pablo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: Why do you keep giving advice on how to achieve independence? Well this thread is about should Scotland be an Independent country, so naturally the topic on how to achieve it is worthy of discussion. You like to keep reminding people that the thread isn't about the SNP's woeful record, so I've taken that on board. Was it it just a binary question with no comments or discussion you wanted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, pablo said: Well this thread is about should Scotland be an Independent country, so naturally the topic on how to achieve it is worthy of discussion. You like to keep reminding people that the thread isn't about the SNP's woeful record, so I've taken that on board. Was it it just a binary question with no comments or discussion you wanted? It's nothing to do with what I want, it's just something I've noticed across social media, time and time again - staunch unionists giving it "you don't wanna do it like that" I don't get it, so I thought I'd ask while it was fresh in your mind. Edited August 31, 2022 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, jack D and coke said: You can’t see how the ruk would have to negotiate? Well if they want us to waltz off without repaying any of this monstrous debt they’ve ran up I guess I’m cool with that for starters. Considering Scotland powers millions of homes and businesses in England at all points every single day might be be something they’d fancy chatting over a coffee about. “Oh and why you’re here PM about these subs?” These enormous issues for starters? There’s just no need? I'm sure the UK would survive, but if Scotland were to leave I don't see why the UK would have to accept the break up of the territorial integrity of the country? In terms of negotiation. I'm talking about secession without the granting of a Section 30. Should have made that clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Mysterion said: We'll be ok as Queen of Brexit BS Julia HB has already told us that negotiations are easy... She's also given us the blue print for how to negotiate.... it's gonna be so easy. Holy **** What big weird hands she has for a woman too. Britains media is full of these gobby brain donors these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, pablo said: I'm sure the UK would survive, but if Scotland were to leave I don't see why the UK would have to accept the break up of the territorial integrity of the country? In terms of negotiation. I'm talking about secession without the granting of a Section 30. Should have made that clear. They wouldn’t have to accept it? Good lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Agreed . Its all very Trumpism Make Scotland Great Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Agreed . Its all very Trumpism Make Scotland Great Again Nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Agreed . Its all very Trumpism Make Scotland Great Again Is he talking about the country of his birth or his residence? Self publisizing luvie can't stand the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Is he talking about the country of his birth or his residence? Self publisizing luvie can't stand the man. Not sure . Only decent thing he did was as Hannibal Lector in " Manhunter".. he should stick to acting really. Those entitled luvvies get on my tits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 50 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: They wouldn’t have to accept it? Good lord. Eh? Why would they have to? I'm not suggesting the UK would send the troops in FFS. But, there would be nothing to stop the UK saying they would neither help nor hinder Scotland if they decided to leave after winning this "de facto referendum " after the next GE. It wouldn't be accepted by the international community and the country would fall to bits almost immediately. Not having to pay back 8% or something of the national debt would be little comfort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, pablo said: Eh? Why would they have to? I'm not suggesting the UK would send the troops in FFS. But, there would be nothing to stop the UK saying they would neither help nor hinder Scotland if they decided to leave after winning this "de facto referendum " after the next GE. It wouldn't be accepted by the international community and the country would fall to bits almost immediately. Not having to pay back 8% or something of the national debt would be little comfort. If Scotland votes heavily in favour im sorry something has to give. The rU.K. does not have the option of doing nothing. It’s ludicrous to suggest so. We aren’t Catalonia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, pablo said: Eh? Why would they have to? I'm not suggesting the UK would send the troops in FFS. But, there would be nothing to stop the UK saying they would neither help nor hinder Scotland if they decided to leave after winning this "de facto referendum " after the next GE. It wouldn't be accepted by the international community and the country would fall to bits almost immediately. Not having to pay back 8% or something of the national debt would be little comfort. The de facto refer at the next GE is an absolute joke. Its pie in the sky stuff. Ironically there's a strong chance they wont get as many seats if they do pursue this mad strategy. Its desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: If Scotland votes heavily in favour im sorry something has to give. The rU.K. does not have the option of doing nothing. It’s ludicrous to suggest so. We aren’t Catalonia. A GE election is to vote for MPs to sit in parliament . its not an Indy vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: A GE election is to vote for MPs to sit in parliament . its not an Indy vote. I’m well aware james. This was suggested a few years ago though by Wings if S30’s were denied. In what other way can we show it’s what we want and they’re denying legal routes? If it gets a big majority the British govt cannot ignore this. It’s absolutely ludicrous to suggest they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, jack D and coke said: I’m well aware james. This was suggested a few years ago though by Wings if S30’s were denied. In what other way can we show it’s what we want and they’re denying legal routes? If it gets a big majority the British govt cannot ignore this. It’s absolutely ludicrous to suggest they can. define a " big majority" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: define a " big majority" ? Pretty much anything over 50% is all it takes really. But if it was to be 55% for example that’s certainly big enough. Or it was when 55 was for No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Pretty much anything over 50% is all it takes really. But if it was to be 55% for example that’s certainly big enough. Or it was when 55 was for No. Yes the 55 was in a legal referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: Yes the 55 was in a legal referendum. I know. My point is if they keep saying No to a S30 what other route is there to to show the support for it? Im not arguing the ins and outs of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: I’m well aware james. This was suggested a few years ago though by Wings if S30’s were denied. In what other way can we show it’s what we want and they’re denying legal routes? If it gets a big majority the British govt cannot ignore this. It’s absolutely ludicrous to suggest they can. What’s Paul Mcartney got to do with the price of tea in China ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: What’s Paul Mcartney got to do with the price of tea in China ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: What’s Paul Mcartney got to do with the price of tea in China ? We’re going to ban him from singing Mull of Kintyre after independence unless he pays us all a fiver each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, pablo said: I'm sure the UK would survive, but if Scotland were to leave I don't see why the UK would have to accept the break up of the territorial integrity of the country? In terms of negotiation. I'm talking about secession without the granting of a Section 30. Should have made that clear. Did they not give up the territorial integrity of NI during Brexit or is that still being discussed? Edited August 31, 2022 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: define a " big majority" ? About 8" of the 10 available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: We’re going to ban him from singing Mull of Kintyre after independence unless he pays us all a fiver each. Nae Linda McCartney veggie pish either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: We’re going to ban him from singing Mull of Kintyre after independence unless he pays us all a fiver each. Oh god that song never off the radio when I was a nipper. Hated it then , hated it now . For some reason it always gets me upset . Not teary but just find it really depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 49 minutes ago, Dirk McClaymore said: About 8" of the 10 available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 **** me, just hold a vote and then we can end this pish and kill this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 hours ago, jack D and coke said: If Scotland votes heavily in favour im sorry something has to give. The rU.K. does not have the option of doing nothing. It’s ludicrous to suggest so. We aren’t Catalonia. And the International Community would absolutely love that! A separatist party declaring UDI for a region (in the context of a UK election) after getting 50%+1vote in a GE. Like it or not, NATO, UN, EU et al considers the UK a single entity. It would set a precedent none of them would welcome and we'd become an International pariah overnight. That's before we face Day 1 with no currency, no working state infrastructure, no trade deals...nothing. You're on the right track with it being ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, pablo said: And the International Community would absolutely love that! A separatist party declaring UDI for a region (in the context of a UK election) after getting 50%+1vote in a GE. Like it or not, NATO, UN, EU et al considers the UK a single entity. It would set a precedent none of them would welcome and we'd become an International pariah overnight. That's before we face Day 1 with no currency, no working state infrastructure, no trade deals...nothing. You're on the right track with it being ludicrous. Who said anything about UDI? It’s about entering a discussion after that. Saying no to any negotiations altogether isn’t a sustainable position. It’ll only add more digits to Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: Who said anything about UDI? It’s about entering a discussion after that. Saying no to any negotiations altogether isn’t a sustainable position. It’ll only add more digits to Yes. You honestly believe the UK government will enter into discussion with the SNP after the next GE whatever the result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, pablo said: And the International Community would absolutely love that! A separatist party declaring UDI for a region (in the context of a UK election) after getting 50%+1vote in a GE. Like it or not, NATO, UN, EU et al considers the UK a single entity. It would set a precedent none of them would welcome and we'd become an International pariah overnight. That's before we face Day 1 with no currency, no working state infrastructure, no trade deals...nothing. You're on the right track with it being ludicrous. You: Indie supporters reaction to your word slad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Konrad von Carstein said: You: Indie supporters reaction to your word slad: Ha ha..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: **** me, just hold a vote and then we can end this pish and kill this thread. 🤣🤣there’s days I wish I never posted anything but you can’t let someone get the last word eh. 46 minutes ago, pablo said: You honestly believe the UK government will enter into discussion with the SNP after the next GE whatever the result? I’ve no idea but in theory if the SC ruling says No they can bang that drum for a while. Then Truss comes in and ignores NS and they can bang that drum also and then who knows. If Truss is an utter disaster it all plays into their hands. Then just say the SNP trounce everyone and take every seat after saying right through the campaign what it’s for what do you think? Foolish to think they can ignore it man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 53 minutes ago, jack D and coke said: 🤣🤣there’s days I wish I never posted anything but you can’t let someone get the last word eh. I’ve no idea but in theory if the SC ruling says No they can bang that drum for a while. Then Truss comes in and ignores NS and they can bang that drum also and then who knows. If Truss is an utter disaster it all plays into their hands. Then just say the SNP trounce everyone and take every seat after saying right through the campaign what it’s for what do you think? Foolish to think they can ignore it man. If the SNP campaign purely on an independence ticket and get a clean sweep, it would be impossible for the UK government to ignore that. The Tory’s are ignorant enough to try but it would be completely out of order. It’s a big risk campaigning purely on an independence ticket though. Society has a hell of a lot of problems and people might want to here a hell of a lot more policy than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ainsley Harriott Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Can wait to see the Nats foaming at the mouth when our new leader is sworn in by the Queen in Scotland tomorrow 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Can wait to see the Nats foaming at the mouth when our new leader is sworn in by the Queen in Scotland tomorrow 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 They may be too busy laughing to get upset. Betty's not well enough for this but even she will be chuckling at the state of the new incumbent ! ” Get Bond, this is an imbecile ! “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Can wait to see the Nats foaming at the mouth when our new leader is sworn in by the Queen in Scotland tomorrow 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 I'm laughing just now. 🤣Another idiot at Westminster, when will it stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: I'm laughing just now. 🤣Another idiot at Westminster, when will it stop? Thankfully an idiot with far more influence over the future of Scotland than the idiots running the Scottish Government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Thankfully an idiot with far more influence over the future of Scotland than the idiots running the Scottish Government Please don't stop being you! Amusing if not deluded but then again you're a Britnat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Please don't stop being you! Amusing if not deluded but then again you're a Britnat. Yaasssss BritNat, Yoon next time perhaps? Or is it to be NawBag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 😂 This will rumble on no doubt ! Anyway, folks, I'm off. No more message boards for the Boabster. Too much to see and do at this juncture of my existence ! To all I've debated with, even the trolls, take care eh ! Bye. Boab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Hasta La vista Boaby enjoy 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 37 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said: Yaasssss BritNat, Yoon next time perhaps? Or is it to be NawBag? You believe in the nationhood of Britain whatever that is so Britnat. I believe in Scottish nationhood so I'm a Scotnat, Braveheart, Yesser etc, etc. Only a name bud, don't get too precious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: You believe in the nationhood of Britain whatever that is so Britnat. I believe in Scottish nationhood so I'm a Scotnat, Braveheart, Yesser etc, etc. Only a name bud, don't get too precious. I like separatist, or splitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roxy Hearts Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Smithee said: I like separatist, or splitter They'll do too. Can't wait to hear what plans that moron Truss has for Scotland. More insults, I expect, that the Britnats and cringers will lap up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Sturgeons dangle berries sums up the smurfs better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: Please don't stop being you! Amusing if not deluded but then again you're a Britnat. One that is unaware of the constituent parts of Great Britain 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: One that is unaware of the constituent parts of Great Britain 😂 Yep 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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