il Duce McTarkin Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 35 minutes ago, cazzyy said: No, legally. The law is an ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, cazzyy said: It's not the transgenders who can't deal with it. Whether you like it or not a transgender male is a man and a transgender female is a female. https://www.harpermacleod.co.uk/insights/definition-of-woman/ That act is what all the stushie is about FFS It conflates gender with sex and so asserts that if you change from male to female gender that you also chage from male to female sex Highest order horseshit 2 hours ago, cazzyy said: No, legally. The law is wrong Badly drafted, unimplementable and should be repealed at the first opportunity Edited April 26 by AyrJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, cazzyy said: It's not the transgenders who can't deal with it. Whether you like it or not a transgender male is a man and a transgender female is a female. https://www.harpermacleod.co.uk/insights/definition-of-woman/ Don't think anyone on here gives much of a **** what gender someone wants to identify as - they can identify as traffic cones for all I care But I don't agree that a biological male can become a biological female no matter how much surgery or hormone treatment they under go So their legal status should be "transwoman" not "woman" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Don't think anyone on here gives much of a **** what gender someone wants to identify as - they can identify as traffic cones for all I care But I don't agree that a biological male can become a biological female no matter how much surgery or hormone treatment they under go So their legal status should be "transwoman" not "woman" Here's the thing though, you don't get to decide their legal status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, cazzyy said: Here's the thing though, you don't get to decide their legal status. No but those who do, the legislators and the judiciary are expected to exercise reason and weigh facts before drafting and enacting laws not just jump on whatever "progressive" bandwagon is currently doing the rounds And I do get to vote the legislators out of office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 14 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: That act is what all the stushie is about FFS It conflates gender with sex and so asserts that if you change from male to female gender that you also chage from male to female sex Highest order horseshit The law is wrong Badly drafted, unimplementable and should be repealed at the first opportunity Not in the opinion of the judge who heard the appeal from For Women Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, AyrJambo said: No but those who do, the legislators and the judiciary are expected to exercise reason and weigh facts before drafting and enacting laws not just jump on whatever "progressive" bandwagon is currently doing the rounds And I do get to vote the legislators out of office Do that then. The law hasn't just been passed overnight it's been there for years, just been challenged and that challenge chucked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, Jim_Duncan said: Now that the NHS have cottoned on to the fact that they don’t have to give in to the shouty folk with blue and pink sprayed hair, I’d imagine we might see some changes in this nonsense. Blue and pink sprayed hair? You're doing that thing again where you take the "tiny minority of the minority" and try to label them all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Not in the opinion of the judge who heard the appeal from For Women Scotland. Yeah that Judicial Review decision is on it's way to Supreme Court appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Yeah that Judicial Review decision is on it's way to Supreme Court appeal 2 judicial reviews have thrown it out, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 3 minutes ago, cazzyy said: 2 judicial reviews have thrown it out, I wouldn't get your hopes up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking_Cat This man identified as a cat Was he a cat? Edited April 26 by AyrJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 7 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking_Cat This man identified as a cat Was he a cat? No. Good argument though. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, cazzyy said: No. Good argument though. 😄 These men identify as women Are they women? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 33 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Now that the NHS have cottoned on to the fact that they don’t have to give in to the shouty folk with blue and pink sprayed hair, I’d imagine we might see some changes in this nonsense. 👍👍👍 26 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: Yeah that Judicial Review decision is on it's way to Supreme Court appeal The tide has significantly turned . The dangerous mob are on the ropes now . Thank god . It’s only the real loonies left now . Those who still think a person can change sex . Spoiler They can’t and never will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 32 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Do that then. The law hasn't just been passed overnight it's been there for years, just been challenged and that challenge chucked out. The law has changed though Previously to obtain a gender recognition certificate medical intervention was required and a period of time had to pass Under the current law you only need to be "undergoing or intending to undergo" transition and transition can mean anything you want it to mean or nothing at all Today I'm a woman but tomorrow I'll be a man (or a cat) and then maybe non-binary for a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 8 hours ago, cazzyy said: 2 judicial reviews have thrown it out, I wouldn't get your hopes up. It doesn’t actually matter what the law says on this issue. We know it to be a lie . Nothing anyone does will make it possible to change sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 7 hours ago, AyrJambo said: The law has changed though Previously to obtain a gender recognition certificate medical intervention was required and a period of time had to pass Under the current law you only need to be "undergoing or intending to undergo" transition and transition can mean anything you want it to mean or nothing at all Today I'm a woman but tomorrow I'll be a man (or a cat) and then maybe non-binary for a bit Like I said it's been like that for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: It doesn’t actually matter what the law says on this issue. We know it to be a lie . Nothing anyone does will make it possible to change sex. It really does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 12 hours ago, cazzyy said: It's not the transgenders who can't deal with it. Whether you like it or not a transgender male is a man and a transgender female is a female. https://www.harpermacleod.co.uk/insights/definition-of-woman/ Crazzy by name crazy by nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 11 hours ago, Jim_Duncan said: You’re putting a lot of hard yards in here to find a loophole after that wild night in Phuket, cazzyy. I appreciate your efforts, but let’s face it, you got pumped by a ladyboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Same folk on here that would have been telling homosexuals that they weren't normal a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 15 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Same folk on here that would have been telling homosexuals that they weren't normal a few years back. I have come to the conclusion that you are on the wind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 20 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Same folk on here that would have been telling homosexuals that they weren't normal a few years back. What is your answer to my question 8 posts up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, AyrJambo said: What is your answer to my question 8 posts up? I've already posted the legal answer to your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, John Findlay said: I have come to the conclusion that you are on the wind up. Oh well, you've been wrong with most things on here tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 11 minutes ago, cazzyy said: I've already posted the legal answer to your question. We all know what the law says on this The law is patently wrong What is your answer? Edited April 27 by AyrJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: We all know what the law says on this The law is patently wrong What is your answer? Like your opinion on it, mine doesn't matter a jot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Like your opinion on it, mine doesn't matter a jot. Grow a pair and either stand by your guns or admit you, like Sturgeon before you, cannot say the un-sayable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 25 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Oh well, you've been wrong with most things on here tbf. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrJambo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 18 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Like your opinion on it, mine doesn't matter a jot. And if the Scottish Government enacted a law saying that the earth is flat because some people may believe that, your opinion wouldn't matter, nor mine, the only opinion which would count would be that of those who believe the fallacy in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 15 minutes ago, AyrJambo said: And if the Scottish Government enacted a law saying that the earth is flat because some people may believe that, your opinion wouldn't matter, nor mine, the only opinion which would count would be that of those who believe the fallacy in the first place? You've lost the place mate, goodbye. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 hours ago, cazzyy said: It really does. If the law decided that shite was sugar would you rub toleys into your cornflakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Cazzyy - are you a hetrosexual male? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, Sarah O said: Cazzyy - are you a hetrosexual male? Hopefully yes as there can only be one gay in the village on this ! However I have wondered it myself about him. If he is he’s got a bad case of “ internalised homophobia “ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Hopefully yes as there can only be one gay in the village on this ! However I have wondered it myself about him. If he is he’s got a bad case of “ internalised homophobia “ . As a hetro male, I wonder if he'd like to get his rocks off with say.... Isla Bryson. Pretty bloody transphobic if not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Just now, Sarah O said: As a hetro male, I wonder if he'd like to get his rocks off with say.... Isla Bryson. Pretty bloody transphobic if not. Oh yes it would def be transphobic !! I said much the same to Owen Jones regarding “ trans men “ . He blocked me 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 11 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Cazzyy - are you a hetrosexual male? Why does that matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, cazzyy said: Why does that matter? Are you a lesbian female? Are you a person who's attracted to women? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, Sarah O said: As a hetro male, I wonder if he'd like to get his rocks off with say.... Isla Bryson. Pretty bloody transphobic if not. I've read some ridiculous things on here but that's a belter. If you don't fancy an ugly woman you must be homosexual, that's the same as your argument 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah O Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, cazzyy said: I've read some ridiculous things on here but that's a belter. If you don't fancy an ugly woman you must be homosexual, that's the same as your argument 😄 Bryson is an "ugly woman" is he? Who would you rather settle with - the most attractive born female on the planet or the most attractive trans woman on the planet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 43 minutes ago, Sarah O said: Bryson is an "ugly woman" is he? Who would you rather settle with - the most attractive born female on the planet or the most attractive trans woman on the planet? Would you have a problem with a man settling with a transgender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 25 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: cazzyy, they're just trying to ascertain whether you have skin in the game, so to speak, but are going about it pretty cack-handedly. Why does it matter? Edited April 27 by cazzyy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 16 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Why do you conflate homosexuality and transgenderism? One’s about sexual attraction, the other’s about identity. I didn't conflate homosexuality and transgenderism, I know they are separate things. My point was that the same narrow minded attitudes would be shown to both by certain people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Why does it matter? Because whether you have skin in the game or not may go some way to explaining your relative militancy on the subject. The issue is understandably more emotive for some than it is for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 11 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: Because whether you have skin in the game or not may go some way to explaining your relative militancy on the subject. The issue is understandably more emotive for some than it is for others. Does that only apply to one side of the debate? The answer is a resounding no if you're not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 11 minutes ago, cazzyy said: Does that only apply to one side of the debate? The answer is a resounding no if you're not sure. It matters to whoever thinks that it matters, but the vast majority of folk will lie somewhere between apathy and ambivalence. Edited April 27 by il Duce McTarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, il Duce McTarkin said: cazzyy, they're just trying to ascertain whether you have skin in the game, so to speak, but are going about it pretty cack-handedly. I’ve got him blocked for obvious reasons . He’s obsessed with me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 53 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: Why do you conflate homosexuality and transgenderism? One’s about sexual attraction, the other’s about identity. To validate his ludicrous support of a ludicrous . He’s certainly a TRA . His posts see riddled with homophobia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: I’ve got him blocked for obvious reasons . He’s obsessed with me . Pipe down, everybody knows you have me on ignore. You're the first to bleat about folk being silenced too, a hypocrite in the extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzyy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: To validate his ludicrous support of a ludicrous . He’s certainly a TRA . His posts see riddled with homophobia Anyone able to translate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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