The rise and fall of The SNP.

[Alex Kintner]

1 minute ago, Ron Burgundy said:

That's the problem. She did absolutely nothing but her fan boys think that's ok.

 

Like a 10 year old autograph hunter at Live Aid.

What did you expect her to do that she didn’t?

 

She made the best of a shite hand from what I saw. She met with leaders and tried to influence the decision-making informally. She chaired a couple of seminars and made a couple of speeches. She also publicly called out BoJo opening for abandoning the discussions at the crucial point.

[The Mighty Thor]

2 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

Very clever from NS. Use COP26 to schmooze key leaders, gather some positive headlines from leaders’ comments about her but not actually be tied to the disastrous policy making. 👍🏻

Aye but what did she do likesy?

[Ron Burgundy]

1 minute ago, Alex Kintner said:

What did you expect her to do that she didn’t?

 

She made the best of a shite hand from what I saw. She met with leaders and tried to influence the decision-making informally. She chaired a couple of seminars and made a couple of speeches. She also publicly called out BoJo opening for abandoning the discussions at the crucial point.

Nothing , I expected her to do nothing which is what she did other than try to be included and grab photo opportunities for Der Party Propaganda..

 

Her fan club thinks that's great, I get it. 

 

Our political situation is so depressing. Wee Nazi Nic or Slavering devious moronic Bojo. What a choice. 

 

Scotland and the R of UK would be a far better place without either IMO.

 

 

[Unknown user]

7 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Nothing , I expected her to do nothing which is what she did other than try to be included and grab photo opportunities for Der Party Propaganda..

 

Her fan club thinks that's great, I get it. 

 

Our political situation is so depressing. Wee Nazi Nic or Slavering devious moronic Bojo. What a choice. 

 

Scotland and the R of UK would be a far better place without either IMO.

 

 

 

 it's one thing to be against independence but that's just ****ing moronic!

[pablo]

Sturgeon has chucked it. To be honest, you can hardly blame her, but she'll know it's over for her.

 

The schmoozing at the COP will have been a networking exercise with her next gig in mind, rather than anything else. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

That's the problem. She did absolutely nothing but her fan boys think that's ok.

 

Like a 10 year old autograph hunter at Live Aid.

Savage but so true. It was actually embarrassing when she publicised selfies with her and prominent real leaders and influencers' in the world. Embarrassing and desperate . 

15 minutes ago, pablo said:

Sturgeon has chucked it. To be honest, you can hardly blame her, but she'll know it's over for her.

 

The schmoozing at the COP will have been a networking exercise with her next gig in mind, rather than anything else. 

Oh she was networking,  thats for sure. She did very well doing that. 

[pablo]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Savage but so true. It was actually embarrassing when she publicised selfies with her and prominent real leaders and influencers' in the world. Embarrassing and desperate . 

Oh she was networking,  thats for sure. She did very well doing that. 

 

Surely that will only become apparent when her next role is known?

[Alex Kintner]

2 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Surely that will only become apparent when her next role is known?

She’s not going anywhere quickly, especially when she is so popular in the polls.

[manaliveits105]

1 hour ago, Alex Kintner said:

Very clever from NS. Use COP26 to schmooze key leaders, gather some positive headlines from leaders’ comments about her but not actually be tied to the disastrous policy making. 👍🏻

Yep her usual m.o. in her day job 

grab the headlines but not be tied to the disastrous policy making by SG 

 

[pablo]

30 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

She’s not going anywhere quickly, especially when she is so popular in the polls.

 

Her approval rating although still high has been steadily dropping.

 

But more importantly, she can't deliver another referendum. And the support just isn't there even if she could.

 

She looks bored of Holyrood every day politics now and at her age, who could blame her wanting to do something new.

[Alex Kintner]

6 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Her approval rating although still high has been steadily dropping.

 

But more importantly, she can't deliver another referendum. And the support just isn't there even if she could.

 

She looks bored of Holyrood every day politics now and at her age, who could blame her wanting to do something new.

Still more than half the country thinks she’s doing a good job and that’s pretty good considering all the mud thrown about during the Salmond scandal. She also had a convincing election win six months ago. She can stay as long as she can be arsed.

 

The referendum issue is an interesting one. The more Westminster blocks the mandate for a second referendum then the more it evidences the argument about being treated with disrespect. If I was BJ I would green light it for 2023 as I think it is the best chance of a No result. The more time passes the greater the likelihood of a Yes win given the voter characteristics. Personally I’d happily wait ten years for a guaranteed Yes than risk losing in two years then having to potentially wait 25 more years.

[Savage Vince]

2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

That's the problem. She did absolutely nothing but her fan boys think that's ok.

 

Like a 10 year old autograph hunter at Live Aid.

 

What the actual ****. 😁

[Boab]

15 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

Still more than half the country thinks she’s doing a good job and that’s pretty good considering all the mud thrown about during the Salmond scandal. She also had a convincing election win six months ago. She can stay as long as she can be arsed.

 

The referendum issue is an interesting one. The more Westminster blocks the mandate for a second referendum then the more it evidences the argument about being treated with disrespect. If I was BJ I would green light it for 2023 as I think it is the best chance of a No result. The more time passes the greater the likelihood of a Yes win given the voter characteristics. Personally I’d happily wait ten years for a guaranteed Yes than risk losing in two years then having to potentially wait 25 more years.

This has been the puzzling thing for many. If it's likely to fail a second time, the unionists, not the Nats, should be the ones demanding a ref. Unless it's bluster and they are not sure they will win.

I say go for it by 2023 at the latest, because if it rumbles on beyond that, it will never go away. A second no would finish the Nats though, maybe why they are hesitant. Again, it's an opportunity for the unionists, why not take it ?

Can you imagine the bunfight if they acceded to it tomorrow and the Nat's knocked it back ?

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, pablo said:

 

Surely that will only become apparent when her next role is known?

I can imagine her doing something in climate change or the like.  something trendy and with no real measurable outcomes. 

47 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Her approval rating although still high has been steadily dropping.

 

But more importantly, she can't deliver another referendum. And the support just isn't there even if she could.

 

She looks bored of Holyrood every day politics now and at her age, who could blame her wanting to do something new.

I think she is. She looks drained now. 

35 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

Still more than half the country thinks she’s doing a good job and that’s pretty good considering all the mud thrown about during the Salmond scandal. She also had a convincing election win six months ago. She can stay as long as she can be arsed.

 

The referendum issue is an interesting one. The more Westminster blocks the mandate for a second referendum then the more it evidences the argument about being treated with disrespect. If I was BJ I would green light it for 2023 as I think it is the best chance of a No result. The more time passes the greater the likelihood of a Yes win given the voter characteristics. Personally I’d happily wait ten years for a guaranteed Yes than risk losing in two years then having to potentially wait 25 more years.

When  i was an Indy supporter ( pre covid) I was in the same camp of willing to wait for 10 or even 15 years for the next vote as long as the polls were clear the Yes would win. MY Indy friends had the opposite view. I now think the natives are getting restless and there needs to be a vote by the end of 2023 or its finished. I think it will be a resounding no yet again.  When it is a no thats Indy in the bin for a real generation. 30 years plus. 

[Alex Kintner]

7 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I can imagine her doing something in climate change or the like.  something trendy and with no real measurable outcomes. 

I think she is. She looks drained now. 

When  i was an Indy supporter ( pre covid) I was in the same camp of willing to wait for 10 or even 15 years for the next vote as long as the polls were clear the Yes would win. MY Indy friends had the opposite view. I now think the natives are getting restless and there needs to be a vote by the end of 2023 or its finished. I think it will be a resounding no yet again.  When it is a no thats Indy in the bin for a real generation. 30 years plus. 

There’s a vocal minority making noises about being impatient but they’re mostly Alba types. More balanced Indy supporters realise Covid is the priority right now and Indy has to go on the back burner.

[pablo]

13 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

Still more than half the country thinks she’s doing a good job and that’s pretty good considering all the mud thrown about during the Salmond scandal. She also had a convincing election win six months ago. She can stay as long as she can be arsed.

 

The referendum issue is an interesting one. The more Westminster blocks the mandate for a second referendum then the more it evidences the argument about being treated with disrespect. If I was BJ I would green light it for 2023 as I think it is the best chance of a No result. The more time passes the greater the likelihood of a Yes win given the voter characteristics. Personally I’d happily wait ten years for a guaranteed Yes than risk losing in two years then having to potentially wait 25 more years.

 

There's no mandate and until the economic argument for independence is answered, nothing will ever change.

 

It's only Separatists who feel disrespected, nobody else does. That's your problem and I fully understand that you'll be blind to that reality. 

[Unknown user]

1 minute ago, pablo said:

 

There's no mandate and until the economic argument for independence is answered, nothing will ever change.

 

It's only Separatists who feel disrespected, nobody else does. That's your problem and I fully understand that you'll be blind to that reality. 

So you say, sounds like hope talking to me.

[Alex Kintner]

1 minute ago, pablo said:

 

There's no mandate and until the economic argument for independence is answered, nothing will ever change.

 

It's only Separatists who feel disrespected, nobody else does. That's your problem and I fully understand that you'll be blind to that reality. 

Without going into this tired old argument again, there’s a majority of MPs in Holyrood who stood on a manifesto of implementing of second referendum. That’s a democratic mandate however you try to spin it.

A point blank refusal by Westminster (which they’re carefully avoiding just now) just adds more people to the side of wanting a referendum. There’s a lot of people out there who are No voters but still recognise that we have the right to decide our own future. Some of those No’s will turn to Maybe’s the longer WM resists.

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

There's no mandate and until the economic argument for independence is answered, nothing will ever change.

 

It's only Separatists who feel disrespected, nobody else does. That's your problem and I fully understand that you'll be blind to that reality. 

👍

[Roxy Hearts]

2 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

There's no mandate and until the economic argument for independence is answered, nothing will ever change.

 

It's only Separatists who feel disrespected, nobody else does. That's your problem and I fully understand that you'll be blind to that reality. 

The economic argument is for cowardly unionists. Scotland will do just fine like most normal countries. If we base our strategy on Westminster then we'll have eye-watering amounts of debt! 

[pablo]

9 minutes ago, Smithee said:

So you say, sounds like hope talking to me.

 

Okay.....guess we'll see.

[Unknown user]

Just now, pablo said:

 

Okay.....guess we'll see.

Well obvs

[pablo]

7 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

Without going into this tired old argument again, there’s a majority of MPs in Holyrood who stood on a manifesto of implementing of second referendum. That’s a democratic mandate however you try to spin it.

A point blank refusal by Westminster (which they’re carefully avoiding just now) just adds more people to the side of wanting a referendum. There’s a lot of people out there who are No voters but still recognise that we have the right to decide our own future. Some of those No’s will turn to Maybe’s the longer WM resists.

 

Westminster doesn't need to do anything. Ever. That's the bottom line.

 

We don't even live in a Union. There's no mechanism to opt out. The UK is the result of a Union between Scotland and England. 

 

I know that the reality of this is difficult for Separatists. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alex Kintner]

9 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Westminster doesn't need to do anything. Ever. That's the bottom line.

 

We don't even live in a Union. There's no mechanism to opt out. The UK is the result of a Union between Scotland and England. 

 

I know that the reality of this is difficult for Separatists. 

 

[Roxy Hearts]

9 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

Westminster doesn't need to do anything. Ever. That's the bottom line.

 

We don't even live in a Union. There's no mechanism to opt out. The UK is the result of a Union between Scotland and England. 

 

I know that the reality of this is difficult for Separatists. 

 

 

 

 

 

"We don't even live in a Union" but " a union between Scotland and England". "Separatists" away you go ya slaver!

[Ron Burgundy]

37 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

The economic argument is for cowardly unionists. Scotland will do just fine like most normal countries. If we base our strategy on Westminster then we'll have eye-watering amounts of debt! 

It's for adults and people with jobs, mortgages and pensions. Also folk with kids might ne interested in the economic argument.

[pablo]

18 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

"We don't even live in a Union" but " a union between Scotland and England". "Separatists" away you go ya slaver!

 

The result of a Union hundreds of years ago! 

 

Look, I genuinely feel a bit sorry for you. Being taken in by them and us Nationalism.

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It's for adults and people with jobs, mortgages and pensions. Also folk with kids might ne interested in the economic argument.

Exactly.  People need to think outside the box about this issue and think of the repercussion's for their children and grand children .   I haven't neither so i  can selfishly vote for Yes if i was so inclined. I do wonder if those voting yes have deck all to lose really. Obviously not the majority but a fair few.  All for a sllly line on a map really. That's all it really is about.  Are we really that different from English people ? if so in what way?  its always rather an arrogant and bigoted response one gets to that answer. "  Scotland is a more inclusive country" bla  bla bla. 

[Roxy Hearts]

13 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

It's for adults and people with jobs, mortgages and pensions. Also folk with kids might ne interested in the economic argument.

I've got that too bud. You don't trust the Scottish people to run our affairs that's your issue.

 

9 minutes ago, pablo said:

 

The result of a Union hundreds of years ago! 

 

Look, I genuinely feel a bit sorry for you. Being taken in by them and us Nationalism.

Don't feel sorry for me. Your form of Nationlism is and has been brutal!

[Ron Burgundy]

Just now, Roxy Hearts said:

I've got that too bud. You don't trust the Scottish people to run our affairs that's your issue.

 

Don't feel sorry for me. Your form of Nationlism is and has been brutal!

If they laid out their financial plans and cut out the Brexit Bus type promises then I may trust them. Problem for me is that if the finances were viable then they would have been laid bare before the last referendum.

 

And no I do not trust the SNP one bit. Nothing to do with the nationality of the party, all to do with their lies , spin and failures.

 

They and the Tories sicken me equally.

[Roxy Hearts]

9 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Exactly.  People need to think outside the box about this issue and think of the repercussion's for their children and grand children .   I haven't neither so i  can selfishly vote for Yes if i was so inclined. I do wonder if those voting yes have deck all to lose really. Obviously not the majority but a fair few.  All for a sllly line on a map really. That's all it really is about.  Are we really that different from English people ? if so in what way?  its always rather an arrogant and bigoted response one gets to that answer. "  Scotland is a more inclusive country" bla  bla bla. 

It's how we could be governed. I don't trust Westminster parties. I want to be able to "vote out" governments I don't like. We have an English Nationalist Party governing at the moment at Westminster. 

 

We're not different from English people in general but are certainly different from the buffoons in government and HOL which should be abolished or become democratic. We could do a lot of things differently in Scotland and having a constitution would be a start!

[pablo]

1 minute ago, Roxy Hearts said:

 

 

Don't feel sorry for me. Your form of Nationlism is and has been brutal!

 

But I do feel sorry for you. All Nationalism needs a bogeyman to sell itself. Your bogeyman is Westminster (read England). It's tragic to witness. You probably even consider yourself a progressive. Vote Nationalism and eventually get Socialism.

 

You're like the gullible wee lassie in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie who runs away to join the "wrong" side in the Spanish Civil war.

[Roxy Hearts]

1 minute ago, Ron Burgundy said:

If they laid out their financial plans and cut out the Brexit Bus type promises then I may trust them. Problem for me is that if the finances were viable then they would have been laid bare before the last referendum.

 

And no I do not trust the SNP one bit. Nothing to do with the nationality of the party, all to do with their lies , spin and failures.

 

They and the Tories sicken me equally.

Fair enough. I just want the opportunity for a clean slate on everything!

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, pablo said:

 

But I do feel sorry for you. All Nationalism needs a bogeyman to sell itself. Your bogeyman is Westminster (read England). It's tragic to witness. You probably even consider yourself a progressive. Vote Nationalism and eventually get Socialism.

 

You're like the gullible wee lassie in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie who runs away to join the "wrong" side in the Spanish Civil war.

Mary Mcgregor  

[Roxy Hearts]

1 minute ago, pablo said:

 

But I do feel sorry for you. All Nationalism needs a bogeyman to sell itself. Your bogeyman is Westminster (read England). It's tragic to witness. You probably even consider yourself a progressive. Vote Nationalism and eventually get Socialism.

 

You're like the gullible wee lassie in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie who runs away to join the "wrong" side in the Spanish Civil war.

You post absolute garbage! Westminster is in England and dominated by English MPs and parties. England and its people are great, it's their governments I detest and their insulting behaviour towards Scotland and its people. Gullibility is reserved for unionists! Without the constant propaganda you'd be unable to think for yourself. 

[pablo]

1 minute ago, Roxy Hearts said:

You post absolute garbage! Westminster is in England and dominated by English MPs and parties. England and its people are great, it's their governments I detest and their insulting behaviour towards Scotland and its people. Gullibility is reserved for unionists! Without the constant propaganda you'd be unable to think for yourself. 

[Roxy Hearts]

5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Mary Mcgregor  

Who's Mary McGregor? My Dad's cousin did appear in the film " the prime of Miss Jean Brodie". 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Who's Mary McGregor? My Dad's cousin did appear in the film " the prime of Miss Jean Brodie". 

She  was the daft lassie in it who went to fight on the wrong side . LOL.  OH its a great film  about how teachers can influence for the good and bad.  We can all remember the good or bad teachers from our school days. 

[XB52]

15 hours ago, Francis Albert said:

Be serious now. What significant part did our FM play in COP?

Saleemul Huq, director of the International Center for Climate Change and Development, praised the FM as becoming the "true leader" who has emerged from this summit.

[Alex Kintner]

3 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Exactly.  People need to think outside the box about this issue and think of the repercussion's for their children and grand children .   I haven't neither so i  can selfishly vote for Yes if i was so inclined. I do wonder if those voting yes have deck all to lose really. Obviously not the majority but a fair few.  All for a sllly line on a map really. That's all it really is about.  Are we really that different from English people ? if so in what way?  its always rather an arrogant and bigoted response one gets to that answer. "  Scotland is a more inclusive country" bla  bla bla. 

Being governed by the government we vote for is the key thing for me. I don’t really care if it’s an SNP, Labour, Tory or even Lib Dem govt but as long as they have the full set of powers necessary to run the country in the best interests of Scotland then I’ll be happy 👍🏻

[XB52]

4 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Nothing , I expected her to do nothing which is what she did other than try to be included and grab photo opportunities for Der Party Propaganda..

 

Her fan club thinks that's great, I get it. 

 

Our political situation is so depressing. Wee Nazi Nic or Slavering devious moronic Bojo. What a choice. 

 

Scotland and the R of UK would be a far better place without either IMO.

 

 

Saleemul Huq, director of the International Center for Climate Change and Development, praised the FM as becoming the "true leader" who has emerged from this summit.

[XB52]

4 hours ago, Dazo said:

 

 

 

Nowt then. 

Saleemul Huq, director of the International Center for Climate Change and Development, praised the FM as becoming the "true leader" who has emerged from this summit.

[XB52]

3 hours ago, pablo said:

Sturgeon has chucked it. To be honest, you can hardly blame her, but she'll know it's over for her.

 

The schmoozing at the COP will have been a networking exercise with her next gig in mind, rather than anything else. 

😂😂😂😂

[Alex Kintner]

26 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

If they laid out their financial plans and cut out the Brexit Bus type promises then I may trust them. Problem for me is that if the finances were viable then they would have been laid bare before the last referendum.

 

And no I do not trust the SNP one bit. Nothing to do with the nationality of the party, all to do with their lies , spin and failures.

 

They and the Tories sicken me equally.

There was a hugely detailed white paper before the last referendum. There'll be another one before the next referendum. The economic plans were in there. The problem was that a lot of people thought they were unrealistic.

[XB52]

3 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

There was a hugely detailed white paper before the last referendum. There'll be another one before the next referendum. The economic plans were in there. The problem was that a lot of people thought they were unrealistic.

Exactly. The unionists go on and on about there being no economic details about after independence but there is no campaign yet. Once the real independence campaign gets going then there will be plans laid out. And I can guarantee they will be a lot more detailed than the tory Brexit ones

[manaliveits105]

10 minutes ago, Alex Kintner said:

There was a hugely detailed white paper before the last referendum. There'll be another one before the next referendum. The economic plans were in there. The problem was that a lot of people thought they were unrealistic.

Which turned out to be a pile of shite 

[pablo]

11 minutes ago, XB52 said:

😂😂😂😂

 

There's no prospect of another referendum and certainly not one within the lifetime of this Parliament. There's not even a sustained majority in favour of having one.

 

So why is it ridiculous to suggest Sturgeon might be contemplating other things? She's been FM for 7 years and it's as far away now as it's been since she came to power. She's in her 50s now and has been doing this since she was a teenager. Can't see her signing up for a further 5 years of this in 2026.

 

 

[Beni]

14 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Which turned out to be a pile of shite 

 

You voted for it though, so you're obviously not against independence in principle.

What would have to change now for you to rejoin the Independence campaign?

[Roxy Hearts]

40 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

She  was the daft lassie in it who went to fight on the wrong side . LOL.  OH its a great film  about how teachers can influence for the good and bad.  We can all remember the good or bad teachers from our school days. 

Very good film. Brilliantly played by Maggie Smith.

[Japan Jambo]

3 hours ago, Alex Kintner said:

Still more than half the country thinks she’s doing a good job and that’s pretty good considering all the mud thrown about during the Salmond scandal. She also had a convincing election win six months ago. She can stay as long as she can be arsed.

 

The referendum issue is an interesting one. The more Westminster blocks the mandate for a second referendum then the more it evidences the argument about being treated with disrespect. If I was BJ I would green light it for 2023 as I think it is the best chance of a No result. The more time passes the greater the likelihood of a Yes win given the voter characteristics. Personally I’d happily wait ten years for a guaranteed Yes than risk losing in two years then having to potentially wait 25 more years.

 

He won't which is probably why she hasn't bothered going to the trouble of formulating a plan.