Victorian Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I'm sure there is a bit more of this to unfold If anything has been signed and the agreements werent subject to trial or subject to us lodging documents with the SFA then we will still have a contract with these guys.... Lets just hope that Vlad backs Csaba on this. Lets hope there is no "u-turn" decision by Csaba. It seems clear to me that Csaba doesnt want the Portuguese to play tonight how did you come to that startling conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 how did you come to that startling conclusion? Because Csaba sent them home ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1742834,00.html Players sent home ,where is trhe war between Csaba and Vlad again? ****ing Vlad - wheres the pitchforks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1742834,00.html Players sent home ,where is trhe war between Csaba and Vlad again? Excellent news. If that's the way the system is going to work at Hearts then happy days. Players come in, manager checks them out, they're emptied if they're gash. Should avoid a repeat of the Tullberg fiasco. Beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Now confirmed on the offical website that both have gone home.http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1742834,00.html How does that marry with the "information" you received over the weekend JR? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 how did you come to that startling conclusion? oh, right, so he wants them to play? Anyway, as long as Vlad's ego isnt too bruised, this is good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 A few posters left to look a bit silly yet again. How can we turn this into a negative thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 oh, right, so he wants them to play? Anyway, as long as Vlad's ego isnt too bruised, this is good news. Is it really? I was hoping they were going to be good players!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_vlad Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Because Csaba sent them home ? But Vlad controls csaba like a puppet, and rules with a iron fist so why would he let this happen! he must have lost interests in us ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 http://www.heartsfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/HeartsNewsDetail/0,,10289~1742834,00.html Players sent home ,where is trhe war between Csaba and Vlad again? Oh dear. Makes the Portuguese trialists thread seem a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Glad to see it pan out this way tbh on the other hand lets hope csaba is not cutting his nose of to spite his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 A few posters left to look a bit silly yet again. How can we turn this into a negative thing? Depends if Csaba is tired of having to trial players he doesnt want / doesnt rate, depends if he considers these trials are being placed ahead of the queue of people he wants who would cost roughly the same. However, after years of exactly this type of thing not happening, a manager telling Vlad to shove his trialists is positive. Hopefully Vlad reacts to this in good spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Excellent news. If that's the way the system is going to work at Hearts then happy days. Players come in, manager checks them out, they're emptied if they're gash. Should avoid a repeat of the Tullberg fiasco. Beautiful. You do realise Csaba wanted to keep Tullberg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Is it really? I was hoping they were going to be good players!! I know what you mean They did seem to get better advanced billing than, say Wittenven. So I am surprised they didnt get more air time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Just glad the club announced the news before the conspiracy theories started ,maybe not . Csaba does not actually say they are bad players just that they are not the right players at this time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I hope we are now done with this trailist crap and Csaba is allowed to bring in the players he wants to bring in. Time is running out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.A.N.S Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Quite believe they had medicals and had contracts verbally sorted but when Csaba said "no" that was all irrelevant. Csaba has shown with the two previous Lithuanian league trialists and these to Portugese lads that he has the final say. All positive and if there was half a chance to slate wee Vlad I would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Just glad the club announced the news before the conspiracy theories started ,maybe not . Csaba does not actually say they are bad players just that they are not the right players at this time . Which means they are not going to improve the team. Now considering we don't have a striker who can score goals that suggests to me the CF who failed his 'trial' is not a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 What was his glowing reference to Kucharski again ? Csaba on Kucharski: "Dawid is a guy in the central defence who is quiet and likes to play football. He has a very good eye." Wouldn't sy it was glowing but he obviously thinks he is a good player. I think the reason Wittiveen signed and this pair didn't is that Csaba actually thinks Wittiveen can be a useful addition to the squad. Hadn't seen this quote before and it certainly makes me feel better about the signing of Wittiveen... "He will come to Edinburgh and we will talk about his future," said manager Csaba Laszlo. "He is a powerful player and, if he learns a little bit and we try to build him up, I think he will be a good player." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Because Csaba sent them home ? oh, right, so he wants them to play? Anyway, as long as Vlad's ego isnt too bruised, this is good news. wasn't it bleeding obvious he didn't want them to play? he's quite clearly stated he doesn't see them helping the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Cue a 15 page thread headed "Vlad not a happy man"? On brink of sacking Csaba, putting Hearts into administration, etc etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Quite believe they had medicals and had contracts verbally sorted but when Csaba said "no" that was all irrelevant. Csaba has shown with the two previous Lithuanian league trialists and these to Portugese lads that he has the final say. It seems a waste of Csaba's time VR sending these guys over. I wish he would just let Csaba get on with the job and let him sign a fricking CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Excellent news. If that's the way the system is going to work at Hearts then happy days. Players come in, manager checks them out, they're emptied if they're gash. Should avoid a repeat of the Tullberg fiasco. Beautiful. I agree. I care little who comes in "on trial" as long as the man in charge of the football team, ie Laszlo, gets to make his mind up whether or not he thinks the players offer anything to our squad. In this instance, he doesn't think they will so they have been sent home. Good news IMO. However, much like DH has suggested, time is really running out and our continued, three pre seasons running, issues with signing a striker have not yet been rectified. The season kicks off a week on Monday and even if we sign that elusive striker today I envisage the old "he won't be properly fit as he hasn't went through a full preseason" comments coming out. That is obviously based on the hope that we actually do sign that elusive striker at any time in this window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Depends if Csaba is tired of having to trial players he doesnt want / doesnt rate, depends if he considers these trials are being placed ahead of the queue of people he wants who would cost roughly the same. However, after years of exactly this type of thing not happening, a manager telling Vlad to shove his trialists is positive. Hopefully Vlad reacts to this in good spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 You do realise Csaba wanted to keep Tullberg? This is JKB. Never let a trivial thing like the facts get in the way of a good rant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I think the reason Wittiveen signed and this pair didn't is that Csaba actually thinks Wittiveen can be a useful addition to the squad. Hadn't seen this quote before and it certainly makes me feel better about the signing of Wittiveen... "He will come to Edinburgh and we will talk about his future," said manager Csaba Laszlo. "He is a powerful player and, if he learns a little bit and we try to build him up, I think he will be a good player." The only thing with this quote is that it suggests to me that he sees Witteveen as a player that will not go straight into our first team. It reads to me that Witteveen will be a player that he intends on developing as a squad player as opposed to being first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 It seems a waste of Csaba's time VR sending these guys over. I wish he would just let Csaba get on with the job and let him sign a fricking CF. I don't know about a waste of time. If one of them had been good then it wouldn't have been a waste of time. I think the fact that Csaba gave Zezinando a run out suggests that he maybe thought he had something about him and needed to see him in a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 It seems a waste of Csaba's time VR sending these guys over. I wish he would just let Csaba get on with the job and let him sign a fricking CF. Not if it unearths a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 The only thing with this quote is that it suggests to me that he sees Witteveen as a player that will not go straight into our first team. It reads to me that Witteveen will be a player that he intends on developing as a squad player as opposed to being first choice. Yeah, I agree but at least Csaba doesn't appear unhappy with him as a potential signing. However, his ABC speech reveals that while he may be happy to develop Witty slowly he still wants a proven striker and thats where Vlad needs to step up and support his manager as he has done so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 However, much like DH has suggested, time is really running out and our continued, three pre seasons running, issues with signing a striker have not yet been rectified. The season kicks off a week on Monday and even if we sign that elusive striker today I envisage the old "he won't be properly fit as he hasn't went through a full preseason" comments coming out. That is obviously based on the hope that we actually do sign that elusive striker at any time in this window. This is one of the few points of consensus on here. It does look like we will be going into season 3 without a player that can score goals. One would imagine that this should have been the point of focus since May but it would appear not. IMHO it would be negligent and would show a real lack of ambition to fail to sign a goal-scorer before 31st August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I hope we are now done with this trailist crap and Csaba is allowed to bring in the players he wants to bring in. Time is running out. Well I hope we're NOT finished with this trialist crap. If say he has not heard of a good player but one of our foreign players (or indeed anyone) tips him the wink about someone who is available, what do we have to lose? Maye you just meant trialists that you think are VR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Csaba on Kucharski: "Dawid is a guy in the central defence who is quiet and likes to play football. He has a very good eye." Wouldn't sy it was glowing but he obviously thinks he is a good player. This was said after the match v Goslar. This was the first time Csaba had commented on the guy 3 days after he signed. When he signed Bouzid and Suso he was quick to mention how he'd tracked them for a while etc. But he found nothing to say on Kucharski. How often does a club sign a player and the Manager doesn't comment ? Food for thought. Also.... From today EEN : "We have played all the possibilities in defence," continued Laszlo. "We played Zaliukas with Ismael (Bouzid], we played Zaliukas with Jose (Goncalves], Ismael and Jose, Dawid Kucharski and Ismael. Now everybody knows everybody. The most important is to find out who goes well with who. Tonight we will probably begin with Zaliukas and Ismael but I would also like to see Zaliukas with Jose together." Kucharski looks to be 4th choice on the list for a place at CH tonight. Can't be that good if he's behind Jose !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 How does that marry with the "information" you received over the weekend JR? :) Thats about 50% of it now out in the open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Moreira must have been honking in training. Glad it seem Csaba has the final say, and it does make that Portuguese Trialists thread a bit of a laugh now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Moreira must have been honking in training. Glad it seem Csaba has the final say, and it does make that Portuguese Trialists thread a bit of a laugh now. Not to mention the we've signed 6 players one and the all aboard the happy train one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 This was said after the match v Goslar. This was the first time Csaba had commented on the guy 3 days after he signed. When he signed Bouzid and Suso he was quick to mention how he'd tracked them for a while etc. But he found nothing to say on Kucharski. How often does a club sign a player and the Manager doesn't comment ? Food for thought. Also.... From today EEN : Kucharski looks to be 4th choice on the list for a place at CH tonight. Can't be that good if he's behind Jose !! TBH I'd much rather we started with either Kucharski/Jose and Bouzid. I know you think Zal is the devil incarnate and I dont quite, but either way he's suspended for the first 4 games, we need to get a partnership which can play for those 4, and work on Zal + 1 in training if he's to be 1st choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Depends if Csaba is tired of having to trial players he doesnt want / doesnt rate, depends if he considers these trials are being placed ahead of the queue of people he wants who would cost roughly the same. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy T Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 wasn't it bleeding obvious he didn't want them to play? he's quite clearly stated he doesn't see them helping the team. "bleeding obvious" doesnt seem to exist on JKB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigaro Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Not to mention the we've signed 6 players one and the all aboard the happy train one.... I think I missed/ignored them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Not if it unearths a great player. yeah but if a great player IS unearthed then it's safe to say the credit wouldn't be going anywhere near vlad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Kickback really is a depressing place these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I hope we are now done with this trailist crap and Csaba is allowed to bring in the players he wants to bring in. Time is running out. Surely that all depends on what they would cost ie what are their demands & are they affordable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 "bleeding obvious" doesnt seem to exist on JKB.... only when it suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I don't know about a waste of time. If one of them had been good then it wouldn't have been a waste of time. I think the fact that Csaba gave Zezinando a run out suggests that he maybe thought he had something about him and needed to see him in a match. Not if it unearths a great player. Well I hope we're NOT finished with this trialist crap.If say he has not heard of a good player but one of our foreign players (or indeed anyone) tips him the wink about someone who is available, what do we have to lose? Maye you just meant trialists that you think are VR's. VR sending Csaba trialists has been a complete waste of time. This is the 3rd Transfer Window in a row he's been sent them and we've not had a single success story. VR even sent Csaba one guy twice !! VR has a god awful record of picking players and should throw all his files and dvd's onto a big bonfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboMarc Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Did anybody on here see them in training? What was their thoughts on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 TBH I'd much rather we started with either Kucharski/Jose and Bouzid. I know you think Zal is the devil incarnate and I dont quite, but either way he's suspended for the first 4 games, we need to get a partnership which can play for those 4, and work on Zal + 1 in training if he's to be 1st choice. Agreed. I'd like to see Kucharski and Bouzid start as I've not seen either in action at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie. Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 This was said after the match v Goslar. This was the first time Csaba had commented on the guy 3 days after he signed. When he signed Bouzid and Suso he was quick to mention how he'd tracked them for a while etc. But he found nothing to say on Kucharski. How often does a club sign a player and the Manager doesn't comment ? Food for thought. Also.... From today EEN : Kucharski looks to be 4th choice on the list for a place at CH tonight. Can't be that good if he's behind Jose !! OR he has already seen what Kucharski can do and is confident in his ability. Csaba clearly wasn't questionned about Kucharski at the time of his signing as there was no interview with him at all. That doesn't mean he didnt want him to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 yeah but if a great player IS unearthed then it's safe to say the credit wouldn't be going anywhere near vlad. To be fair the odds on this happening are fairly long. It's why we have the much vaunted youth system and academy. It's easy to snipe though but how successful was Romanov's pyramid system and 'shop window' for emerging Eastern European talent? One player sold on in 4 years and the club we sold him to doubled their dough 3 months later? hardly a ringing endorsement or indeed worth the gash the paying supporter had to endure while the 'shop window' was open. credit where it's due and criticism where it's due. It's called balance apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 This is one of the few points of consensus on here. It does look like we will be going into season 3 without a player that can score goals. One would imagine that this should have been the point of focus since May but it would appear not. IMHO it would be negligent and would show a real lack of ambition to fail to sign a goal-scorer before 31st August. There is the galling bit. We have been looking for three pre-seasons for a goalscorer and have failed to find one. Despite having signed far more players than I thought we would, we are still waiting on the most important one. We are now talking about the end of the transfer window, the start of pre-season is long gone and the start of the season is very close. Why have we had such difficulty in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Moreira must have been honking in training. To say the least !!! Glad it seems Csaba has the final say, and it does make that Portuguese Trialists thread a bit of a laugh now. But some of the points on it remain valid : VR should stop sending Csaba players as they are most likely to be completely rotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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