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Tazio
20 hours ago, Tazio said:

Sprinters stage as there isn’t enough in the climbs to make them crack and creep in to the end in a grupetto. I think Sagan will certainly contest this one and get a place as he wants his points, but I’m not really sure what form any of the specialist fast men are in for a winner. Sam Bennett or Caleb Ewan depending how long the run in, Bennett is fast but Ewan is super explosive in a short sprint and goes properly balls out top when he gets a chance. 

Boom! 
Called it perfectly I’d say. 

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Greedy Jambo
5 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Boom! 
Called it perfectly I’d say. 

 

Fair play. 

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Greedy Jambo

Looks like more of the same tomorrow until the last climb where the pure sprinters will blow a gasket. 

 

stage 4.jpg

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Tazio
2 minutes ago, Space Pirate said:

Looks like more of the same tomorrow until the last climb where the pure sprinters will blow a gasket. 

 

stage 4.jpg

I’d expect there there to be a more serious breakaway tomorrow, if it gets pulled back before the last climb it will be an interesting finish. Yates is looking good but Allaphillipe can pull himself up climbs when needed but could struggle against the specialists. It could be a day for Mikel Landa if he was to get in a breakaway. 

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Greedy Jambo
Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, Tazio said:

I’d expect there there to be a more serious breakaway tomorrow, if it gets pulled back before the last climb it will be an interesting finish. Yates is looking good but Allaphillipe can pull himself up climbs when needed but could struggle against the specialists. It could be a day for Mikel Landa if he was to get in a breakaway. 

 

Yeah, i would imagine (and hope) that they set a fast pace to make it as difficult as possible for faster men to get up that climb. I'm leaning towards the likes of Valverde, but i've no idea what kind of form he's in. 

I defo wouldn't rule out Allaphillipe though, that would be silly. 

Edited by Space Pirate

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Boof
Posted (edited)

Just seen the day's highlights.

 

What a finish from Ewan - pretty special.

 

What d'you reckon for tomorrow @Tazio? Might need to pay my sky bet account a wee visit...if they do cycling.

 

Edit...just read two posts up from this one :facepalm: sorry, bud :lol:

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Tazio
9 minutes ago, Boof said:

Just seen the day's highlights.

 

What a finish from Ewan - pretty special.

 

What d'you reckon for tomorrow @Tazio? Might need to pay my sky bet account a wee visit...if they do cycling.

 

Edit...just read two posts up from this one :facepalm: sorry, bud :lol:

To be fair I wouldn’t even attempt to guess tomorrow’s winner. A lot of the good young guys like Bernal, Pogacar, and Carapaz are good climbers as well as genuine contenders for this years race. 
I still stand by my theory that people won’t be as cagey as usual this year waiting to make their move tactically. Mainly as there is no guarantee the race will make the full 21 stages, so tomorrow is a good stage to try and throw a gap into your rivals. Unless they all try it and cancel each other out. 

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Tazio

Christ but his is a dull stage. Basically several hours of watching a social ride with some excitement in the last few km. 

Please someone try a breakaway. 

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Cade

Nice wee jaunt through the countryside today

:gok:

At least we have commentator banter to get us through.

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All roads lead to Gorgie

Nice shot of Mont Ventoux at least. I wish those blokes out for a gentle peddle would get out the way and let us have a better view of the vineyards and olive groves🙂

 

It must be a rest day for the tour which is supposed to be going through this area round about now 🙂

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Boof

Pisser for Alaphillipe. Shoulda known the rules, though.

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Cade

When you're running on empty you have to weigh up how much the time penalty for taking an illegal feed will be against how much time you'll lose blowing oot yer erse off the back of the peloton.

 

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Tazio
16 minutes ago, Cade said:

When you're running on empty you have to weigh up how much the time penalty for taking an illegal feed will be against how much time you'll lose blowing oot yer erse off the back of the peloton.

 

A bit silly of him to say he didn’t know the rule. Even as a fan of cycling I know that rule and have seen it applied over the years. Including riders deliberately breaking it on team orders after the DS has weighed up if they would lose more time by not feeding. 

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Cade

Could have had a team-mate take the bottle (and the penalty) then hand it to Alaphilippe. 

Richie Porte did that once for Froome and Froome didn't get penalised.

Commissaires may have wised up to that and changed the rules since that, or maybe not.

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Tazio

I expect to see all the young guns contesting the mountaintop today. With the potential for Allaphillipe going shit or bust to keep his tour alive. 

I've got an all afternoon Zoom meeting with work but have cunningly placed my laptop that I can see the telly behind it. 

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Greedy Jambo

Some boy just took a bottle at 18,2km to go. 

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Greedy Jambo

Changed the rules today apparently 🤔

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redjambo
1 hour ago, Greedy Jambo said:

Changed the rules today apparently 🤔

 

And they've also been shown to be "flexible" in the past (https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/watch-should-romain-bardet-have-been-penalised-20-seconds-for-taking-illegal-feed-at-tour-de-france-341779) (check the update at the bottom).

 

Obviously taking the SPFL/SFA approach to creating regulations on the hoof and coping with any transgressions. ;)

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Greedy Jambo

It's good to see some of the ineos boys dropping like flies and we're not even in the proper mountain stages yet. 

I don't like seeing a team run away with it, never mind year after year. 

Kwiatkowski should have left them as well and got some glory for himself, before he ends up on the old man pile. 

 

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Tazio

This is shaping up to be interesting. Sagan and Bora Hansgrohe aiming to crush the other sprinters to get green back. 

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Cade

Lots of strategic stuff and a front loaded stage profile.

Could be a very interesting day.

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Tazio

And it’s worked. Sagan gets 2nd at the intermediate sprint as is back in the green unless it goes tits up elsewhere on the stage. 

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Greedy Jambo

I've just tuned in, how did Sam Bennett and Co end up dropped? 

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Cade
5 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

I've just tuned in, how did Sam Bennett and Co end up dropped? 

 

Crosswinds and a wee climb right at the start combined with Sagan and other teams firing right up it.

 

 

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Tazio

And De Gendt has his first proper pop of the tour. Excellent. 

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Greedy Jambo
18 minutes ago, Cade said:

 

Crosswinds and a wee climb right at the start combined with Sagan and other teams firing right up it.

 

 

Cheers 

 

It's made this flat stage more interesting, that's for sure. 

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Greedy Jambo

Whole bunch of sprinters even further back, 7 mins behind. 

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Greedy Jambo

Bennett will be straight to bed with nae dinner the night. 

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Greedy Jambo

De Gendt currently 20/1 with Ladbrokes if anyone thinks he'll make this stick. 

 

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Tazio
9 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

Bennett will be straight to bed with nae dinner the night. 

No point in him burning himself out trying to keep the green as he’ll need all his strength for the stage tomorrow as it’s classified as a mountain stage. To be honest it’s not a great year for the pure sprinters as there’s a lot of climbing and not many classic sprint finishes. 

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Tazio
5 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

De Gendt currently 20/1 with Ladbrokes if anyone thinks he'll make this stick. 

 

Not a chance. The stage is pretty much all downhill with a fairly flat finish. Could be a day for one of the sprinters that hasn’t shown much so far like the Italian lads or Brian Coquard. I would expect Sagan to do his usual of going for the sprint but sitting up if he isn’t going to get the win and playing the sensible game of making sure he scores a few points without too much of a risk. 
 

edit. Obviously I meant downhill for the last 50k or so. 

Edited by Tazio

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Tazio

I’ve checked out tomorrow’s stage profile. 
ouch, 2 Cat 1 climbs and and HC climb. That’s sprinter hell right there. 

Tuesday however is possibly the flattest tour stage I’ve ever seen. I hope they set off at a painful pace or it could be a very boring 170k. 

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Tazio

This is getting interesting. They aren’t really chasing him down very hard and he’s pulling away. I might need to eat my words here. They always reckon you need a minimum of a minute at 10 k from the finish for a breakaway to work and he has that he can time trial to the end as he has no other riders to distract him. 
Still around an hour to go though. 

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Tazio

Well Ineos stopped that fun pretty efficiently. 

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Cade

:scenes:

 

Crosswinds are always fun.

Wee groups of riders all over the shop.

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Tazio

If you download the TdF app you can track the riders speeds in real time from their GPS. That long straight at around 30k to go the front group were knocking out over 80kph! 

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Greedy Jambo

Gc riders losing time on a flat stage. 

Lovely Jubbly

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Tazio
3 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

Gc riders losing time on a flat stage. 

Lovely Jubbly

Pinot is still there, a very real possible winner of the race, Bernal is still there as well. 

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Greedy Jambo
8 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Pinot is still there, a very real possible winner of the race, Bernal is still there as well. 

It's only really Landa, Pogacar and Porte that are in the 2nd group, sore one for them

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Greedy Jambo

Well, Sagan made a complete arse of that. 

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Tazio
Just now, Greedy Jambo said:

Well, Sagan made a complete arse of that. 

It’s hard to sprint without a chain. 

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Greedy Jambo
4 minutes ago, Tazio said:

It’s hard to sprint without a chain. 

He lost his chain? 

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Tazio
1 minute ago, Greedy Jambo said:

He lost his chain? 

David Millar said it right after the finish but now having seen it again I’m not so sure he did.

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Greedy Jambo
2 minutes ago, Tazio said:

David Millar said it right after the finish but now having seen it again I’m not so sure he did.

It looked to me like he took the wrong line, banged into somone, then gave up lol, but he may well have had an issue with his bike. 

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Tazio
Just now, Greedy Jambo said:

It looked to me like he took the wrong line, banged into somone, then gave up lol, but he may well have had an issue with his bike. 

I think it might have just been too fast for him. Van Aert crossed the line at over 70kph. If you don’t get it perfect at that pace you’re nowhere. 

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Tazio

This a great video of what it’s like to be in the pack over the last couple of km of a race. Scary stuff when you consider the speeds they will be doing, especially the bit near the start when Degenkolb eases the guy out his way with his arm. 
 

 

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Cade

Best stage since stage 1.

 

Brilliant stuff all day.

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Boof
19 minutes ago, Tazio said:

This a great video of what it’s like to be in the pack over the last couple of km of a race. Scary stuff when you consider the speeds they will be doing, especially the bit near the start when Degenkolb eases the guy out his way with his arm. 
 

 

 

That was superb. Seriously buttock-clenching, but superb. 

 

Surprises for me:

1 - the shouting (is English the language of choice or did I just not hear the others?)

2 - the closeness of each other

3 - the nudges, the gentle hints that 'I'm coming through'

 

Hunting for more...

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redjambo

Thanks for posting that @Tazio.

 

I was watching it and then realised that I was tapping my foot vigorously as the action sped up, almost like I was in there with them. :D

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Tazio
16 minutes ago, Boof said:

 

That was superb. Seriously buttock-clenching, but superb. 

 

Surprises for me:

1 - the shouting (is English the language of choice or did I just not hear the others?)

2 - the closeness of each other

3 - the nudges, the gentle hints that 'I'm coming through'

 

Hunting for more...

He language of the peloton is now English as he majority of the riders will speak it. In the past it was always French but that’s gone as their influence has lessened over the years.  People don’t always realise how ridiculously close they are, even when just travelling along mid stage. I’m a pretty confident cyclist with faith in my bike handling but that stuff gives me the fear. 

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