2021 Scottish Parliament Election (Thursday 6th May 2021)

[XB52]

6000 majority for the blue tories over the red tories 

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Barack said:

As I said. The flipping of that in political terms, is massive. 

 

An utter kick in the face for Starmer & Labour. 

Not really. Ukip and brexit party voters just voted for a different set of fascists. Labour should have lost in 2019. 

 

 

Now Boris, when the SNP come calling, would you rather democracy was the issue or going by NI, do you enjoy civil unrest. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by ri Alban

[pablo]

 

7 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

Indeed. It’s a huge Labour area traditionally and that combined that sitting parties generally do terrible at by elections. Combined with the COVID pandemic, it’s pretty surprising and very unusual. 
 

A element of the tories getting brexit votes it appears has helped. 

 

Labour has pretty much been a disaster since the Tony Blair days. I have no idea what they do to start to appealing to voters 

 

What is Labour anymore? I heard it described recently as two parties within one. The pro-remain affluent metropolitan of the Islington and Didsbury set on side, and the abandoned hopelessness of the people in places like Hartlepool. Both sides despise each other, although only those without hope will admit it.

 

Sounds about right to me.

[ri Alban]

24 minutes ago, Barack said:

Mate, I know you're disdain. I get it, & I'm not exactly on the Tory bus either.

 

But that' gone from 9k Labour majority I think it was, to 6k Tory. Any political party getting that much of a kicking, should be acknowledging it. The candidate in fairness to him, already is. Starmer needs to do the same, in the same manner Boris will be cheesing his face off. 

 

They have to learn. He has to become an opposition leader. His cosy manner will see him out very soon, if not. There's just not the talent or appeal factor (Miliband or Burnham maybe) there. 

 

I'd expect more losses for them in England by the weekend.

What do people expect from starmer, he could not exactly go against the government during the last year, he'd have lost more heavily. 

He can now regroup and push for the inquiries /enquiries and sit and watch as Dominic Cummings puts Boris in gaol. 

 

3500k lead overturned. Btw. 

Labour 15400ish

Tory 11900ish

Brexit party 10000+

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Hartlepool_by-election

 

Anti brexit is labour's Thatcher's destruction. May take while to recover, unless Brexit starts taking food from their mouths. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by ri Alban

[JudyJudyJudy]

Like I have said before even if the Tories ordered a diktat to kill evert first born child at dawn a la Herod they would still get in ! Wtf is wrong with people ? It’s just evidences a widening chasm between the rich and poor really . And the Stockholm syndrome of those working classes who voted for them Plus Starmer is hopeless . Always liked JC 

[JudyJudyJudy]

9 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

I think your first question is probably the crux of the issue. The ‘traditional’ labour voter was about worker rights, strong union power and was very much positioned as a ‘working class’ party.

 

The world has changed and those principals aren’t as valid as they were a number of years ago. We no longer have the divide of  ‘Woking class’ and ‘upper class’ we have swathes of people in the middle classes, with a few at the extreme. Labour are fundamentally failing to appeal to the middle classes. Whilst the tories are just as popular with the working classes as labour.

 

You want to win elections, middle classes, is a major demographic as they present the voters are much likely to be floaters. 

 

Something that ‘new labour’ managed to do very easily and that was down to changing there economic views and becoming more centric. This proved incredibly popular, mainly because it appealed to the middle classes. Whilst, enabling the ‘working classes’ to  view themselves upwardly mobile. 

 

If you want to win something you need to understand the people you have to persuade, Something labour are failing to do imo.

 

Your bang on about the infighting as well.

 

 

Not sure about that, albeit I accept that there is a widen gap between the ‘;rich’ and ‘poor’. I think the issue is the tories effectively are a lot more appealing to the middle classes particularly down south than people want to admit.

 

Voters, in the main, vote out of self interest if you refuse to appeal to a large chunk of the electorate its not surprising you do poorly at the ballot box.

 

People get caught up in how they view the tories, that is clearly not how the majority in this country view them. Considering, how successful they are at the ballot box. Even in Scotland, where they are hated they are the second most popular party and even at their worst poll about a third of Scotland.

 

The hatred of tories is massively over played by those who hate them most imo. 

 

 

I take on Board your points . At the 2017 election Labour won 50 % of The. vote in Hartlepool . This was with JC as leader . So there was an appetite then for socialism . I think May only had a Narrow majority and was there for the taking but JC balls it up by sitting on the fence regarding Brexit which became his Achilles heel . Starmer should never have replaced JC in my opinion but we are where we are now . Clearly the Tories must appeal to huge swathes of the population and that’s fine . It’s a democracy . It’s now up to Labour to try and it identify what they are doing right to garner such appeal ? Maybe in general politics is veering right ? Just a natural evolution 

Edited May 7, 2021 by JamesM48

[dobmisterdobster]

Something that isn't talked about is that Hartlepool is a predominantly a suburban seat.

Suburbs are crucial for any party wanting to win power and Labour aren't winning them anymore.

[Jeffros Furios]

This may not be pleasant reading but when you have  had social decay under  Labour for decades and the local population get refugees, blm and how bad whitey was in colonial times rammed down thier throats , they are going to vote for the alternative. 

We know the Tories don't care about refugees,  foreign aid etc and neither does a lot of the electorate .

These people aren't Tories they just want change and with Brexit they feel a pull to the Tories .

Diane Abbot tweeting about Corbyn and the Unions wanting someone left wing only confirms Labour inability to read the room .

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

I don’t think politics are veering right, i think the political spectrum is narrowing. There is a variety of reasons for that. Economically, parties find themselves much more aligned nowadays. Whilst, certain social conventions exist now, which are about managing that something new or different.

 

The must revolutionary notion from political parties in UKL is probably breaking up the UK.

 

Policy wise they are much aligned that people believe.

Disagree . jC had a fairly radical socialist manifesto in 2017 and did very well so there is still an appetite for “ left wing “ policies . 

[Jeffros Furios]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Disagree . jC had a fairly radical socialist manifesto in 2017 and did very well so there is still an appetite for “ left wing “ policies . 

JC got annihilated in Northern England 2019 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, Jeffros Furios said:

JC got annihilated in Northern England 2019 

Yes that us true but I’m taking about 2017 ! 

[Jeffros Furios]

Just now, JamesM48 said:

Yes that us true but I’m taking about 2017 ! 

Maybe traditional Labour voters gave him  a chance in 2017 and by 2019 has enough of watching Labour Party Conference members waving Palestine flags and slavering about Mosleys brownshirts .

The vast majority of normal working class people don't give a shit about Palestine they have their own issues to deal with .

Sorry for the rant James but Labour have failed to read the electorate and took them for granted for too long .

[Harry Potter]

No scottish results till the morra😧

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

Maybe traditional Labour voters gave him  a chance in 2017 and by 2019 has enough of watching Labour Party Conference members waving Palestine flags and slavering about Mosleys brownshirts .

The vast majority of normal working class people don't give a shit about Palestine they have their own issues to deal with .

Sorry for the rant James but Labour have failed to read the electorate and took them for granted for too long .

I care about Palestine 🇵🇸 but do understand it isn’t on everyone’s agenda and do get that Labour misread the mood in 2019 but I still think their manifesto was something to be proud of. I think JC was / is a great principled man and much like that other JC was crucified , but by the media . That’s the past now so deck knows what Labour have to do know to appeal to voters ? 

[SectionDJambo]

It seems that, such is the state of British politics, the electorate doesn't care about the integrity of it's politicians anymore. We are well used to politians being economical with the truth. The current UK Prime Minister has taken this to a new level, wherby he does what he likes then evades scrutinity by not fronting up for press interviews. The covid pressers and PMQs are easily dealt with by the one question rules allowing him to just waffle about something else.

When the Daily Mail highlights a Conservative PMs dodgy financial dealings, which may leave him open to returning favours against the national interests, you know that something stinks. Our own First Minister also seems to have a selective memory, but at least she has made herself available to the press for proper scrutiny. 

But many people don't care and vote for him anyway. Maybe it's lingering  nationalism after Brexit. Maybe Corbyn has caused more damage to Labour than previously thought. 

I believe that Johnson will preside over the separation of Scotland from the UK. Scottish people, in the main, cannot stand him and will eventually see independence as the only way to get rid of him.

I believe that a majority of English people would be happy for Scotland to be independent too, as they think they subsidise us to their detriment. Johnson and his Rule Britannia mates must also know that if Scotland is taken out of future General Elections they will be in power for years to come. They will only lose out on one or two seats at WM.

[Unknown user]

49 minutes ago, Lord BJ said:

 

I don’t think politics are veering right, i think the political spectrum is narrowing. There is a variety of reasons for that. Economically, parties find themselves much more aligned nowadays. Whilst, certain social conventions exist now, which are about managing that something new or different.

 

The must revolutionary notion from political parties in UKL is probably breaking up the UK.

 

Policy wise they are much aligned that people believe.

I think both are true, very much so

[Unknown user]

The absolute ****ing nick of England

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 hours ago, jonesy said:

Wondered that too. Heard some political nonsense from a car/loudspeaker up Causewayside today. Then came home to Catriona McDonald's face smiling up at me from the carpet behind the door.

I have found a new thrill lately ! As soon as I get a flyer though the door and if I’m at home I tend to quickly pick it up and then open door and throw it on the floor outside the Door so they will see it after they have went upstairs to other neighbours . It gives me satisfaction anyway ! 😂 rather childish I know . I then ensure  I don’t litter the stair as I pick them up again as they can be good roach material depending which party flyer it it ofcourse 👍

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

It seems that, such is the state of British politics, the electorate doesn't care about the integrity of it's politicians anymore. We are well used to politians being economical with the truth. The current UK Prime Minister has taken this to a new level, wherby he does what he likes then evades scrutinity by not fronting up for press interviews. The covid pressers and PMQs are easily dealt with by the one question rules allowing him to just waffle about something else.

When the Daily Mail highlights a Conservative PMs dodgy financial dealings, which may leave him open to returning favours against the national interests, you know that something stinks. Our own First Minister also seems to have a selective memory, but at least she has made herself available to the press for proper scrutiny. 

But many people don't care and vote for him anyway. Maybe it's lingering  nationalism after Brexit. Maybe Corbyn has caused more damage to Labour than previously thought. 

I believe that Johnson will preside over the separation of Scotland from the UK. Scottish people, in the main, cannot stand him and will eventually see independence as the only way to get rid of him.

I believe that a majority of English people would be happy for Scotland to be independent too, as they think they subsidise us to their detriment. Johnson and his Rule Britannia mates must also know that if Scotland is taken out of future General Elections they will be in power for years to come. They will only lose out on one or two seats at WM.

Great post 

[JudyJudyJudy]

15 minutes ago, Barack said:

The fact that many people ranting on Twitter, are ranting about the fact that people have been ranting on Twitter, about the fact that Corbyn was vilified on Twitter and is the downfall of Labour...is quite ironically Machiavellian.

I struggled to follow that 😂

[Craig_]

3 minutes ago, Smithee said:

The absolute ****ing nick of England

 

Incredible, isn't it? I've come to the conclusion that the difference between Scotland and England is that we take our self-loathing out on ourselves, whereas the English project it onto others.

[Prince Buaben]

[Ainsley Harriott]

Latest predictions are SNP to miss out on a majority by 1 seat. Fingers crossed it's true it will put indy on ice for 5 years.

[Prince Buaben]

10 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Latest predictions are SNP to miss out on a majority by 1 seat. Fingers crossed it's true it will put indy on ice for 5 years.

 

Alba and Greens will help out

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, Craig_ said:

 

Incredible, isn't it? I've come to the conclusion that the difference between Scotland and England is that we take our self-loathing out on ourselves, whereas the English project it onto others.

Boris could bum a puppy on air and their vote would go up

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Barack said:

I struggled to post it.

Lol 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Just now, Prince Buaben said:

 

Alba and Greens will help out

She knows herself it's dead in the water just like 2016. All hinges on this one 

[JackLadd]

A real shame the northern English don't have an SNP bribe n lie vote option. That said if the SepNP win they will do much better per head as we suffer the biggest reality check in history. 

[Ainsley Harriott]

1 minute ago, Smithee said:

Boris could bum a puppy on air and their vote would go up

Nicola Sturgeon could mislead parliament, attempt to jail her old boss and suffer from amnesia and you would still vote for her.

[manaliveits105]

The "supermajority"  The liar The sex pest and the minnion - what a treat that would be for the country

[Unknown user]

Just now, Ainsley Harriott said:

Nicola Sturgeon could mislead parliament, attempt to jail her old boss and suffer from amnesia and you would still vote for her.

I didn't vote for her

[manaliveits105]

1 minute ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Nicola Sturgeon could mislead parliament, attempt to jail her old boss and suffer from amnesia and you would still vote for her.

No thats too far fetched ....

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

I'm not a political analyst but I see this as being the English National Party (Conservative Party) versus the Scottish National Party (SNP).

 

Labour are down the shitter never to return. 

 

Is this a fair synopsis ?

Aye 

[JackLadd]

Just now, manaliveits105 said:

The "supermajority"  The liar The sex pest and the minnion - what a treat that would be for the country

 

A tartan triumvirate to rival Caesar, Pompey and Crasus surely. 

[The Old Tolbooth]

2 hours ago, ri Alban said:

David Milliband needs his arse kicked into the leader job. But saying that, it's a bit early to judge Keir Starmer. 

The Tories will no doubt Hibsit, as they always do when they get a bit complacent. 

 

Working class tory voters(especially born in Scotland) should see a mirror. 

 

The Tories can Hibsit it as much as they like, England are turning very right wing and without Scotland's labour vote, they'll never be in power again down there, Labour are so bad that even the Tories can't Hibsit any time soon! 

[Prince Buaben]

12 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

That prick needs pricked....

 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

Cheers James. 

 

Watch out Huw Edwards. Jonno is looking for your job.

You would do a better job than that crawling ^^^^ 

[JackLadd]

4 minutes ago, Smithee said:

I didn't vote for her

 

Albaman candidate take your fancy?

[John Findlay]

3 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

Didn't that chinless wonder Cameron not do something with a pig when he was at Eton ? 

Aye he married it😉

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

 

I heard on the radio that Laura Kuenssberg was a Tory member in her youth.

And now she just sucks Tory members ? Funny how life turns out 

[JackLadd]

Hartlepool voted 66% leave and have now overwhelmingly turfed out the socialists. That's what you get when you don't have a wha's like us bribe n lie party brainwashing the proletariat with buffoonery. Exact same will happen here when the bribes vanish overnight. Blow up Boris's in snp Scumdee and the Weedge heartlands. 

[SectionDJambo]

26 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said:

I'm not a political analyst but I see this as being the English National Party (Conservative Party) versus the Scottish National Party (SNP).

 

Labour are down the shitter never to return. 

 

Is this a fair synopsis ?

I reckon so.

In my opinion English nationalism is as big a threat to the union as Scottish nationalism.

 

[Unknown user]

Just now, SectionDJambo said:

I reckon so.

In my opinion English nationalism is as big a threat to the union as Scottish nationalism.

 

I hope they get a bloody move on

[Spitonastranger]

40 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Latest predictions are SNP to miss out on a majority by 1 seat. Fingers crossed it's true it will put indy on ice for 5 years.

You dont understand Politics do you and how coalitions work. Its coming  and to be honest i would rather have it with other parties involved on how our independance is shaped. 

[JackLadd]

1 minute ago, Spitonastranger said:

You dont understand Politics do you and how coalitions work. Its coming  and to be honest i would rather have it with other parties involved on how our independance is shaped. 

 

You can't even spell independence you numpty. 

[Spitonastranger]

Just now, JackLadd said:

 

You can't even spell independence you numpty. 

You cant even spell no ya numpty 

[Ainsley Harriott]

1 minute ago, Spitonastranger said:

You dont understand Politics do you and how coalitions work. Its coming  and to be honest i would rather have it with other parties involved on how our independance is shaped. 

Didn't happen after 2016 did it? A few list seats from the gardening and bicycle party. Polls could be wrong though she may still get her majority. I'm not against the idea of indyref 2 so long as the result is actually honoured this time

[John Findlay]

I take it there wasnt a monkey standing in Hartlepool?

[JackLadd]

1 minute ago, Spitonastranger said:

You cant even spell no ya numpty 

 

Thought you'd appreciate some Scots you unlettered self hater. 

[Mars plastic]

22 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

Hartlepool voted 66% leave and have now overwhelmingly turfed out the socialists. That's what you get when you don't have a wha's like us bribe n lie party brainwashing the proletariat with buffoonery. Exact same will happen here when the bribes vanish overnight. Blow up Boris's in snp Scumdee and the Weedge heartlands. 

Wha's like us bribe n lie party

 

The Socialist. Wants everything you have except your job.