sac Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Off the ball & sportsound will be interesting tomorrow. Wouldn’t surprise me if they dig out some retired QC to say we are going to lose. ‘Mon the Hearts, girfutc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Shanks said: Good to see people starting to realise that there should be no promotion for an incomplete season. It’s the exact same as relegation - both are wrong and unfair. Yep.... and especially since none of the teams were "over" or "beyond" the finishing line anyway. No top or bottom team had earned anything. Now that the TV rebates have come to light, can anyone now explain why null & void would have resulted in anything different or worse than the mess the SPFL have caused ? CL nomination from the SPFL = Celtic Europa League nomination from the SPFL - Rangers, Motherwell ( & Aberdeen ?) TV rebate = same as current Promotion = nobody (up to clubs like DU to take legal action against SPFL if they feel aggrieved (how could that succeed in law ?) Relegation = nobody (avoid current litigation) 2019/20 prize money = same payout based on lockdown positions (surely the SPFL could have done this by a simple resolution) Am I missing something in thinking this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: It was commented on here that IF it was the case that Hearts had indeed failed to observe due process , it's weird that club lawyers seemed unaware and also that no one from the SFA had come forward to make this known or offer to mediate. S are you saying we have not taken account of the SFA rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: This is what I don't understand. Doncaster said he was in favour of the last reconstruction proposal. He wanted clubs to vote for it. So surely he will have stressed how bad a court case would be rather than spinning it as we have no case? I think we’ve already established that he speaks with a forked tongue. Doncaster maybe thought we’d just accept the indicative vote result and go away. Maybe the he thought the result of that - after he’d bigged up that there was sufficient support - would deflate us into acceptance. I dunno. I said at the time that he had been stitched up by the clubs on the indicative vote and I still believe it. For him to have went out on a limb they way he did meant people were telling him they were supporting it. That turned out not to be the case, I think he had his legs done. His mate, Les Gray - who I’ve also said wouldn’t want to be hung by the bollocks for mistakes that the paid executive on the board made - has a number of mentions in our petition. Coincidence? There is definitely darks forces at work, and this time some of them are working against Doncaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 33 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: Sorry. 😉 No problem 👍 The highlights are many and seem to be partly from the PT opinon and our own. We've known for a while that the Dundee vote was flawed, and this may be one of the main aspects that the Judge focuses on. The vote was cast, and the resolution fell. In law, despite all shenanigans since then, this is the legal position of the business. The Board are absolutely in the wrong about 'no alternative' for funding. In 2017, when AB was a Director (7/16-7/18), a loan of £150k each was made to Motherwell and Partick Thistle, according to our petition,as noted in the extract from the account below. AB was correct when she stated that loans (advanced payments) were agreed by the company while she was on the Board. This was spun beyond belief by Doncaster, now an Ethics Committee member at UEFA, and imo, left to mature into a pungent, festering lie, knowing full well that anything said, on the public domain of the National Broadcaster, could and should be used in evidence against him. This all comes done to alternatives back in March/April and if the Judge is convinced that there was/is. Loans, as we all know, do not have to be interest bearing as stated by ND in his piece on the BBC, merely an agreement that they will be paid back in full, after a specified timescale. Obviously, the price for accepting that we are too far down the line to get back to that position is £8m. A reasonable figure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 8 hours ago, redjambo said: I agree to a great extent. Remember though that clubs were put under a significant amount of pressure in the initial vote and the Rangers dossier even mentioned bullying. If a club were to have come out since the original vote and said that they got it wrong and have voted for reconstruction since then, I would tend to be more "forgiving" towards them. I don't know all the votes in the most recent indicative vote, but from those we do know, only Forfar so far would fit into the category of voting to end the leagues early but since voting for the Rangers-proposed investigation and then for reconstruction. Someone really needs to get that spreadsheet done, where we can rank every team on a good guy / wink* scale. * deliberate mis-spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cruyff said: I reckon Glen Gilson will be overseeing this one himself. Not so sure. Not his specialist subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrinkly Ninja Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, kila said: Penalty to Celtic after Boyce is brought down in the Celtic box. He said MORE anti Hearts than normal.... Penalty to Celtic against Hearts when some St Mirren ******* is brought down in the Ross County box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: It's so weird. Hearts, Thistle, D Utd, Raith, Cove and the SPFL might all find themselves embroiled in a legal dispute in which they all probably agree 14-10-10-10 is the best solution in the circumstances. So get it done FFS. Weird cause Dundee Utd and Raith who even came out publicly against 14-10-10-10 never voted for it. That will be some climbdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2004 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, kila said: Penalty to Celtic after Boyce is brought down in the Celtic box. Don't joke mate! Last seasons CL game with Real Madrid saw goal against Madrid cancelled and penalty given to Madrid and scored by Madrid so instead of 2 nil down it was 1 each! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, Riccarton3 said: I'm not sure. I think Doncaster and Lawwell (who is a cancer) know Ann is formidable. They've had run ins, notably over that semi final debacle when the Polls got involved. D Doncaster was made to look an arse. That will not have been firgotten. I genuinely believe personal dislike has been at play here and you shouldn't let that get in the way of business or you make bad choices and lose focus. DONCASTER with help from his pal, the devil in disguise, has almost destroyed the game. It's been here a lot longer than you,Peter Lawwell. You are just passing g through Good point 're Murrayfield they waited for revenge but look to have hibsed it big time. Small minded pricks. Beyond Pleasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Yep.... and especially since none of the teams were "over" or "beyond" the finishing line anyway. No top or bottom team had earned anything. Now that the TV rebates have come to light, can anyone now explain why null & void would have resulted in anything different or worse than the mess the SPFL have caused ? CL nomination from the SPFL = Celtic Europa League nomination from the SPFL - Rangers, Motherwell ( & Aberdeen ?) TV rebate = same as current Promotion = nobody (up to clubs like DU to take legal action against SPFL if they feel aggrieved (how could that succeed in law ?) Relegation = nobody (avoid current litigation) 2019/20 prize money = same payout based on lockdown positions (surely the SPFL could have done this by a simple resolution) Am I missing something in thinking this ? Could be totally wrong here but I think 'null & void' could give grounds for mass refunds on season tickets, as, since the season technically didn't happen, then the money paid for them could be claimed back. Again, don't know for sure but I think that might be part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Jamboelite said: Whats your overall take on it FF having seen enough legal docs in your time? It's well written, concise and set outs the arguments in a logical fashion that will help whatever judge takes it on. However, we have only seen the arguments of one side. There have been many occasions in court where I have felt that the one side has made a compelling case, only to have the other side dismantle those arguments line by line. e.g. the SPFL may produce evidence that they did discuss all the options, weighed up all the pros and cons of each, and only presented the one which they felt best fitted the needs of the company. Similarly on the Dundee vote, they might argue that "no" votes can be reversed, so they were entitled to enter into discussions with Nelms. I would still urge caution while hoping for the best. Edited June 19, 2020 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, Heartsmad1874 said: Weird cause Dundee Utd and Raith who even came out publicly against 14-10-10-10 never voted for it. That will be some climbdown If the choice comes down to no promotion, lengthy court battles or reconstruction I'm pretty sure they'll suddenly be all for reconstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 41 minutes ago, Newton51 said: My prediction is either egm for 13 10 10 9 or out of court settlement I’m there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, merrymac said: Not so sure. Not his specialist subject. Iain Clark https://gilsongray.co.uk/our-people/iain-clark/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Goodfella said: Noted in that article that being 'expelled' from the football association or SPFL would need the same ridiculous voting structure that has constantly defied us. We'll be fine. That's not the reason for pondering that, though. Author 's written it Like its a casual observation. It's actually passive aggressive scaremongering. Just throwing in a bit of doubt. I thought of a slug when I read the who!e thing. Edited June 19, 2020 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldChampions1902 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Victorian said: I think today the prospects of reconstruction went from about 20% up to about 50%. I think the notional chances of a success of some kind from the petition (if heard and concluded) up from 70% to 90%. But the scenario of playing in the Championship + millions in compensation down from 40% to 10% I'm not laying odds though Our ‘medicine’ is starting to look appealing. Not so for other parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durham Jambo Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I think it seems increasingly clear that reconstruction kept coming up again and again, not as the media claim to improve the SPFL case but because Doncaster knew he didn’t have a leg to stand on. The final push with the indicative vote was because Doncaster knew legal action was the next step. He just thought if he pushed it enough clubs would vote for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kidd’s Boots said: No problem 👍 The highlights are many and seem to be partly from the PT opinon and our own. We've known for a while that the Dundee vote was flawed, and this may be one of the main aspects that the Judge focuses on. The vote was cast, and the resolution fell. In law, despite all shenanigans since then, this is the legal position of the business. The Board are absolutely in the wrong about 'no alternative' for funding. In 2017, when AB was a Director (7/16-7/18), a loan of £150k each was made to Motherwell and Partick Thistle, according to our petition,as noted in the extract from the account below. AB was correct when she stated that loans (advanced payments) were agreed by the company while she was on the Board. This was spun beyond belief by Doncaster, now an Ethics Committee member at UEFA, and imo, left to mature into a pungent, festering lie, knowing full well that anything said, on the public domain of the National Broadcaster, could and should be used in evidence against him. This all comes done to alternatives back in March/April and if the Judge is convinced that there was/is. Loans, as we all know, do not have to be interest bearing as stated by ND in his piece on the BBC, merely an agreement that they will be paid back in full, after a specified timescale. Obviously, the price for accepting that we are too far down the line to get back to that position is £8m. A reasonable figure.... Thanks- I enjoyed the bit in bold. Could/would the judge draw any inference from that behaviour ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: Iain Clark https://gilsongray.co.uk/our-people/iain-clark/ Ok Mr Cruyff you win the spot the lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC01 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Clark Griswold said: Anyone else’s alcoholic beverage taste that bit better/sweeter tonight? Mines sure does, here’s to a great weekend lads and lassies 👍🏻🍻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, Durham Jambo said: I think it seems increasingly clear that reconstruction kept coming up again and again, not as the media claim to improve the SPFL case but because Doncaster knew he didn’t have a leg to stand on. The final push with the indicative vote was because Doncaster knew legal action was the next step. He just thought if he pushed it enough clubs would vote for it. And once again he failed. How is this guy in the top job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, merrymac said: Ok Mr Cruyff you win the spot the lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ruud Krol said: I hope you all realise that regardless of where we play next season, referees will be 'under instruction' to be even more ' anti- Hearts' than normal 😂 We should have been aware of this bias for some time. Knowing this in advance should be used to motivate the team. Something we have been sadly lacking in the last few years. Indeed knowing what you are likely to face should make our preparation more thorough. There is no point in complaining, when you know what to expect. Just shows the folly of holding on for a point when the game was there to be won. On a more positive note, I think the Papers we have served have certainly got us on the attack...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said: I think we’ve already established that he speaks with a forked tongue. Doncaster maybe thought we’d just accept the indicative vote result and go away. Maybe the he thought the result of that - after he’d bigged up that there was sufficient support - would deflate us into acceptance. I dunno. I said at the time that he had been stitched up by the clubs on the indicative vote and I still believe it. For him to have went out on a limb they way he did meant people were telling him they were supporting it. That turned out not to be the case, I think he had his legs done. His mate, Les Gray - who I’ve also said wouldn’t want to be hung by the bollocks for mistakes that the paid executive on the board made - has a number of mentions in our petition. Coincidence? There is definitely darks forces at work, and this time some of them are working against Doncaster. I think you have to look back to the original Dundee vote 'going missing'. As I understand it that would have scuppered the whole process that Doncaster (and others) had decided on, which is why it 'went missing' . Doncaster might well have thought at that time that he could rescue the situation with a vote to expand the top division, which he then dumped on Ann Budge and Les Gray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Defender said: Could be totally wrong here but I think 'null & void' could give grounds for mass refunds on season tickets, as, since the season technically didn't happen, then the money paid for them could be claimed back. Again, don't know for sure but I think that might be part of it. That's what the SPFL legal advice said was a risk , including having to refund on sponsorship deals - at every club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, NANOJAMBO said: Thanks- I enjoyed the bit in bold. Could/would the judge draw any inference from that behaviour ? Oh I certainly hope so..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7628mm Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ruud Krol said: I hope you all realise that regardless of where we play next season, referees will be 'under instruction' to be even more ' anti- Hearts' than normal 😂 I fully agree with you. However as long as you are far better than the opposition it matters "not a jot" what the SFA referee does. Play and score way above any form of bias and they are impotent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independence Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, HMFC01 said: The best part of all this is that the Hearts fans are galvanised once more, we are as one and we have shown the rest of Scottish Football we will not be bullied! Thanks Queen Anne! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 51 minutes ago, Rods said: Excellent read for a Friday evening. Glad United, Raith and Cove have joined the fight now. People are mistakenly thinking they are against us its not. Their issue will be with the SPFL I wonder if they will go for an interdict. 30 minutes ago, doctor jambo said: The theee promoted teams have no claims against us - we have not promoted them, Nor prevented it. we don’t have that power, they are threatening to sue the spfl, the only body with any say in the matter. I see it as helpful overall in sending a message to the SPFL. But a little irrelevant to our court case should it go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, HMFC01 said: Currently working manfully through a fridge of weissbier so I appreciate the gif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Kidd’s Boots said: Oh I certainly hope so..... 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashimoto Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said: This is like when we sign a player. Who should we have got instead? Personally would have went for Horace Rumpole..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Defender said: Could be totally wrong here but I think 'null & void' could give grounds for mass refunds on season tickets, as, since the season technically didn't happen, then the money paid for them could be claimed back. Again, don't know for sure but I think that might be part of it. Not so sure. Your season ticket entitles you to attend certain games which did in fact take place. Not sure what your contract with the club would be in terms of effect on League positions , results etc. Interesting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, Durham Jambo said: I think it seems increasingly clear that reconstruction kept coming up again and again, not as the media claim to improve the SPFL case but because Doncaster knew he didn’t have a leg to stand on. The final push with the indicative vote was because Doncaster knew legal action was the next step. He just thought if he pushed it enough clubs would vote for it. He tried to drive it on by getting clubs to specify any objections. Obviously to discover any common ground objections that would then be ironed out with an adjusted proposal. Most clubs ignored that bit and just said no. Doncaster desperately wanted reconstruction as an escape route. Now his only hope is for this case to proceed and be thrown out. He's ****ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phage Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I'm still hoping we bankrupt the SPFL and join the championship for another canter to victory in our gold, jewel encrusted shirts. Champagne and cigars for the after match celebration lap and Scrooge McDuck promoted to senior mascot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said: I think we’ve already established that he speaks with a forked tongue. Doncaster maybe thought we’d just accept the indicative vote result and go away. Maybe the he thought the result of that - after he’d bigged up that there was sufficient support - would deflate us into acceptance. I dunno. I said at the time that he had been stitched up by the clubs on the indicative vote and I still believe it. For him to have went out on a limb they way he did meant people were telling him they were supporting it. That turned out not to be the case, I think he had his legs done. His mate, Les Gray - who I’ve also said wouldn’t want to be hung by the bollocks for mistakes that the paid executive on the board made - has a number of mentions in our petition. Coincidence? There is definitely darks forces at work, and this time some of them are working against Doncaster. You think? I don't think Ithe clubs have the capacity for deep thinking to the extent you suggest. It was a sham orchestrated by Doncaster. Trolling, effectively. These people are intellectual crooks. And the clubs are just pathetic lemmings not interested in change or taking responsibi!ity. They forfeit it for a quiet life taking scraps. They are like fish swimming with sharks. This has all been engineered by Lawwell, a cancer to the game's real progress and development. He is the David Murray of Celtic and they have become what they always despised. Edited June 19, 2020 by Riccarton3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 If we win our case, I’d like to see Beecham's and Covonia on our advertising hoardings next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffa Bacon Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Captain Sausage said: Im obviously very biased (as are most of those on this thread - one way or the other..) but how can any reasonable person read that petition and not agree with the points put forward? the 14-10-10-10 is the logical answer. Hearts and Dundee Utd in prem (ICT lucky bonus club) Partick and Raith in championship (Falkirk lucky bonus club) Stranraer and Cove in league 1 (Edinburgh City lucky bonus club) Brechin, Kelty and Brora in league 2 All at a cost of what? 0.5% to each club? Utter madness that this entire descent into legal carnage has been brought about by the failure of the many to accept the smallest of hits, instead turning a blind eye to the problems visited on the minority. scandalous self-interest and it’s al coming home to roost now. It's not even 0.5%, the biggest loser was team 1 at 0.38% down to 0.05% IIRC, but the pot is bigger due to an increase in tv money so each club will get more in £cash. Also JAs cash will mean the the wee clubs are significantly better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Yep.... and especially since none of the teams were "over" or "beyond" the finishing line anyway. No top or bottom team had earned anything. Now that the TV rebates have come to light, can anyone now explain why null & void would have resulted in anything different or worse than the mess the SPFL have caused ? CL nomination from the SPFL = Celtic Europa League nomination from the SPFL - Rangers, Motherwell ( & Aberdeen ?) TV rebate = same as current Promotion = nobody (up to clubs like DU to take legal action against SPFL if they feel aggrieved (how could that succeed in law ?) Relegation = nobody (avoid current litigation) 2019/20 prize money = same payout based on lockdown positions (surely the SPFL could have done this by a simple resolution) Am I missing something in thinking this ? You are missing nothing. That is exactly what should have happened with zero talk of any reconstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, ToadKiller Dog said: Les Gray is looking like Dyna-mite . 70s reference That’s right that’s right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Also (again if we win), we should sing “a spoonful of sugar” if we ever have to play Ayr United any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Biffa Bacon said: It's not even 0.5%, the biggest loser was team 1 at 0.38% down to 0.05% IIRC, but the pot is bigger due to an increase in tv money so each club will get more in £cash. Also JAs cash will mean the the wee clubs are significantly better off. JA must regret with getting involved with the SPFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, kila said: Penalty to Celtic after Boyce is brought down in the Celtic box. More likely a booking for diving even if the Hearts man gets their leg snapped in two from behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phage Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Scum.net dont think we have a legal leg to stand on (unanimously). Also claiming sharing the petition is naughty. Off to wash my eyes with iodine. I only went in for a laugh at their admin level cost cutting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Defender said: Could be totally wrong here but I think 'null & void' could give grounds for mass refunds on season tickets, as, since the season technically didn't happen, then the money paid for them could be claimed back. Again, don't know for sure but I think that might be part of it. Well if that's the main reason, then it would have been up to each club whether they refunded or not (or legally had to under consumer law). You'd think that most club's fans would just let it go, as a gesture of support.in these lockdown times. It's only 4 home games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Victorian said: He tried to drive it on by getting clubs to specify any objections. Obviously to discover any common ground objections that would then be ironed out with an adjusted proposal. Most clubs ignored that bit and just said no. Doncaster desperately wanted reconstruction as an escape route. Now his only hope is for this case to proceed and be thrown out. He's ****ed. Sort of looks that way eh? Weird that Lawwell is sticking him on that ethics committee though? Could be that Celtic are sticking by their man but everyone else is sick of him? Regardless, one way this could end is him resigning and the new guy asking for reconstruction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, 7628mm said: I fully agree with you. However as long as you are far better than the opposition it matters "not a jot" what the SFA referee does. Play and score way above any form of bias and they are impotent. This is 'Hearts' we are talking about 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sac Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said: I think we’ve already established that he speaks with a forked tongue. Doncaster maybe thought we’d just accept the indicative vote result and go away. Maybe the he thought the result of that - after he’d bigged up that there was sufficient support - would deflate us into acceptance. I dunno. I said at the time that he had been stitched up by the clubs on the indicative vote and I still believe it. For him to have went out on a limb they way he did meant people were telling him they were supporting it. That turned out not to be the case, I think he had his legs done. His mate, Les Gray - who I’ve also said wouldn’t want to be hung by the bollocks for mistakes that the paid executive on the board made - has a number of mentions in our petition. Coincidence? There is definitely darks forces at work, and this time some of them are working against Doncaster. Doncaster wrongly assumed that when Ann first came out & said the club were asking players to take a pay cuts he, maybe thought we were skint & wouldn’t be able to afford a legal challenge, however he didn’t take into account since then the galvanising of our support inc huge numbers of new pledgers/pledges & the 5 years of financial support from the benefactors, now us taking court action. He has grossly underestimated us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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