Jump to content

Celtic fans' full page ad in Sun Herald


jambovambo

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 348
  • Created
  • Last Reply
Maroon tinted glasses 2

I personally find it quite funny and correct in what has been published. The club liquidated and then the phoenix club were shoehorned into the league setup at the cost of clubs like Spartans who have been plugging away for years to try and get into the lower leagues as it wouldnt be beneficial (as we seem to have been told numerous time) for Scottish Football to not have a rangers in some form.

 

The only reason they were allowed into division 3 was down to some secret agreement that they now dont want to stick to either as it will cost them money, combined with things like the Alexander wage payments yet they still want to receive financial benefits based on the old club.

 

At the end of the day if there are things in the article that are wrong then im sure the far reaching tentacles of the orcdome will look to start some sort of legal proceedings, however I feel confident that the staff at The Herald made sure any libellous statements were removed prior to publication and what we are left with are the cold hard facts.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't mind it from a 'wind-up' point of view, it's just football rival banter. My only issue with it is the money they've spent on printing that, THREE THOUSAND pounds. Surely there are good causes more worthy than printing a newspaper advert, especially the Herald, who buys the Herald? Surely they could have picked out three small local charities, donated a grand to each, they'd have appreciated it a lot more than a newspaper. If Rangers fans even see the advert, I don't think it will irritate them. It's like when Hibs fans spew their usual poppy debt tales, we know the facts, we know that was paid. Rangers fans believe they are still Rangers, Celtic fans want them to think they're a new club. We laugh off Hibs fans, Rangers fans should laugh off Celtic fans and then laugh at them when they hear the money they spent.

 

Celtic's obsession with Rangers only shows that they are still the same bitter rivals they were a hundred years ago, they're both still the same clubs.

 

I'm looking forward to the game. I want to see either Celtic to win 8 or 9-0 or Rangers to beat them, that would be funny.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Many more people (including me) buy the Herald than the Scotsman - it's a much better paper.

 

Also three grand - if 30000 of them donated (I doubt that many) - then that's 10p each.

 

What's the saying ? For shits and giggles? Good value.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'll gloss over that it has already happened to Hibernian and say that if it happened again and they changed names but still had the same stadium and players I'd still not care. You see, football to me isn't about off field stuff like company formations, standard securities and long leaseholds. Football is on the park for me, if far rather bam up Hibs by victory and ridiculing their inferior efforts at playing football.

 

All this historic chat about club foundings (prevalent amongst Celtic and Rangers fans for obvious disgusting reasons and the filthy part of our support) bears no significance to me. All this "The" Rangers and newco chat is totally horrendous. I've been there this season and it felt just the same as it did before. Celebrations were as good as they would've been previously. Anybody pretending otherwise is a liar.

 

If Hibs ever have such an event I would hope we wouldn't be so small time and infantile to place such a ridiculous advert.

The spirit of this I agree with 100%. It's rangers, that's why everyone's enjoying their travails so much.

The irony is that I've openly laughed at Bryce's attempts on the existential thread but at the end of the day I actually agree with him. It's just his desperation to prove the case, what happened to "no-one likes us we don't care?"

 

It's simple, a football club is identified by their following IMO, and if they're not rangers, celtic fans would have no reason to take that advert out.

 

 

But this is football. 

You can't give fans a giant, brightly coloured cake like liquidation and expect them not to eat it.

 

Whether we believe it or not, it makes no difference - it annoys rangers fans therefore it goes on for as long as the memory lasts. Like 5-1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Rangers FC (1872) plc (IL) - - Sevco 5088 - - Sevco Scotland Ltd - - The Rangers FC (2012) Ltd.  

 

We may joke about who the entity in royal blue with the 5 stars over its badge is, but we all know who they are.  Even if the club goes through another administration / liquidation it will still be the same club in the eyes of Scottish football.  Regardless, I will still refer to the current variety as Sevco,

 

As for the Advertisement, what a waste of good money that could have been put to better use in a poor box at the local Parkhead chipped apple. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So the content doesn't matter, yeah?

 

Irrespective, the day Hearts fans spend a four figure sum (presumably) on Hibs would be a sad one.

 

I note you had (still) no comment on some of the things stated, for example the feel of beating Rangers, I'll guess it's because you cannot debunk it.

 

I would engage you re the Babestation thing, but you'd just ignore it for the third time so I'll not bother. :)

Haha :)

 

I did answer your question. You think that in me saying the celtic fans are fair enough doing what they did that I agree with them. Right?

 

My answer is I don't care either way. Yes you're damn well right I celebrated the win at Ibrox as if we had just beaten Rangers - because we had.

 

My point is that celtic fans are entitled to do what they did to get it right up the Huns if that is what they choose to do.

 

That's football. That's city rivalry. It doesn't mean I agree with them, or that I passionately believe or want to fight for what they say.

 

It's what fans do. Just like us ramming 5-1 down Hibs throats whenever we can by whatever means. Porn channel or not. I happen to think that element of 5-1 was particularly funny. But it is also damn childish. Infantile even.

 

But so what? Oh yeah it annoys the hobos.

 

Well isn't that exactly the point.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The spirit of this I agree with 100%. It's rangers, that's why everyone's enjoying their travails so much.

The irony is that I've openly laughed at Bryce's attempts on the existential thread but at the end of the day I actually agree with him. It's just his desperation to prove the case, what happened to "no-one likes us we don't care?"

 

It's simple, a football club is identified by their following IMO, and if they're not rangers, celtic fans would have no reason to take that advert out.

 

 

But this is football.

You can't give fans a giant, brightly coloured cake like liquidation and expect them not to eat it.

 

Whether we believe it or not, it makes no difference - it annoys rangers fans therefore it goes on for as long as the memory lasts. Like 5-1

Spot on

 

Football fans pretending they don't get it??

 

Weird.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

People still buy newspapers? How quaint. They should of hired an media guru to organise something up to date and wanky like a flashmob in a railway station. They could have expressed themselves through the medium of mime/dance, etc.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

They could have expressed themselves through the medium of mime/dance, etc.

 

:laugh4:

 

marcel.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Perhaps the 3 grand would've been better spent on anti-sectarian, anti-racism, anti domestic violence campaigns. Than whether or not the team they are playing is a new club. The ?3000 may also have reduced the millions that will be wasted staffing the A&E departments across Scotland on Sunday.

 

They are two cheeks of the bum - 3 grand adverts will never change that!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

"we reviewed the initial copy supplied and passed this to the Advertising Standards Authority and our own group lawyers and, as a result rejected the supplied copy on various legal grounds and requested substantial changes and substantive evidence before we would consider for approval for publication."

 

So what was published was all true......

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Because, as designed, the myth will become 'fact' if the fallacy remains uncontested. At some point in the future, possibly even years away, I believe the truth will emerge. I would however prefer it to emerge now.

 

Ok, then you'll have to help me here, what exactly is it that you hope to achieve with a newspaper ad? What are your aims? What outcome are you looking for?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The first sentence says "hiya I'm a Celtic fan, as Celtic fans are the only people who claim that Scottish football has always been run for Rangers benefit only, the rest of us know better.

 

The second sentence therefore doesn't ring true in the use of the words "our club" in reference to HEarts.

 

:Agree:

 

Exactly how I read it too.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's different from doing 5-1.

 

5-1 celebrates one of our achievements and I don't actually think many Hibs fans give a shit anymore.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you are happy to acknowledge this incarnation of Rangers as being the same as the old mob - then, in my opinion, you are part of the problem - not the solution.

 

I don't necessarily agree with the way they've gone about it - but what the celtic lot have said is what we should ALL have been pointing out ever since this was allowed to happen.

 

The acceptance of new Rangers being the same as the old Rangers is embarrassing - yet its been allowed from top to bottom with very little questioning.

 

You'll very rarely ever see me agree with anything the hooped demons do, but the sentiment here is spot on.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you are happy to acknowledge this incarnation of Rangers as being the same as the old mob - then, in my opinion, you are part of the problem - not the solution.

 

I don't necessarily agree with the way they've gone about it - but what the celtic lot have said is what we should ALL have been pointing out ever since this was allowed to happen.

 

The acceptance of new Rangers being the same as the old Rangers is embarrassing - yet its been allowed from top to bottom with very little questioning.

 

You'll very rarely ever see me agree with anything the hooped demons do, but the sentiment here is spot on.

By bashing out a couple of lines of my opinion from a living room in Holland what problem am I part of exactly?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Criiiinge worthy antics from a bunch of sad acts.

 

The Rangers and Celtic fans are a total riddy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

King of the North

Love the fact that Bryce isn't bothered.

 

Then comes on here trying to be all matey because he thinks we are brothers in arms against teams that play in green. But not in a bigoted way. No sir.

 

But he's really not bothered. Not bothered at all.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you are happy to acknowledge this incarnation of Rangers as being the same as the old mob - then, in my opinion, you are part of the problem - not the solution.

 

I don't necessarily agree with the way they've gone about it - but what the celtic lot have said is what we should ALL have been pointing out ever since this was allowed to happen.

 

The acceptance of new Rangers being the same as the old Rangers is embarrassing - yet its been allowed from top to bottom with very little questioning.

 

You'll very rarely ever see me agree with anything the hooped demons do, but the sentiment here is spot on.

The constant droning on about sevco newco etc is embarrassing and incredibly tedious . When Celtic play Rangers their fans think they are playing Rangers , otherwise the advert wouldn't have happened . Who have we beaten twice this season already ? Not sevco or newco but Rangers . Stop it

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Celtic fans seem to fall into the category of 'the lady doth protest too much me thinks'. Why do they care so much about a club which, apparently, is of no interest to them because it's brand new? Anyone watching from the outside would think there was some kind of long-standing rivalry there...

 

If Celtic fans didn't believe they were about to play Rangers why would they be frothing at the mouth with so much excitement and falling over themselves to get tickets?

 

I have taken much more pleasure from our results against Rangers this season then I would have if they were I club I considered to have only existed for 2 and a half years.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If you are happy to acknowledge this incarnation of Rangers as being the same as the old mob - then, in my opinion, you are part of the problem - not the solution.

 

I don't necessarily agree with the way they've gone about it - but what the celtic lot have said is what we should ALL have been pointing out ever since this was allowed to happen.

 

The acceptance of new Rangers being the same as the old Rangers is embarrassing - yet its been allowed from top to bottom with very little questioning.

 

You'll very rarely ever see me agree with anything the hooped demons do, but the sentiment here is spot on.

Assuming there's lots of people on this thread are, in your mind, part of the problem - what do you suggest is the solution?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Barney Rubble

Assuming there's lots of people on this thread are, in your mind, part of the problem - what do you suggest is the solution?

 

Show some humility for their cheating year s relinquish there claims to trophies titles and history that died along with the old club and generally just die would be a start!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The spirit of this I agree with 100%. It's rangers, that's why everyone's enjoying their travails so much.

The irony is that I've openly laughed at Bryce's attempts on the existential thread but at the end of the day I actually agree with him. It's just his desperation to prove the case, what happened to "no-one likes us we don't care?"

 

It's simple, a football club is identified by their following IMO, and if they're not rangers, celtic fans would have no reason to take that advert out.

 

 

But this is football. 

You can't give fans a giant, brightly coloured cake like liquidation and expect them not to eat it.

 

Whether we believe it or not, it makes no difference - it annoys rangers fans therefore it goes on for as long as the memory lasts. Like 5-1

 

This and the preceding post by bighusref are the best comments about the whole farce that I've seen on the matter.

 

I see all of this as nothing more than a great way to wind up Rangers fans, which is why I always get a laugh out of them getting red-faced over the "you let your club die" chant.  But this is football -- no need to make it into a deadly serious matter. I care far more about blocking their promotion than whether or not they're the same club or a different club supported by the same insufferable creeps.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This and the preceding post by bighusref are the best comments about the whole farce that I've seen on the matter.

 

I see all of this as nothing more than a great way to wind up Rangers fans, which is why I always get a laugh out of them getting red-faced over the "you let your club die" chant.  But this is football -- no need to make it into a deadly serious matter. I care far more about blocking their promotion than whether or not they're the same club or a different club supported by the same insufferable creeps.

I wasn't done simply to wind up Sevco fans.

 

Bryce and his ilk will want/hope that everyone will see it that way though and dismiss it out of hand as some ill informed/ill advised  jolly jape by  bitter Celtic fans.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Show some humility for their cheating year s relinquish there claims to trophies titles and history that died along with the old club and generally just die would be a start!

But what would that actually do ?? It doesn't change anything they will continue to play at Ibrox in blue with the same prehistoric supporters singing the same old songs and they and their neighbours will still be dubbed the "the old firm"

 

If someone was to tell me the SFA/SPFL will suddenly change their pandering ways towards all things "old firm" on the admission from Rangers that they are a new club - then I'd see the point, that'll never happen so to me and many others its an irrelevance and they'll still always be the same old Rangers.

 

You only have to cast your mind back a couple of weeks to recognise how much they still get away with - Celtic aside who else in Scottish football would've got away with that pitch not being cleared and the subsequent abandonment without so much as a word in their ear from the SPFL!?!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Barney Rubble

But what would that actually do ?? It doesn't change anything they will continue to play at Ibrox in blue with the same prehistoric supporters singing the same old songs and they and their neighbours will still be dubbed the "the old firm"

 

If someone was to tell me the SFA/SPFL will suddenly change their pandering ways towards all things "old firm" on the admission from Rangers that they are a new club - then I'd see the point, that'll never happen so to me and many others its an irrelevance and they'll still always be the same old Rangers.

 

You only have to cast your mind back a couple of weeks to recognise how much they still get away with - Celtic aside who else in Scottish football would've got away with that pitch not being cleared and the subsequent abandonment without so much as a

word in their ear from the SPFL!?!

 

 

Saying and doing something anything is better than doing nothing in my eyes , if nothing is said or done all we are doing is killing a few seasons waiting on the chosen ones being placed in their " rightful place " a the top of the Scottish game with the rest of us playing 3rd 4th and 5 th fiddle to a shitey old firm product that had Scottish football on its knees for decades !

My hope in all this is to bring down the SFA that's all :2thumbsup:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Plain rabble rousing and no need for it.

Lol - football fans bait city rivals.

 

You're right - shouldn't happen. It will never catch on....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Assuming there's lots of people on this thread are, in your mind, part of the problem - what do you suggest is the solution?

The solution for me would have been to reject any sort of suggestion or claim that this latest incarnation are a continuation of the old club.

 

In my opinion, we should all have taken this stance from the word go. The fact so many have rolled over and had their bellies rubbed and now tow the 'it's the same supporters in the same stadium so it's the same club' party line probably suggests we have gone beyond a solution now though.

 

This latest incarnation of rangers should never have been able to make any claims to being a continuation in the first place.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The solution for me would have been to reject any sort of suggestion or claim that this latest incarnation are a continuation of the old club.

 

In my opinion, we should all have taken this stance from the word go. The fact so many have rolled over and had their bellies rubbed and now tow the 'it's the same supporters in the same stadium so it's the same club' party line probably suggests we have gone beyond a solution now though.

 

This latest incarnation of rangers should never have been able to make any claims to being a continuation in the first place.

But what problem is this actually a solution to? If I'm part of the problem, I have a right to know! :D

Link to comment
Share on other sites

SectionDJambo

Don't have much of a problem with Rangers fans insisting they are still the same club. They do, however, annoy many with the lies about being relegated to the 3rd division, when they were given special dispensation to restart life in the 3rd division, with no competition from other clubs who may have been further up the list of those entitled to join the league in that position. Can't remember Gretna being allowed that favour.

What will be interesting, will be, when Rangers do eventually gain promotion to the top league, how Celtic describe them in their programme. Will they give a history from 2012 or 18whatever? Will they risk upsetting their jovial scamps, called fans, by calling Rangers the old club?

It would seem there are enough Celtic fans who would not appreciate their club pandering to the party line of the SPFL and media.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The solution for me would have been to reject any sort of suggestion or claim that this latest incarnation are a continuation of the old club.

 

In my opinion, we should all have taken this stance from the word go. The fact so many have rolled over and had their bellies rubbed and now tow the 'it's the same supporters in the same stadium so it's the same club' party line probably suggests we have gone beyond a solution now though.

 

This latest incarnation of rangers should never have been able to make any claims to being a continuation in the first place.

Right, but in practical terms what does that  mean?

 

If they say 'we've won pure huners of titles' then we say 'no you haven't'?

 

The only way I see it mattering is how the record books remember this time. They'll say Rangers won their first premiership title in 20XX as the new entity but that they won X before liquidation. 

 

For me it doesn't matter 'who' they are unless that gives them an advantage on the pitch. They can say they've won hundreds of premier league titles or they can say they have won none. I am not going to get my knickers in a twist about it. 

 

As an aside and a bit of general whataboutery - did Celtic not change their legal entity a few years back? When Fergus took over? Or did they keep the same company number?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Bilel Mohsni

Hard to care much either way. I like that it will annoy Rangers fans, but it's not our rivalry, or our business, so I don't have a whole lot to say about it.

 

Hope it's messy as **** when they play that match, and both clubs are punished for something or other. Hope all the decent supporters get home safe though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Saying and doing something anything is better than doing nothing in my eyes , if nothing is said or done all we are doing is killing a few seasons waiting on the chosen ones being placed in their " rightful place " a the top of the Scottish game with the rest of us playing 3rd 4th and 5 th fiddle to a shitey old firm product that had Scottish football on its knees for decades !

My hope in all this is to bring down the SFA that's all :2thumbsup:

But seriously (I'm not having a go) do you think Rangers admitting they're a new club will change the duopoly when they do return to the top flight? Those at the top of the game want the old firm back it's simple - they cannot see what's staring them in the face - its a better product without them and perhaps turning their attention to that would actually gain them sponsorship and TV deals. But sadly milking the old firm tit is all they know!

 

Bringing down the SFA is an entirely different crusade, and one I suspect will never happen even if the team from Govan declare themselves newbies.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Francis Albert

But seriously (I'm not having a go) do you think Rangers admitting they're a new club will change the duopoly when they do return to the top flight? Those at the top of the game want the old firm back it's simple - they cannot see what's staring them in the face - its a better product without them and perhaps turning their attention to that would actually gain them sponsorship and TV deals. But sadly milking the old firm tit is all they know!

 

Bringing down the SFA is an entirely different crusade, and one I suspect will never happen even if the team from Govan declare themselves newbies.

Bringing down the SFA won't happen. Changing it into an organisation that evenly represents the whole Scottish game will only happen if the other 40 clubs have the balls to do

so, including calling the "OF"'s ridiculous bluff of the threat to abandon Scottish football for ... well wherever would be stupid enough to take them. The fact that the absurdly undemocratic voting rules

remain unaltered even after the ludicrous "Armageddon" forecasts and the fact that those forecasts have proved utterly wrong does not unfortunately augur well.

 

Maybe the fans of the other 40 clubs could get together to fund a full page advert or two urging their clubs to act!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It annoys Rangers fans and makes Celtic fans look like ******s at their own expense.

Win win for me.

Well said that man.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Going to be a bloodbath next Sunday.

Glasgow jambos stay indoors!

 

That is unbelievably classless from the Celtic supporters.

 

Shame on the editors of both papers for publishing it.

What happened to the guy who penned the Livi programme earlier this season basically saying the same thing?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On the "Are they still Rangers?" debate I have been very consistent in saying that I believe they are and still view them as such, as with Middlesbrough, Napoli and others.  Had the worst happened to Hearts, I was also consistent in saying that I would have supported the new team and still seen them as Hearts.  For me, financial difficulties do not break a club in its entirety.

 

I think it is embarrassing for celtic that their fans chose to spend so much money on this, and for a club so willing to tell us of their supposed greatness, this is such a waste of time, effort and money (which could have been donated to charities).  

 

It is also highly irresponsible as what is already a highly charged match just became even more so.  Once again, celtic, or people connected with celtic, fuel the fire, stir it up as much as they possibly can and then will claim to be innocent and the victim (yet again) if anything serious happens on Sunday.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The solution for me would have been to reject any sort of suggestion or claim that this latest incarnation are a continuation of the old club.

 

In my opinion, we should all have taken this stance from the word go. The fact so many have rolled over and had their bellies rubbed and now tow the 'it's the same supporters in the same stadium so it's the same club' party line probably suggests we have gone beyond a solution now though.

 

This latest incarnation of rangers should never have been able to make any claims to being a continuation in the first place.

Give it a feckin break will you . Who , apart from yourself , celtic fans and some other pedants , gives a flying one ?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fozzyonthefence

The constant droning on about sevco newco etc is embarrassing and incredibly tedious . When Celtic play Rangers their fans think they are playing Rangers , otherwise the advert wouldn't have happened . Who have we beaten twice this season already ? Not sevco or newco but Rangers . Stop it

 

Why does it annoy you?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Why does it annoy you?

 

Maybe because it is boring, tedious and incorrect?  Just a wild stab in the dark.....  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.




×
×
  • Create New...