*** Other Scottish football match thread, for anyone who gives a ****

[Watt-Zeefuik]

3 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

25 + years in the league.

 

They won a play off there, even then its twice in 27 years.

 

And it was a playoff win against a Rangers team that finished third in the Championship.

 

And if my quick check is accurate, the only win they've managed against the OF between that playoff win and today was in December 2015 when they beat Ronnie Deila's thoroughly mediocre Celtic team.

 

Folk are bending over backwards to convince themselves that there's something simple we could do to avoid the occasional pasting at the hands of the OF, rather than just saying, "ah, that's football" and looking on to tomorrow.

[vegas-voss]

4 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

 

Possibly though you may be forgetting that Rangers travel to Benfica on Thursday night which in all likelihood will see them go into the Scottish Cup game after back to back defeats and may see quite a few changes in personnel. I think given current short term form Hibs will fancy that one. The question I would have for Hearts fans is, given 3rd place / Scottish Cup winning rewards do we want to chance other teams beating the Old Firm meaning in essence it should be easier for us to win it whilst at the same time making the possibility of someone out with the top 3 winning it, greater?! Are we good enough ourselves? Could you imagine a Scottish Cup Final between us and Hibs this season, worth over £6 million pounds?! 

I want Hibs out personally.Honestly 3rd and a chance at either of the Old Firm in the final knowing we already have group football will do me.Keep knocking at the door against the Old Firm in finals we will beat them one day.

[Bazzas right boot]

5 minutes ago, Gordon Ramsay said:

 

 

Every time I log into this forum, I see you posting everywhere on every thread. Do you have a life outside this forum? Are you even a real person?

 

Are you Billy Coull?

 

So when YOU log in, you see me...

 

And you question my life......

.

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

And it was a playoff win against a Rangers team that finished third in the Championship.

 

And if my quick check is accurate, the only win they've managed against the OF between that playoff win and today was in December 2015 when they beat Ronnie Deila's thoroughly mediocre Celtic team.

 

Folk are bending over backwards to convince themselves that there's something simple we could do to avoid the occasional pasting at the hands of the OF, rather than just saying, "ah, that's football" and looking on to tomorrow.

 

Yip.

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

Just now, Bazzas right boot said:

 

So when YOU log in, you see me...

 

And you question my life......

.

 

You don't have a life.

[Boris5115]

7 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

 

Possibly though you may be forgetting that Rangers travel to Benfica on Thursday night which in all likelihood will see them go into the Scottish Cup game after back to back defeats and may see quite a few changes in personnel. I think given current short term form Hibs will fancy that one. The question I would have for Hearts fans is, given 3rd place / Scottish Cup winning rewards do we want to chance other teams beating the Old Firm meaning in essence it should be easier for us to win it whilst at the same time making the possibility of someone out with the top 3 winning it, greater?! Are we good enough ourselves? Could you imagine a Scottish Cup Final between us and Hibs this season, worth over £6 million pounds?! 

That would be a nervy affair. 

[Jambo dans les Pyrenees]

Good results today.  

 

We’ve Kilmarnock (H) and St Mirren (A) to play before the split.

 

10 points ahead of St Mirren with a game in hand, as well as Ross County (A) and Livi (H) after the Celtic match.

 

We can have third done before the split; good to have time to get youngsters more game time, split time between Zander / Craig, hopefully focus on the cup, and make decisions on next years squad.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

5 minutes ago, Deviskan said:

Fairly stunned anyone is stubborn enough to argue our record at Ibrox isn’t poor.

 

Mind you, it’s expected from a poster that appears to spend every waking minute of his life posting on here…then has the audacity to call anyone dull!

 

It's absolutely poor and we should do better.

 

It's the regular appearance of the, "but these smaller sides have figured it out" argument when Motherwell's record against the OF is far more futile than ours. Their lucky numbers came good today, played a blinder on a day Rangers were off their game.

 

Yes, every season, some smaller side manages to steal a result against the OF, and fair play to Killie for having done it more often than others these past few seasons. And when it happens it stands out and we forget about the months of the OF regularly flattening the opposition because it's not newsworthy.

 

But it's not some major obvious failing or tactical blunder that Hearts are making.

[Luckies1874]

6 minutes ago, vegas-voss said:

I want Hibs out personally.Honestly 3rd and a chance at either of the Old Firm in the final knowing we already have group football will do me.Keep knocking at the door against the Old Firm in finals we will beat them one day.

 

It's a serious dilemma in my view. I think what I would say is if we could be assured of beating Morton and then a semi v either Aberdeen/Killie I'd take whichever of the Old Firm in the Final. If we beat Morton and then have to face both of the uglies just because Rangers have emptied Hibs in the 1/4 final that's far from ideal. I guess what I'm saying is that I'd like a semi against anyone but the Old Firm but wouldn't want another final v Hibs right now given the law of averages but particularly given it would jeopardise what we already have in the bag. That said I'd gamble the lot to play Killie/Aberdeen in a Final. Scottish Cup win and £6 million on the line! 

Edited March 2 by Luckies1874

[Luckies1874]

4 minutes ago, Boris5115 said:

That would be a nervy affair. 

 

Big time. 

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, Gordon Ramsay said:

 

You don't have a life.

 

I have a very good life ( relatively speaking).

 

It's that good I don't need to make myself feel better by saying things  to others like " you don't have a life".

 

Now, that's something that needs a deep dive.

 

You've went to " I don't have a life" in 2 posts because I gave you a reason why stating "league" wins was important,  as you questioned it.

 

That's  a sign of being very angry and maybe unhappy. 

Only you'll know.

 

Thanks for your concern tho about my life.

 

 

 

[SectionDJambo]

We need to take care of the next 4 games to take any pressure off. We might not win them all but we have to win the home games and not lose the away ones. Certainly possible, especially since the international break could come at a good time for us, to get injured players back.

If we’re still 8+ points ahead going into the split it’s unlikely St Mirren or Kilmarnock could catch us over those last 5 fixtures.

Then we hope we win the cup, or as a consolation, Celtic or Rangers do.

[Gordon Ramsay]

1 minute ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

It's absolutely poor and we should do better.

 

It's the regular appearance of the, "but these smaller sides have figured it out" argument when Motherwell's record against the OF is far more futile than ours. Their lucky numbers came good today, played a blinder on a day Rangers were off their game.

 

Yes, every season, some smaller side manages to steal a result against the OF, and fair play to Killie for having done it more often than others these past few seasons. And when it happens it stands out and we forget about the months of the OF regularly flattening the opposition because it's not newsworthy.

 

But it's not some major obvious failing or tactical blunder that Hearts are making.

 

I think what gets me the most is the fact that we comfortably outspend the smaller sides and expect to beat them and more often than not, we do.

 

When it comes to games against Celtic and Rangers though, our record really isn't any better than the smaller sides. Surely we'd expect to be taking more points from them given we outspend every other club in the league.

[tiger Rudi]

Jeezo calm down everybody. OK if you don't agree, thats fair enough but it's my opinion we should be competing better with the OF or at least be harder to beat. We haven't found a way to play against them that other teams maybe have. 

It rankles.

That's not necessarily a dig at Hearts, it's asking the bloody question why does it happen? 

I get it that the OF raise their game against us and are not likely to be complacent. That's not all it is! Aberdeen's results against Rangers goes against that logic does it not? Both teams despise each other and yet Aberdeen have managed to go to Ibrox and win. They have also drawn at home with them, despite being piss poor and currently 3rd bottom. 

As already mentioned Kilmarnock have beaten both OF teams. 

 

We ARE best of the rest as our 3rd place position proves. It's just bloody annoying that far poorer teams than us seem to get it right at least as much as we do. 

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

3 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

I have a very good life ( relatively speaking).

 

It's that good I don't need to make myself feel better by saying things  to others like " you don't have a life".

 

Now, that's something that needs a deep dive.

 

You've went to " I don't have a life" in 2 posts because I gave you a reason why stating "league" wins was important,  as you questioned it.

 

That's  a sign of being very angry and maybe unhappy. 

Only you'll know.

 

Thanks for your concern tho about my life.

 

 

 

 

Forum life.

[mellors1874]

28 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said:

 

I haven't seen the game but I'll put £10 that back 3 turned into a back 5 when Rangers had the ball in the Motherwell half.

It probably did mate but when going forward or pressing them back they would have went 3 then 4 as it blocks the channels.

[Carter]

1 minute ago, SectionDJambo said:

We need to take care of the next 4 games to take any pressure off. We might not win them all but we have to win the home games and not lose the away ones. Certainly possible, especially since the international break could come at a good time for us, to get injured players back.

If we’re still 8+ points ahead going into the split it’s unlikely St Mirren or Kilmarnock could catch us over those last 5 fixtures.

Then we hope we win the cup, or as a consolation, Celtic or Rangers do.

The fact we have to play both Kilmarnock and St Mirren twice means it's not done. Our run of 28 points from 30 will probably end up being the defining factor in the season but it's not done yet. If we can get to the split with a gap of the level we've got then it'll be done, even allowing for the ritual OF drubbings we specialise in. 

 

We need to see us really compete tomorrow as Wednesday was desperately poor after last Saturday's shitshow. We can't afford to concede the customary early goal. 

[Deviskan]

2 minutes ago, Gordon Ramsay said:

 

Forum life.

With a post count like his, you would hope a family member is planning an intervention.

[Robbo-Jambo]

10 minutes ago, Bazzas right boot said:

 

So when YOU log in, you see me...

 

And you question my life......

.

🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱

 

Nearly 70,000 posts.

 

Absolutely bore folk to death.

 

Rangers will be a bit apprehensive going to Easter Road next week in the Scottish Cup eh 😉.

[Berrassobad]

5 minutes ago, tiger Rudi said:

Jeezo calm down everybody. OK if you don't agree, thats fair enough but it's my opinion we should be competing better with the OF or at least be harder to beat. We haven't found a way to play against them that other teams maybe have. 

It rankles.

That's not necessarily a dig at Hearts, it's asking the bloody question why does it happen? 

I get it that the OF raise their game against us and are not likely to be complacent. That's not all it is! Aberdeen's results against Rangers goes against that logic does it not? Both teams despise each other and yet Aberdeen have managed to go to Ibrox and win. They have also drawn at home with them, despite being piss poor and currently 3rd bottom. 

As already mentioned Kilmarnock have beaten both OF teams. 

 

We ARE best of the rest as our 3rd place position proves. It's just bloody annoying that far poorer teams than us seem to get it right at least as much as we do. 

 

They counter punch - only way to play them imo - go for it and ur inevitably fekked

[jambopilms]

So we didn't beat Celtic last time out in Glasgow? And we were winning against Rangers until a dodgy pen earlier this season and we got a draw there last season.

 

If ever there was a season to not moan about our Glasgow form it is this one.

[Gordon Ramsay]

Just now, Deviskan said:

With a post count like his, you would hope a family member is planning an intervention.

 

I haven't even looked at what it is. I shudder to think to be honest.

[Francis Albert]

Good news about the Ibrox result is that it keeps it tight at the top. The last thing we need is  a cushion at the top that reduces the need for the top two to  beat the rest. They will almost alway be up for beating us. So not a bad set of results today for us.

[Watt-Zeefuik]

Just now, jambopilms said:

So we didn't beat Celtic last time out in Glasgow? And we were winning against Rangers until a dodgy pen earlier this season and we got a draw there last season.

 

If ever there was a season to not moan about our Glasgow form it is this one.

 

Also we're beating Rangers at Hampden in the cup when it matters most.

[Deviskan]

2 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱

 

Nearly 70,000 posts.

 

Absolutely bore folk to death.

 

Rangers will be a bit apprehensive going to Easter Road next week in the Scottish Cup eh 😉.

I think the sites post number was reset at one point as well…so the mind boggles at what that number really is.

[Gordon Ramsay]

Just now, Deviskan said:

I think the sites post number was reset at one point as well…so the mind boggles at what that number really is.

 

Jesus christ 🤣🤣🤣

[GYL]

26 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

 

Possibly though you may be forgetting that Rangers travel to Benfica on Thursday night which in all likelihood will see them go into the Scottish Cup game after back to back defeats and may see quite a few changes in personnel. I think given current short term form Hibs will fancy that one. The question I would have for Hearts fans is, given 3rd place / Scottish Cup winning rewards do we want to chance other teams beating the Old Firm meaning in essence it should be easier for us to win it whilst at the same time making the possibility of someone out with the top 3 winning it, greater?! Are we good enough ourselves? Could you imagine a Scottish Cup Final between us and Hibs this season, worth over £6 million pounds?! 

No Old Firm Hearts and Sheep in semis please

[hearts00]

Aberdeen feels a lot like the Hearts demotion season. Finding all manners of way to lose and never turning the corner. 

[Bazzas right boot]

Smaller sides like Motherwell,  St Johnstone,  killie have been more or just as established as us in the top flight in recent years. 

We've had to rebuild and been relegated/ demoted twice.

 

Going forward from this base we should start competing better than the smaller sides,  but in the last 25 years we've had 5 x 3rd place finishes and really not been much better in the league than Motherwell,  St Johnstone. Etc, we've been in administration and relegated. 

We've reduced our heavy debt and rebuilt our infrastructure 

I think folk forget we are just establishing ourselves now as a constant top 4 side.

 

I think we're 5 years of being constantly a top 4 side away from realistically stating we should be doing better than the sides many on here dismiss.

 

In short,  we've been no better in recent periods than the likes of killie, well, St Johnstone,  St Mirren and at times worse than them and that is why our record is not markedly better.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 2 by Bazzas right boot

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

55 minutes ago, tiger Rudi said:

Who said they were better than us? I specifically said they appear to be able to compete better than us against the OF? We are 3rd for a reason, but it's not due to the fact we compete against the OF better than any other team. 

🤦🏻

Speechless doesn’t even do this post justice.

[Robbo-Jambo]

7 minutes ago, Deviskan said:

I think the sites post number was reset at one point as well…so the mind boggles at what that number really is.

FFS and there he is off on another rant 😅

[Boris5115]

12 minutes ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱

 

Nearly 70,000 posts.

 

Absolutely bore folk to death.

 

Rangers will be a bit apprehensive going to Easter Road next week in the Scottish Cup eh 😉.

That's a very unhealthy amount of posts. I get the thought he's like Si from the movie one hour photo. 

[Robbo-Jambo]

1 minute ago, Boris5115 said:

That's a very unhealthy amount of posts. I get the thought he's like Si from the movie one hour photo. 

😂

[CMc]

50 minutes ago, maroonsgotop said:

was 16 points 7 days ago

Yes it was. Almost like we do better when on a run of easy fixtures than when on a run of harder fixtures. 
 

Funny that. 
 

Fortunately, we go on another run of easier fixtures after tomorrow whilst those below us have harder games. 
 

I expect the gap to grow before the split. 
 

 

[Carter]

11 minutes ago, Boris5115 said:

That's a very unhealthy amount of posts. I get the thought he's like Si from the movie one hour photo. 

 

[Gordon Ramsay]

15 minutes ago, Boris5115 said:

That's a very unhealthy amount of posts. I get the thought he's like Si from the movie one hour photo. 

 

Good film that to be fair.

 

I feel he's more like this...

 

[Boris5115]

1 minute ago, Gordon Ramsay said:

 

Good film that to be fair.

 

I feel he's more like this...

 

You have missed the tommee tippeee drip bib to catch the slavers 😂😂😂

[Randy Marsh]

45 minutes ago, Gordon Ramsay said:

 

Good film that to be fair.

 

I feel he's more like this...

 

😂

[ScandinavianJambo]

1 hour ago, hearts00 said:

Aberdeen feels a lot like the Hearts demotion season. Finding all manners of way to lose and never turning the corner. 

I was thinking the same.....

They might just drop down..

 

 

[Debut 4]

2 hours ago, tiger Rudi said:

Jeezo calm down everybody. OK if you don't agree, thats fair enough but it's my opinion we should be competing better with the OF or at least be harder to beat. We haven't found a way to play against them that other teams maybe have. 

It rankles.

That's not necessarily a dig at Hearts, it's asking the bloody question why does it happen? 

I get it that the OF raise their game against us and are not likely to be complacent. That's not all it is! Aberdeen's results against Rangers goes against that logic does it not? Both teams despise each other and yet Aberdeen have managed to go to Ibrox and win. They have also drawn at home with them, despite being piss poor and currently 3rd bottom. 

As already mentioned Kilmarnock have beaten both OF teams. 

 

We ARE best of the rest as our 3rd place position proves. It's just bloody annoying that far poorer teams than us seem to get it right at least as much as we do. 

 

I’ve said before, we’re a funny team.  We ARE the “best of the rest” imo but we don’t seem to be equipped in style or willing to adjust like others to play a more industrial game v the old firm.  I admire we are out to improve our quality as the years go by, but you should still be able to adapt to play a different way. 
 

Other clubs results, in truth, probably aren’t any better than ours v the old firm in recent years (if they are I imagine it’s marginal) but they seem to “give them a game” more often, it feels anyway.

 

The Killies, Motherwell’s etc… seem prepared to bustle, be more physical, chase harder and simply be more robust in these games.  We used to be like that once upon a time.  

[davemclaren]

8 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

I’ve said before, we’re a funny team.  We ARE the “best of the rest” imo but we don’t seem to be equipped in style or willing to adjust like others to play a more industrial game v the old firm.  I admire we are out to improve our quality as the years go by, but you should still be able to adapt to play a different way. 
 

Other clubs results, in truth, probably aren’t any better than ours v the old firm in recent years (if they are I imagine it’s marginal) but they seem to “give them a game” more often, it feels anyway.

 

The Killies, Motherwell’s etc… seem prepared to bustle, be more physical, chase harder and simply be more robust in these games.  We used to be like that once upon a time.  

That was first Motherwell win at Ibrox in 27 years, apparently. 🤷

[GinRummy]

14 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

I’ve said before, we’re a funny team.  We ARE the “best of the rest” imo but we don’t seem to be equipped in style or willing to adjust like others to play a more industrial game v the old firm.  I admire we are out to improve our quality as the years go by, but you should still be able to adapt to play a different way. 
 

Other clubs results, in truth, probably aren’t any better than ours v the old firm in recent years (if they are I imagine it’s marginal) but they seem to “give them a game” more often, it feels anyway.

 

The Killies, Motherwell’s etc… seem prepared to bustle, be more physical, chase harder and simply be more robust in these games.  We used to be like that once upon a time.  

Not sure. We’ve under achieved against rangers and Celtic under previous management but Naismith has done ok so far imo. Very unlucky with the Cochrane sending off against Celtic and a draw at Ibrox last season. A few bad beatings, which happens to everyone sometimes, the Haring push at Ibrox in a close game and the 2-0 won at parkhead. 
 

Last week we didn’t play well against the hun but let’s face it we were terrible against Hibs as well and they aren’t the old firm. We are just playing poorly right now. 

[Debut 4]

9 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

That was first Motherwell win at Ibrox in 27 years, apparently. 🤷

As I’ve said, I’m not really specifically talking about results but relating the performances and different approach to these games.  

[Debut 4]

2 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Not sure. We’ve under achieved against rangers and Celtic under previous management but Naismith has done ok so far imo. Very unlucky with the Cochrane sending off against Celtic and a draw at Ibrox last season. A few bad beatings, which happens to everyone sometimes, the Haring push at Ibrox in a close game and the 2-0 won at parkhead. 
 

Last week we didn’t play well against the hun but let’s face it we were terrible against Hibs as well and they aren’t the old firm. We are just playing poorly right now. 

He has done ok.  If the trend continues then we are looking at slow progress back to maybe notching wins more often.  Even the best Hearts managers took heavy beatings against the OF but I hope we see the nature of performance start to improve.  That’s the starting point.  

[davemclaren]

5 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

As I’ve said, I’m not really specifically talking about results but relating the performances and different approach to these games.  

I think we easily forget that all teams generally lose at Celtic and Rangers. 

[kingantti1874]

59 minutes ago, ScandinavianJambo said:

I was thinking the same.....

They might just drop down..

 

 

What the point comparison with when we were demoted out of interest 

[GinRummy]

6 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

He has done ok.  If the trend continues then we are looking at slow progress back to maybe notching wins more often.  Even the best Hearts managers took heavy beatings against the OF but I hope we see the nature of performance start to improve.  That’s the starting point.  

I think it’s been it’s been a mentality thing. Same I with the away form to an extent. Time will tell though. 

[tiger Rudi]

2 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

He has done ok.  If the trend continues then we are looking at slow progress back to maybe notching wins more often.  Even the best Hearts managers took heavy beatings against the OF but I hope we see the nature of performance start to improve.  That’s the starting point.  

I agree things are getting slightly better, we could go back to the game last year when Sibbick had his brain fart. We have gotten close a few times and there's the win away to Celtic as well. It's worrying though when Naismith said that the "players froze" due to the noise at Ibrox. Players at Hearts shouldn't freeze at any game in Glasgow. I didn't see any sign of Motherwell players freezing in that same Ibrox atmosphere today. 

I like Naismith and he talks well about changing the players mentality. If he thinks some froze then he needs to sort that. Summer signings will be interesting. Guys like Armstrong and Spittal appear to have the right attitude for a fight, decent enough on the ball too. A solid rb is the main priority though. 

 

[ArcticJambo]

25 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

That was first Motherwell win at Ibrox in 27 years, apparently. 🤷

Does it really matter if it was 27 yrs though, it was against the same Rangers team that bent us over just a week ago. They were ready, we weren't.

[Wee Mikey]

3 hours ago, Deviskan said:

Great minds…

 

... think alike ...

 

... fools seldom differ. 😉