Victorian Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The ones with further years on their contracts should get their heads out of their arses and accept 50% of their comfortable wages for a bit of security and stability. That's the be all and end all of their calculation. They're ****ing arseholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: I get what you’re saying but not all footballers are on huge money to the extent they can write off 50% and also, their numbers are a drop in the ocean compared to the number of UK workers earning in excess of, say, £100k per annum. I don’t see anyone in my business taking a cut. Or my wife’s business. Are teachers? They aren’t all working. However, I am disappointed if Hearts players are not helping their own staff by taking affordable cuts themselves, such as Naismith has done. Edit: and if you don’t like them, you know what to do when it’s time to renew your season ticket or renew your Sky subscription. Sky broadcast tons of stuff and have developed some sort of reality check over the years to less fortunate customers. You do have to negotiate but at least they do make cuts. Footballers, its tough isn't it. You want to support Hearts just not the ***** that would see the receptionist out of a job. You are correct not all earn a fortune, but I would be staggered if any fell beyond the poverty line at our club even on 50%, and of course it wasn't a permanent 50%. But Hearts are a drop in the ocean compared to some other clubs. Kind of in the middle. We have those who want to help and those who don't. Leeds reacted brilliantly as a group. Barcelona players too. Others not a peep. Moral dilemmas eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Louis Valois Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: If wages are to be deferred then I guess the club will have no problem with me deferring my season ticket purchase. Absolutely. Absolutely no chance I'll be renewing anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Last Laff said: Fair enough. FW has every right to get what’s best for the players though and if he feels the players have been put into a difficult situation and are (correctly Imo) upset as to how this has played out he’s going to defend his clientele. I don’t think he’s mischief making in the slightest though and he always comes across as completely professional. The Directors of HMFC PLC have a duty to do what they believe to be in the interest of the business and club in the very short term, after all they will stand up at the AGM not FW or TH. Our circumstances are unique in this current shutdown until the authorities give clear guidance and certainty over our league status. When we have the answer to this question then I think it would be prudent for members of the PFA Scotland to ask for advice, I've said on here before that playing hardball over this is counterproductive and may not end the way some players expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, ShedBoy said: I was the same with the word prorogue .......... Is “overporndose” a word yet? think it will be soon 🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Sky broadcast tons of stuff and have developed some sort of reality check over the years to less fortunate customers. You do have to negotiate but at least they do make cuts. Footballers, its tough isn't it. You want to support Hearts just not the ***** that would see the receptionist out of a job. You are correct not all earn a fortune, but I would be staggered if any fell beyond the poverty line at our club even on 50%, and of course it wasn't a permanent 50%. But Hearts are a drop in the ocean compared to some other clubs. Kind of in the middle. We have those who want to help and those who don't. Leeds reacted brilliantly as a group. Barcelona players too. Others not a peep. Moral dilemmas eh Sorry, but your first paragraph 😂 Like I said, if you have contempt for the players, cut off their income by not buying tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Sorry, but your first paragraph 😂 Like I said, if you have contempt for the players, cut off their income by not buying tickets. I know people will think that, big organisations etc, but from personal experience I know it to be true and particularly with elderly. Some money is better than none, and it boosts figures for advertising. Contempt for players, does that mean you have to cut your nose off to spite your face? Nah, I'll continue to condemn them instead Edited April 1, 2020 by Sir Gio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skivingatwork Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I’m hoping that out of this whole crisis that sport in general, but in particular football, gets the wake up call it badly needs. The majorly of people will be cancelling their Sky and BT sport subscriptions and all may not return if they either don’t miss it and/or have found something more productive to fill their time with. People seeing football players act in such an entitled manner, when the average family are struggling, will not go down well and is unlikely to be forgotten when they are asked to renew. The top 2 divisions in England live off the money from Sky and are able to rack up eye watering debt levels to either get to, or survive in, the premiership. Any significant reduction in that revenue leads to the collapse of the status quo and the exit of the billionaire owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: That is correct. Completely agree. It pains me, as I’m usually first out the traps to renew. It isn’t even the uncertainty of what league we’ll be playing in that is stopping me, it’s the reaction of the players whose inflated wages are paid by us mere mortals who are carrying the weight of the world at the moment. Expecting someone who is on 80% of their income to fork out so these shitebags can continue to get paid 100% of theirs while sitting on their arse doing **** all. No chance. I’d bin the lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieG Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 https://twitter.com/PFAScotland/status/1245402222164430848/photo/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 55 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: Not disagreeing with you except...”siege mentality”? At Hearts? 😂😂 I mean in general on here. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, Kidd’s Boots said: The Directors of HMFC PLC have a duty to do what they believe to be in the interest of the business and club in the very short term, after all they will stand up at the AGM not FW or TH. Our circumstances are unique in this current shutdown until the authorities give clear guidance and certainty over our league status. When we have the answer to this question then I think it would be prudent for members of the PFA Scotland to ask for advice, I've said on here before that playing hardball over this is counterproductive and may not end the way some players expect. They also have a duty to protect their employees. Playing hardball with no compromise isn’t good ethics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Dazo said: Treated like adults and ultimatums ? Do you mean you want them treated differently from the rest of the working population? They face stark choices in order to save the club going out of business. Exposing them to that is ultimatums, it’s the reality of the situation. If they can’t grasp that maybe they aren’t adults. No I mean compromising, something the majority of football clubs looks to be doing with their players - treating them as humans and looking at them individually instead of collectively telling them to take a 50% cut with no chance of getting the money back in the future while also asking agents to sound out players for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blairdin Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Gashauskis9 said: It pains me, as I’m usually first out the traps to renew. It isn’t even the uncertainty of what league we’ll be playing in that is stopping me, it’s the reaction of the players whose inflated wages are paid by us mere mortals who are carrying the weight of the world at the moment. Expecting someone who is on 80% of their income to fork out so these shitebags can continue to get paid 100% of theirs while sitting on their arse doing **** all. No chance. I’d bin the lot of them. Fantastic post. Agree with this 110%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said: We don't know what each individual player has said to their club. We do know that in Scotland, we have seen very little sign, Naismith apart, of any player coming out and saying I will take a cut. If they behaved like adults, they might find they get a little more respect. The players shouldn’t be given that ultimatum without a group discussion though, that’s the vital part. It’s been decided and that’s that. That is also what the pfa are trying to discuss with the club to get a compromise. It doesn’t look good when the other clubs are promising the players get their money back either. That will further disillusion players who have been told to halve their wages or do one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flem Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, RonnieG said: https://twitter.com/PFAScotland/status/1245402222164430848/photo/1 **** them in my opinion, just release them from their contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, RonnieG said: https://twitter.com/PFAScotland/status/1245402222164430848/photo/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I get the sense in both England and Scotland that the PFA are fighting to stay relevant here. A lot of players could probably negotiate these things without them and that’s the thin end of the wedge for a union. All the same, the club should have anticipated this. You can’t cut players wages with impunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts Fridge Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The players are going to come out of this very badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieRules22 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Is it a good number of players or just a few, what are we looking at here ? For what they have served up for over a year there almost in breach of their contracts as it is.....take the 50% or **** off should be the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo92 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Can someone explain what they mean by this statement? That want their wages deferred till a later date + the government 80%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamb0_1874 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Last Laff said: The players shouldn’t be given that ultimatum without a group discussion though, that’s the vital part. It’s been decided and that’s that. That is also what the pfa are trying to discuss with the club to get a compromise. It doesn’t look good when the other clubs are promising the players get their money back either. That will further disillusion players who have been told to halve their wages or do one. Am sure most of the people who have been sent home on furlough on here havent had this group dicussion that you are saying that the players should have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flem Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, GorgieRules22 said: Is it a good number of players or just a few, what are we looking at here ? For what they have served up for over a year there almost in breach of their contracts as it is.....take the 50% or **** off should be the message. Correct, especially if there is indeed a clause in there contract that allows us to do this at no cost to the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Last Laff said: The players shouldn’t be given that ultimatum without a group discussion though, that’s the vital part. It’s been decided and that’s that. That is also what the pfa are trying to discuss with the club to get a compromise. It doesn’t look good when the other clubs are promising the players get their money back either. That will further disillusion players who have been told to halve their wages or do one. **** the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Barack said: We've spent the entire season to date, saying how much the majority of these players look like they don't give a **** about the eventual outcome. Now we should be feeling sorry for their feelings getting hurt, while thousands of people die across the uk and the world...? C'mon, laff. In month's from now, when we're still counting the financial and personal cost of this pandemic, will anyone really care what measures were taken in order to safeguard Hearts as a business. Or any business?! If other people's outside viewpoint of how Hearts handle this, figures high on their thinking, or multi-billion valued clubs like Tottenham or Newcastle, then re-evaluation of their priorities and perspective in life need addressed. Fast. I don’t care about them. They can all **** off as far as I’m concerned. But sadly, it is not Hearts’ prerogative to just decide what happens with their wages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jambo92 said: Can someone explain what they mean by this statement? That want their wages deferred till a later date + the government 80%? They don't want to lose any wages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jambo92 said: Can someone explain what they mean by this statement? That want their wages deferred till a later date + the government 80%? The players don't qualify for the 80% Government support, only the other full time employees i.e. admin, club store, ground staff etc. The PFA are asking the club to defer part of the players wages as other clubs have come out to say they will do. Which is all well and good for clubs who are guaranteed Premier League football the next time a season starts. In my opinion, AB would have done the same thing if she know that we were in the top flight, but until someone confirms this, then 50% is the prudent steps. , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Personally I think the vast majority of our players know they are out on their ear come the end of their contracts and are not giving a **** about anything else other than their payslips . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south morocco Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 What’s likely to happen now guys, anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilberts Fridge Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Nearly 900 people have died from this in the last 48h Wimbledon cancelled Festival cancelled A 4000 bed emergency field hospital built in London and more planned We are bottom of the league because of this lot They and the PFA can do one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, south morocco said: What’s likely to happen now guys, anyone know? Button pressed on cancelling contracts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The Players have : Failed to perform under Levein, MacPhee and Stendel. equalled then worst ever run in the clubs 146 year history. won only 3 league matches in the whole of 2019? 3 league wins at home in about 18 months? won only 2 league matches in the whole of 2020? Currently sit 4 points adrift at the bottom of the league having just lost to St Mirren in the biggest match of the season without registering a single shot on target. Rebelled against the new manager making them attend match days if they aren’t “fit”. Rebelled against being asked to report to training daily when “injured”. Rebelled against being asked to train harder and to learn a new formation and playing style. Ran to the press to air and leak negative stories about the club. and have now refused the clubs request to take a drop in wages to safe guard the future of not only the club but the non playing staff who spend their days making the players life’s easier. This group of players better negotiate terminations of their contracts ASAP as none of them, Naismith aside, will ever be forgiven IMO. I’ve never known a group of players so out of touch with us, the fans. They have no shame, which we knew with their performances over the past two seasons but I never knew just how much they didn’t care about us or the club. Sack them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south morocco Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Mikey1874 said: Button pressed on cancelling contracts The ones who won’t accept a pay cut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, Last Laff said: They also have a duty to protect their employees. Playing hardball with no compromise isn’t good ethics. What don’t you get here? Protecting their employees? They could have just made 50% of the non-playing staff redundant. Would that have been protecting them? How do you know there is no compromise? At no point have we given the players an ultimatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, busby1985 said: The Players have : Failed to perform under Levein, MacPhee and Stendel. equalled then worst ever run in the clubs 146 year history. won only 3 league matches in the whole of 2019? 3 league wins at home in about 18 months? won only 2 league matches in the whole of 2020? Currently sit 4 points adrift at the bottom of the league having just lost to St Mirren in the biggest match of the season without registering a single shot on target. Rebelled against the new manager making them attend match days if they aren’t “fit”. Rebelled against being asked to report to training daily when “injured”. Rebelled against being asked to train harder and to learn a new formation and playing style. Ran to the press to air and leak negative stories about the club. and have now refused the clubs request to take a drop in wages to safe guard the future of not only the club but the non playing staff who spend their days making the players life’s easier. This group of players better negotiate terminations of their contracts ASAP as none of them, Naismith aside, will ever be forgiven IMO. I’ve never known a group of players so out of touch with us, the fans. They have no shame, which we knew with their performances over the past two seasons but I never knew just how much they didn’t care about us or the club. Sack them all. Or at least the ones who have refused request to take a cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Or at least the ones who have refused request to take a cut. The PFA are representing all of the players. Only Naismith has accepted the clubs request. Dikamona agreed to terminate his contract early. Everyone else has got behind the decision to get the PFA involved as they don’t want their wages cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackal Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 There is the saying that no player is worth more than the club, this is the time to prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, Last Laff said: No I mean compromising, something the majority of football clubs looks to be doing with their players - treating them as humans and looking at them individually instead of collectively telling them to take a 50% cut 24 minutes ago, Last Laff said: The players shouldn’t be given that ultimatum without a group discussion though Which one is it to be, individual or collective? Or just give them what they ask for because they are the first team..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roller Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 @Le Chat nails it. And as for that PFA statement- sack the lot of them. Beyond ****in caring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, Last Laff said: No I mean compromising, something the majority of football clubs looks to be doing with their players - treating them as humans and looking at them individually instead of collectively telling them to take a 50% cut with no chance of getting the money back in the future while also asking agents to sound out players for next season. This isn’t a negotiation though so nothing to comprise on. We might not like it but if 50% reduction is what it takes to save the club and people’s jobs then that’s it. Or should we compromise and go out of business ? Just so a few players and some of our fans feel better about it all. Tough times require tough decisions, no compromise required on this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, Last Laff said: The players shouldn’t be given that ultimatum without a group discussion though, that’s the vital part. It’s been decided and that’s that. That is also what the pfa are trying to discuss with the club to get a compromise. It doesn’t look good when the other clubs are promising the players get their money back either. That will further disillusion players who have been told to halve their wages or do one. The club don’t have a contract with the ‘group’ though do they. Technically they can’t discuss an employees contract of employment with another employee. To be honest if you believe our players should get all their wages over this period, either paid on time or deferred to a later date, yet the non-playing staff all take a 20% pay cut then I’d suggest you are just about the only one on this forum with those thoughts. Think about it. It was surely clear from day 1 that a massive reduction, circa 50%, in playing staff costs was required to cover the 3-6 month period with no income. That’s the bulk of our cost structure. How does deferred payment of 100% of wages resolve that problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, Jambo92 said: Can someone explain what they mean by this statement? That want their wages deferred till a later date + the government 80%? Reads that way doesn’t it. Surely not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Squirt said: A guy I know went into hospital to get his throat checked as it had been bothering him 5 days ago. Not symptoms of Coronavirus just a bad throat but they decided to test him anyway to be sure, fair enough good idea eh. They told him to go home and dont leave the house, if the test is positive we’ll have called you within 24 hours as of course it’s serious and you need to know ASAP. If the test is negative we just won’t call you at all. He waited 48 hours to be safe, never heard anything and so assumed he was in the clear and went to work the day after. He got a call when he got home from work to say he has tested positive and needs to self-isolate. He’s a ticket man on public transport. He was in tears. Not because of his own health but he’s worried he’s potentially handed it on to someone who could die and all after following all the rules to the letter. That's dreadful. Where is your friend based.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodami Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, Barack said: We've spent the entire season to date, saying how much the majority of these players look like they don't give a **** about the eventual outcome. Now we should be feeling sorry for their feelings getting hurt, while thousands of people die across the uk and the world...? C'mon, laff. In month's from now, when we're still counting the financial and personal cost of this pandemic, will anyone really care what measures were taken in order to safeguard Hearts as a business. Or any business?! If other people's outside viewpoint of how Hearts handle this, figures high on their thinking, or multi-billion valued clubs like Tottenham or Newcastle, then re-evaluation of their priorities and perspective in life need addressed. Fast. Nail on the head. I cannot find the words to fully express my disgust at the majority of the players at the club. On every level now. I would have some respect for outside views of the club if they had also been forced to witness the heartless efforts of these gutless charlatans on a weekly basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The players, whilst contractually correct, have made a right mess of this. They've misjudged things here, and as the news gets worse and worse over the next few weeks, they'll look more out of step with their base. It'll be a long road back for them and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a total clear out when all is said and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, busby1985 said: The PFA are representing all of the players. Only Naismith has accepted the clubs request. Dikamona agreed to terminate his contract early. Everyone else has got behind the decision to get the PFA involved as they don’t want their wages cut. If that is the case, and I have no evidence one way or another, bin the whole lot. Chicken hearted bunch of money grabbing wankers are not fit to wear the shirt of any club, never mind our one. Been said before, the vast majority of footballers are parasites on society, living a lifestyle that most will never reach and yet refusing to give up any of it to help their fellow man. Led by the sour faced ***** that is Wishart, they demand everything, yet will yield nothing. Along with Branson, Stelios, Green and many others of their ilk, they have no care or comprehension as to how they are viewed by us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, busby1985 said: The PFA are representing all of the players. Only Naismith has accepted the clubs request. Dikamona agreed to terminate his contract early. Everyone else has got behind the decision to get the PFA involved as they don’t want their wages cut. I know of at least two others who have agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, Gilberts Fridge said: Nearly 900 people have died from this in the last 48h Wimbledon cancelled Festival cancelled A 4000 bed emergency field hospital built in London and more planned We are bottom of the league because of this lot They and the PFA can do one. Absolutely this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: The players, whilst contractually correct, have made a right mess of this. They've misjudged things here, and as the news gets worse and worse over the next few weeks, they'll look more out of step with their base. It'll be a long road back for them and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a total clear out when all is said and done. and this too ^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, buzzbomb said: I know of at least two others who have agreed. Care to share? The statement from the PFA says they are representing the players and no one other than Naismith has said they are accepting the cut. That makes me think that the players have agreed to contacting the PFA and the players have given the green light for the statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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