ollie2004 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 38 minutes ago, DesertDawg said: "CELTIC winger Yang Hyun-Jun has learned his appeal fate following his red card at Hearts - and it's understood the Hoops have been left ASTONISHED by the outcome. Referee Don Robertson upgraded his original yellow card to red on the advice of John Beaton on VAR after the South Korean winger caught the Jambos' Alex Cochrane in the face with a high boot during the Hoops' 2-0 defeat at Tynecastle on Sunday." The only reason for them to be "ASTONISHED" is because, for once, the decision went against them. Even Chris Sutton agrees reluctantly with the off field decisions. He also said Hearts were hard done by with their pen as he felt that the Celtic player fouled Cochrane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyBeach Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 On 06/03/2024 at 00:30, Watt-Zeefuik said: WTF, indeed. The red card hinges on whether there was “serious foul play”. This is defined as a challenge that “endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force”. In my view, it’s debatable whether the raised boot endangered Cochrane who saw it and turned his head away. If you look at the incident you clearly see the Celtic player only has eyes for the ball and sees Cochrane late. That said, he could and should have pulled out when he becomes aware of Cochrane rushing in to challenge. I think Yang therefore is certainly guilty of reckless play which is certainly a cautionable offence (which was the decision of the match ref). Given Yang was leaning backwards in attempting to control the ball, there is no significant forward momentum from him so any charge of “excessive force” doesn’t stack up. So, I’m with the likes of Neil McCann - it’s not a red card offence. You need to consider the bigger picture here. We saw when Craig Levein’s Dundee United team got stitched-up by McCurry at Ibrox, and how we got stiffed at Tynecastle by Andy Davis, that when Rangers/Sevco need a result, there’s an obliging official willing to lend a hand. I’m delighted we beat Celtic, but let’s not blind ourselves to this latest example of a match official attempting to subvert a match result in favour of Rangers/Sevco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 16 minutes ago, PortyBeach said: WTF, indeed. The red card hinges on whether there was “serious foul play”. This is defined as a challenge that “endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force”. In my view, it’s debatable whether the raised boot endangered Cochrane who saw it and turned his head away. If you look at the incident you clearly see the Celtic player only has eyes for the ball and sees Cochrane late. That said, he could and should have pulled out when he becomes aware of Cochrane rushing in to challenge. I think Yang therefore is certainly guilty of reckless play which is certainly a cautionable offence (which was the decision of the match ref). Given Yang was leaning backwards in attempting to control the ball, there is no significant forward momentum from him so any charge of “excessive force” doesn’t stack up. So, I’m with the likes of Neil McCann - it’s not a red card offence. You need to consider the bigger picture here. We saw when Craig Levein’s Dundee United team got stitched-up by McCurry at Ibrox, and how we got stiffed at Tynecastle by Andy Davis, that when Rangers/Sevco need a result, there’s an obliging official willing to lend a hand. I’m delighted we beat Celtic, but let’s not blind ourselves to this latest example of a match official attempting to subvert a match result in favour of Rangers/Sevco. 😀😀 bloody hell, you should be on kerrydale Street where they welcome paranoia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 25 minutes ago, PortyBeach said: WTF, indeed. The red card hinges on whether there was “serious foul play”. This is defined as a challenge that “endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force”. In my view, it’s debatable whether the raised boot endangered Cochrane who saw it and turned his head away. If you look at the incident you clearly see the Celtic player only has eyes for the ball and sees Cochrane late. That said, he could and should have pulled out when he becomes aware of Cochrane rushing in to challenge. I think Yang therefore is certainly guilty of reckless play which is certainly a cautionable offence (which was the decision of the match ref). Given Yang was leaning backwards in attempting to control the ball, there is no significant forward momentum from him so any charge of “excessive force” doesn’t stack up. So, I’m with the likes of Neil McCann - it’s not a red card offence. You need to consider the bigger picture here. We saw when Craig Levein’s Dundee United team got stitched-up by McCurry at Ibrox, and how we got stiffed at Tynecastle by Andy Davis, that when Rangers/Sevco need a result, there’s an obliging official willing to lend a hand. I’m delighted we beat Celtic, but let’s not blind ourselves to this latest example of a match official attempting to subvert a match result in favour of Rangers/Sevco. It was a Red card, simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 26 minutes ago, PortyBeach said: In my view, it’s debatable whether the raised boot endangered Cochrane who saw it and turned his head away. Studs up at head height with a player running towards you is clearly, unequivocally, endangering an opponent and a straight red card. No need for conspiracies. And as for Yang seeing Cochrane late! If he didn't know Cochrane was coming, why didn't he just wait for the ball to land? Brenda told us he was trying to flick it over Cochrane's head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 58 minutes ago, PortyBeach said: WTF, indeed. The red card hinges on whether there was “serious foul play”. This is defined as a challenge that “endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force”. In my view, it’s debatable whether the raised boot endangered Cochrane who saw it and turned his head away. If you look at the incident you clearly see the Celtic player only has eyes for the ball and sees Cochrane late. That said, he could and should have pulled out when he becomes aware of Cochrane rushing in to challenge. I think Yang therefore is certainly guilty of reckless play which is certainly a cautionable offence (which was the decision of the match ref). Given Yang was leaning backwards in attempting to control the ball, there is no significant forward momentum from him so any charge of “excessive force” doesn’t stack up. So, I’m with the likes of Neil McCann - it’s not a red card offence. You need to consider the bigger picture here. We saw when Craig Levein’s Dundee United team got stitched-up by McCurry at Ibrox, and how we got stiffed at Tynecastle by Andy Davis, that when Rangers/Sevco need a result, there’s an obliging official willing to lend a hand. I’m delighted we beat Celtic, but let’s not blind ourselves to this latest example of a match official attempting to subvert a match result in favour of Rangers/Sevco. Sorry this is all rubbish. It's very straightforward, and as I mentioned above, it's something I was taught back in the early 80s in youth football. A high kick is a dangerous play if you do it near another player. You don't go for a high kick if you're near another player, and if you hit them, it's on you. Look, here's the text from the IFAB Laws of the Game. Quote Serious foul play A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play. Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play. Putting your studs near someone else's face endangers the safety of an opponent. It doesn't matter if you actually injure the opponent, what matters is if you make a move that *could* injure them. And a high kick with the studs out is that. Stop making this complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: Sorry this is all rubbish. It's very straightforward, and as I mentioned above, it's something I was taught back in the early 80s in youth football. A high kick is a dangerous play if you do it near another player. You don't go for a high kick if you're near another player, and if you hit them, it's on you. Look, here's the text from the IFAB Laws of the Game. Putting your studs near someone else's face endangers the safety of an opponent. It doesn't matter if you actually injure the opponent, what matters is if you make a move that *could* injure them. And a high kick with the studs out is that. Stop making this complicated. yep. It’s why they admitted they got it wrong when Boyce was kicked high on the chest. they got it correct in the Celtic game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, PortyBeach said: WTF, indeed. The red card hinges on whether there was “serious foul play”. This is defined as a challenge that “endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force”. In my view, it’s debatable whether the raised boot endangered Cochrane who saw it and turned his head away. If you look at the incident you clearly see the Celtic player only has eyes for the ball and sees Cochrane late. That said, he could and should have pulled out when he becomes aware of Cochrane rushing in to challenge. I think Yang therefore is certainly guilty of reckless play which is certainly a cautionable offence (which was the decision of the match ref). Given Yang was leaning backwards in attempting to control the ball, there is no significant forward momentum from him so any charge of “excessive force” doesn’t stack up. So, I’m with the likes of Neil McCann - it’s not a red card offence. You need to consider the bigger picture here. We saw when Craig Levein’s Dundee United team got stitched-up by McCurry at Ibrox, and how we got stiffed at Tynecastle by Andy Davis, that when Rangers/Sevco need a result, there’s an obliging official willing to lend a hand. I’m delighted we beat Celtic, but let’s not blind ourselves to this latest example of a match official attempting to subvert a match result in favour of Rangers/Sevco. What a steaming pile of shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyBeach Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 hours ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said: What a steaming pile of shite. Thanks for your insightful and forensic analysis…🤦♂️🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyBeach Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 hours ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: Sorry this is all rubbish. It's very straightforward, and as I mentioned above, it's something I was taught back in the early 80s in youth football. A high kick is a dangerous play if you do it near another player. You don't go for a high kick if you're near another player, and if you hit them, it's on you. Look, here's the text from the IFAB Laws of the Game. Putting your studs near someone else's face endangers the safety of an opponent. It doesn't matter if you actually injure the opponent, what matters is if you make a move that *could* injure them. And a high kick with the studs out is that. Stop making this complicated. I’m not making it complicated. Yang made a move for the ball before Cochrane appeared on the scene. As I’ve said, once he became aware of Cochrane, Yang could - and should - have pulled out. His failure to do so constituted reckless play in my view - that’s a yellow card offence, and the match ref agreed. The motives behind the overturning of the match ref’s decision is the real point at issue here. But that’s where it becomes “cute” decision-making. Beaton and his ilk will always choose situations where there’s room for interpretation - and of course ensure their “interpretation” favours the Ibrox franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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