2021 Scottish Parliament Election (Thursday 6th May 2021)

[Konrad von Carstein]

9 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

You can't even spell independence you numpty. 

Says the man that can't spell Crassus...

 

[Boab]

11 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

I take it there wasnt a monkey standing in Hartlepool?

On the gallows maybe, John.

 

 

[John Findlay]

Just now, Boab said:

On the gallows maybe, John.

 

 

Yeah i think there was quite a few want to be politicians hanging about

In Hartlepool yesterday.

[Boab]

3 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Yeah i think there was quite a few want to be politicians hanging about

In Hartlepool yesterday.

Many toons have a claim to fame. Hanging a monkey is up there with the best !

[JimmyCant]

1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Latest predictions are SNP to miss out on a majority by 1 seat. Fingers crossed it's true it will put indy on ice for 5 years.

You’ve got an hour or so to go and swot up and get a grasp of the Scottish electoral system and the Scottish political landscape. Hurry along now or you’ll miss the start of the pro Indy landslide. Or you can sit there with your fingers crossed blindly hoping that Boris and Dougie feck this country into the ground for the next 20 years

Edited May 7, 2021 by JimmyCant

[Mikey1874]

1 hour ago, jonnothejambo said:

I'm not a political analyst but I see this as being the English National Party (Conservative Party) versus the Scottish National Party (SNP).

 

Labour are down the shitter never to return. 

 

Is this a fair synopsis ?

 

Labour have big challenges.

 

But what would you have said 20 years ago? Things change.

 

The only consistency in British politics is Conservative Governments. 

[Ainsley Harriott]

7 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

You’ve got an hour or so to go and swot up and get a grasp of the Scottish electoral system and the Scottish political landscape. Hurry along now or you’ll miss the start of the pro Indy landslide. Or you can sit there with your fingers crossed blindly hoping that Boris and Dougie feck this country into the ground for the next 20 years

The same way the pro indy parliament delivered indyref 2 after 2016? You gullible fools keep voting them in and they string you along.

[JimmyCant]

2 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

The same way the pro indy parliament delivered indyref 2 after 2016? You gullible fools keep voting them in and they string you along.

Indyref 2 was barely mentioned in 2016 and certainly wasn’t a real possibility even in nationalist quarters

[Mikey1874]

The obsession with a majority of seats is mistaken. 

 

The polls are a better guide re the timing of a Referendum.

 

Nicola said she wanted 60% to give a clear mandate. 

[Ainsley Harriott]

7 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Indyref 2 was barely mentioned in 2016 and certainly wasn’t a real possibility even in nationalist quarters

😂😂😂😂

[redjambo]

5 hours ago, XB52 said:

As England lurches further and further right, more and more people must realise that we have to break away from them and leave them to it. 

 

My thoughts exactly, XB52.

[luckydug]

12 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Labour have big challenges.

 

But what would you have said 20 years ago? Things change.

 

The only consistency in British politics is Conservative Governments. 

40 years ago people were saying the Labour Party were unelectable. 

20 years ago people were saying the Tories were unelectable. 

Today people are saying Labour are unelectable. 

Things change. 

Even in my constituency new private housing developments have changed the political landscape, people come and go populations change, values change. 

One day the people of England will rediscover their social conscious and things will change again, it always does. 

[redjambo]

Just now, luckydug said:

40 years ago people were saying the Labour Party were unelectable. 

20 years ago people were saying the Tories were unelectable. 

Today people are saying Labour are unelectable. 

Things change. 

Even in my constituency new private housing developments have changed the political landscape, people come and go populations change, values change. 

One day the people of England will rediscover their social conscious and things will change again, it always does. 

 

Yes, but how much damage will they do in the meantime?

[luckydug]

Just now, luckydug said:

40 years ago people were saying the Labour Party were unelectable. 

20 years ago people were saying the Tories were unelectable. 

Today people are saying Labour are unelectable. 

Things change. 

Even in my constituency new private housing developments have changed the political landscape, people come and go populations change, values change. 

One day the people of England will rediscover their social conscious and things will change again, it always does. 

In the meantime Scotland will have gone her own way.  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 

[luckydug]

1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Latest predictions are SNP to miss out on a majority by 1 seat. Fingers crossed it's true it will put indy on ice for 5 years.

SNP aren't the only party in favour of Independence. 

There is already an Independence majority at Holyrood the current vote is about to increase that majority. 

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

2 minutes ago, luckydug said:

SNP aren't the only party in favour of Independence. 

There is already an Independence majority at Holyrood the current vote is about to increase that majority. 

 

Good job the actual government have ruled out anymore referendums

[Spitonastranger]

1 hour ago, JackLadd said:

 

Thought you'd appreciate some Scots you unlettered self hater. 

From you i appreciate nothing, you  uneducated self hater

[Mars plastic]

Just now, luckydug said:

SNP aren't the only party in favour of Independence. 

There is already an Independence majority at Holyrood the current vote is about to increase that majority. 

 

Makes no odds if there is a majority in the Shortbread Senate, it’s the majority of the voting people of Scotland required, and I’m afraid when push comes to shove, we will vote the same way again, thankfully. 

[hughesie27]

Current situation in England.

 

 

[Boab]

25 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

The obsession with a majority of seats is mistaken. 

 

The polls are a better guide re the timing of a Referendum.

 

Nicola said she wanted 60% to give a clear mandate. 

Why 60% ?

I don’t get her thinking if, indeed, she said that.

If the polls show a majority for the pro-Indy parties, surely that’s a mandate to proceed with securing a referendum ?

So if the Nats, Greens and Alba have a majority in the polls, it’s a green light to proceed.

[Boab]

25 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

The obsession with a majority of seats is mistaken. 

 

The polls are a better guide re the timing of a Referendum.

 

Nicola said she wanted 60% to give a clear mandate. 

Why 60% ?

I don’t get her thinking if, indeed, she said that.

If the polls show a majority for the pro-Indy parties, surely that’s a mandate to proceed with securing a referendum ?

So if the Nats, Greens and Alba have a majority in the polls, it’s a green light to proceed.

[Boab]

25 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

The obsession with a majority of seats is mistaken. 

 

The polls are a better guide re the timing of a Referendum.

 

Nicola said she wanted 60% to give a clear mandate. 

Why 60% ?

I don’t get her thinking if, indeed, she said that.

If the polls show a majority for the pro-Indy parties, surely that’s a mandate to proceed with securing a referendum ?

So if the Nats, Greens and Alba have a majority in the polls, it’s a green light to proceed.

[Boab]

Bloody phone !

[Mikey1874]

5 minutes ago, Boab said:

Bloody phone !

 

It's a good question.

 

I don't think its fair to keep people to statements including 'once in a generation'.

 

Maybe Nicola wants Independence with a big majority to avoid years of division. The great thing about the votes to create a Scottish Parliament were they were decisive. 

[Boab]

22 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

It's a good question.

 

I don't think its fair to keep people to statements including 'once in a generation'.

 

Maybe Nicola wants Independence with a big majority to avoid years of division. The great thing about the votes to create a Scottish Parliament were they were decisive. 

I agree, mate, although I’m old enough to remember the 1979 referendum where there was a majority for it but it needed 40% of the electorate to vote yes and it fell short. 
It’s a funny old game, politics !

[Malinga the Swinga]

30 minutes ago, Boab said:

Why 60% ?

I don’t get her thinking if, indeed, she said that.

If the polls show a majority for the pro-Indy parties, surely that’s a mandate to proceed with securing a referendum ?

So if the Nats, Greens and Alba have a majority in the polls, it’s a green light to proceed.

Maybe because if the majority is small, the actual voting numbers would mean a 50/50 chance of her winning. If she wins 2 seats by 1 vote but loses 1 seat by 3, then the numbers don't stack up. 

If another referendum called and lost, then that might be opportunity gone forever and NS's career is over. 

People could also vote Green but may not necessarily vote for independence. 

Loads of questions to answer before they have balls to call referendum. It's a big call. 

[Boab]

9 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Maybe because if the majority is small, the actual voting numbers would mean a 50/50 chance of her winning. If she wins 2 seats by 1 vote but loses 1 seat by 3, then the numbers don't stack up. 

If another referendum called and lost, then that might be opportunity gone forever and NS's career is over. 

People could also vote Green but may not necessarily vote for independence. 

Loads of questions to answer before they have balls to call referendum. It's a big call. 

It is indeed. She’s no daft and try and will pick the most opportune moment to strike if the polls are favourable.

I will say though, and have already, that if the polls show a majority for pro-Indy parties, they will use it as a mandate. Who can blame them really ?

As sure as a cat’s a hairy beast, her opponents will use any lack of a majority to finally bury any 2nd Ref.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Boab

[manaliveits105]

54 minutes ago, Mars plastic said:

Makes no odds if there is a majority in the Shortbread Senate, it’s the majority of the voting people of Scotland required, and I’m afraid when push comes to shove, we will vote the same way again, thankfully. 

Ah know brilliant isn’t it 

[Boab]

1 minute ago, manaliveits105 said:

Ah know brilliant isn’t it 

If that’s the case, and people are so confident, accede to another Ref.

Bring it on, so to speak, or is that confidence mis-placed ?

[Jeffros Furios]

21 minutes ago, Boab said:

If that’s the case, and people are so confident, accede to another Ref.

Bring it on, so to speak, or is that confidence mis-placed ?

I'd rather we had a referendum in the next 18 months or so  , don't think I could handle say 3yrs of the constant bickering and propaganda from both sides .

[PortyJambo]

First result in, Lib Dem hold in Orkney. 5% swing from Lib Dem to SNP

[dtgj]

First results in - Lib Dems hold Orkney and SNP hold Aberdeen Donside. 

[Jeff]

1 minute ago, PortyJambo said:

First result in, Lib Dem hold in Orkney. 5% swing from Lib Dem to SNP

 

Water is wet.

 

What's the deal with Orkney and why do they always vote Lib Dems?

[Boab]

8 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

I'd rather we had a referendum in the next 18 months or so  , don't think I could handle say 3yrs of the constant bickering and propaganda from both sides .

Likewise. 
Thanks for the reply !

[redjambo]

7 minutes ago, Jeff said:

 

Water is wet.

 

What's the deal with Orkney and why do they always vote Lib Dems?

 

Solid representatives in both parliaments, imo, starting with Jo Grimond who served 33 years as the MP for Orkney and Shetland.

 

Edit: I've just had a look at the historic vote for Orkney & Shetland. It appears that the Northern Isles' favouring liberal politicians stretches further back than that, with a small Tory interlude. I'll see if I can find a similar one for Orkney and the Scottish parliament.

 

Edited May 7, 2021 by redjambo

[redjambo]

4 minutes ago, Barack said:

Aberdeen Donside in a near 7% swing towards Tory, despite SNP hold.

 

Can't see that impacting overall. But if that swing % replicates in a few other places, it should cause concern, imo.

 

There might have been a local effect from the Mark McDonald issue.

[indianajones]

Surprised by that. Aberdeenshire seems to be stout tory land just now. 

[dtgj]

Western Isles SNP hold. Small decrease for the SNP in vote share to Labour. 

[dtgj]

Clydebank SNP hold, although Labour gaining a lot of vote share. 

 

Good to see high turnout across the board so far too. 

[JackLadd]

Bribe n lie under some pressure from Labour methinks.

[dtgj]

Just now, Barack said:

5.8% swing to another Unionist party.

 

I just wonder like I say, if that's going to be a recurring theme. 

It is looking more like that. Think the Clydebank result is the best example of it. Others returned so far have some local matters to add to the mix. 

 

Might be part of the increased turnout rather than an example of people changing their votes. Guess we'll see as time goes on! 

[manaliveits105]

High turnouts usually work against snp - their share down in 3 out of 4 so far - squeaky bum time if continues nationally 

[redjambo]

Just now, Barack said:

5.8% swing to another Unionist party.

 

I just wonder like I say, if that's going to be a recurring theme. 

 

Early doors it appears so. I didn't expect that, to be honest.

[redjambo]

Whether independence parties gain an overall majority may well come down to how successful Green and Alba have been in attracting regional votes.

[JackLadd]

Boris man of the people.

[Boab]

Poor Willie Rennie. Foot in mouth again !

” What’s clear is that people have said they don’t want another referendum. “

4 results in !

Oh, Willie !

[Ron Burgundy]

Whatever happens the SNP need strong opposition and a boot in the hee haws to realise independence isn't top of most peoples minds as they try to get on with their lives.

[Unknown user]

5 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

 

I'm just glad the turnout appears to be well up. Healthy for the country, regardless of why and which party it benefits.

Agreed

[JackLadd]

Anas horribilis about to unfold for Nicoliar?

[Ron Burgundy]

Just now, JackLadd said:

Anas horribilis about to unfold for Nicoliar?

Keep your powder dry man FFS. 😄