Mini Budget

[Taffin]

6 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

They’re pretty populist in their own way. They all target a certain demographic.
 

I doubt a true blue Tory would contemplate what you say about the Tories either. 

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

 

Edit: Goddamn you @jonesy

Edited September 23, 2022 by Taffin

[pablo]

51 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

It is interesting. People earning £1 million are apparently £54,000 a year better off. How does that improve the economy?

 

I don't agree with this, but I think the theory goes something like it encourages these people to make their money in London rather than New York or somewhere else, and people living in the regions should benefit from these high earners being in the UK.

 

All bollox mind, in my opinion anyway.

[FWJ]

1 hour ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

Bit of a tanks on the lawn moment that one imo as it's a devolved matter. If Scotland doesn't follow I'd imagine there may be a drift of talent down south.

I think that depends.  I’ve got friends with 3 kids quite close in ages, all went to university.  They had been toying with moving to England (work opportunities) but with tuition fees to consider it paid them to stay in Edinburgh.

[ri Alban]

3 hours ago, Dazo said:

Not actually the majority though was it. Certainly won an election landslide though. 

Bigger percentage than the Tory, but you don't dismiss them.

[Taffin]

Just now, FWJ said:

I think that depends.  I’ve got friends with 3 kids quite close in ages, all went to university.  They had been toying with moving to England (work opportunities) but with tuition fees to consider it paid them to stay in Edinburgh.

 

I stayed and got my degree in Scotland, then when there were less decent earning jobs and graduate schemes moved to England. It's a shame really, but I do think what's happened today may exacerbate it further.

[ri Alban]

Give the wealthy more money to save, then put up interest rates. Everyone's a winner.

[Gizmo]

2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Its this line that sticks in my craw. Unbelievable heartlessness on the low paid of our society who often have some hard jobs to do (care workers, nursery workers, cleaners and zero hour workers etc.)

 

He said that would mean 120,000 more people on Universal Credit "take active steps to seek more and better-paid work, or face having their benefits reduced".

 

Complete barstewards!!!

Someone still has to do these shitty, poorly paid jobs. Hounding those in gainful employment is akin to doing homeless people for vagrancy.

[Gizmo]

8 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Bigger percentage than the Tory, but you don't dismiss them.

It's disengenuous really to complain when FPTP is even less representative than the system operated for Holyrood election, which I think is assessed as 4x fairer.  

The SNP would walk it if it was FPTP, way beyond his beloved Tories "win". 

Whilst we are talking democracy amidst complaints about not winning a majority, who voted for the current PM then...

[ri Alban]

So how do we pay this back, when the economy shrinks and there's no tax take. Do we let likes of BP, Casino bankers and the rest of the Tory donation pool leave with the loot and enforce the rest to pay off the bills. 

 

 

 

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Gizmo said:

It's disengenuous really to complain when FPTP is even less representative than the system operated for Holyrood election, which I think is assessed as 4x fairer.  

The SNP would walk it if it was FPTP, way beyond his beloved Tories "win". 

Whilst we are talking democracy amidst complaints about not winning a majority, who voted for the current PM then...

👍 SNP won it by about 50 majority.

 

How many general elections and Tory leader elections have there been since 2014, and how many were won by more than have of the electorate, not the turn out?  It seem they can change their mind, any time they like.

[That thing you do]

Scotland suffers from being attached to a broken debt and consumption-driven national growth model called the UK that teeters on the brink of collapse. Some 35% of UK GDP is generated in London.

Much of the rest of the country effectively lives off transfers. Sterling has been overvalued for a generation, which has masked these problems, sucking in other people’s money to cover over the cracks. That model is coming to an end, soon. If you think the UK has inflation now, just wait.

While the UK has no functioning growth model Scotland is at least trying to lay the foundations for a new and better one. The National Strategy for Economic Transformation was an attempt, within the existing constitutional framework, to do better. It spells out how and why Scotland should grow and diversify its exports while putting the all too necessary green transition at the center of its ambitions. While Westminster peddles tax cuts Scotland tackles decarbonization and the growth of a hydrogen economy.

Mark Blyth, Economist 

 

[Dazo]

5 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

It's disengenuous really to complain when FPTP is even less representative than the system operated for Holyrood election, which I think is assessed as 4x fairer.  

The SNP would walk it if it was FPTP, way beyond his beloved Tories "win". 

Whilst we are talking democracy amidst complaints about not winning a majority, who voted for the current PM then...

Ffs Wind your neck Gizmo I wasn’t complaining in the slightest. Unless my figures are wrong(good chance) the Snp got 45% of the vote. In nobody’s language is that a majority, that’s all I was correcting. 😊

[jack D and coke]

The KamiKwasi budget it seems.  
A last row of the dice or enough to wreck the place for when Labour has to try pick up the pieces. 
Be gutted if I bought a house yesterday too. 

[ri Alban]

Hopefully the SNP sticks 5p back on these high earners. They can all feck off if they like, they won't get to rob Scotland and some others can make money from Scotland by putting money back.

[ri Alban]

3 minutes ago, Dazo said:

Ffs Wind your neck Gizmo I wasn’t complaining in the slightest. Unless my figures are wrong(good chance) the Snp got 45% of the vote. In nobody’s language is that a majority, that’s all I was correcting. 😊

Neither was the Tories, but hey have an80 seat majority, yet you recognise it as one. The SNP won 62/3 fptp, I cant remember. Labour ?, Tory? Lib Dem? won how many each? As contrary to what people say, they are NOT a single party.

[ri Alban]

Did the public sector workers get a wage rise? Did UC get a rise? Giving people a wage rise makes the economy fmfrow, as these people spend their money on the economy. Tax cuts and interest rises only take the money from the economy.

[ri Alban]

12 years. Wake up England.

[dobmisterdobster]

11 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Did the public sector workers get a wage rise? Did UC get a rise? Giving people a wage rise makes the economy fmfrow, as these people spend their money on the economy. Tax cuts and interest rises only take the money from the economy.

 

If you honestly believe that then you probably still believe the coin behind the ear trick.

[ri Alban]

4 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

If you honestly believe that then you probably still believe the coin behind the ear trick.

They don't spend the same as I do. I spent every in the Scottish government. They put it elsewhere. They may pay more tax, but it's a pittance of what the take from the country. While the rest invest everything we have.

Edited September 23, 2022 by ri Alban

[Unknown user]

6 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

If you honestly believe that then you probably still believe the coin behind the ear trick.

You must be a banker, it's a washer in our house.

[Dazo]

24 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Neither was the Tories, but hey have an80 seat majority, yet you recognise it as one. The SNP won 62/3 fptp, I cant remember. Labour ?, Tory? Lib Dem? won how many each? As contrary to what people say, they are NOT a single party.

I know, I’m not arguing otherwise. 😂

[ri Alban]

None of these ***** in parliament know what normal people are going through. I hope the bankers, the oil companies and the Tory go bust. We'll not be bailing any ***** out next time, cause we have feck all to give.

[ri Alban]

The murder of the NHS is now being carried out in public. They actually don't care. Roll on the GE and either a Labour we can trust or SNP and UDI.

[ri Alban]

5 minutes ago, Dazo said:

I know, I’m not arguing otherwise. 😂

👍 I don't like either electoral rules. 

I used to like FPTP because I knew who I voted for but now I'd like something else. But then I don't like the voting for a party either. What I'm saying is , I don't like huge majorities, without huge majorities.

[ri Alban]

I sat on the remote and Arlene Foster was reading the news on GBN.

[briever]

Lets hope none of you are going on holiday to the USA this week.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, XB52 said:

I can't contemplate it because they are totally different from the tories. You want to lump them in with the old, they're all the same, because it's what tories/unionists do. Absolute garbage

Laughable. Just because they do things you want, they're different.

They target different demographic with their policies and you fall at their feet.

The whole lot of them are in it for one reason, to get power.

If you can't see, or admit that, then carry on waiting for the nirvana of independence, when everything will be rosy, people will have plenty money, no conflicts or arguments will exist and you can hate the English from the comfort of your home, all while wearing a sporran and tartan.

Only one problem, your lot can't, despite some of the worst governments in history being in Westminster, persuade country to back them in sufficient numbers. 

Shouting abuse at Tories may win you smiles and jokes on here, but it doesn't translate into a coherent fiscal policy that will win enough votes.

Have a nice day.

[briever]

Just now, Malinga the Swinga said:

Laughable. Just because they do things you want, they're different.

They target different demographic with their policies and you fall at their feet.

The whole lot of them are in it for one reason, to get power.

If you can't see, or admit that, then carry on waiting for the nirvana of independence, when everything will be rosy, people will have plenty money, no conflicts or arguments will exist and you can hate the English from the comfort of your home, all while wearing a sporran and tartan.

Only one problem, your lot can't, despite some of the worst governments in history being in Westminster, persuade country to back them in sufficient numbers. 

Shouting abuse at Tories may win you smiles and jokes on here, but it doesn't translate into a coherent fiscal policy that will win enough votes.

Have a nice day.

 

Tory scum talking about coherent fiscal policy 🤣

[periodictabledancer]

17 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

None of these ***** in parliament know what normal people are going through. I hope the bankers, the oil companies and the Tory go bust. We'll not be bailing any ***** out next time, cause we have feck all to give.

The biggest donors to Truss's Tory leadershup campaign were energy companies.

Et voila , fracking !!

[ri Alban]

Hopefully the SNP don't read too much into the optics. 21% will do me, I'd pay 25% to pay for Prescriptions, bus passes, Mental health care or whatever. Let the rest go bust, they'll be ousted soon enough.

[kingantti1874]

Scotland unlikely to follow suit with the 45% threshold income tax cut.  

 

So I could literally buy a flat in northern England, declare it to be my home address, use the reduced tax I will be charged to pay the mortgage and rent it out. My take home will be roughly the same  and I’ll have someone else paying for the majority of a nice juicy asset.

 

where do I sign up .. shame Scotland will be about to lose my tax revenue. 

 

 

[kingantti1874]

2 minutes ago, briever said:

 

Tory scum talking about coherent fiscal policy 🤣

Behave. 

[ri Alban]

2 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

The biggest donors to Truss's Tory leadershup campaign were energy companies.

Et voila , fracking !!

I don't think any court will overrule the SG ban on fracking.

[briever]

The Tories here think the budget is for them 🤣

Even the IFS have called it out.
 

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

Scotland unlikely to follow suit with the 45% threshold income tax cut.  

 

So I could literally buy a flat in northern England, declare it to be my home address, use the reduced tax I will be charged to pay the mortgage and rent it out. My take home will be roughly the same  and I’ll have someone else paying for the majority of a nice juicy asset.

 

where do I sign up .. shame Scotland will be about to lose my tax revenue. 

 

 

🤣 Go on then, I'm sure you're in for a nice spell in prison.

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, Dazo said:

 

Neither of you are in a position to say how this will impact other people on this forum. Ours will be covered and Taffin has said his will be close to being covered. Lots of people will be getting help by the national insurance reduction I’m not sure it should be scoffed at.

 

This will be a big vote winner amongst those in the middle that aren’t already entrenched in their views and obviously amongst Tory voters. 

 

So pleased for you.

 

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 hour ago, vegas-voss said:

I don't get how folk think they are not going to win the next election these ****ers will breeze it again despite what opinion polls say.Until the worse off start getting off their arse and voting they will continue to get in.

 

I don't mean all the worst off but I know so many folk that don't vote and just give the what's the point shrug.They just don't get that politics effect so much of their lives.

Because they're so fixated with screaming 'Tory bad' and the same group of folk agreeing with them They don't realise that the floating voter wants to hear positive campaigning, doesn't like being called Scum, a traitor or whatever other term is thrown at them.

Loads of English +no Scottish response as yet) middle earners now better off, but that's the demographic that these folk hate. English and earning half decent salary = scum in their eyes.

Come up with proven fiscal plan is seemingly too difficult and it's easier to scream and cry about life's unfair turns.

[briever]

Just now, ri Alban said:

I don't think any court will overrule the SG ban on fracking.

 

Even the fracking companies are saying their announcements are just publicity stunts - it's not going to help or be worthwhile.

 

Fracking won’t work in UK says founder of fracking company Cuadrilla | Fracking | The Guardian

[kingantti1874]

Just now, ri Alban said:

Hopefully the SNP don't read too much into the optics. 21% will do me, I'd pay 25% to pay for Prescriptions, bus passes, Mental health care or whatever. Let the rest go bust, they'll be ousted soon enough.

this post is funny and unbelievable in equal measure. You think you will have any of these things after independence ? LOL. 

[ri Alban]

Just now, briever said:

 

Even the fracking companies are saying their announcements are just publicity stunts - it's not going to help or be worthwhile.

 

Fracking won’t work in UK says founder of fracking company Cuadrilla | Fracking | The Guardian

👍

[kingantti1874]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

🤣 Go on then, I'm sure you're in for a nice spell in prison.

why? My “home” office is London. I’ll just be “travelling” to Edinburgh and living in my second house at the weekend 😂

[Malinga the Swinga]

Just now, Mikey1874 said:

 

So pleased for you.

 

 

So they are better off then. What a disgrace.

Maybe if instead of carrying chip on shoulder and being obsessed about what others earn, people would be happier.

[periodictabledancer]

58 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

So how do we pay this back, when the economy shrinks and there's no tax take. Do we let likes of BP, Casino bankers and the rest of the Tory donation pool leave with the loot and enforce the rest to pay off the bills. 

 

 

 

We won't pay it back. The tories have become the GOP and followed their tactics dilligently, regardless of the damage it causes. Tax cuts for the rich, slash social spending (NB this achieves "small government" - a Tory wet dream - through the back door as there's less & less money for public spending as the tax take gets worse year on year ) and **** everybody else. 

Meanwhile the tax cuts are dressed up as fighting the current recession while stoking the very inflationary flames the BofE is trying to put out.

This is dogma dressed up as economic policy.  

[ri Alban]

Interest rates to hit 5%

[The Mighty Thor]

4 hours ago, Victorian said:

Worse than expected.  A total smash and grab raid on tax receipts.  And will do **** all for the economy.

 

Full on,  overt,  right wing thievery.

Just like the last 12 years.

 

We're at the vinegar strokes now of the conversion of public purse to private pockets. 

[ri Alban]

Why is it not reduced to 15p and 44p? It's effectively a 5% pay rise for them. I thought pay rises were bad for inflation.

[Malinga the Swinga]

6 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Hopefully the SNP don't read too much into the optics. 21% will do me, I'd pay 25% to pay for Prescriptions, bus passes, Mental health care or whatever. Let the rest go bust, they'll be ousted soon enough.

Good for you. See when you fail to win independence, you'll find the reasons are a lot to do with what you have hoped for.

Majority of Scots voters who work hard, put in graft, do the hard hours aren't willing subsidise those who won't do the same.

You might not like it, but if you don't recognise it, you will never win referendum.

[periodictabledancer]

8 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

I don't think any court will overrule the SG ban on fracking.

So what ?

That  wasn't my point. 

[Pans Jambo]

5 minutes ago, briever said:

 

Even the fracking companies are saying their announcements are just publicity stunts - it's not going to help or be worthwhile.

 

Fracking won’t work in UK says founder of fracking company Cuadrilla | Fracking | The Guardian

Its a white elephant. The gas will be sold at market pricing. Which incidentally will be in USD.

 

Zero saving. Be as well phoning up Putin.

[kingantti1874]

1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

So they are better off then. What a disgrace.

Maybe if instead of carrying chip on shoulder and being obsessed about what others earn, people would be happier.

too much carrot and not enough stick.  Folk on the internet moaning about how poor they are from their taxpayer subsidised £1k iPhone, watching the news on their taxpayer funded Sky subscription.
 

the only people who deserve additional help are those who work their arses off in essential and don’t earn enough to have a good quality of life, teachers, police, nurses etc and those with a genuine medical condition.   freeloaders and folk happy to have an easy life. No sympathy.