***Official Dunfermline Athletic v Heart of Midlothian match thread ***

[Smith's right boot]

4 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

He’s still sitting watch them get a chance while shite because signed by the manager while he doesn’t get his. 

 

That makes no sense. 

Irving isn't up against them, if he's in the huff because we signed these two players then Tbh he can gtf, he won't make it as a footballer. 

I'm sure Frear and Johnston have zero influence on whether Irving signs a contract tho, my point was in regards to a poster singling Halliday out for a bad attitude and using Irving as an example as someone who wants to be and play  with us. 

[jambopilms]

Another thing I have said after ever game is one or two of the youngsters should be starting each game, if only for their energy and will to drive forward. They can't do any worse than the backwards thinking, half pace bunch that are currently starting games

[graygo]

8 minutes ago, haj said:

Weirdly I don’t feel pissed off after that. To a man it was a poor performance. Naismith looks like he’s reached the end of the road. But we’re not going to win every game and i’m very confident that over the course we’ll drop less points against the others than Dunfermline or anyone else for that matter.

 

Nope sorry that's not good enough, go and get your shit then lose it, it's the only way.

[Psychedelicropcircle]

We were waiting on the ball coming to us, Dunfermline we’re going to the ball.

[Smith's right boot]

3 minutes ago, Paulp74 said:

That what was said last season - we wont get relegated with our budget! 

 

And we'll never know if we would have 👍

[Thomaso]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

Tonight's performance wasn't good enough, no I didn't laugh at your prediction and no you haven't made a point.

I make that a 3-0 loss for you. 🤡

No Dunfermline have made a point.....

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, Madjambo21 said:

Maybe time to drop Naismith and have 2 wingers.

Harring fit is a must for me even though he has looked rusty when playing.

Boyce and Wighton up top.

 

Never easy being a Jambo but it makes the good times so much better HHGH👍😁

Might be too attacking for Neilson but Naismith in midfield beside Haring with that four ahead might work. 

[HMFC 86]

15 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Here's a radical though, ok maybe too out field for Robbie but how about we pass the ball to our own players and maybe try shooting from the edge of the box instead of trying to walk the ball into the net. Boyce and Naismith trying fancy flicks instead of taking control and shooting.

The feckin flicks annoy me too, amount of times we just lost possession. Sometimes just hold onto the ball and turn and have a shot or something 

[BarneyBattles]

15 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

That's was as bad as any Levein or Stendel team. Utterly woeful. Players throughout the team to slow over the ground, slow feet with the ball and slow of thought. Abject performance. If Robbie thinks this lot will coast the league he's having a giraffe. 

That’s how Robbie sets his teams up. 
 

Slow, turn back when you get the ball, pass back, play minimum strikers so we have no out ball. 

[Last Laff]

1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

That makes no sense. 

Irving isn't up against them, if he's in the huff because we signed these two players then Tbh he can gtf, he won't make it as a footballer. 

I'm sure Frear and Johnston have zero influence on whether Irving signs a contract tho, my point was in regards to a poster singling Halliday out for a bad attitude and using Irving as an example as someone who wants to be and play  with us. 

Yes it does.  They two huddies play because Neilson signed them.  They also keep two young, better players imo out the side not getting a chance.  If the young players aren’t getting a chance, and there’s no sign it will change, why would they trust management enough to sign on for longer? 

[jambopilms]

Just now, Pasquale for King said:

Might be too attacking for Neilson but Naismith in midfield beside Haring with that four ahead might work. 

Well done, you have just made the midfield even slower

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, jambopilms said:

Well done, you have just made the midfield even slower

It can’t get any slower, they’re all one paced. 

[Maroon 1874]

Just now, jambopilms said:

Another thing I have said after ever game is one or two of the youngsters should be starting each game, if only for their energy and will to drive forward. They can't do any worse than the backwards thinking, half pace bunch that are currently starting games

 

THIS!!! ... I have watched us this season being closed down by younger, hungrier kids who want to make a name/take a professional scalp for themselves and we as a team need to be wary of this

[Debut 4]

1 minute ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Every team we play is going to be up for it. We have to match that desire and frankly, on tonights showing, it aint going to happen.  Oddly I was thinking earlier that one of the pluses for us in 2014 was the fact sevco and the vermin were in the league. That meant the smaller teams would get fired up for those two potential scalps. Not so easy to do for them several times in pretty short order. This time it's us, and don't forget as much as we hate them for their self interest they probably hate us for a perceived sense of entitlement. 

Very much agree but why should we be questioning this?  It’s a worrying situation we are continually questioning the guts of a Hearts team. I never felt it would be the stroll this season like 14/15, I said as much in the build up, 

but I didn’t expect alarming performances like tonight.

 

Robbie is right in that we’ll lose sometime but I remember when we lost our unbeaten record to Falkirk in 14/15, we still pounded them that day. It was just “one of those days” out of character from a team you knew had all the fundamentals in place.  

[gowestjambo]

47 minutes ago, weegie jambo said:

We cant afford to play tippy tappy against teams like this. Hungry and in your face will win every time. I hate to say it but route one would have got a better result tonight.

 

It was like watching Levein's team. Lack of urgency, sideways and back passes. As soon as the oppossition closes us down we have no answer. This is a disjointed team, and our Manager has been out thought by his assistant....

[graygo]

4 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

No Dunfermline have made a point.....

 

Yes they did but that's not the point I responded to.

[Squirt]

Just now, graygo said:

 

Nope sorry that's not good enough, go and get your shit then lose it, it's the only way.

I’m normally pretty level headed I like to think and yeah, it’s all about going up and as long as we do that then fine, we’ll forget these results and all the meltdowns that come with them.

 

At the same time though we’re Hearts. We should be better than these teams and not only should we beat them but if we lose which is an inevitably in any sport we should still at least show some sort of glimpse of being the better side.

 

I like Robbie and won’t be calling for his head anytime soon but that wasn’t good enough tonight and the fault is with the manager and the players in equal measure and if ever there was a club that proves you can’t keep putting up with mediocrity then Hearts are it. 
 

To have the media talking in the build up about how we could potentially go unbeaten the whole season, to putting in a performance like that is just embarrassing and I’ll forgive any fans that are foaming at the mouth because I can absolutely see why.

 

A loss is fair enough, it’s football. But in that fashion with the squad, the budget and the infrastructure at our disposal isn’t good enough.

[Smith's right boot]

3 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

Yes it does.  They two huddies play because Neilson signed them.  They also keep two young, better players imo out the side not getting a chance.  If the young players aren’t getting a chance, and there’s no sign it will change, why would they trust management enough to sign on for longer? 

 

Irving isn't up against they 2.

Our wide youngsters were not good enough, so we signed new ones. 

Why the **** would Irving not sign a contract based on that? 

 

It's also irrelevant, either way if he's not signing a contract for whatever reason he's not the best example to use as " someone who wants to be here". 

 

 

 

[gowestjambo]

42 minutes ago, David Black said:

To the Robbie Neilson and Steven Naismith fan club. Have a long hard think. It's all coming back to me as to why I was glad to see RN leave before. Bar the Dundee game we have been shocking every game. I got so bored I switched off after 70 mins. it's like watching a CL team, boring. 

 

Nail on head. There is no discernable difference between last season to this. 30 minutes against Dundee and Hibs apart we are no better. Apart from signing 2 Wingers that would not get a game for a Sunday League team, we still have not addressed the most important part of the team - The midfield.

[jambopilms]

Any chance our forwards could just play off the shoulder of the CB and make runs in behind. Get their defence turned around and chasing us. Part time teams have worked that out

[Pasquale for King]

5 minutes ago, gowestjambo said:

 

It was like watching Levein's team. Lack of urgency, sideways and back passes. As soon as the oppossition closes us down we have no answer. This is a disjointed team, and our Manager has been out thought by his assistant....

Too many of his players who got us into last place and demoted, and years left on their contracts too. 

[Jambof3tornado]

39 minutes ago, upgotheheads said:

 

Frear did ok, this is his level, but Roberts has looked poor the last few times I've seen him, and he's on a long contract, Henderson is a better player. A few need dropped for Tuesday, I would rather have hard workers against teams like Alloa than fancy Dans who think they're too good for this league.

Frear did ok??? Really? I want everyone in maroon to succeed but he was garbage and hasnt kicked a ball for us yet. Roberts too.

 

Early days but we really need to.get top of the table ASAP just in case we shutdown again.

[Last Laff]

Just now, Smith's right boot said:

 

Irving isn't up against they 2.

Our wide youngsters were not good enough, so we signed new ones. 

Why the **** would Irving not sign a contract based on that? 

 

It's also irrelevant, either way if he's not signing a contract for whatever reason he's not the best example to use as " someone who wants to be here". 

 

 

 

You are now deliberately missing what I’m saying.  There are young, better players not getting a chance in the positions of Frear and Roberts that aren’t getting a chance. Irving also isn’t getting a chance, all for players brought in by the manager.  If they see the manager won’t be giving them game time or showing faith in them especially when they could contribute more then why would he think this club is best for his progression?  The answer? He won’t.  Perhaps if he was unlucky that better are in his role but sees other youngsters getting a first team chance then it might be different but right now they are all in the same boat while Neilsons signings who are playing to justify them signing are performing poorly. 

[luckydug]

That was a dreadful performance tonight. 

For a while it looked like it was going to be a re-run of that night at Livingston. 

Apart from the Dundee game we have struggled and tonight Dunfermline were well worth their win. They had bags of energy and gave their all. Our players just played backwards and sideways all night. 

Massive improvement needed if we are to have any chance of promotion. 

[Pasquale for King]

Just now, jambopilms said:

Any chance our forwards could just play off the shoulder of the CB and make runs in behind. Get their defence turned around and chasing us. Part time teams have worked that out

Boyce never ever does that,keeps on  dropping deep. Wighton would’ve but didn’t get the chance before being hooked. 

[Japan Jambo]

2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Irving isn't up against they 2.

Our wide youngsters were not good enough, so we signed new ones. 

Why the **** would Irving not sign a contract based on that? 

 

It's also irrelevant, either way if he's not signing a contract for whatever reason he's not the best example to use as " someone who wants to be here". 

 

 

 

 

when he came on we saw more urgency. under stendel he was thriving... only my opinion of course. suffice to say I have no knowledge of his contract situation, so I'll have to defer to your inside knowledge.

[Skacelsid]

The last time we were premiership players in the championship and we walked it, we are an ordinary championship team this time round. We never played poor tonight, we are poor. The warnings were there at Arbroath. Lee Frear Halliday Naismith as a midfield, Walker as an impact sub, really. The only chance any of this lot has of playing premiership football next season is winning this league, none would be in demand. This is our worst team in many a year. Players who could not battle last season are still here, and the most disappointing factor is the impact from Leveins great academy. Credit to Dunfermline who are very much what we will face every week, nothing special but who will play for the jersey. Big deal we beat Hibs, the cup is secondary to this league. Yes very disappointed, surprised no.

[Gambo]

14 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

That’s how Robbie sets his teams up. 
 

Slow, turn back when you get the ball, pass back, play minimum strikers so we have no out ball. 

The amount of times we get a free kick just inside opposition half and we play it back to centre half's is frustrating.

[Lambo85]

Maybe a wake up to all the “we’ll win this league at a canter” brigade tonight.

Apart from the Dundee game we having been absolutely dreadful so far this season and have been lucky to grind out results. 
Tonight has been coming and doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Hopefully a big wake up call to Robbie and all the players. Big response to this needed on Tuesday night.!

[Gambo]

3 minutes ago, Jap Jambo said:

 

when he came on we saw more urgency. under stendel he was thriving... only my opinion of course. suffice to say I have no knowledge of his contract situation, so I'll have to defer to your inside knowledge.

More urgency, we were 2-0 down ffs, I hope tf there was urgency. He was urgent to give it to opposition though, like a lot of others.

[Thomaso]

11 minutes ago, graygo said:

 

Yes they did but that's not the point I responded to.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the point you referred to was that Dunfermline would be our main rivals - does tonight’s game not suggest he had a point? 🤔

[Gambo]

1 minute ago, Lambo85 said:

Maybe a wake up to all the “we’ll win this league at a canter” brigade tonight.

Apart from the Dundee game we having been absolutely dreadful so far this season and have been lucky to grind out results. 
Tonight has been coming and doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Hopefully a big wake up call to Robbie and all the players. Big response to this needed on Tuesday night.!

A good manager would have seen the warning signs before waiting for a defeat.

[graygo]

1 minute ago, Squirt said:

I’m normally pretty level headed I like to think and yeah, it’s all about going up and as long as we do that then fine, we’ll forget these results and all the meltdowns that come with them.

 

At the same time though we’re Hearts. We should be better than these teams and not only should we beat them but if we lose which is an inevitably in any sport we should still at least show some sort of glimpse of being the better side.

 

I like Robbie and won’t be calling for his head anytime soon but that wasn’t good enough tonight and the fault is with the manager and the players in equal measure and if ever there was a club that proves you can’t keep putting up with mediocrity then Hearts are it. 
 

To have the media talking in the build up about how we could potentially go unbeaten the whole season, to putting in a performance like that is just embarrassing and I’ll forgive any fans that are foaming at the mouth because I can absolutely see why.

 

A loss is fair enough, it’s football. But in that fashion with the squad, the budget and the infrastructure at our disposal isn’t good enough.

 

We watch the game through maroon tinted glasses and expect to dominate a game like that and win with a few goals to spare and when that doesn't happen we lose our shit.

 

You claim you are pretty level headed and so do I, but I looked at the stats just before the end on Bet365 and they had us at 65% possession we had 9 corners to their 3 and shots at goal were about the same. Now we hit the bar a couple of times, we were away from home, we are playing with no supporters backing us and we all know how important we can be, we had a few players away on international duty this week and I must admit i don't know how many Dunfermline did. I'm not entirely excusing the result because we should be winning games like that, but we won't go the whole season unbeaten and I'd bet that if you had to pick a game that we might lose then Dunfermline away would be top of your list.

 

Prediction: We will win the league, some folk still won't be happy.

[Thomaso]

1 minute ago, graygo said:

 

We watch the game through maroon tinted glasses and expect to dominate a game like that and win with a few goals to spare and when that doesn't happen we lose our shit.

 

You claim you are pretty level headed and so do I, but I looked at the stats just before the end on Bet365 and they had us at 65% possession we had 9 corners to their 3 and shots at goal were about the same. Now we hit the bar a couple of times, we were away from home, we are playing with no supporters backing us and we all know how important we can be, we had a few players away on international duty this week and I must admit i don't know how many Dunfermline did. I'm not entirely excusing the result because we should be winning games like that, but we won't go the whole season unbeaten and I'd bet that if you had to pick a game that we might lose then Dunfermline away would be top of your list.

 

Prediction: We will win the league, some folk still won't be happy.

What Hearts fan would not be happy winning the league? 😳

[Pasquale for King]

5 minutes ago, Gambo said:

The amount of times we get a free kick just inside opposition half and we play it back to centre half's is frustrating.

Even tonight when Walker comes on, passes it back on the half way line and walks off up the field, just on and no urgency or wanting the ball. 

[graygo]

5 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the point you referred to was that Dunfermline would be our main rivals - does tonight’s game not suggest he had a point? 🤔

Not after 4 games. Are you saying we were Celtic's main rivals after 10 games with Kevin in charge?

 

No idea who Kevin is 😁. Levein

Edited November 20, 2020 by graygo

[Smith's right boot]

6 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

You are now deliberately missing what I’m saying.  There are young, better players not getting a chance in the positions of Frear and Roberts that aren’t getting a chance. Irving also isn’t getting a chance, all for players brought in by the manager.  If they see the manager won’t be giving them game time or showing faith in them especially when they could contribute more then why would he think this club is best for his progression?  The answer? He won’t.  Perhaps if he was unlucky that better are in his role but sees other youngsters getting a first team chance then it might be different but right now they are all in the same boat while Neilsons signings who are playing to justify them signing are performing poorly. 

 

 

Who's better than Frear or Roberts that we have in the youth? 

 

Your point is irrelevant, you responded to me in regards to another poster about using Irving as a good example of someone who wants to be here when slating Hallidays attitude. 

 

Neilsons signings hass us in the next round of the lc, a sc final and imo will win the league, easily. 

 

If Irving isn't signing a contract based on your reasons he can gtf in all honesty. However, the reasons you have given make no sense and will have bearing on him signing or not, and as this is a match thread I'm done with this debate. 

 

My original point was that using Irving as a good example of someone who wants to be here is questionable. That stands, whatever the reasons for not signing. 

 

 

[Jambof3tornado]

11 minutes ago, Jap Jambo said:

 

when he came on we saw more urgency. under stendel he was thriving... only my opinion of course. suffice to say I have no knowledge of his contract situation, so I'll have to defer to your inside knowledge.

I'd have had Irving on 10 minutes earlier. He made a difference to us.

[BarneyBattles]

1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said:

Even tonight when Walker comes on, passes it back on the half way line and walks off up the field, just on and no urgency or wanting the ball. 

There was loads of urgency when we were 2-0 down. Why is the no urgency when it’s 0-0?

 

That’s what ****s me off. 

[jambopilms]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Even tonight when Walker comes on, passes it back on the half way line and walks off up the field, just on and no urgency or wanting the ball. 

I saw that, if he's not coming on to drive is forward then why bother at all

[graygo]

4 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

What Hearts fan would not be happy winning the league? 😳

 

There's fecking loads mate, I'm not saying they won't be happy we won the league but there will be plenty not happy about how we won the league.

 

FFS we had some fans that were that unhappy the last time that they hired a plane.

[gowestjambo]

8 minutes ago, Gambo said:

A good manager would have seen the warning signs before waiting for a defeat.

 

Well we didnt go for a good Manager. We got Robbie Neilson, and he has picked up exactly where he left......

[luckydug]

3 minutes ago, Gambo said:

More urgency, we were 2-0 down ffs, I hope tf there was urgency. He was urgent to give it to opposition though, like a lot of others.

First thing Irving did when came on was to boot the ball into touch. 

Like his teammates he spent his time playing backwards and turning into trouble. 

 

 

 

 

 

[graygo]

2 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said:

There was loads of urgency when we were 2-0 down. Why is the no urgency when it’s 0-0?

 

That’s what ****s me off. 

 

Because urgency = panic = your game plan isn't going to work.

 

It's not rocket science, at 1-0 we still thought our game plan would see us win, at 2-0 it's bloody obvious that it's not.

[Smith's right boot]

13 minutes ago, Jap Jambo said:

 

when he came on we saw more urgency. under stendel he was thriving... only my opinion of course. suffice to say I have no knowledge of his contract situation, so I'll have to defer to your inside knowledge.

 

 

I have no inside knowledge. 

 

If you checked up rather than trying to be a smart arse, you'll see someone criticised Hallidays attitude and suggested Irving has a better one as "he wants to be here." 

 

I simply stated the fact he hasn't renewed his contract, so with that in mind he may not be the best example of a player with a attitude of someone who wants to be here when looking for comparisons. 

I stand by that. 

 

Whether he's good enough and should be playing is a different debate. 

 

I had no intention of discussing his contract. 

[graygo]

2 minutes ago, gowestjambo said:

 

Well we didnt go for a good Manager. We got Robbie Neilson, and he has picked up exactly where he left......

 

Robbie Neilson has won the league that we are desperate to win twice.

[Gambo]

2 minutes ago, luckydug said:

First thing Irving did when came on was to boot the ball into touch. 

Like his teammates he spent his time playing backwards and turning into trouble. 

 

 

 

 

 

Irving has youth on his side but has shown nothing this season to justify the clamour to have him in the team.

 

Gordon, Kingsley, Smith aside  the same could be said for the rest of squad and that is poor considering the opposition we have to face.

[Pasquale for King]

5 minutes ago, jambopilms said:

I saw that, if he's not coming on to drive is forward then why bother at all

I’m actually beginning to really dislike him, he’s always frustrated me because he makes the wrong choice at the wrong time constantly, but this waking football has me screaming at the tv. 

[Japan Jambo]

1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

I have no inside knowledge. 

 

If you checked up rather than trying to be a smart arse, you'll see someone criticised Hallidays attitude and suggested Irving has a better one as "he wants to be here." 

 

I simply stated the fact he hasn't renewed his contract, so with that in mind he may not be the best example of a player with a attitude of someone who wants to be here when looking for comparisons. 

I stand by that. 

 

Whether he's good enough and should be playing is a different debate. 

 

I had no intention of discussing his contract. 

 

em, that would have been me, a fact of which I have no knowledge, as I state. apologies if I came across as a smart arse but you've rubbished my view several times throughout the thread... I respectfully reject your opinion, I take Irving ahead of Halliday. We shall just have to agree to disagree.

[BelgeJambo]

Nothing other than Royal humping of Alloa will make up for tonight