Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, wavydavy said: Their movement unfortunately is way too quick for most of our players. We can live in hope though. Agreed, but some of ours are quicker upstairs and downstairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Jamie Borthwick saying Shankland didn’t train today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: There is no reason our players shouldn’t be as fit as any others really, what’s stopping them? What a daft question to ask? What's stopping anyone from being as fit as a top athletic? Answer that and you have your answer, and there are lots of reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidigits Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Leaving all other comparisons between the teams aside just now I'd love it if most of our team could just run a bit faster than most of their team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: What a daft question to ask? What's stopping anyone from being as fit as a top athletic? Answer that and you have your answer, and there are lots of reasons. Can you name one of the ‘lots’ of reasons why we, on the face of it, don’t appear to be as fit as some other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Chimp said: Gino fit for tomorrow, thank feck. Hope he lasts the majority of the game though as he's quite susceptible to wee knock. Key part of our side and we'll need another big performance from him! Hope at Tynie, with confidence from Wed, he runs at them. Guess it depends where he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGwash Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Can you name one of the ‘lots’ of reasons why we, on the face of it, don’t appear to be as fit as some other teams. The number of late goals we have scored this season would suggest that we are as fit as most teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: There is no reason our players shouldn’t be as fit as any others really, what’s stopping them? Genetics? And access to higher quality nutrition and sports science? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rampant said: Genetics? And access to higher quality nutrition and sports science? Neilson’s side last time he was in charge were as fit as any side in Scotland. Imo, of course. Edited March 10, 2023 by GinRummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Rampant said: Genetics? And access to higher quality nutrition and sports science? I would say football players un general are from the same gene pool wouldnt you? Top class athletes as youngsters dont usually go into football. No football team should have better nutrition or sports science than us should they? We advertised for a professional nutritionist two months ago, hopefully the bacon rolls before and Chicken nuggets after games have been binned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, GinRummy said: Neilson’s side last time he was in charge were as fit as any side in Scotland. Imo, of course. Three or four training sessions a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 45 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Can you name one of the ‘lots’ of reasons why we, on the face of it, don’t appear to be as fit as some other teams. No idea how you've reached the conclusion we don't appear as fit as other teams. If I have to explain why our players aren't as good athletes as better athletes then you are beyond my help. Way beyond my help. Although, Maybe it's all the bacon rolls and chicken nuggets we are shovelling down the players throats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, HoGwash said: The number of late goals we have scored this season would suggest that we are as fit as most teams. Yip. Getting points with 10 men as well. Nothing suggests we aren't fit. It's made up shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: I would say football players un general are from the same gene pool wouldnt you? Top class athletes as youngsters dont usually go into football. No football team should have better nutrition or sports science than us should they? We advertised for a professional nutritionist two months ago, hopefully the bacon rolls before and Chicken nuggets after games have been binned. Everyone's from the same gene pool. Some people will have certain genes from that pool however that increase their likelihood of being better athletes. And having genes that make a player a better athlete will help them to be better footballers. And those better footballers will cost more and play for better teams. A gene for increased fitness works just like a gene height. Nutrition will play a part in someone's growth, so even if we do accept your point that Hearts' sport science should be equal to any other club in the world, we'll still have players who might have a genetic height advantage that will make them better at certain aspects of football. They may well be worse at other aspects of football, as there will be a trade-off, hence why football teams aren't filled with marathon runners as their investment in being immensely fit holds them back in other physical attributes. Granted, in that regard footballers are all of a more similar 'gene pool' but even within a starting 11 you'll want different attributes. I wouldn't expect a centre-back to have the same level of fitness as a wing-back. And I wouldn't expect a Hearts centre-back to have the same level of fitness as a Celtic centre-back, at least not without compromising on other attributes that would lead them to not being a centre-back Hearts should be employing. To take it to another extreme, if footballers are all of the same ilk and for the most part should all have access to the same level of nutrition and sports science as the top clubs, why isn't every player in the SPFL at the same level of fitness as peak Cristiano Ronaldo? There's inherently something in Ronaldo that allows him to be fitter than most. And the other aspect that makes him fitter is of course his dedication to being as fit as possible. That drive and determination he has is something worth paying for. If my employer expected me to improve in an aspect at my job, they would have to provide training and support to allow me to achieve that, which would cost them money. If they expected me to do it of my own accord, they would have to pay me more to do it. I would probably decline. I don't want to be a Ronaldo, I'm quite content being a Barrie McKay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Three or four training sessions a day. Not convinced that our players are as a fit as OF. Surely you have forgotten last years cup final when our players were run ragged by Rankers in extra time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, OldGorgie said: Not convinced that our players are as a fit as OF. Surely you have forgotten last years cup final when our players were run ragged by Rankers in extra time. The big difference is the Old Firm can bring on 5 players of real quality to freshen things up so it's not all about fitness, but squad quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: Yip. Getting points with 10 men as well. Nothing suggests we aren't fit. It's made up shite. I tried to find some statistics on distance covered to see if we are covering less ground. That to me would be a key indicator of how fit we are, but not a perfect stat. I struggled to find such but I'm sure other posters are more savvy or even have wyscout access. The ones I could find, things like interceptions, dribbles, don't paint a picture of being any less fit than other teams. We're also one of the most fouled teams which would suggest other teams especially don't like us or we play the game at a pace above our opposition. Fitness seems like a really hard thing to pin down to one or two metrics, but those saying we are unfit need to provide a bit more than simply it "appearing" to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire_At_The_Disco Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I’ve got the covid☹️ Just tested when I came in from work as I felt a bit off. I now have a decision to make, do I just go if I feel okay or do I patch it and watch on TV. 🤷🏻♂️ Fancy us to beat they rats too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rampant said: I tried to find some statistics on distance covered to see if we are covering less ground. That to me would be a key indicator of how fit we are, but not a perfect stat. I struggled to find such but I'm sure other posters are more savvy or even have wyscout access. The ones I could find, things like interceptions, dribbles, don't paint a picture of being any less fit than other teams. We're also one of the most fouled teams which would suggest other teams especially don't like us or we play the game at a pace above our opposition. Fitness seems like a really hard thing to pin down to one or two metrics, but those saying we are unfit need to provide a bit more than simply it "appearing" to be the case. I tried the same, couldn't find it for Scottish players or teams. Even that isn't great, running about daft doesn't equate to a better or fitter player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, ramrod said: The big difference is the Old Firm can bring on 5 players of real quality to freshen things up so it's not all about fitness, but squad quality. Granted but a good number of Rankers players in extra time had started the game. Our players looked knackered . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said: I tried the same, couldn't find it for Scottish players or teams. Even that isn't great, running about daft doesn't equate to a better or fitter player. Yep exactly - by no means the perfect stat. A team who has more possession will make the ball do the work and cover less ground I expect. I imagine Celtic camped in an opponent's third with the ball don't have remarkable km averages. Plus any average I might have been able to find for Hearts would be skewed by wee Cammy anyway. I thought it would help to find something to understand where others are coming from. But maybe there isn't anything to support the positions some choose to take... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, Rampant said: Everyone's from the same gene pool. Some people will have certain genes from that pool however that increase their likelihood of being better athletes. And having genes that make a player a better athlete will help them to be better footballers. And those better footballers will cost more and play for better teams. A gene for increased fitness works just like a gene height. Nutrition will play a part in someone's growth, so even if we do accept your point that Hearts' sport science should be equal to any other club in the world, we'll still have players who might have a genetic height advantage that will make them better at certain aspects of football. They may well be worse at other aspects of football, as there will be a trade-off, hence why football teams aren't filled with marathon runners as their investment in being immensely fit holds them back in other physical attributes. Granted, in that regard footballers are all of a more similar 'gene pool' but even within a starting 11 you'll want different attributes. I wouldn't expect a centre-back to have the same level of fitness as a wing-back. And I wouldn't expect a Hearts centre-back to have the same level of fitness as a Celtic centre-back, at least not without compromising on other attributes that would lead them to not being a centre-back Hearts should be employing. To take it to another extreme, if footballers are all of the same ilk and for the most part should all have access to the same level of nutrition and sports science as the top clubs, why isn't every player in the SPFL at the same level of fitness as peak Cristiano Ronaldo? There's inherently something in Ronaldo that allows him to be fitter than most. And the other aspect that makes him fitter is of course his dedication to being as fit as possible. That drive and determination he has is something worth paying for. If my employer expected me to improve in an aspect at my job, they would have to provide training and support to allow me to achieve that, which would cost them money. If they expected me to do it of my own accord, they would have to pay me more to do it. I would probably decline. I don't want to be a Ronaldo, I'm quite content being a Barrie McKay. All fair points, I would expect the club and the management to do everything possible to get the players as fit as they can be, whether that’s afternoons or not. If the players want to move up a level then they should be looking at the players we played against in Europe, who’s clubs nutritionist queried the ingredients of everything they ate apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Fire_At_The_Disco said: I’ve got the covid☹️ Just tested when I came in from work as I felt a bit off. I now have a decision to make, do I just go if I feel okay or do I patch it and watch on TV. 🤷🏻♂️ Fancy us to beat they rats too. Please don't go unless you test negative. That's your decision made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, OldGorgie said: Not convinced that our players are as a fit as OF. Surely you have forgotten last years cup final when our players were run ragged by Rankers in extra time. The OF, and sellik in particular, move the ball around very quickly, meaning that their opponents have to do more running than they do, therefore as the game goes on their opponent become more tired. Add in the fact that they can bring on top quality subs. Nothing to do with our players not being fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 44 minutes ago, OldGorgie said: Not convinced that our players are as a fit as OF. Surely you have forgotten last years cup final when our players were run ragged by Rankers in extra time. I meant we used to do that, definitely think we could be fitter but theres no real proof to back that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickycameron98 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I'm trying hard to be positive tomorrow but I just can't see us getting anything out the old firm this season. It's probably the 1st season I've ever thought that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Annnyyyway, I think we are going to win tomorrow, the players and manager seem to believe they can and who are we to doubt that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micole Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Feck it!!.....cannot make the game but going for a 2-1 win for The Famous......MON THE HEARTS!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Will the police be searching these tramps for fireworks etc tomorrow...or just shite it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, neilnunb said: Will the police be searching these tramps for fireworks etc tomorrow...or just shite it? My guess is Shite it as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Mallin_51 Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 I really try not to get my hopes up too much against either of the uglies for the simple reasons I just find too many reasons as to why it shouldn’t happen. Then I always think of the 4-0 game: Even after 6 years it reminds me anything is possible and it can come at the most unlikely of times. A side who hadn’t lost in 69 matches and we rocked up with a 16 year old in midfield and prince bauben at centre half. We should’ve been absolutely murdered that day. I walked away from it thinking it should’ve been 6 or 7. We can beat them. It’s happened before when we’ve not expected it, it’ll happen again. Cmon the hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, AC Mallin_51 said: I really try not to get my hopes up too much against either of the uglies for the simple reasons I just find too many reasons as to why it shouldn’t happen. Then I always think of the 4-0 game: Even after 6 years it reminds me anything is possible and it can come at the most unlikely of times. A side who hadn’t lost in 69 matches and we rocked up with a 16 year old in midfield and prince bauben at centre half. We should’ve been absolutely murdered that day. I walked away from it thinking it should’ve been 6 or 7. We can beat them. It’s happened before when we’ve not expected it, it’ll happen again. Cmon the hearts We not only broke their streak, we did it doing the Poznan. I was slack-jawed staring at my screen the whole game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NORVTHEDUCK Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Clark Sibbick Rowles Kingsley Smith Devlin Kio Cochrane Snodgrass Ginelly Shankland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) Think back to 4-0 Think of the mingin' lineup Let's get in about these ***** Across the pitch In the stands On the streets **** CELTIC Edited March 10, 2023 by Gershwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LochcarronJambo Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 If there is a football god, hearts the total decent pro Scottish anti sectarian football club in ma country win this tomorrow ……fed up of the filth undeservedly winning , cmon the hearts concentrate for every minute & put this filth out of the Scottish & btw hope our Fife neighbours somehow b eat the partners in crime on sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Djnoisy said: Please be true on both counts. How daft are you? Snodgrass is one guy who won't be over awed by reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, AC Mallin_51 said: I really try not to get my hopes up too much against either of the uglies for the simple reasons I just find too many reasons as to why it shouldn’t happen. Then I always think of the 4-0 game: Even after 6 years it reminds me anything is possible and it can come at the most unlikely of times. A side who hadn’t lost in 69 matches and we rocked up with a 16 year old in midfield and prince bauben at centre half. We should’ve been absolutely murdered that day. I walked away from it thinking it should’ve been 6 or 7. We can beat them. It’s happened before when we’ve not expected it, it’ll happen again. Cmon the hearts He was midfield but look at the team, and their striker 😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 49 minutes ago, Gershwin said: Think back to 4-0 Think of the mingin' lineup Let's get in about these ***** Across the pitch In the stands On the streets **** CELTIC Yaaaaaasssss I’m in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gershwin Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: Yaaaaaasssss I’m in Bring your taser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Led Tasso said: We not only broke their streak, we did it doing the Poznan. I was slack-jawed staring at my screen the whole game. Oh the Wee Hibs are shite was my favourite tune of the night 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just now, Gershwin said: Bring your taser I cant be trusted with something like that 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMarkDevriesy Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) Deleted - wrong thread Edited March 11, 2023 by SoMarkDevriesy wrong thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, i wish jj was my dad said: How daft are you? Snodgrass is one guy who won't be over awed by reputation. Fabulous footballer with a brain. Too slow for this game though I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 6 hours ago, JimmyCant said: Fabulous footballer with a brain. Too slow for this game though I think We'll need mobility no question but if we set up with 3 in the middle we'd be daft no to play him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilnunb Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Come on the Hearts!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 42 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said: We'll need mobility no question but if we set up with 3 in the middle we'd be daft no to play him Completely agree. Surely its the same 5-3-2 shape from Wednesday - Clark Smith Sibbick Rowles Kngsley Cochrane Grant Kio Snodgrass Shankland/McKay Ginnelly Gives us some options off the bench as well (Hill, Devlin, Halliday, McKay if Shanks fit, Forrest, Kuol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3-0 easy? C'mon Hearts. Intae this mob! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, karipidis said: Completely agree. Surely its the same 5-3-2 shape from Wednesday - Clark Smith Sibbick Rowles Kngsley Cochrane Grant Kio Snodgrass Shankland/McKay Ginnelly Gives us some options off the bench as well (Hill, Devlin, Halliday, McKay if Shanks fit, Forrest, Kuol). That would be my side but it will be a proper blow if Shanks isn't fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11 2NL Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 The team press like **** when we don't have the ball, we have a fit team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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