Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, 1874robbo said: Thought you’d be gutted Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Eiffel Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Lee had his weaknesses but he could see a pass. Now we only have Irving and a bunch of hoofers. Opposition teams will mark out Irving and hoof balls will not work with Boyce as the target man as he will fall over. As for Halliday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 43 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: Bet they win though How much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, Alec Eiffel said: Lee had his weaknesses but he could see a pass. Now we only have Irving and a bunch of hoofers. Opposition teams will mark out Irving and hoof balls will not work with Boyce as the target man as he will fall over. As for Halliday... Nah, the opposite for me. Too much passing about. Need to go longer and collect the second balls more often. Very few hoofs today. We need more hoofs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Thank **** for Hibs to cheer us up. On the other hand it reminds me that’s a possible trophy we blew against bleedin Alloa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Sore one. Two new CBs please. Halkett has had enough chances now. Boyce despite his two today just doesn't seem up for the Championship. Credit to Raith, they played really well. Looked like a team with fresh legs after a long layoff. With a full Tynie we'd have won that no doubt, but no major damage done in the grand scheme of things and we get a quick chance for revenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Alec Eiffel said: Lee had his weaknesses but he could see a pass. Now we only have Irving and a bunch of hoofers. Opposition teams will mark out Irving and hoof balls will not work with Boyce as the target man as he will fall over. As for Halliday... A big part of the problem is it takes us far too long to move from defence to attack and get the ball effectively up the other end of the pitch. Lee was a part of that problem and wouldn’t have helped today. It’s players with the drive and determination of Ginelly that will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: On the other hand it reminds me that’s a possible trophy we blew against bleedin Alloa Aye, x40 for me and counting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Sore one. Two new CBs please. Halkett has had enough chances now. Boyce despite his two today just doesn't seem up for the Championship. Credit to Raith, they played really well. Looked like a team with fresh legs after a long layoff. With a full Tynie we'd have won that no doubt, but no major damage done in the grand scheme of things and we get a quick chance for revenge. We seem determined to sign strikers that aren’t suited to playing up top on their own then play them up front on their own. In theory the three behind him should be joining up the dots but with two wide and Naismith behind it just isn’t working out like that. Boyce needs a partner, Naismith would do and looked good in the few games that Stendel had them playing together. Edited January 23, 2021 by GinRummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Class of 75 said: Agree. They sign him and we get get Frear and Roberts Alarm bells ringing with the fact that Neilson has already made three horrendous signings. Pospecu Frear and Roberts. He had them on trial, watched them and gave them deals. I am sorry but wtf did he actually see there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said: Aye, x40 for me and counting. Having said that, 3 of the 4 semi finalists would probably have beaten us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said: Alarm bells ringing with the fact that Neilson has already made three horrendous signings. Pospecu Frear and Roberts. He had them on trial, watched them and gave them deals. I am sorry but wtf did he actually see there. He saw cheap, available, experienced at this level signings during a time of turmoil when we didn't even know when or if we'd be playing this season. And to be fair all 3 played their part in our good start to the season. I'd persist with Popescu for a but longer, he did well at St Mirren but we do need a big solid no nonsense stopper. Doubt we'll see Roberts again and Frear has had enough chances now. Imagine he'll be back-up or shipped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Having said that, 3 of the 4 semi finalists would probably have beaten us Dunno, I think we can beat anyone on our day but also lose to just about anyone as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Sore one. Two new CBs please. Halkett has had enough chances now. Boyce despite his two today just doesn't seem up for the Championship. Credit to Raith, they played really well. Looked like a team with fresh legs after a long layoff. With a full Tynie we'd have won that no doubt, but no major damage done in the grand scheme of things and we get a quick chance for revenge. Would never have been a full Tynie today but even if there was 15k there do you really think it would have made any difference? There’s never any atmosphere at these type of games anyway and the fans would’ve just got on the players’ backs with that kind of performance, might have been even worse! How did it work out for us last season with 16/17k fans when we were at home for must win games v Hamilton, Ross County, St Johnstone, etc? The problems from last season still haven’t been addressed, particularly central defence as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said: Alarm bells ringing with the fact that Neilson has already made three horrendous signings. Pospecu Frear and Roberts. He had them on trial, watched them and gave them deals. I am sorry but wtf did he actually see there. Not at all. He seen cheap replacements that would come to us in the championship, during covid and a shortened season. He also got Gordon, Kingsley, Gino and GMS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 59 minutes ago, 1874robbo said: Bet they win though Not looking like it. 3-0 now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 hours ago, sac said: Aye but everyone else says he can gtf but that’s ok Wanting him out of the team is one thing, wanting him injured is out of order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, GinRummy said: A big part of the problem is it takes us far too long to move from defence to attack and get the ball effectively up the other end of the pitch. Lee was a part of that problem and wouldn’t have helped today. It’s players with the drive and determination of Ginelly that will help. Yup but there's something else going on. I think we underestimate teams, Billy Big Baws syndrome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Not at all. He seen cheap replacements that would come to us in the championship, during covid and a shortened season. He also got Gordon, Kingsley, Gino and GMS. Kingsley for me the jury is out defensively. Worried that he’ll get found out big time next season. GMS, good signing on paper but posted missing today and will need to do an awful lot more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William H. Bonney Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/reaction-robbie-neilson-1-2-3-4-5-6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, upgotheheads said: Yup but there's something else going on. I think we underestimate teams, Billy Big Baws syndrome? Wouldn’t argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Gmcjambo said: I just don't get this - RN's approach seems to be to put the best players on the bench and bring them on 2nd half. Why not start with the strongest team, go out and dominate the opposition and get the game won? If Gino lasted 30 mins or the whole 1st half it's surely better. The lesser quality players then come on when the opposition are facing an uphill battle, and are tiring too. Perhaps a sign of RN's mentality, I don't know. Yep... sick of crap 1st half performances. It’s beginning to be a bit of a theme. Don’t know what their problem is but play the best team, as you say, from the first minute. This deciding to play when we’re 2/3 down is not good enough... and too much like last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Not at all. He seen cheap replacements that would come to us in the championship, during covid and a shortened season. He also got Gordon, Kingsley, Gino and GMS. Aye OK. The three of them are doing a grand job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: Yep... sick of crap 1st half performances. It’s beginning to be a bit of a theme. Don’t know what their problem is but play the best team, as you say, from the first minute. This deciding to play when we’re 2/3 down is not good enough... and too much like last season. We should be able to 'manage ' our squad but we should really be able to put out a second eleven that knows how to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best in the land Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said: Alarm bells ringing with the fact that Neilson has already made three horrendous signings. Pospecu Frear and Roberts. He had them on trial, watched them and gave them deals. I am sorry but wtf did he actually see there. Add halliday to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, best in the land said: Add halliday to that Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Having said that, 3 of the 4 semi finalists would probably have beaten us Clutching at straws there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 36 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Why? Silly question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Not at all. He seen cheap replacements that would come to us in the championship, during covid and a shortened season. He also got Gordon, Kingsley, Gino and GMS. Cmon mate. You can’t blame Covid and a shortened season for those signings. If anything Covid made better players available and the shortened season is an irrelevance since they get paid all year round. Our recruitment has been poor for years, not all of it Robbies fault by any means but he had literally months to get a squad together and he’s failed in 3 key areas. Central defence, wide midfield and up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 34 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Sore one. Two new CBs please. Halkett has had enough chances now. Boyce despite his two today just doesn't seem up for the Championship. Credit to Raith, they played really well. Looked like a team with fresh legs after a long layoff. With a full Tynie we'd have won that no doubt, but no major damage done in the grand scheme of things and we get a quick chance for revenge. I thought Tynie was the problem as it was too intense for our last lot of wee lambs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, GinRummy said: It’s the central defenders. They are just way off being good enough imo. The only time we’ve looked solid for a few games in a row is when smith has partnered someone. Brandon injury probably puts paid to any chance of that. Looking more and more like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, JimmyCant said: Cmon mate. You can’t blame Covid and a shortened season for those signings. If anything Covid made better players available and the shortened season is an irrelevance since they get paid all year round. Our recruitment has been poor for years, not all of it Robbies fault by any means but he had literally months to get a squad together and he’s failed in 3 key areas. Central defence, wide midfield and up front. Covid never made recruitment better ffs, we are missing out on millions and had relegation on top of that. Our recruitment this season will see us promoted, that is all it needs to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said: Aye OK. The three of them are doing a grand job. Our squad are doing their job , they are top of the league. Wouldn't say it was a grand job, although for 2 missed penalties I might have said they had done a grand job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: We should be able to 'manage ' our squad but we should really be able to put out a second eleven that knows how to compete. Yes, SHOULD... but for some reason, most of the time, the first half is pathetic. Teams find it easy to thwart us... I wish, whilst in the Championship, we could just go 2 up front (4-4-2), IMO of course. We definitely struggle with our formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Our squad are doing their job , they are top of the league. Wouldn't say it was a grand job, although for 2 missed penalties I might have said they had done a grand job. We ARE top and we WILL win it. But we shouldn’t be losing the games we’ve lost and we’re losing them meekly. Winning this league is NOT job done. It’s merely qualifying back to where we should be, and as it stands at the moment we’re miles off being ready for that. The big question is here - Do you trust Robbie Neilson to turn us back into a solid top six team - I don’t and there is good evidence why right in front of us. Edited January 23, 2021 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: We ARE top and we WILL win it. But we shouldn’t be losing the games we’ve lost and we’re losing them meekly. Winning this league is NOT job done. It’s merely qualifying back to where we should be, and as it stands at the moment we’re miles off being ready for that. The big question is here - Do you trust Robbie Neilson to turn us back into a solid top six team - I don’t and there is good evidence why right in front of us. It will be Robbies job done for this season. He has us third last time, so I'll give him the opportunity to build his own team and go from there. If teams never lost to teams they shouldn't we would never beat the OF or win a cup- ever. Football isn't like that and if folk want to go in the huff after every loss against a team that shouldn't be beating us then they'll likely have little or no joy supporting Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: Yes, SHOULD... but for some reason, most of the time, the first half is pathetic. Teams find it easy to thwart us... I wish, whilst in the Championship, we could just go 2 up front (4-4-2), IMO of course. We definitely struggle with our formation. Without talking up a team I have no time for, Steven Gerard puts out a side that goes hell for leather from the whistle. He is operating in a league where the difference in resources between Sevco and the rest except Celtic is even greater than us, but he doesn't mess about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shauncl Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 55 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Sore one. Two new CBs please. Halkett has had enough chances now. Boyce despite his two today just doesn't seem up for the Championship. Credit to Raith, they played really well. Looked like a team with fresh legs after a long layoff. With a full Tynie we'd have won that no doubt, but no major damage done in the grand scheme of things and we get a quick chance for revenge. Are you for real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: Without talking up a team I have no time for, Steven Gerard puts out a side that goes hell for leather from the whistle. He is operating in a league where the difference in resources between Sevco and the rest except Celtic is even greater than us, but he doesn't mess about. He also taken 3 years to get there...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: It will be Robbies job done for this season. He has us third last time, so I'll give him the opportunity to build his own team and go from there. If teams never lost to teams they shouldn't we would never beat the OF or win a cup- ever. Football isn't like that and if folk want to go in the huff after every loss against a team that shouldn't be beating us then they'll likely have little or no joy supporting Hearts. As we go backwards and backwards you keep saying the same things over and over and over again. Like a Budge stooge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: He also taken 3 years to get there...... His teams have always played like that, and I did say 'except Celtic' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 49 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Not at all. He seen cheap replacements that would come to us in the championship, during covid and a shortened season. He also got Gordon, Kingsley, Gino and GMS. I will be in the minority, but I don’t rate Kingsley. Good going forward and at set pieces... but a terrible defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftBack Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Get. Robertson. In Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Their drive and movement from midfield was much better. Get ball, turn and drive into space. We haven't got the legs to do it ourselves or to stop other teams from doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: Without talking up a team I have no time for, Steven Gerard puts out a side that goes hell for leather from the whistle. He is operating in a league where the difference in resources between Sevco and the rest except Celtic is even greater than us, but he doesn't mess about. We’ve definitely got the players to do this in the championship... Jim Jeffries used to do this with a 4-3-3. If we could get even 1 up early on, it would be enough to deflate most teams. Don’t know if RN is intentionally going for the cautious route early on,or if it’s an attitude thing... need it sorted out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 50 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: Yep... sick of crap 1st half performances. It’s beginning to be a bit of a theme. Don’t know what their problem is but play the best team, as you say, from the first minute. This deciding to play when we’re 2/3 down is not good enough... and too much like last season. Well, there was general approval of the starting 11 today, unlike last week. At least last week we won and were never behind, unlike this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennyjambo22 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, shauncl said: Are you for real A commanding centre half, a Colin Cameron type midfielder and a Kevin Kyle centre forward type and that should be the team complete 😂🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: It will be Robbies job done for this season. He has us third last time, so I'll give him the opportunity to build his own team and go from there. If teams never lost to teams they shouldn't we would never beat the OF or win a cup- ever. Football isn't like that and if folk want to go in the huff after every loss against a team that shouldn't be beating us then they'll likely have little or no joy supporting Hearts. Okay, you carry on with 100% blind support for yet another manager with clear and obvious shortcomings, just like you supported the last 2 till the day they left. Neilson finished 3rd in a league without Rangers and without Hibs. So ahead of utter dross and behind the only 2 decent teams in the league. It was the minimum acceptable position that season and in amongst his first reign he facilitated a Hibs cup win and produced our worst ever result in Europe by a long way. Neilson doesn’t beat close rivals. Neilson is a shitebag manager Neilson is tactically inept Neilson cannot motivate or manage senior professionals. Neilson often signs huddies And that’s just a few of his shortcomings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, The Treasurer said: But wishing an injury on a Hearts player is a disgrace You know exactly what I meant, so stop being a drama queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Okay, you carry on with 100% blind support for yet another manager with clear and obvious shortcomings, just like you supported the last 2 till the day they left. Neilson finished 3rd in a league without Rangers and without Hibs. So ahead of utter dross and behind the only 2 decent teams in the league. It was the minimum acceptable position that season and in amongst his first reign he facilitated a Hibs cup win and produced our worst ever result in Europe by a long way. Neilson doesn’t beat close rivals. Neilson is a shitebag manager Neilson is tactically inept Neilson cannot motivate or manage senior professionals. Neilson often signs huddies And that’s just a few of his shortcomings. Well said 👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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