Mini Budget

[Ulysses]

13 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

it’s political suicide IMO.  Kier Starmer will be the next PM

 

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, briever said:

 

WTF

 

It's a thin mandate in the parliament and in the polls.  It's debatable it's enough of a clear mandate.  But it could change quickly.

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, briever said:

 

Is it feck, it's a parasite leeching off the body of the country.

As I said - brainwashed. You said you were older earlier.  Your generation(no idea about you individually )with final salary pensions and the like are a bigger drain than banking will ever be.

[kingantti1874]

4 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

That's the tax the banks pay. Not the bankers. 

2021-22 bonus pot was 7.5bn

The tax take from that would be a fraction of it as they're bankers and well their day job is keeping money out the hands of the tax man. 

 

The bankers haven't paid back anything. Neither have the banks. 

 

So we'll go for your post was nonsense. Risible nonsense. 

well no we won’t becuase you’ve changed the parameters of the debate. 
 

Financial services is the cornerstone of the U.K. economy and the bailout(investment was essential) to the ongoing health of the nation. 

 

Very few people who work in that industry can be classified as “bankers” in the sense that it is intended.but for those who are. They pay more in taxes than your average Joe and this contributed more to that “investment” per head 
 

All of the above statements are stone cold facts. 

 

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

21 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Did someone say this would be popular?

 

 

Tobe honest, I find it astonishing that even  3% thought it would help poorer people more.

It does also mean 34%of people either don't care or are ambivalent.

[Ulysses]

Just now, Malinga the Swinga said:

Tobe honest, I find it astonishing that even  3% thought it would help poorer people more.

It does also mean 34%of people either don't care or are ambivalent.

 

 

[briever]

8 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

It's a thin mandate in the parliament and in the polls.  It's debatable it's enough of a clear mandate.  But it could change quickly.

 

WTF are you talking about they have had nothing but mandates thrown at them for 7yrs.  Of course there is a fricking mandate for another referendum.

[Victorian]

Labour must now significantly up it's game regarding showing up this 'government' for what it is.  It must become visible and audible enough to get through to people that there is a different way.  An alternative.  That all parties are not the same.  More half-arsed,  meek and mild,  anonymous opposition is going to fail people quite profoundly.  They should never be forgiven if they can't step forward and occupy the position of removing this goverment.

[briever]

8 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

As I said - brainwashed. You said you were older earlier.  Your generation(no idea about you individually )with final salary pensions and the like are a bigger drain than banking will ever be.

 

I'm brainwashed 🤣 

 

I'm 55 moron - you think I have a final salary pension.

[ri Alban]

5 minutes ago, briever said:

 

WTF are you talking about they have had nothing but mandates thrown at them for 7yrs.  Of course there is a fricking mandate for another referendum.

Don't be too harsh. Vic is born again Labour man, his opinion ATM, is biased. He thinks Labour can't get power without Scotland. It's not true, but hey. Be kind.

[Victorian]

2 minutes ago, briever said:

 

WTF are you talking about they have had nothing but mandates thrown at them for 7yrs.  Of course there is a fricking mandate for another referendum.

 

I'll reply once more only as I can see you're not that well suited to reasonable conversation.

 

The mandate is thin in the parliament.  An SNP majority with some clear water would be better.  But of course it is made difficult due to the voting system.

 

More crucially,  the polling evidence does not indicate clear and consistent support for independence.  That's a fact.  It's highly debatable that the justification currently exists.  The justification does exist for other reasons.  I would have no issue whatsoever if we do move to independence because separation from the criminal gang at Westminster is quickly becoming more important than other matters that might indicate we should remain.

 

Take your WTFs and ram 'em pal.

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Labour must now significantly up it's game regarding showing up this 'government' for what it is.  It must become visible and audible enough to get through to people that there is a different way.  An alternative.  That all parties are not the same.  More half-arsed,  meek and mild,  anonymous opposition is going to fail people quite profoundly.  They should never be forgiven if they can't step forward and occupy the position of removing this goverment.

Agreed , but wishful thinking really . They have had various open goals for years and failed to capitalise with any of them . Their cultural ideology is impacting on votes too imo 

[kingantti1874]

7 minutes ago, briever said:

 

I'm brainwashed 🤣 

 

I'm 55 moron - you think I have a final salary pension.

Many 55 year old do 🤷‍♂️ I did caveat my response to that end.

 

and yes - if you think financial services is in some way leeching from you, or from society you are either brainwashed or stupid. The data is clear and beyond challenge.  
 

 

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Dagger Is Back said:

 Couldn't agree more but what do you expect from a pig but a grunt when it comes to the Tories. The only bit I disagree with is in bold. It's been way more than the last two years. Looks like we've learned nothing from Covid in terms of who the folks are that really make this country tick. Sickening and they're not even trying to hide it these days.

Agreed but I meant theyve got 2 years to go before the next GE so they will be emptying the coffers before they go. 

[briever]

4 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

I'll reply once more only as I can see you're not that well suited to reasonable conversation.

 

The mandate is thin in the parliament.  An SNP majority with some clear water would be better.  But of course it is made difficult due to the voting system.

 

More crucially,  the polling evidence does not indicate clear and consistent support for independence.  That's a fact.  It's highly debatable that the justification currently exists.  The justification does exist for other reasons.  I would have no issue whatsoever if we do move to independence because separation from the criminal gang at Westminster is quickly becoming more important than other matters that might indicate we should remain.

 

Take your WTFs and ram 'em pal.

 

You're confusing an electoral system designed to limit the powers of a single party with a mandate.

 

The justification exists because a party whose sole reason for being is independence has won every election for 12 yrs.

 

Ram you polls where the sun dont shine - polling is there to influence public opinion not reflect it.

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Agreed , but wishful thinking really . They have had various open goals for years and failed to capitalise with any of them . Their cultural ideology is impacting on votes too imo 

 

They are too honest tbh.  They can never replicate the Tories' ability to shape shift from one position to the next ideological direction to the next version of the same corrupt turd.  And there is a permanent existence of two separate ideological positions that often manifest in conflict.  They cannot pull together for universal self interest like the Tories.  But the bare minimum is some ability to become audible to ordinary people.  If they can't make an impression now then they should disappear and allow someone else to become the major opposition party.

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, briever said:

 

You're confusing an electoral system designed to limit the powers of a single party with a mandate.

 

The justification exists because a party whose sole reason for being is independence has won every election for 12 yrs.

 

Ram you polls where the sun dont shine - polling is there to influence public opinion not reflect it.

 

 

Special.

[Pans Jambo]

[Taffin]

27 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

As I said - brainwashed. You said you were older earlier.  Your generation(no idea about you individually )with final salary pensions and the like are a bigger drain than banking will ever be.

 

I don't agree with you almost any of your views on this thread, but I must say I'm with you on the above. Is it negatively stoking a generation war? Probably, but boy I'm sick of being lectured by the boomer generation. Houses at affordable prices, jobs for life, final salary pensions and then they make up the majority of Tory voters to deny the current and future generations the same (not to mention sitting in largely empty multi bedroom properties and then have the cheek to moan about fuel prices).

[il Duce McTarkin]

Briever posts like a pre-lobotomy Ri Alban.

[ri Alban]

Just now, Dirk McClaymore said:

Briever posts like a pre-lobotomy Ri Alban.

It's ri Alban, Gov.

[hughesie27]

3 hours ago, kingantti1874 said:

Scotland unlikely to follow suit with the 45% threshold income tax cut.  

 

So I could literally buy a flat in northern England, declare it to be my home address, use the reduced tax I will be charged to pay the mortgage and rent it out. My take home will be roughly the same  and I’ll have someone else paying for the majority of a nice juicy asset.

 

where do I sign up .. shame Scotland will be about to lose my tax revenue. 

 

 

The number of people who would do this would make negligible impact. It's the corporation tax reversal that is going to **** us over the most.

[Mikey1874]

18 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

 

 

[dobmisterdobster]

1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

 

There is no such thing as Trickle Down Economics. It was a term made up by opponents of US President Herbert Hoover. Nobody is a proponent of such a thing.

[Roxy Hearts]

34 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Agreed , but wishful thinking really . They have had various open goals for years and failed to capitalise with any of them . Their cultural ideology is impacting on votes too imo 

Agreed. I'm ex Labour and it will stay that way even if we become independent. They are an empty, soulless party now.

[Roxy Hearts]

36 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Many 55 year old do 🤷‍♂️ I did caveat my response to that end.

 

and yes - if you think financial services is in some way leeching from you, or from society you are either brainwashed or stupid. The data is clear and beyond challenge.  
 

 

The Finance Industry is like a big casino, especially in London! I'm 61 by the way 😉

Edited September 23, 2022 by Roxy Hearts

[Shooter McGavin]

So if your income is £1 million-a-year, you’ll be £54,000 better off,

 

If your income is £25,000-a-year, you’ll be £280 better off.

 

Aye that’ll tackle the cost of living crisis right enough.

[il Duce McTarkin]

29 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

It's ri Alban, Gov.

 

Understood, squire.

[Jambof3tornado]

1 hour ago, briever said:

Let's hope people have locked in their mortgage rate.

 

 

2.19% for 10 years!! Overpaying too so done in just over 8 years.

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, kingantti1874 said:

Wow but the individual bankers paid most of the tax in the first place, and personal tax those institutions are one of the biggest net contributors, in fact the absolute cornerstone of the U.K. economy.  So they paid for themselves many times over.  And it’s those contributions that allows U.K. gov to subsidise scotland so that we can offer out lots of freebies 

and here's the original post.

 

Firstly the banks, that's the BANKS, pay 75 billion in taxes. That'll be corporation and transactional taxes. 

The BANKERS, That'll be the folks working for the banks, didn't pay most of the tax in the first place.

 

At no point have they paid for themselves many times over. They crashed the economy costing all of us taxpayers, including the dog walker, 137 billion pounds.

 

In fact the UK economy still hasn't recovered and probably never will

 

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/10-years-have-we-recovered-financial-crisis

 

Do not a knife to a gunfight bring. 

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

 

Understood, squire.

And this is me pre lobotomy.

[briever]

32 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said:

Briever posts like a pre-lobotomy Ri Alban.

 

You're familiar with lobotomies I suspect.

[Jambof3tornado]

7 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

So if your income is £1 million-a-year, you’ll be £54,000 better off,

 

If your income is £25,000-a-year, you’ll be £280 better off.

 

Aye that’ll tackle the cost of living crisis right enough.

Yup,cant fathom how some rich London banker paying less tax will in any way benefit those cleaning his office on low wages.

[The Mighty Thor]

BOOMER!!!1!!!

 

[Shooter McGavin]

1 minute ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Yup,cant fathom how some rich London banker paying less tax will in any way benefit those cleaning his office on low wages.

It’s alright though, the tory lapdogs who think they’re middle class will turn round and start pointing fingers at people on benefits etc, they’re the real problem apparently…

 

 

Pound at a near 40 year low and still falling.

 

Another big decision they’ve got right.

[briever]

2 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

It’s alright though, the tory lapdogs who think they’re middle class will turn round and start pointing fingers at people on benefits etc, they’re the real problem apparently…

 

 

Pound at a near 40 year low and still falling.

 

Another big decision they’ve got right.

 

The bond market are now turning against the UK - what do the BoE have to defend themselves with?  Interest rates - we're going to get spit roasted by the Tory scum.

[kingantti1874]

14 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

and here's the original post.

 

Firstly the banks, that's the BANKS, pay 75 billion in taxes. That'll be corporation and transactional taxes. 

The BANKERS, That'll be the folks working for the banks, didn't pay most of the tax in the first place.

 

At no point have they paid for themselves many times over. They crashed the economy costing all of us taxpayers, including the dog walker, 137 billion pounds.

 

In fact the UK economy still hasn't recovered and probably never will

 

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/10-years-have-we-recovered-financial-crisis

 

Do not a knife to a gunfight bring. 

you are still arguing apples and oranges. If the taxpayer hadn’t invested in the financial sector then the damage would have been infinitely greater. The financial sector continues to mKe one be of the biggest tax contributions to the U.K. economy. And higher earners pay more taxes than lower earners.  
 

sure I agree there are a small number of arsheoles who should have gone to jail. Is that what you want to hear? No debate about that.  The U.K. and Scotland is still hugely dependent on the financial sector. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

17 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

So if your income is £1 million-a-year, you’ll be £54,000 better off,

 

If your income is £25,000-a-year, you’ll be £280 better off.

 

Aye that’ll tackle the cost of living crisis right enough.

Is being £280 better off not a good thing? Reckon I'll be about £350 year better off. Not brilliant but better than being £350 worse off, so I'll take it and run. Certainly not going to worry about what some rich person going to earn because I can't change it.

Life throws challenges at you and best to battle through with determination and be as positive as you can.

[briever]

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

you are still arguing apples and oranges. If the taxpayer hadn’t invested in the financial sector then the damage would have been infinitely greater. The financial sector continues to mKe one be of the biggest tax contributions to the U.K. economy. And higher earners pay more taxes than lower earners.  
 

sure I agree there are a small number of arsheoles who should have gone to jail. Is that what you want to hear? No debate about that.  The U.K. and Scotland is still hugely dependent on the financial sector. 

Your wasting your time. TMT hates banks, everyone who works in banks and believes they all earn millions while guzzling champagne.

Total delusion of course and no basis in reality, but he will never change mind.

[il Duce McTarkin]

22 minutes ago, briever said:

 

You're familiar with lobotomies I suspect.

 

I've performed a few on here, yes.

[Cade]

[briever]

Malinga in action.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Is being £280 better off not a good thing? Reckon I'll be about £350 year better off. Not brilliant but better than being £350 worse off, so I'll take it and run. Certainly not going to worry about what some rich person going to earn because I can't change it.

Life throws challenges at you and best to battle through with determination and be as positive as you can.

You’re getting mugged off the same as the rest of us then.

 

It’s a shame you’re not more bothered about the fact.

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Your wasting your time. TMT hates banks, everyone who works in banks and believes they all earn millions while guzzling champagne.

Total delusion of course and no basis in reality, but he will never change mind.

 

aye so I’ve noticed. Everyone seems to need a scapegoat
 

 

[briever]

1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

 

aye so I’ve noticed. Everyone seems to need a scapegoat
 

 

 

For you and your fellow travellers it's those on benefits - billy big baws can only punch down.

[The Mighty Thor]

5 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

you are still arguing apples and oranges. If the taxpayer hadn’t invested in the financial sector then the damage would have been infinitely greater. The financial sector continues to mKe one be of the biggest tax contributions to the U.K. economy. And higher earners pay more taxes than lower earners.  
 

sure I agree there are a small number of arsheoles who should have gone to jail. Is that what you want to hear? No debate about that.  The U.K. and Scotland is still hugely dependent on the financial sector. 

No you posted nonsense which you doubled down on as fact in subsequent posts. 

 

I may well be a large contributor of taxes but it is not a special case. 

 

Higher earners will always pay more tax than lower earners. That's just counting. 

 

The tax burden would be more equitable if everyone paid their taxes as due and in full. 

Shut down the avoidance and evasion, the favourite tax management tools of the high earners and the burden comes down for everyone.

Start at the top with the Royal family and inheritence taxes. Hundreds of millions of taxes due, all squirreled away, just because. 

[Shooter McGavin]

1 minute ago, briever said:

 

For you and your fellow travellers it's those on benefits - billy big baws can only punch down.

Tbh, for the average tory voter the list is endless; minorities, immigrants, the disabled, those who rely on benefits, those who are the most vulnerable etc…

 

The tories are practically trying to murder them at this point.

[kingantti1874]

1 minute ago, briever said:

 

For you and your fellow travellers it's those on benefits - billy big baws can only punch down.

no scapegoats here, my success or failure  

is 100% determined by me. 
 

fullu support improved benefits - where it is due. / earned 

[briever]

Just now, Shooter McGavin said:

Tbh, for the average tory voter the list is endless; minorities, immigrants, the disabled, those who rely on benefits, those who are the most vulnerable etc…

 

The tories are practically trying to murder them at this point.

 

Today they've slavishly followed the chancellor and blamed benefit "cheats" for the state the UK is in.