Did he miss it on purpose?

[Ked]

8 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

Feelings running high tonight Ked.

A ken mate.

 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

2 hours ago, KG1874 said:

It’s the first time I’ve felt fuming at him for letting us down but no chance he’s missed on purpose and although off topic, him walking down the tunnel I’d put down to being embarrassed. 

 

But you still want to play him, as 'Captain' too?

[Ked]

2 minutes ago, brunoatemyhamster said:

For everyone who's asking who this benefits for him to miss that penalty. 

 

It's Shankland. 

 

It's not the missing, that happens. Keeper saves it fine, but that was stinking. 

 

He's now a shoe in to leave in January, so his wages go up 6 month early. 

 

Has he looked like a player who's trying to impress teams, or look like a player who can't wait to leave? 

The only reason he'd be like that is if he's got something better lined up. 

 

Ibrox

January

Tapped

 

 

Rangers don't want him.

He has no resale value.

 

[Fozzyonthefence]

6 minutes ago, brunoatemyhamster said:

For everyone who's asking who this benefits for him to miss that penalty. 

 

It's Shankland. 

 

It's not the missing, that happens. Keeper saves it fine, but that was stinking. 

 

He's now a shoe in to leave in January, so his wages go up 6 month early. 

Expect a falling out or something else, and then          " Rangers end Shanklands Tynecastle hell" in the Record. 

 

Has he looked like a player who's trying to impress teams, or look like a player who can't wait to leave? 

The only reason he'd be like that is if he's got something better lined up. 

 

Ibrox

January

Tapped

 

 

How is he a shoe in to leave in January?  Who’s going to want him and also pay a fee for a striker that couldn’t hit a barn door?  No danger Rangers are interested in him now, even if they were before. 

Edited November 28, 2024 by Fozzyonthefence

[brunoatemyhamster]

3 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

How is he a shoe in to leave in January?  Who’s going to want him and also pay a fee for a striker that couldn’t hit a barn door?

Would you, right now, let him leave for nothing in January, get him off your wage bill or deal with this for another 6 months? 

At this moment in time we don't want him. He's useless. He's keeping someone out the team that might help us. His 6 months wages could pay someone to come in January that can score goals. 

He wasn't a striker that couldn't hit a barn door till he turned down 14k a week. 

Wonder why anyone might do that? 

Risky unless you've got something better sorted. 

 

Whole thing stinks

Edited November 28, 2024 by brunoatemyhamster

[KG1874]

2 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

But you still want to play him, as 'Captain' too?

100%. I’d start him against Aberdeen and keep him as captain. That’s just me though I get why others think he needs a break. 

[Cut The Crap]

I don’t believe for a second that he missed it deliberately, but he really does look like a player who is working his ticket. The sooner he leaves the better. 

[jamboiain13]

40 minutes ago, jambostuart said:

If Shanks didn't take it we would all be commenting on him not having the bottle to take one. As captain it's his responsibility and a scored penalty could have got him back on track. 

 

As it was he ****ed it and now needs dropped. The big call is with Critchley. If Shanks starts against Aberdeen I think it speaks volumes. We may not have many options but right now Shankland needs taken out the firing line.

OR!  We might be sitting typing about how great the comeback win was and be sitting in the Top 8 instead of 18th.  Absolutely criminal for a prolific striker to not even hit the target / make the keeper save it.  If in doubt , down the middle as almost every keeper dives one way or the other! 
Can't see NC making that call either...his talk of "fine margins" and "the team wins together and loses together" is the usual clichéd managerspeak that we have been listening to for 10 bloody years now.  Will NC be the man to change it in January, let's hope so.  Oh and btw, thanks very much Steven Naismith

[Brick Tamland]

If it was any other player, they would be dropped. 
He had an amazing 23/24 season but has done absolutely phuck all this season that warrants a regular starting position, and that’s what he should be judged on. 
He isn’t captain material and completely shat himself at the penalty, to miss with that margin is ridiculous for a striker in any league never mind a Scottish internationalist. 
He should be dropped, it’s a zero risk dropping him as he’s done zilch this season, 

 

[1971fozzy]

31 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Terrible OP.

 

What were you thinking of, Morgan?

 

My (far too speedy) reaction, mixed with anger, was that he was far, far too casual in his approach to a vital penalty kick.

 

In retrospect, and when the maroon mist lifted, I realise that he probably wouldn’t have done that deliberately.

 

I maintain though, that at the time, he didn’t exactly ‘give it his all’.

 

He should no longer be our Captain, I question if he should start a game for us again until he sorts his head out and, if he doesn’t do that, should be sold to whoever is left that might entertain him, and his wage demands, in the physical condition he is currently in.

 

Very poor thread from me, but who hasn’t ‘lost it’ sometimes in the heat of the moment?

 

 

 

 

 

 

fair play mate. We are all very frustrated at the moment.

[1971fozzy]

4 minutes ago, Brick Tamland said:

If it was any other player, they would be dropped. 
He had an amazing 23/24 season but has done absolutely phuck all this season that warrants a regular starting position, and that’s what he should be judged on. 
He isn’t captain material and completely shat himself at the penalty, to miss with that margin is ridiculous for a striker in any league never mind a Scottish internationalist. 
He should be dropped, it’s a zero risk dropping him as he’s done zilch this season, 

 

unfortunately we have zero other options as Musa wasn’t available tonight.

Ive said it before but it’s all down to that clown Naismith. Unbelievable we never got at least another striker in . He let Tagawa go ffs and never replaced him never mind we needed another in anyway. 
look, nobody could foresee Shanks having this loss of form or whatever but in any case what if he broke his leg ? It was complete incompetence by Naismith and the club as a whole 

[tartofmidlothian]

1 hour ago, 1971fozzy said:

Miss it on purpose ? GTF with that by the way. 
look, he isn’t doing well obviously but that’s a disgraceful accusation. You know what ? Look at the others up the top of the pitch. They are a disgrace. Vargas, Dhanda, Forrest, Spittal etc. not one of the has weighed in. Yet Shanks is the devil. ffs he’s carried us for 2 seasons and now it’s a witch hunt. 
Alot is on him of course but ffs the rest are an embarrassment. Vargas thinks he’s too good for us 🤣🤣 aye right. He is a disgrace right now. I’d be happy to afford him time but his comments are obviously off the scale. 
 

 

I thought Critchley protected him well in his interviews, said it wasn't just on Shankland and then listed every other player who should be getting goals but isn't. He has a point.

[1971fozzy]

Just now, tartofmidlothian said:

 

I thought Critchley protected him well in his interviews, said it wasn't just on Shankland and then listed every other player who should be getting goals but isn't. He has a point.

100% 👍👍

[tartofmidlothian]

37 minutes ago, Morgan said:

Terrible OP.

 

What were you thinking of, Morgan?

 

My (far too speedy) reaction, mixed with anger, was that he was far, far too casual in his approach to a vital penalty kick.

 

In retrospect, and when the maroon mist lifted, I realise that he probably wouldn’t have done that deliberately.

 

I maintain though, that at the time, he didn’t exactly ‘give it his all’.

 

He should no longer be our Captain, I question if he should start a game for us again until he sorts his head out and, if he doesn’t do that, should be sold to whoever is left that might entertain him, and his wage demands, in the physical condition he is currently in.

 

Very poor thread from me, but who hasn’t ‘lost it’ sometimes in the heat of the moment?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair play to you, fronting up about the hasty OP. Many of us have done it in the same circumstances after a poor game.

 

I agree with most everything else you say, though. There's still room for him to turn it round, but there's no room for us to rely just on his goals and give him as much time as he needs to turn it round.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

22 minutes ago, KG1874 said:

100%. I’d start him against Aberdeen and keep him as captain. That’s just me though I get why others think he needs a break.

 

I'd honestly agree if I thought he could come out of the rut

 

But it's stronger than hypnosis IMHO

 

He's cooked through until he leaves

[stirlo]

1 hour ago, Percival King said:

A four page thread (which I'm now part of) on whether the most prolific striker we've had in a generation now deliberately tries to avoid scoring, 6 months out from the end of his contract. So, for the conspiracy theorists on here who believe the whole of Scotttish football is out to get us, we now have the enemy within. Lunacy, madness, bonkers!

 

It's one of the most ridiculous suggestions I've ever seen on Kickback and that's saying something!

 

You can guarantee that no-one is more desperate for Lawrence Shankland to score a goal than Lawrence Shankland. The reason he hit it so high was he clearly felt that the way his luck has been going recently, that was the only way he was going to beat the keeper. But unfortunately he hit it far too high.

 

 

 

[Negan]

He missed it because he is half arsing it.

[Canscot]

4 hours ago, Kirky Jambo said:

Daft OP obviously but you have to question why he was taking it. I genuinely think most of us thought he was going to miss

I know I thought that. 

[KG1874]

14 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

I'd honestly agree if I thought he could come out of the rut

 

But it's stronger than hypnosis IMHO

 

He's cooked through until he leaves

I’ve no doubt he will come good again. He’s got it all except pace, right now he’s struggling and we are struggling watching him but the goals will start to flow again. 

Edited November 29, 2024 by KG1874

[Ricardo Quaresma]

6 minutes ago, KG1874 said:

I’ve no doubt he will come good again. He’s got it all except pace, right now he’s struggling and we are struggling watching him but the goals will start to flow again. 

 

You'd bet relegation and a Euro Exit on that?

[JJ1984]

4 hours ago, Morgan said:

The computer says....

 

 

Perhaps.

Gives an explanation on any logical reason whatsoever why he would miss a penalty on purpose?  

Unless he's signing for the wee Bruges next season there's not one. 

[redjambo]

Since the answers on here are split fairly evenly between Shanks meaning to miss or not, perhaps we should set up a poll on the issue?

[KG1874]

That’s on the squad, if it happens he’s played his part more than the others because he’s captain, but I’m sticking with top 5, euro knockout stage and praying for a Scottish cup win. 
 

meant to quote ricardo don’t know what happened.

Edited November 29, 2024 by KG1874

[redjambo]

Just now, KG1874 said:

That’s on the squad, if it happens he’s played his part more than the others because he’s captain, but I’m sticking with top 5, euro knockout stage and praying for a Scottish cup win. 

 

I'll have what you're having!

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

37 minutes ago, stirlo said:

 

It's one of the most ridiculous suggestions I've ever seen on Kickback and that's saying something!

 

You can guarantee that no-one is more desperate for Lawrence Shankland to score a goal than Lawrence Shankland. The reason he hit it so high was he clearly felt that the way his luck has been going recently, that was the only way he was going to beat the keeper. But unfortunately he hit it far too high.

 

 

 

again spot on

 

a confident striker including shankland would have tried to deceive the keeper and roll it into the other corner and if the goalie guessed right they shrug their shoulders gutted that’s football etc

 

like you say he tried to execute the perfect penalty (not particularly wise either) by placing it where no keeper could save it

 

reminded me of the penalty Harry Kane missed which put england out the World Cup be went for high placing and in his own words (roughly) put extra pace on it and missed the accuracy - shanks looked to try to clip it rather than miss due to the extra pace

 

 

[Victorian]

Was he confident of scoring it?   That is the key question.

 

If you think he was confident then he was entirely right to take both the responsibility and the penalty.

 

If he was not then he had and has no duty or right to take the penalty.   It follows from not being confident that someone else will more likely be more confident,  and more likely to score.   He should appoint someone else.   Not say "who else wants it?",  go and point to someone and tell them they'll stick it away.

 

Not being confident and supposedly taking the responsibility is not a thing.   It's taking the opportunity for your own good.

 

 

[KG1874]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

I'll have what you're having!

You’ll regret it the morra. I know im gonna 😂 only 10 points off 5th though just need to turn it around fast starting way Aberdeen 

[InternationalJambo]

1 hour ago, Ked said:

Rangers don't want him.

He has no resale value.

 

🤦🏻

[Diego10]

Jesus christ this place is mental when we're not winning games

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

Was he confident of scoring it?   That is the key question.

 

If you think he was confident then he was entirely right to take both the responsibility and the penalty.

 

If he was not then he had and has no duty or right to take the penalty.   It follows from not being confident that someone else will more likely be more confident,  and more likely to score.   He should appoint someone else.   Not say "who else wants it?",  go and point to someone and tell them they'll stick it away.

 

Not being confident and supposedly taking the responsibility is not a thing.   It's taking the opportunity for your own good.

 

 

he’s obviously not as confident as usual but probably felt he would score probably felt it was his responsibility

 

I didn’t feel confident on his behalf and hoped spittal would take it

 

had grant been on the pitch he might have grabbed the ball and shanks probably wouldn’t have wrestled it off him

 

had he scored and it somehow opened the floodgates to him scoring again it would have been the right decision

 

dave McPherson missed the first penalty against airdrie in the semi we lost - the media was full of that’s very noble of McPherson as the captain trying to lead by example but he should have never ever taken the first penalty blah blah blah blah criticise criticise etc

 

completely ignorant to the fact that he had taken the first penalty and scored previously in a quarter final against celtic where as it turned out was just about the only player to score and our expected scorers like robbo missed

 

there were major reasons for shanks to take the penalty and major reasons for him not to

 

 

[InternationalJambo]

2 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

he’s obviously not as confident as usual but probably felt he would score probably felt it was his responsibility

 

I didn’t feel confident on his behalf and hoped spittal would take it

 

had grant been on the pitch he might have grabbed the ball and shanks probably wouldn’t have wrestled it off him

 

had he scored and it somehow opened the floodgates to him scoring again it would have been the right decision

 

dave McPherson missed the first penalty against airdrie in the semi we lost - the media was full of that’s very noble of McPherson as the captain trying to lead by example but he should have never ever taken the first penalty blah blah blah blah criticise criticise etc

 

completely ignorant to the fact that he had taken the first penalty and scored previously in a quarter final against celtic where as it turned out was just about the only player to score and our expected scorers like robbo missed

 

there were major reasons for shanks to take the penalty and major reasons for him not to

 

 

He missed. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

8 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said:

He missed. 

yeah so did baggio so did Harry Kane robbo missed plenty

 

in the world of assessing decisions after the event has been completed it was the wrong decision for him to take the penalty

 

critchely should have subbed him a couple of minutes before we got penalty and if spittal then missed the penalty he should have subbed him at the same time as shanks and if penrice then missed the penalty ….

 

critchelys fault

 

 

[InternationalJambo]

1 minute ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

yeah so did baggio so did Harry Kane robbo missed plenty

 

in the world of assessing decisions after the event has been completed it was the wrong decision for him to take the penalty

 

critchely should have subbed him a couple of minutes before we got penalty and if spittal then missed the penalty he should have subbed him at the same time as shanks and if penrice then missed the penalty ….

 

critchelys fault

 

 

He missed. 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

33 minutes ago, KG1874 said:

That’s on the squad, if it happens he’s played his part more than the others because he’s captain, but I’m sticking with top 5, euro knockout stage and praying for a Scottish cup win. 
 

meant to quote ricardo don’t know what happened.

 

I don't think the expectation is anything from those above the manager, not convinced a **** is given at all

[edramone]

If Shanks had tried to miss it on purpose he would have scored, such is his current form.

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

3 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said:

He missed. 

observant of you and as I say it was critchelys fault

 

 

[InternationalJambo]

1 minute ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

observant of you and as I say it was critchelys fault

 

 

Really hope ur trolling😂

[JJ1984]

7 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said:

Really hope ur trolling😂

Coaching staff should be taking the player out the firing line in terms of penalties.   

[HMFC01]

The keeper came off the line.   What's the rule on that nowadays.   No retake because it missed the target? 🥸 

 

I knew he'd miss the target, it was a dead cert.    Still seems like he's been put off by the keeper coming out early. 

[MoncurMacdonaldMercer]

11 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said:

Really hope ur trolling😂

u still in the main square in Bruges mate? I’ve literally got nothing better to do  but I’ll let you enjoy the rest of your trip 😃👍

[InternationalJambo]

7 minutes ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:

u still in the main square in Bruges mate? I’ve literally got nothing better to do  but I’ll let you enjoy the rest of your trip 😃👍

No mate vacated about 10 hours ago. When did I say to you I was there? 😂😬
 

uhohhhhh

Edited November 29, 2024 by InternationalJambo

[HMFC01]

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick

 

1. Procedure

 

The ball must be stationary, with part of the ball touching or overhanging the centre on the penalty mark, and the goalposts, crossbar and goal net must not be moving.

 

The player taking the penalty kick must be clearly identified.

 

The defending goalkeeper must remain on the goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts until the ball is kicked. The goalkeeper must not behave

in a way that unfairly distracts the kicker, e.g. delay the taking of the kick or touch the goalposts, crossbar or goal net.

 

The players other than the kicker and goalkeeper must be:

 

at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the penalty mark

behind the penalty mark

inside the field of play

outside the penalty area

After the players have taken positions in accordance with this Law, the referee signals for the penalty kick to be taken.

 

The player taking the penalty kick must kick the ball forward; backheeling is permitted provided the ball moves forward.

 

When the ball is kicked, the defending goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot touching, in line with, or behind, the goal line.

 

The ball is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves.

 

The kicker must not play the ball again until it has touched another player.

 

The penalty kick is completed when the ball stops moving, goes out of play or the referee stops play for any offence.

 

Additional time is allowed for a penalty kick to be taken and completed at the end of each half of the match or extra time. When additional time is allowed, the penalty kick is completed when, after the kick has been taken, the ball stops moving, goes out of play, is played by any player (including the kicker) other than the defending goalkeeper, or the referee stops play for an offence by the kicker or the kicker's team. If a defending team player (including the goalkeeper) commits an offence and the penalty is missed/sav

ed, the penalty is retaken.

 

He definitely came off his line.   Clearly see it from camera behind the goals.   Nothing from the commentary. 

 

 

[JJ1984]

1 hour ago, Victorian said:

Was he confident of scoring it?   That is the key question.

 

If you think he was confident then he was entirely right to take both the responsibility and the penalty.

 

If he was not then he had and has no duty or right to take the penalty.   It follows from not being confident that someone else will more likely be more confident,  and more likely to score.   He should appoint someone else.   Not say "who else wants it?",  go and point to someone and tell them they'll stick it away.

 

Not being confident and supposedly taking the responsibility is not a thing.   It's taking the opportunity for your own good.

 

 

Or it's showing leadership, as the captain.

 

Guaranteed if he didn't take it and Spittal missed it there would be folk on here ripping Shankland for being a shitebag and demand he's stripped of the captaincy that way. 

 

Management should have decided another taker imo. 

[Pasquale for King]

41 minutes ago, edramone said:

If Shanks had tried to miss it on purpose he would have scored, such is his current form.

Fair point, someone said they were surprised he was actually there, he’s missed everything else bar the plane to Belgium.

[Pasquale for King]

13 minutes ago, HMFC01 said:

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick

 

1. Procedure

 

The ball must be stationary, with part of the ball touching or overhanging the centre on the penalty mark, and the goalposts, crossbar and goal net must not be moving.

 

The player taking the penalty kick must be clearly identified.

 

The defending goalkeeper must remain on the goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts until the ball is kicked. The goalkeeper must not behave

in a way that unfairly distracts the kicker, e.g. delay the taking of the kick or touch the goalposts, crossbar or goal net.

 

The players other than the kicker and goalkeeper must be:

 

at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the penalty mark

behind the penalty mark

inside the field of play

outside the penalty area

After the players have taken positions in accordance with this Law, the referee signals for the penalty kick to be taken.

 

The player taking the penalty kick must kick the ball forward; backheeling is permitted provided the ball moves forward.

 

When the ball is kicked, the defending goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot touching, in line with, or behind, the goal line.

 

The ball is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves.

 

The kicker must not play the ball again until it has touched another player.

 

The penalty kick is completed when the ball stops moving, goes out of play or the referee stops play for any offence.

 

Additional time is allowed for a penalty kick to be taken and completed at the end of each half of the match or extra time. When additional time is allowed, the penalty kick is completed when, after the kick has been taken, the ball stops moving, goes out of play, is played by any player (including the kicker) other than the defending goalkeeper, or the referee stops play for an offence by the kicker or the kicker's team. If a defending team player (including the goalkeeper) commits an offence and the penalty is missed/sav

ed, the penalty is retaken.

 

He definitely came off his line.   Clearly see it from camera behind the goals.   Nothing from the commentary. 

 

 

Yeah noticed that on the highlights, officials were poor as the hand ball was clear as day, it was never a corner for their 2nd and the number 18 must’ve had 6 fouls including the same thing Kent was booked for. 

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

No 

[pettigrewsstylist]

Manager bottled it. Doesn't bode well.

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

18 minutes ago, pettigrewsstylist said:

Manager bottled it. Doesn't bode well.

How did the manager bottle it?

[Dazo]

5 hours ago, JJ1984 said:

Or it's showing leadership, as the captain.

 

Guaranteed if he didn't take it and Spittal missed it there would be folk on here ripping Shankland for being a shitebag and demand he's stripped of the captaincy that way. 

 

Management should have decided another taker imo. 

Completely agree. He needed a goal and I’m sure he fancied himself to score. To actually miss the target shows where he is mentally though and if he personally wasn’t aware he sure as hell will be now. It’s a tough call but the manager would be better looking after him by taking him out of the team, not persisting with him imo. 

[Victorian]

7 hours ago, JJ1984 said:

Or it's showing leadership, as the captain.

 

Guaranteed if he didn't take it and Spittal missed it there would be folk on here ripping Shankland for being a shitebag and demand he's stripped of the captaincy that way. 

 

Management should have decided another taker imo. 

 

No and yes.   Taking responsibility and showing leadership is the same thing.   

 

If he wasn't confident then the strong thing is to put someone else up.   If the other guy misses and the captain takes stick for not stepping up then it means nothing.   The player is nothing,  the team is everything.   He would be taking responsibility of the situation and being strong enough to accept any stick coming his way.   That's a strong leader.