in limbo, either someone (with alot of cash) swoops in and saves them or admin, with Ashley sailing off into the distance claiming he did all he could (with as much cash as possible generated through the retails operations) (the reason why the SFA are investigating him) Think we all know how that'll go. SFA - Can you please confirm that you are who you say you are" Ashley - "I am" SFA - "Thats good enough for me. Investigation completed" Ashley - "lunch is on me and I have a semi-final t-shirt for everyone here. Only 5 pounds" Edited December 19, 2014 by alwaysthereinspirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoatemyhamster Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) Deek gets to work straight away At the dressing room door Might Ashley not fall foul of the EPL ? Disrepute charges etc Edited December 19, 2014 by brunoatemyhamster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strachsuit Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Again I would have agree but exactly the same rules apply at Celtic or any club for that matter it depends how high you set the bar. We as a club, I am talking about Hearts here in case there is a question about that, are currently riding the wave of not only our very existence but a remarkable run of good form. I don't care what anybody has to say to the contrary but had we had a continued run of really bad defeats at the start of the season thing would be very much different, things would not be nearly as rosy as they are at the present moment, crowds would quickly have diminished and apathy would have I am afraid quite quickly set in. Sorry for making that comment but to make a point about the way things are you have to bring negativity into the debate to see how they could be given another scenario. The lady doth protest too much methinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Deek gets to work straight away At the dressing room door Might Ashley not fall foul of the EPL ? Disrepute charges etc Well, if you're wanting to gamble on which organisation will nail Ashley first then I wouldn't put it on the SFA. It'll be like UEFA with Celtic - they're wading in while the SFA sits on its hands and pretends the problems don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Rangers and SFA / SPFL approach getting boost by sponsor announced for League Cup semis and finals - QTS Group circa ?100,000. Old Firm semi will be touted as reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Rangers and SFA / SPFL approach getting boost by sponsor announced for League Cup semis and finals - QTS Group circa ?100,000. Old Firm semi will be touted as reason.A self-fulfilling prophecy by the SPFL. Talk down the game in general, talk up the importance of the OF games and suddenly, when one materialises so does a sponsor - look how important OF games are! Genius marketing by Doncaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 This massive cost cutting at ?1broke, 10 non playing staff punted in recent weeks. Tragic as it is,has hardly turned them around money wise. Llambias must have a few more tricks up his sleeves to save some pennies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The lady doth protest too much methinks! There was a time when if you had a problem with someone you merely pointed at them and shouted "witch". Internet forums are no different really if someone does not have a mainstream view or one that points out another possibility they are the "witch" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalstonjambo Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 There was a time when if you had a problem with someone you merely pointed at them and shouted "witch". Internet forums are no different really if someone does not have a mainstream view or one that points out another possibility they are the "witch" A number of times on this thread - both indirectly and directly people have pointed out to you times where Ashley has taken a gamble either on the off chance of making a profit or as a calculated gamble yet you ignore those points and plough on making the same argument over and over again. No one knows exactly what is in his head, but what you fail to be grasping in no example in the past has ashley shown to just throw millions into a black hole with no return. This is what he would have to do to turn around rangers. He wouldn't see a return for years. Even then, it would be less than he gets with Newcastle (they are making a profit and in lieu to him for ?127 million in a league where there is billions available) so wouldn't it be logical to suggest that Ashley will look to lock up all the profitable revenue streams (as he has done with the retail) lend money he can secure against property/security (as he has done) until there is nothing left? He is not a rangers fan. He is a businessman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawaii Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 As expected, ashley sticks up two fingers to the Sfa. Is it just me or does that quote not have the same feel about it as the one they chucked out for Wallace? Have they just changed the name and Man City to Newcastle?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 A number of times on this thread - both indirectly and directly people have pointed out to you times where Ashley has taken a gamble either on the off chance of making a profit or as a calculated gamble yet you ignore those points and plough on making the same argument over and over again. No one knows exactly what is in his head, but what you fail to be grasping in no example in the past has ashley shown to just throw millions into a black hole with no return. This is what he would have to do to turn around rangers. He wouldn't see a return for years. Even then, it would be less than he gets with Newcastle (they are making a profit and in lieu to him for ?127 million in a league where there is billions available) so wouldn't it be logical to suggest that Ashley will look to lock up all the profitable revenue streams (as he has done with the retail) lend money he can secure against property/security (as he has done) until there is nothing left? He is not a rangers fan. He is a businessman. Correct and ironically he could be the best thing that happens to Sevco if the Orcs are weaned off the war chest mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Perhaps it's just me, but Mr Llambias reminds me of the actor Kenneth Connor. Carry on Hunz.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Correct and ironically he could be the best thing that happens to Sevco if the Orcs are weaned off the war chest mentality. He'll do good things at Rangers. It won't be back to the days of signing the De Boers and so on but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar the Horrible Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 One thing you can be certain of, if they bring in ?12 mill income, they won't be costing ?24 Mill to run for much longer. Ashley will absolutely have them living within their means asap AND repaying his loans within that framework, or garnering some other benefit in lieu, as he chooses. Its more complicated than that, their playing spending budget is well on par within costs, it actually the stadium and the training complex that's costing the money, It was quoted they need 31k paying customers just to break even on a home fixture. They need to find additional revenue regardless, 10 years ago they were raking it in, in fact under SDM (and the bank) they went from ?80m in debt to just ?18m before the wheels came off. but as they stopped spending money on stadium upkeep, it is starting to cost more to maintain it, just like buying a classic car, you might get the car for a grand, but its cost you ?10k per year to maintain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Is it just me or does that quote not have the same feel about it as the one they chucked out for Wallace? Have they just changed the name and Man City to Newcastle?? Good call. From AIM announcement of 20/11/2013 Mr Wallace was employed by Manchester City Football Club, first as Chief Financial Officer (March 2009 - October 2010), and then as Chief Operating Officer (October 2010 - January 2013), during a period of unprecedented success in that club's history. Whilst at Manchester City, Mr Wallace led the transformational changes in the business after the acquisition of the club by Abu Dhabi United Group, implementing world class business processes and corporate governance standards. Commenting on this appointment David Somers, Rangers' independent non-executive director, and acting Chairman, said: "We are delighted to welcome Graham to the Board. His appointment is the successful culmination of a thorough and independent selection process which attracted a number of high calibre candidates. Graham's previous success and his strong financial background in football will be beneficial to lead Rangers to continued future success". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoatemyhamster Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Perhaps it's just me, but Mr Llambias reminds me of the actor Kenneth Connor. Carry on Hunz.... I Always think of Sylvester McCoy when i see him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJEAN51 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The thing is Ashley knows the SFA are weak. They have already spoke about "Armageddon" if Rangers were to desist. He'll probably continue on the road he is going, ploughing loans into them whenever necessary and keeping them alive. If the SFA meddle then he may threaten to recall all his money thus sending them into administration and 'armageddon' will ensue. He knows the SFA/SPFL will do everything possible to ensure that this doesn't happen. So unless the SFA/SPFL grow some bollocks, he'll have free reign to do what he wants. I do expect him to get the company profitable again, and to do so he'll need to start selling tangible assets and ridding the club of their liabilities. Still, it's hard to see what his end game is and why he would be interested in the club unless he is willing to plough millions into them and making them competitive on the field in Scotland and beyond for very little return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The thing is Ashley knows the SFA are weak. They have already spoke about "Armageddon" if Rangers were to desist. He'll probably continue on the road he is going, ploughing loans into them whenever necessary and keeping them alive. If the SFA meddle then he may threaten to recall all his money thus sending them into administration and 'armageddon' will ensue. He knows the SFA/SPFL will do everything possible to ensure that this doesn't happen. So unless the SFA/SPFL grow some bollocks, he'll have free reign to do what he wants. I do expect him to get the company profitable again, and to do so he'll need to start selling tangible assets and ridding the club of their liabilities. Still, it's hard to see what his end game is and why he would be interested in the club unless he is willing to plough millions into them and making them competitive on the field in Scotland and beyond for very little return. What's his interest in Newcastle? He's been there and done that in terms of the plaything. All that matters to him is Sports Direct so all he needs is Orcs buying his shitty sportswear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Would love to know the sales stats for their semi final tee shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 There must be money somewhere or Llambias wages are being paid off the books. "And Rangers told the Stock Exchange: "In line with the cost-cutting exercise announced on 12 November 2014, Mr Llambias's remuneration will be significantly lower than previously offered for this position." The same thought crossed my mind. Somewhere else in Ashley's empire, there may be a wee payroll entry for a "Non-Exec" or something?? Why would Mike Ashtray want to end up owning a club that brings in ?12m via ticket sales and cost ?24m to run, and wasted ?70m in two and a half years to win two part time leagues, If they are at best equal with us in this league , what is it going to cost to be competitive with the likes of Aberdeen or Dundee utd who have no debt, never mind Celtic. MA just wants to control the branding arm of the business, but who can relly second guess his actual long term plan, I bet even he does not know yet? I said in 2012 that the carcass of Rangers was an excellent investment opportunity. You had the fan base with their blinkered acceptance of anything done at Ibrox. You had the easiest of easy re-entries to the league with a surefire chance to win promotions in three successive seasons. You could trim your costs down to effall and get the club (Old or New, who cares) on sound financial footing through three easy years. You'd re-enter the SPL and, in two or three years be competing in Europe. Absolute piece of piss. What's happened in the last two and a half years has made it more difficult since the optimal starting line is in the dim & distant. However, it's not beyond the wit of a man as ruthless as Ashley to get the place back on that track within 18 months. Correct and ironically he could be the best thing that happens to Sevco if the Orcs are weaned off the war chest mentality. If I read him right, he won't give a shiny shite about their war chest mentality. "Weaning off" will be sharp and brutal. As we've shown this year, success in Scotland doesn't need a war chest. Many of the orcs are realising this (based on the comments brought over from their discussion boards) and looking at Hearts with envy. If Ashley brings a similar model, they'll lap it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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