Riccarton3 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Wow,there must be some right stuff the SPFL want hidden. Dear oh dear. What have they been up to? Immaculate lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon tinted glasses 2 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Although both SPFL and the C3 seemed to be joint in fighting against Hearts and PT when Lord Clark opted for arbitration, both were represented independently and wanted different outcomes so whilst the SPFL partially got their way the C3 challenge was thrown out so effectively they tried to independently challenge Hearts and PT's petition. I'm sure if the C3 had requested some form of SFA arbitration against us we would have been obliged to attend so the reality is they should also be punished by the same rules as us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: Dundee Utd and co do they get punished as they also went above the SFA and went to court ? Excellent question. I don't think.the rules say it is OK to.go to court if the SFA or SPFL encourage you to do so in effect on their behalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I think the spfl will start without us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, hmfc1984 said: I would assume because they didn't initiate the petition and were simply responding to it as was their legal right. Hearts and PT had a legal right to go to court, everyone does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, graygo said: Hearts and PT had a legal right to go to court, everyone does. I think it's a relatively straightforward defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Smoked-Glass said: I think the spfl will start without us That’s clearly the plan now. Once it has kicked off, then the argument will be that it’s too late to go back. This is why we need to pursue an interdict if kickoff is looming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon tinted glasses 2 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Oh and can we please all stop with the "English route" chat, it 100% will not happen, we are a Scottish club with a proud history and shouldn't stoop to new firm levels of pretending it could when it just won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Gulf Jambo said: Might be that, in case we win in the Arbitration they can still expel us from the league Or we are awarded £1 million and they take it back by way of a fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, graygo said: Hearts and PT had a legal right to go to court, everyone does. they are only arguing at present that we didn’t seek permission from them before pursuing court action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc Rob said: That’s clearly the plan now. Once it has kicked off, then the argument will be that it’s too late to go back. This is why we need to pursue an interdict if kickoff is looming. To my mind it’s the only way we can stop these corrupt people in their tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 The Calpol3 went to court to ask for our case to be chucked out. They should be charged for the same thing as us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatonjambo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, kwizbet09 said: Guys and Girls why don't we buy Wigan and just leave this corrupt SFA/SPL , we will probably have to sell Tyncastle but we can still call ourselves Wigan Hearts. Just an idea. How about hearts Wig (n) again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: He is right. There has been nothing in the media down here. There has actually been more about Amiens and Toulouse challenges to the French authorities. That is how low the Scottish football authorities have brought the Scottish game. I am.talking about national UK media which once covered Scottish football to some extent at least even beyond the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, wavydavy said: Or we are awarded £1 million and they take it back by way of a fine. They can only fine us £1m if we get reinstated as the max fine for a championship club is £500k. Wouldn't surprise me if they do reinstate us and then hit us with the £1m fine. Then back to see Lord Clerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 We won't be reinstated even if we win. Hellbent now to avoid it. Legal battle that may last years awaits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braminho Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Maroon tinted glasses 2 said: Oh and can we please all stop with the "English route" chat, it 100% will not happen, we are a Scottish club with a proud history and shouldn't stoop to new firm levels of pretending it could when it just won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Newton51 said: they are only arguing at present that we didn’t seek permission from them before pursuing court action Ok, we are guilty of that. Let's see what the punishment is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Newton51 said: they are only arguing at present that we didn’t seek permission from them before pursuing court action As if we would have been granted permission! Did Dundee United etc ask.permission? Hardly needed to I suppose since they were encouraged to? Edited July 14, 2020 by Francis Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One five Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Francis Albert said: As if we would have been granted permission! Did Dundee United et ask.permission? Hardly needed to.since they were encouraged to? The whole thing just stinks of sewage but then again we are getting used it that’s why we need to take it all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Frank Sidebottom said: As far as the compliance officer is concerned, the outcome of the arbitration is irrelevant. It is the act of proceeding with an action in the Court of Session in the first instance which she says is a breach of the rules. I suppose it's one way of getting up to £1million back from us after they have to pay the compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Maroon tinted glasses 2 said: Oh and can we please all stop with the "English route" chat, it 100% will not happen, we are a Scottish club with a proud history and shouldn't stoop to new firm levels of pretending it could when it just won't. This. It's embarrassing. We stay and fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc1984 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, graygo said: Hearts and PT had a legal right to go to court, everyone does. My point being, from the SFAs view of the world we broke their rules and went to court as that is what their rules say we cannot do. Dundee United etc were simply responding to that petition which isn't the same thing. I don't disagree that we had a right to go to court but the fact remains that until the SFAs rule is actually challenged in a court we cannot be sure that it will be considered illegal. Just because everyone on JKB feels overwhelming support that it is ok doesn't mean legally it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 By sending these letters are they not defeating their own argument? They wanted us to go to arbitration first, but even though they were ordered by a judge to arrange a panel and provide all documentation quickly, they still haven't done so. How quickly would they have arranged an arbitration hearing if we'd just asked them first? The answer to why we didn't go to arbitration first lies in their current behaviour. And I'd be very interested to find out who at the SFA will listen to our argument against going to arbitration first, Doncaster, the compliance officer and Chick Young? 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, wavydavy said: I suppose it's one way of getting up to £1million back from us after they have to pay the compensation. If they pay us compensation it means we are a championship club and the maximum fine is £500k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, hmfc1984 said: My point being, from the SFAs view of the world we broke their rules and went to court as that is what their rules say we cannot do. Dundee United etc were simply responding to that petition which isn't the same thing. I don't disagree that we had a right to go to court but the fact remains that until the SFAs rule is actually challenged in a court we cannot be sure that it will be considered illegal. Just because everyone on JKB feels overwhelming support that it is ok doesn't mean legally it is. I agree, like I said a few minutes ago let's see what the punishment is before deciding whether to challenge it or not. In theory it could be £500 but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Hang on a minute, isn’t Neil Doncaster, the very guy we’re taking to court as part of the SPFL, also on the board of the SFA? So isn’t this surely an extremely underhand tactic which has a massive conflict of interest? Also, we’re taking the SPFL to court, not the SFA, and the SPFL are not a recognised footballing body, they’re simply a company, so it’s one company taking another company to court, and it’s also in ‘THEIR OWN RULES’ that this is something which we’re allowed to do. On top of this, the judge stated that if we had any issues with the arbitration, then he would make time for us to take it back to court, so come on Hearts, let’s drag these sorry desperate *******s back to court and get that interdict applied for to stop the league kicking off on August 1st as planned, let’s do as much damage as possible!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamstomorrow Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 36 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: He is right. There has been nothing in the media down here. There has actually been more about Amiens and Toulouse challenges to the French authorities. That is how low the Scottish football authorities have brought the Scottish game. I think it may be more of a reflection of the media dahn saff. Whilst the Scottish press give reports on English games, apart from maybe a report on the OF, there seems to be pretty much zilch from my experience when visiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Captain Canada said: By sending these letters are they not defeating their own argument? They wanted us to go to arbitration first, but even though they were ordered by a judge to arrange a panel and provide all documentation quickly, they still haven't done so. How quickly would they have arranged an arbitration hearing if we'd just asked them first? The answer to why we didn't go to arbitration first lies in their current behaviour. And I'd be very interested to find out who at the SFA will listen to our argument against going to arbitration first, Doncaster, the compliance officer and Chick Young? 😃 We're not arguing against the SFA at arbitration it's the SPFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightrope Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, wavydavy said: I suppose it's one way of getting up to £1million back from us after they have to pay the compensation. One million pounds fine would be an expense due to relegation do we add that to the claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I take it Dundee Utd raith and cove going to court doesn’t count now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Independence said: This. It's embarrassing. We stay and fight. I hope I am massively wrong but imo Budge has had the piss taken out of her from day 1 of all of this.I just can't see anything changing,we are going to get shafted either way. If we had been relegated and let's be honest it was heading that way she would of been hounded out of Gorgie.This could end up even worse than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, tightrope said: One million pounds fine would be an expense due to relegation do we add that to the claim? Depends which ruling comes first I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, graygo said: We're not arguing against the SFA at arbitration it's the SPFL. I know but I thought the arbitration process was under the banner of the SFA? At no point did Doncaster say we couldn't take legal action as far as I'm aware. I also look forward to their rules being strictly applied to clubs begging for money and those helping them out. Edited July 14, 2020 by Captain Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Arbitration won’t be the end of this. It will end up back in a court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Arbitration won’t be the end of this. It will end up back in a court. I don't think arbitration will even be the next step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 So when we have to answer the charge from the SFA who is it that actually reviews our response and how do they determine what the punishment is? Is it a panel of supposed experts unbiased of course or is it some Celtic plants along with the Compliance Officer.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Shanks said: I take it Dundee Utd raith and cove going to court doesn’t count now? That's irrelevant. They were respondents in the case, not the petitioners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Captain Canada said: I don't think arbitration will even be the next step. Interesting, based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Captain Canada said: I know but I thought the arbitration process was under the banner of the SFA? It is but providing documents is not down to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said: I hope I am massively wrong but imo Budge has had the piss taken out of her from day 1 of all of this.I just can't see anything changing,we are going to get shafted either way. If we had been relegated and let's be honest it was heading that way she would of been hounded out of Gorgie.This could end up even worse than that. You sound hysterical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, graygo said: It is but providing documents is not down to them. Is Doncaster not on both boards though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelicropcircle Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Riccarton3 said: You sound hibsterical FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Neil Dongcaster said: Interesting, based on what? Just my opinion, not trying to say I'm ITK. The tone of the statement that went out earlier suggests we're done pissing about waiting and will look to hit back asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightrope Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Regardless, every vote, every move we make In the future should be aiming to bring down this shower and hopefully shut down all that voted against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, graygo said: He's not at Holyrood. His mates will be 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I had a look back at the SFA's announcement that the matter was being referred to arbitration on 6 July. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/notice-of-referral-to-arbitration/?rid=13929 The announcement included the following statement. "As this process is entirely independent, the Scottish FA will make no further comment." Correct me if I'm wrong, but is issuing a "notice of complaint" directly related to the matter being referred to Arbitration not making a "comment". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Captain Canada said: Is Doncaster not on both boards though? he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Captain Canada said: Is Doncaster not on both boards though? Yes, he's on the main board and the professional game board in addition to the SPFL board. Gathering of documents will require him to wear his SPFL hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonlegions Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, milky_26 said: he is Hope our legal team shouts this from the court roof tops. He is in breach by simply being in a conflict of interests. Edited July 14, 2020 by maroonlegions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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