The Old Tolbooth Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I can understand St Mirren and Hamilton voting for it, and even Aberdeen as they would secure a Euro spot, also Celtic. What I can’t understand is why Dundee Utd, Hibs, Inverness, and Motherwell would vote for it unless they’ve been offered cash to vote that way, this absolutely stinks to the high heavens! Dundee Utd are the worst for me, they could have voted against the proposals knowing full well it doesn’t even affect them as they’re going to be promoted anyway, they would have even saved some integrity of Scottish football! Hibs will lose out on derby cash, and that’s a lot of money for them, so they voted against us out of sheer bitterness imo, Inverness are the turkeys voting for Xmas, because they’ve just voted to stay down when they could have gone up if the leagues were to reconstruct, utter madness, and Motherwell would be in the Dundee Utd camp because nothing would affect them. If this transpires that we go down as a result of the way this has been done, then I’m not just finished with away grounds, I won’t put another penny into Scottish football and I hope they go bust, they absolutely deserve to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, Last Laff said: In what way is it corruption? You wouldn’t even care if it wasn’t hearts at the bottom. It’s a carve up to get what they want but it’s hardly corruption. Publishing results and pressuring another team after a so-called deadline? Not corrupt though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Shanks said: Right so how are you picking the two teams to come up? I don't think teams should be promoted based on an incomplete season, it's unfair on Dundee Ayr etc. I get it we are Hearts fans so want the best for our club but I just can't see them throwing together a league reconstruction purely to keep us in the top division. How is Hearts being relegated in incomplete season fair then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husref musemic Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, HardcoreJambo said: We deserve to be bottom of the table and I believe we would have been relegated outright even if the season had continued. The BBC had a predictor that concluded we would finish bottom. We've been the worst performing side in the league for 18 months or more. Stendel was a terrible appointment who could only muster up 2 wins in the league against The Rangers and the hobos. if we are relegated we have little complaints. We only have ourselves to blame. what with a quarter of the season left to play. aye ok then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, HardcoreJambo said: We deserve to be bottom of the table and I believe we would have been relegated outright even if the season had continued. The BBC had a predictor that concluded we would finish bottom. We've been the worst performing side in the league for 18 months or more. Stendel was a terrible appointment who could only muster up 2 wins in the league against The Rangers and the hobos. if we are relegated we have little complaints. We only have ourselves to blame. I agree with all of that except your last 2 sentences (and even with your last sentence there are a lot of people the finger can be pointed at). What’s your thoughts on Partick getting demoted with a game it hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Gambo said: If as someone said, the SFA are still wanting Scottish Cup finished, we should be threatening league finish = season finished including SC. after Celtic are awarded the league they'll no doubt try and come up with some other nonsense to hand them the cup as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Lets see the cover up start on Sportsound just starting on BBC Radio Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Shanks said: Right so how are you picking the two teams to come up? I don't think teams should be promoted based on an incomplete season, it's unfair on Dundee Ayr etc. I get it we are Hearts fans so want the best for our club but I just can't see them throwing together a league reconstruction purely to keep us in the top division. I'm picking them as the current holders of the top 2 positions. Just like we are being picked for expulsion due to our current position (yes, I'm deliberatly using explution). So what's your solution then??? This season is NEVER going to be completed. NEVER. Your argument means the Celtic cannot be awarded the title as that's the Premiership equivalent of promotion, That means 1 option. Voiding the season completely. This will also never happen as the sponsers and broadcasters will want their money back. Millions that the SPFL don't have. It would also involve ZERO prize money being handed to clubs. Nothing, nada, zilch. Is that a viable option in your opinion?? Voiding the season means no representatives for the 2020/2021 European competitions. Do the think the Glasgow Arse Cheeks or the Sheep will be happy with that outcome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Darth Sidious said: Lets see the cover up start on Sportsound just starting on BBC Radio Scotland. Tuned in early, can’t believe these two morons have been shouting into their mics and been paid for Off the Ball for 25 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: How is Hearts being relegated in incomplete season fair then? It isn't and it shouldn't happen. What should happen is either the season is void or its played to a finish. No one should be rewarded or punished in an incomplete season, folk saying Dundee United should be promoted but hearts not relegated are looking at this with Hearts bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 So our vote got lost too at mid day or somebody didn’t press the send button?😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Sportsound saying that Dundee voted no. Signed slip seen by presenter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, HardcoreJambo said: We deserve to be bottom of the table and I believe we would have been relegated outright even if the season had continued. The BBC had a predictor that concluded we would finish bottom. We've been the worst performing side in the league for 18 months or more. Stendel was a terrible appointment who could only muster up 2 wins in the league against The Rangers and the hobos. if we are relegated we have little complaints. We only have ourselves to blame. If we finished bottom after all the games are played, we would have no complaint. There are 24 points for us to play for, with all the teams at the bottom still to play each other at least once. Both teams can’t win a match so points would be lost. Stendel was given Levein’s ragtag mob to try to show how to perform, which barring the St Mirren result, he was starting to get some dividend from. I’m saying this as a fan who came out of Paisley thinking we were in a big hole. Why are the teams above us so afraid to finish the season whenever possible? It’s very unlikely that a full season can be played next time. Why hit 2 seasons with restricted fixtures when you can agree to get the first one finished, in time? This is all about Celtic wanting 10 in a row. This one with an asterisk, and 4 without Rangers in their league, and the next one still to play for. It’s pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Listening to Sportsound, what a ****ing shambles! Sounds like Dundee submitted their no vote then looking at changing their mind! Edited April 11, 2020 by Fozzyonthefence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stendelsarmy Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Gizmo said: - Disclosing the voting results when the vote was not finished. - Pressuring for a vote by 5pm when the rules state the clubs have 28 days to vote - Losing a "sent" vote - Influencing the club of the missing vote in an attempt to change their vote - Shitting on Partick from a great height - Linking this vote to getting much needed end of season case This is an absolute affront to sporting integrity and the motivation should NOT be to hand Celtic a ****ing title but to save/protect as many clubs as possible from going to the wall. They could easily vote on a quick rule change to distribute funds now and work out the wider ramifications as the lockdown situation progresses. Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, colinmaroon said: Corruption pure and simple! Colin when I say this to my mate he thinks it's my imagine. As far as I'm concerned they are corrupt. I detest that organisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Heartsofgold said: Sportsound saying that Dundee voted no. Signed slip seen by presenter This is stinking to high heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Wow SPFL clearly putting pressure on Dundee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Kheredine BBC says he's seen Dundee's voting slip signed by John Helms and John Nelms told Partick and Inverness email was sent. SPFL say email not received. But Dundee then emailed SPFL after 5pm to say not to consider their vote. Edited April 11, 2020 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSK Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 This is already Hollywood stuff on Sportsound. What a mess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Darth Sidious said: This is stinking to high heaven. Think someone has had a word with Dundee and now they will change their mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel eyes Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 34 minutes ago, stevie1874 said: What kind of a team will we be able to field should our better players invoke relegation clauses. It doesn’t matter as long as we have11 guys on the park that give 100%......But then if we’d had that already we’d no be in this position now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Dundee have been leaned on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Tom English saying Dundee now proposing a new resolution. Some discussions took place yesterday. But John Nelms has turned his phone off today. Edited April 11, 2020 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 So they reckon told people they were voting No, sent in a slip saying No, says skip has been seen, SPFL said it didn’t receive it. Dundee then asked for their vote to be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalOrder74 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, PTBCAL said: Think someone has had a word with Dundee and now they will change their mind You'd imagine if they were to change their mind they would have had to do it there and then Now that they have delayed their mind change its exposed the whole thing and both Dundee and that mob cant hide it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 SFPL sounding very suspect in this. Oh we didnt get a No vote but they received one that now Dundee are saying to ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 It's pretty clear Dundee have been got at ,any other reason just doesnt make sense . Tin pot amateur clubbie corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: I'm picking them as the current holders of the top 2 positions. Just like we are being picked for expulsion due to our current position (yes, I'm deliberatly using explution). So what's your solution then??? This season is NEVER going to be completed. NEVER. Your argument means the Celtic cannot be awarded the title as that's the Premiership equivalent of promotion, That means 1 option. Voiding the season completely. This will also never happen as the sponsers and broadcasters will want their money back. Millions that the SPFL don't have. It would also involve ZERO prize money being handed to clubs. Nothing, nada, zilch. Is that a viable option in your opinion?? Voiding the season means no representatives for the 2020/2021 European competitions. Do the think the Glasgow Arse Cheeks or the Sheep will be happy with that outcome? If there is no chance of the season being finished and no chance of the season being voided then I would say we end the season as it is with no promotion or relegation. Why should Dundee United be in the top division when they haven't even won their league? Why should they and another random team be invited to join the top league? What logic is there in doing that and deciding that Hearts should remain in the same league with them? If they want to finish the season as it is then fine do that then, hand out the prize money for where clubs have finished but there shouldn't be promotion/relegation and Celtic shouldn't be handed the title for a league they didn't win. Why don't they have a vote on that outcome and see how it looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Kheredine BBC says he's seen Dundee's voting slip signed by John Helms and John Nelms told Partick and Inverness email was sent. SPFL say email not received. But Dundee then emailed SPFL after 5pm to say not to consider their vote. Exactly. If SPFL said they didn't receive email from Dundee why did Dundee contact them to tell them they wanted them to disregard their vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, PTBCAL said: Think someone has had a word with Dundee and now they will change their mind Absolute certainty. Why would they ask their vote to be considered not cast if they thought the had already voted no?! They wouldn’t want to be seen as the team scuppering this deal and putting clubs at risk - this is the pressure that will be getting put on them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Funny how one email saying no, fails to arrive. The other saying whoa, does Stitch up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Shanks said: If there is no chance of the season being finished and no chance of the season being voided then I would say we end the season as it is with no promotion or relegation. Why should Dundee United be in the top division when they haven't even won their league? Why should they and another random team be invited to join the top league? What logic is there in doing that and deciding that Hearts should remain in the same league with them? If they want to finish the season as it is then fine do that then, hand out the prize money for where clubs have finished but there shouldn't be promotion/relegation and Celtic shouldn't be handed the title for a league they didn't win. Why don't they have a vote on that outcome and see how it looks. That's voiding the season!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Tom English saying Dundee now proposing a new resolution. Some discussions took place yesterday. But John Nelms has turned his phone off today. Probably too busy talking to Doncaster on his other phone. Edited April 11, 2020 by Fozzyonthefence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 This is fecking comical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyowalnut Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Only in Scottish football would this shambles happen. Well, maybe Russian or Italian football! I'm close to being done with football if Dundee come back with a yes vote, clearly there is pressure being put on. All the statement had to say last night was that no resolution had been found. No clubs named. We have said for years that the SFA/SPL/SPFL is a corrupt, backward administration. Proven correct, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: That's voiding the season!!!!! So sky have said they are going to ask for all their money back unless we give Celtic the title? Why would they even care about that? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Dagger Is Back said: Funny how one email saying no, fails to arrive. The other saying whoa, does Stitch up They got the email. Partick and Inverness would be more obvious No voters. Dundee would the obvious one to go back to and negotiate with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Fozzyonthefence said: Probably too busy talking to Doncaster on his other phone. Good point. 3 days of negotiations till Dundee vote Yes on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: Funny how one email saying no, fails to arrive. The other saying whoa, does Stitch up Does anybody know any ethical hackers who could look into this 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH23-Jambo Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Listen to Sportsound. Incredible. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_scotland_fm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Shanks said: So sky have said they are going to ask for all their money back unless we give Celtic the title? Why would they even care about that? . No, Sky and other broadcasters will not let a voided season lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: They got the email. Partick and Inverness would be more obvious No voters. Dundee would the obvious one to go back to and negotiate with. Mikey, the SPFL didn't get Dundees no email. As far as I recall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSK Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Michael Stewart is making some great points here. Never thought I’d say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Mikey Stewart calling it bang on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stotty Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, busby1985 said: Mikey Stewart calling it bang on here. Bang on the money yes. This is an absolute scandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, tokyowalnut said: Only in Scottish football would this shambles happen. Well, maybe Russian or Italian football! I'm close to being done with football if Dundee come back with a yes vote, clearly there is pressure being put on. All the statement had to say last night was that no resolution had been found. No clubs named. We have said for years that the SFA/SPL/SPFL is a corrupt, backward administration. Proven correct, again. The main thing is SPFL want to force this through. Lots of clubs - not just the No voters want a full, detailed discussion on coming to a consensus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Michael Stewart was bang on there. Money can be released now, it doesn't need this resolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 The failed chippy owner was just schooled again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Costanza said: Michael Stewart was bang on there. Money can be released now, it doesn't need this resolution Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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