Would you have confidence in board getting next managerial appointment right.

[Star Lizard]

6 minutes ago, Bad Religion said:

 

There was no mention of style of play in my post or was there any reference to Stendel or Naismith. 

 

 

No but the metrics of personality or charisma are and were used to bash previous managers , along with boring football ect . Usually to the managers that actually had better win ratios than the characters and personalities who had very poor win ratios . The Hibs reference is because this is something they use as a comfort blanket for their abysmal derby record vs us . At least they played the game the way it was supposed to be played , flair , free flowing , losing football . People seem willing to ignore Stendel or Naismiths poor results because they have a bit of a personality ………….. not for me that 

[Bazzas right boot]

11 hours ago, Spellczech said:

I find it worrying that every time we have a vacancy we get a load of "great applications" - then seem to make the wrong decision every single time...

 

There weren't great applicants last time.

" underwhelmed" iirc was the phrase used.

Only in jkb fantasies were there great applicants.

[Star Lizard]

1 minute ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

There weren't great applicants last time.

" underwhelmed" iirc was the phrase used.

Only in jkb fantasies were there great applicants.

That makes it sound as though we stuck an advert in the main stand window and the local post office . There are ways of ensuring you have better candidates for jobs but it has to come from the club and it has to be a positive and pro active process 

[Deviskan]

6 minutes ago, Sooks said:

That makes it sound as though we stuck an advert in the main stand window and the local post office . There are ways of ensuring you have better candidates for jobs but it has to come from the club and it has to be a positive and pro active process 

Which if it was a jobs for the boys nepotism approach the Board took…which appears likely, then they were simply going through the motions re looking for applicants to comply with HR regulations, with no real intention of hiring anyone from outside the club.

 

So I’m not surprised if there were no quality applicants previously.

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, Sooks said:

That makes it sound as though we stuck an advert in the main stand window and the local post office . There are ways of ensuring you have better candidates for jobs but it has to come from the club and it has to be a positive and pro active process 

 

It's common sense.

We have very limited attraction.

 

Folk really need to start there, we are fishing in the English league 1 or 2 market and same market as hibs and Aberdeen.

 

This mystery foreign chap dieing to move country, who is experienced, has a good record, plays all out attacking football and isn't scared of the uglies doesn't exist within our budget.

He just doesn't.

 

Folk can believe we are a great draw, but the reality is we aren't.

Scotland and Hearts - best we can do is 3rd, maybe get lucky in a cup, if you drop to 4th you're done.

Even from a domestic point of view, it's a hard gig that probably pays a little more than most other clubs and is on par with the lower leagues of England- why bother, lots of clubs out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bad Religion]

10 minutes ago, Sooks said:

No but the metrics of personality or charisma are and were used to bash previous managers , along with boring football ect . Usually to the managers that actually had better win ratios than the characters and personalities who had very poor win ratios . The Hibs reference is because this is something they use as a comfort blanket for their abysmal derby record vs us . At least they played the game the way it was supposed to be played , flair , free flowing , losing football . People seem willing to ignore Stendel or Naismiths poor results because they have a bit of a personality ………….. not for me that 

 

 Can you quote a single example of this please? 

[Star Lizard]

3 minutes ago, Bad Religion said:

 

 Can you quote a single example of this please? 

it would mean trawling through hundreds of threads to find random posts , so nah . There are plenty posts that make up excuses for their shit performances though , and claim to see a style that although not one that picks up points , is one that entertains . More often than not aligned with a personality critique of the manager compared to a more successful one . I know you have read these same posts as I have seen your avatar on those threads . I just prefer substance over style when it comes to Hearts 

[bigdav]

25 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

There weren't great applicants last time.

" underwhelmed" iirc was the phrase used.

Only in jkb fantasies were there great applicants.

Whether you class him as a great applicant or not supposedly Chris Wilder applied and Hearts never even responded to him.

[Bad Religion]

4 minutes ago, Sooks said:

it would mean trawling through hundreds of threads to find random posts , so nah . There are plenty posts that make up excuses for their shit performances though , and claim to see a style that although not one that picks up points , is one that entertains . More often than not aligned with a personality critique of the manager compared to a more successful one . I know you have read these same posts as I have seen your avatar on those threads . I just prefer substance over style when it comes to Hearts 

 

So they don't exist and you made it up.

[Star Lizard]

10 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

It's common sense.

We have very limited attraction.

 

Folk really need to start there, we are fishing in the English league 1 or 2 market and same market as hibs and Aberdeen.

 

This mystery foreign chap dieing to move country, who is experienced, has a good record, plays all out attacking football and isn't scared of the uglies doesn't exist within our budget.

He just doesn't.

 

Folk can believe we are a great draw, but the reality is we aren't.

Scotland and Hearts - best we can do is 3rd, maybe get lucky in a cup, if you drop to 4th you're done.

Even from a domestic point of view, it's a hard gig that probably pays a little more than most other clubs and is on par with the lower leagues of England- why bother, lots of clubs out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a shame that this is what you think . I certainly hope people at the club have more imagination and promotion skills  

 

You could get a job at Hibs though . Social media PR manager or something 

[Star Lizard]

Just now, Bad Religion said:

 

So they don't exist and you made it up.

Nah , you know they do as much as I do . ****ed if I am going to trawl over search function though

[Bazzas right boot]

5 minutes ago, Sooks said:

It is a shame that this is what you think . I certainly hope people at the club have more imagination and promotion skills  

 

You could get a job at Hibs though . Social media PR manager or something 

 

Just pragmatic and aware of our global reputation  and financial pull.

 

However,  I understand that for some it's easier to ignore that and chuck insults about.

 

 

 

[Star Lizard]

8 minutes ago, bigdav said:

Whether you class him as a great applicant or not supposedly Chris Wilder applied and Hearts never even responded to him.

The club was probably too embarrassed due to our “ very limited attraction “ and did not want him to discover this if he came here in person 

[We_are_the_Hearts]

Billy Davies called it years ago, and still a shambles. Jobs for the boys

[Bad Religion]

Just now, Sooks said:

Nah , you know they do as much as I do . ****ed if I am going to trawl over search function though

 

People were obviously tired of Bobs negative, overly cautious approach, especially at home which is possibly the cause of your confusion? However, I don't recall anyone insisting on style over results. 

[Star Lizard]

Just now, Bazzas right boot said:

 

Just pragmatic and aware of our global reputation  and financial pull.

 

However,  I understand that for some it's easier to ignore that and chuck insults about.

 

 

 

I actually think it tells me a fair bit about you . I understand you feeling that way , but I understand it as an externalised inner perception , and I am happy not to share it . It is not pragmatism it is a sort of cringe 

[Star Lizard]

1 minute ago, Bad Religion said:

 

People were obviously tired of Bobs negative, overly cautious approach, especially at home which is possibly the cause of your confusion? However, I don't recall anyone insisting on style over results. 

There was a really big one dragged behind a plane at one point 

[Go for it 1308]

39 minutes ago, Sooks said:

No but the metrics of personality or charisma are and were used to bash previous managers , along with boring football ect . Usually to the managers that actually had better win ratios than the characters and personalities who had very poor win ratios . The Hibs reference is because this is something they use as a comfort blanket for their abysmal derby record vs us . At least they played the game the way it was supposed to be played , flair , free flowing , losing football . People seem willing to ignore Stendel or Naismiths poor results because they have a bit of a personality ………….. not for me that 

Sorry...but anyone using the word 'flair' in connection with hibs and by doing that continuing that age old myth should face an automatic ban from this forum

[Go for it 1308]

2 minutes ago, Go for it 1308 said:

Sorry...but anyone using the word 'flair' in connection with hibs and by doing that continuing that age old myth should face an automatic ban from this forum

Ps...I know you were being sarcastic 😂

[Star Lizard]

2 minutes ago, Go for it 1308 said:

Sorry...but anyone using the word 'flair' in connection with hibs and by doing that continuing that age old myth should face an automatic ban from this forum

Anyone that adopts their deluded mantra towards it certainly should 

[Ribble]

Voted Yes for two reasons, one simply they cannot get the next appointment wrong or they will be out on their ears so there will be no experiment/giving someone a chance etc etc and secondly I think this time around the board will leave it to Savage who was seemingly overruled on Cifuentes in favour of the Boards pick, Naismith.

[Go for it 1308]

2 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Anyone that adopts their deluded mantra towards it certainly should 

👍

[chrisyboy7]

So much bickering on here ffs. Time to chill...we as fans are getting short changed...when they appointed Naismith that said what there ambition was. Zero.

[Bad Religion]

3 minutes ago, Sooks said:

There was a really big one dragged behind a plane at one point 

 

Haha, ok fair enough. 

 

99.9% of fans though want results first. 

[i8hibsh]

2 minutes ago, chrisyboy7 said:

So much bickering on here ffs. Time to chill...we as fans are getting short changed...when they appointed Naismith that said what there ambition was. Zero.

 

 

The 'footballing side of the business' is just one big fat inconvenience to our board.

[karipidis]

21 minutes ago, Sooks said:

It is a shame that this is what you think . I certainly hope people at the club have more imagination and promotion skills  

 

You could get a job at Hibs though . Social media PR manager or something 

In fairness, he does have a point. Where is the real attraction for someone outside Scottish football? Who was the last manager at Hearts, Hibs or Aberdeen who moved on to a bigger and better job? You are on a hiding to nothing really, as it is near impossible to exceed the fans expectations. 

[sac]

The board uses Kickback, to do the selection process, so definitely not.

[Taffin]

57 minutes ago, Sooks said:

No but the metrics of personality or charisma are and were used to bash previous managers , along with boring football ect . Usually to the managers that actually had better win ratios than the characters and personalities who had very poor win ratios . The Hibs reference is because this is something they use as a comfort blanket for their abysmal derby record vs us . At least they played the game the way it was supposed to be played , flair , free flowing , losing football . People seem willing to ignore Stendel or Naismiths poor results because they have a bit of a personality ………….. not for me that 

 

I'll be honest I had a lot more time for Stendel than I should have done based on that alone. That said, I felt he was poorly treated and when you take to someone's personality you tend to side with them when it comes to criticism.

 

It's a really good point you make, imo.

 

I find Naismith as dull as Neilson though personally. 

[Taffin]

1 hour ago, Sooks said:

That makes it sound as though we stuck an advert in the main stand window and the local post office . There are ways of ensuring you have better candidates for jobs but it has to come from the club and it has to be a positive and pro active process 

 

Totally agree. I don't buy the idea we can only attract underwhelming candidates. Even if it were true, why would you then appoint surely an even more underwhelming of the lot on paper?

 

Based on the coefficient we're in the top 200 clubs in Europe, get reasonable TV exposure, play in European competition, based in a top Capital city, have decent finances and a good stadium. Even if you say we cannot attract one of the top 200 managers, is 201 really a youth coach without his badges?

Edited November 8, 2023 by Taffin

[gordon simpson]

no worries about the board my worries for our club, is the amount of neurotic bams who go into sack everyone mode after every bad result . Look at the tims result last night for example of what money brings to bigger clubs   bet their bams will be screaming sack everyone .

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

10 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Totally agree. I don't buy the idea we can only attract underwhelming candidates. Even if it were true, why would you then appoint surely an even more underwhelming of the lot on paper?

 

Based on the coefficient we're in the top 200 clubs in Europe, get reasonable TV exposure, play in European competition, based in a top Capital city, have decent finances and a good stadium. Even if you say we cannot attract one of the top 200 managers, is 201 really a youth coach without his badges?

100% we can attract decent manager ! Stevie Clarke went to kilmarnock. Neil Lennon went to Hibs , Owen Coyle went to queen's Park, just 3 examples of clubs showing a bit of ambition 

[Bad Religion]

1 minute ago, gordon simpson said:

no worries about the board my worries for our club, is the amount of neurotic bams who go into sack everyone mode after every bad result . Look at the tims result last night for example of what money brings to bigger clubs   bet their bams will be screaming sack everyone .

 

We've won 8 or 9 league games this year ffs.

[i8hibsh]

Celtic lose top teams like Atletico Madrid.  We lose to newly promoted Dundee ffs.  Hardly comparable.

Edited November 8, 2023 by i8hibsh

[briever]

7 minutes ago, gordon simpson said:

no worries about the board my worries for our club, is the amount of neurotic bams who go into sack everyone mode after every bad result . Look at the tims result last night for example of what money brings to bigger clubs   bet their bams will be screaming sack everyone .

 

You enjoying 2023 following Hearts are you?

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

9 minutes ago, gordon simpson said:

no worries about the board my worries for our club, is the amount of neurotic bams who go into sack everyone mode after every bad result . Look at the tims result last night for example of what money brings to bigger clubs   bet their bams will be screaming sack everyone .

Just like some bams accept mediocrity eh!

[The Old Tolbooth]

12 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

 

To answer your question-

 

She's won CEO of the year and the Edinburgh award- while running a football club.

She Is a millionaire, saved and owned the club she supported and has a Yacht named "Queen of Hearts"

 

Then there is You and many  others handing out business advice and spouting shite about running a football club- you lot think putting your pants on correctly and not missing the toilet bowl while pissing are achievements.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet more unadulterated pish from you, you outdo yourself every time son, well done  

[Selkirkhmfc1874]

1 minute ago, The Old Tolbooth said:

 

Yet more unadulterated pish from you, you outdo yourself every time son, well done  

She wouldn't put a yts experiment in top job of her business when it was her money that was at stake that's for sure 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

No faith in anyone, fans, players, FoH, board or coaching staff.

 

Hearts are falling apart, imploding, bursting to be something and going the other way as a result

[Star Lizard]

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

I'll be honest I had a lot more time for Stendel than I should have done based on that alone. That said, I felt he was poorly treated and when you take to someone's personality you tend to side with them when it comes to criticism.

 

It's a really good point you make, imo.

 

I find Naismith as dull as Neilson though personally. 

 

Yeah it is definitely a thing . Personally the only thing I care about is results 

 

1 hour ago, Taffin said:

 

Totally agree. I don't buy the idea we can only attract underwhelming candidates. Even if it were true, why would you then appoint surely an even more underwhelming of the lot on paper?

 

Based on the coefficient we're in the top 200 clubs in Europe, get reasonable TV exposure, play in European competition, based in a top Capital city, have decent finances and a good stadium. Even if you say we cannot attract one of the top 200 managers, is 201 really a youth coach without his badges?

No no no , we have very limited attraction 

[Deviskan]

1 hour ago, Bad Religion said:

 

We've won 8 or 9 league games this year ffs.

It’s hard noticing that, when your head is rammed SO deep in the sand.

[Deviskan]

12 minutes ago, Sooks said:

 

Yeah it is definitely a thing . Personally the only thing I care about is results 

 

No no no , we have very limited attraction 

Guess that’s the reason certain fans could be swayed by the flair on offer down Leith, to the point they actively want them to win the Scottish Cup.

[Bull's-eye]

1 hour ago, briever said:

 

You enjoying 2023 following Hearts are you?

 

Got to be honest, i had a brilliant day out on Sunday, probably the best day supporting Hearts for a few years.

 

Actually really enjoying this season so far.

[Dazo]

3 minutes ago, Deviskan said:

Guess that’s the reason certain fans could be swayed by the flair on offer down Leith, to the point they actively want them to win the Scottish Cup.

 

[Deviskan]

1 minute ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

Got to be honest, i had a brilliant day out on Sunday, probably the best day supporting Hearts for a few years.

 

Actually really enjoying this season so far.

A brilliant day out watching us get pumped?

 

Sounds to me like the days more important to you than the actual football.

[Star Lizard]

1 minute ago, Deviskan said:

Guess that’s the reason certain fans could be swayed by the flair on offer down Leith, to the point they actively want them to win the Scottish Cup.

I try not to join in that particular pile up since I learned what it was all about . Not a position I would have taken , but I suppose that is down to individuals . I would say that it suggests a level of affection and ambition that is different to my own , but I would be reluctant to go further than that . I do not know the guy , I just find his view of the club we both support a little sad 

[Deviskan]

1 minute ago, Sooks said:

I try not to join in that particular pile up since I learned what it was all about . Not a position I would have taken , but I suppose that is down to individuals . I would say that it suggests a level of affection and ambition that is different to my own , but I would be reluctant to go further than that . I do not know the guy , I just find his view of the club we both support a little sad 

Oh I understand our position in world football, but that doesn’t mean I become some sort of subservient confidence drained lickspittle that’s happy to accept anything we can get.

[Bull's-eye]

4 minutes ago, Deviskan said:

A brilliant day out watching us get pumped?

 

Sounds to me like the days more important to you than the actual football.

 

Its all about balance, grown up thinking.

More to life than losing my mind over something I have no control over.

 

 

[Deviskan]

Just now, Bull's-eye said:

 

Its all about balance, grown up thinking.

More to life than losing my mind over something I have no control over.

 

 

 
Grown up thinking?

 

So you’re saying only mature people like yourself, that can see past the absolute futility of trying to win football games…and instead enjoy the finer things in life like getting pished in a Glasgow pub is what matters rather than our team winning?

 

Quality stuff, you should message the club and just tell them to not worry about anything…in fact, who cares what division we even play in, as long as we can all just have a nice day out it really doesn’t matter.

 

 

[Star Lizard]

4 minutes ago, Deviskan said:

Oh I understand our position in world football, but that doesn’t mean I become some sort of subservient confidence drained lickspittle that’s happy to accept anything we can get.

Yes me too . I can accept that we are not a juggernaut of world football , and at the same time want us to be as good as we possibly can be 

 

1 minute ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

Its all about balance, grown up thinking.

More to life than losing my mind over something I have no control over.

 

 

It is two separate things for me . I had a right good time on Sunday as well . I thought we were pretty decent in the first half too , and I am reluctant to give Naismith too much shit because the last three games we have improved . I will always enjoy the day out and I do not think there is any harm in that . That does not stop me wanting to see the team be as good as it possibly can be too 

[Taffin]

16 minutes ago, Deviskan said:

A brilliant day out watching us get pumped?

 

Sounds to me like the days more important to you than the actual football.

 

In fairness there's probably something to be said for that.

 

I view the Romanov years as the best I've experienced. A lot of them were dross, real rubbish served up. I enjoyed it as it was the period of my life where my dad got us season tickets, so I loved it. It was going to Tynecastle and feeling part of it. Despite being a Lithuanian Oligarch, Romanov somehow made me feel part of something and took me on a journey.

 

Now I live far away and don't get along often it's all about the football really for me...and evidently it's not great.

 

I do think there's something there though that the club could be better at. I don't think they take people of their journey though and instead can give off the impression that the fans (and the football) are as much a hindrance to running a business as they are integral. It can leave you feeling alienated and not part of something. FOH were the opposite to begin with, I feel they've become the same. The current leaders at times give the impression they're better than us and we should be grateful to be graced by their presence at the club.

 

I know many will disagree but personally, all too often under the current regime I've found myself thinking "it says nothing to me about my life". If too many feel that way we do end up at "hang the dj".

Edited November 8, 2023 by Taffin