Budge Out.

[John mcCartney]

1 hour ago, JamesM48 said:

I know this is meant to be a joke but he is very knowledgeable about footie...been reading his autobiography which is excellent and he was a right football supporter from childhood..actually " sorry seems to be hardest word" from her  

 

[Hectormasson]

24 minutes ago, John mcCartney said:

 

Daniel is travelling tonight on a plane✈🎶🎵🎶🎵

[Bull's-eye]

1 hour ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said:

It will not be pleasant!

 

Pleasant for some. Like you.

[bawheed]

12 hours ago, Harry Potter said:

A bad season, understatement there, we are facing relegation in a very big way.

Very sad her legacy (AB) will be so, tainted. 

[bawheed]

I cannot see how she AB, can carry on after end of season, even if we stay up.

[Sid]

If the Season stops tomorrow. Who do you think will sort out the financial mess we will be in. 
 

crack on with the personal abuse and she might have second thoughts. 

[bawheed]

Personal abuse!!!! do you seriously think Hearts (the football team) have been well managed over the last 5 years.  

[Beast Boy]

12 hours ago, Leveins Battalion said:

The FOH are a waste of space and not the same Foundation we all signed up for.

Is exactly the sort of stupid thing a Hibs supporter would say. No idea why you would want to look like one.

[Beast Boy]

17 minutes ago, bawheed said:

Personal abuse!!!! do you seriously think Hearts (the football team) have been well managed over the last 5 years.  

She doesn’t manage the football team.

[East Lothian Jambo]

1 hour ago, bawheed said:

I cannot see how she AB, can carry on after end of season, even if we stay up.

It will be very difficult for her to carry on. Foundation of Hearts views on the current situation would be interesting 

[communist]

6 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

She doesn’t manage the football team.

 

Responsibility for continual failure of any football club, over a prolonged period, lies with those at the top. 

 

Ultimately she chose the people to lead us here, and her inactions at critical times have caused us to be in the position we are find ourselves. 

 

And I'm not in favour of hounding her out. I'm still hopeful of staying up and we can build for next season, only after a massive clear out of playing staff and the lingering ex coaches/sporting directors. 

[Beast Boy]

8 minutes ago, communist said:

 

Responsibility for continual failure of any football club, over a prolonged period, lies with those at the top. 

 

Ultimately she chose the people to lead us here, and her inactions at critical times have caused us to be in the position we are find ourselves. 

 

And I'm not in favour of hounding her out. I'm still hopeful of staying up and we can build for next season, only after a massive clear out of playing staff and the lingering ex coaches/sporting directors. 

Bawheed was denigrating her role in managing the increase in our financial position through business acumen, by claiming it didn’t matter, as football is our business.

 

I am pointing out that she doesn’t manage the football team.

[East Lothian Jambo]

21 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

Bawheed was denigrating her role in managing the increase in our financial position through business acumen, by claiming it didn’t matter, as football is our business.

 

I am pointing out that she doesn’t manage the football team.

She is ultimately in charge of third biggest club in Scotland that's about to get relegated whilst in the best financial condition in our history.  She deserves credit for many off field successes. Relegation for a club of our size with every conceivable advantage over most other clubs in the league is unbelievable 

 

Relegation may allow us the opportunity to make the necessary changes that might not have otherwise been made 

[OldGorgie]

Posters criticising AB with a limited number of posts are clearly Hobos. The other ones who are claiming she is not an efficient CEO are either pissed or as thick as two planks, or both. Yes she’s made mistakes, everyone does from time to time but she saved the club, brought a magnificent new main stand and is still prepared to pass the club into fan ownership. Unlike Ron the Con.

[Prof]

1 minute ago, OldGorgie said:

Posters criticising AB with a limited number of posts are clearly Hobos. The other ones who are claiming she is not an efficient CEO are either pissed or as thick as two planks, or both. Yes she’s made mistakes, everyone does from time to time but she saved the club, brought a magnificent new main stand and is still prepared to pass the club into fan ownership. Unlike Ron the Con.

Totally agree. 

[Jamstomorrow]

14 minutes ago, OldGorgie said:

Posters criticising AB with a limited number of posts are clearly Hobos. The other ones who are claiming she is not an efficient CEO are either pissed or as thick as two planks, or both. Yes she’s made mistakes, everyone does from time to time but she saved the club, brought a magnificent new main stand and is still prepared to pass the club into fan ownership. Unlike Ron the Con.

Correct.   Sadly today, when things go wrong, somebody MUST be blamed.  Never mind looking at the problem and trying to address it, just blame someone and sack them!   

 

[Leveins Battalion]

5 minutes ago, Jamstomorrow said:

Correct.   Sadly today, when things go wrong, somebody MUST be blamed.  Never mind looking at the problem and trying to address it, just blame someone and sack them!   

 

 

28 minutes ago, OldGorgie said:

Posters criticising AB with a limited number of posts are clearly Hobos. The other ones who are claiming she is not an efficient CEO are either pissed or as thick as two planks, or both. Yes she’s made mistakes, everyone does from time to time but she saved the club, brought a magnificent new main stand and is still prepared to pass the club into fan ownership. Unlike Ron the Con.

 

 

🤣🤣🤣🙈

 

 

FFS its folk like these guys👆 that explains why Hears are where we are.

 

It's not just gone wrong,we have been shafted big time on the stand,I'm led to believe all will become clear soon regarding our "signing policy" .....make of that what you want.

 

Of course there will be blame we have a £6 million wage bill and are going to be relegated.🤷‍♂️

 

 

[Jamstomorrow]

2 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

 

 

 

🤣🤣🤣🙈

 

 

FFS its folk like these guys👆 that explains why Hears are where we are.

 

It's not just gone wrong,we have been shafted big time on the stand,I'm led to believe all will become clear soon regarding our "signing policy" .....make of that what you want.

 

Of course there will be blame we have a £6 million wage bill and are going to be relegated.🤷‍♂️

 

 

You mean as I am shareholder, season ticket holder, FOH contributor, attend some away matches, buy a pie, I am to blame?

[sandylejambo]

She has been essential to the survival of the club and as such deserves all the respect she has had these last few years, However she has one major failing, she doesn't put football high enough on her list of things to do. Leaving Levein in post for as long as she did was negligent beyond belief, is that enough to make her leave? I'm not sure. My thought might be galvanised if relegation is confirmed, I'm very angry at her for the poorest decision she could have made at the end of last season, I.E. not emptying the manager.

[EH11]

13 hours ago, Randy Marsh said:

 

If we are relegated at Tynecastle then it might be idea for Budge to arrange a police escort out the stadium.  There will be many angry supporters baying for blood.😂

 

Is that prospect funny to you? Trying to understand the emoji. 

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

12 minutes ago, Jamstomorrow said:

You mean as I am shareholder, season ticket holder, FOH contributor, attend some away matches, buy a pie, I am to blame?

You're no better than thousands of others that do the same.

[Haken]

Irrespective of Mrs Budge's knowledge, or lack thereof, in footballing matters, she has made decisions and signed cheques that will see an expensive football team relegated.  I don't hold her directly responsible for the team on the park, but she is responsible for sanctioning the decisions that led us to where we are.

 

If you think that's success, crack on.

[hearts00]

It is not even a debate. No person in any leadership position in any walk of life or at any institution could survive this level of abject failure.  
 

She must go. The fact it’s a female is utterly irrelevant if people are letting that cloud their judgement. 

[Jamstomorrow]

3 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

You're no better than thousands of others that do the same.

I am not claiming to be.  I am a supporter.  I will support evermore . . .  unlike it would appear, some!

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

Just now, Jamstomorrow said:

I am not claiming to be.  I am a supporter.  I will support evermore . . .  unlike it would appear, some!

Many of those same supporters want Budge out, too.

[Jamstomorrow]

I refer you to OldGorgie's post.

[Paul Shark]

When does this " saved the club" pish officially end ? Romanov saved the club at one point !

[Leveins Battalion]

12 minutes ago, EH11 said:

 

Is that prospect funny to you? Trying to understand the emoji. 

 

I think most fans are past the anger stage,Budge has killed any relationship she had with Hearts fans,due to attacks via club statements and the disastrous performance of the football team.

 

We are so bad now maybe it is funny.Stop outselfs having a heart attack.

[leginten]

The moment she started referring to our raison d’être as the “football department”, we were in trouble. I couldn’t care less if it suited her to do so from a businesswoman’s perspective - it was misguided and appears to have suggested to a whole range of people that something else existed which could compensate, however temporarily, for abject failure on the pitch.

 

In this case, semantics do matter.

[Sid]

13 minutes ago, Haken said:

Irrespective of Mrs Budge's knowledge, or lack thereof, in footballing matters, she has made decisions and signed cheques that will see an expensive football team relegated.  I don't hold her directly responsible for the team on the park, but she is responsible for sanctioning the decisions that led us to where we are.

 

If you think that's success, crack on.

she has made decisions that made an expensive football club. 
 

whether or not we get relegated, she will leave a club which can prosper. There was no-one else prepared to make this financial commitment. Before we say FOH. Our commitment was to pay £50-£100 pm. Hers was considerably more. 
 

we should not forget this. 

[Randy Marsh]

12 minutes ago, EH11 said:

 

Is that prospect funny to you? Trying to understand the emoji. 

 

Its getting to the stage that you start to laugh at the gross mismanagement of the club.  Absolutely incredible that it has come to this.  Don't worry though because Budge will be getting off lightly here.   You only have to look at other countries where a top side has been relegated.  Like Grasshoppers Zurich last season or even what the Roda fans did to their owner this season.  

[Sid]

5 minutes ago, Paul Shark said:

When does this " saved the club" pish officially end ? Romanov saved the club at one point !

how is this pish?  Did you offer the £2.5m or so?  Did anyone else. 
the difference between Romanov and Budge is he saved the club but virtually killed it on his way out 
she saved the club and will leave it considerably better than when she picked it up. (Even if we get relegated) 

[Paul Shark]

3 minutes ago, Sid said:

how is this pish?  Did you offer the £2.5m or so?  Did anyone else. 
the difference between Romanov and Budge is he saved the club but virtually killed it on his way out 
she saved the club and will leave it considerably better than when she picked it up. (Even if we get relegated) 

How can you possibly know what state Ann Budge will leave the club in ? We may well get out of jail if the league is suspended and we don't get relegated, but how can you know the financial implications of one or more seasons in the championship ?

[Beast Boy]

12 minutes ago, Leveins Battalion said:

 

I think most fans are past the anger stage,Budge has killed any relationship she had with Hearts fans,due to attacks via club statements and the disastrous performance of the football team.

 

We are so bad now maybe it is funny.Stop outselfs having a heart attack.

Speak for yourself. None of that applies to me nor a good number of the fans I know. 

[XB52]

Where were all these Budge haters when we knocked the huns out the cup and humped the hibs?? FTH

[Vlad Magic]

Just now, XB52 said:

Where were all these Budge haters when we knocked the huns out the cup and humped the hibs?? FTH

Lurking waiting for an opportunity to pounce!!!!

[Sid]

13 minutes ago, Paul Shark said:

How can you possibly know what state Ann Budge will leave the club in ? We may well get out of jail if the league is suspended and we don't get relegated, but how can you know the financial implications of one or more seasons in the championship ?

So. It will be worse than relegated, No ground. No players (except youths). Run down Academy, virtually no income. Probably chucked out of the League?  
we will have an improved stadium. Our turnover will be massively up on playing at Saughton in a Sunday League. 
you are right. I can’t know the financial implications of being relegated and not coming straight back up. But I’ve a good idea it will be massively better than the alternative. 

[Paul Shark]

14 minutes ago, Sid said:

So. It will be worse than relegated, No ground. No players (except youths). Run down Academy, virtually no income. Probably chucked out of the League?  
we will have an improved stadium. Our turnover will be massively up on playing at Saughton in a Sunday League. 
you are right. I can’t know the financial implications of being relegated and not coming straight back up. But I’ve a good idea it will be massively better than the alternative. 

No, we the supporters through FoH have now paid Ann Budge back her initial £2.5 m outlay. We should all be forever grateful to her for putting up the cash in the first place, but how long does that, now that she has been paid back, allow her to mismanage the club ? What some people are failing to grasp is that you can not separate football and business at a football club for very long, results on the park affect turnover. How far do we go before we say thanks for your initial help but clearly your lack of (football) business knowledge is having a serious effect on our future development as a FOOTBALL CLUB ?

[MattyK82]

1 hour ago, Leveins Battalion said:

 

 

 

🤣🤣🤣🙈

 

 

FFS its folk like these guys👆 that explains why Hears are where we are.

 

It's not just gone wrong,we have been shafted big time on the stand,I'm led to believe all will become clear soon regarding our "signing policy" .....make of that what you want.

 

Of course there will be blame we have a £6 million wage bill and are going to be relegated.🤷‍♂️

 

 

Not to be pedantic but the wage bill has been reported as being a whopping £9M. Incredible we are where we are. 

[Boab]

Just now, Paul Shark said:

No, we the supporters through FoH have now paid Ann Budge back her initial £2.5 m outlay. We should all be forever grateful to her for putting up the cash in the first place, but how long does that, now that she has been paid back, allow her to mismanage the club ? What some people are failing to grasp is that you can not separate football and business at a football club for very long, results on the park affect turnover. How far do we go before we say thanks for your initial help but clearly your lack of (football) business knowledge is having a serious effect on our future development as a FOOTBALL CLUB ?

The end of this season, if the season gets to a conclusion.

We are in this mess because of inaction by management when every man and his dug could see that change was required.

Thanks, and I mean that, but here’s your cash. Bye !

[jambali]

16 hours ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

Without the football there is no business. It's the only reason I have a season ticket.

It's the most important part of the business, yes, but not the only part. The other parts support it.

[Haken]

1 hour ago, Sid said:

she has made decisions that made an expensive football club. 
 

whether or not we get relegated, she will leave a club which can prosper. There was no-one else prepared to make this financial commitment. Before we say FOH. Our commitment was to pay £50-£100 pm. Hers was considerably more. 
 

we should not forget this. 

If only she'd made decisions that led us to being a successful football club.

 

And let's not forget that while Mrs Budge was good enough to put the money up front, she did so on the basis that she would be repaid.  I fully appreciate that she has reportedly provided her services while taking no salary - if that is the case, then that is admirable and will have saved the club a substantial sum.  But you can't get away from the fact that a club with our resource should be nowhere near the situation it is in.  Hell, if we'd had a poor season and looked like finishing 6th again we'd be raging.  As it is, we are absolute favourites for relegation.

[Paul Shark]

25 minutes ago, Boab said:

The end of this season, if the season gets to a conclusion.

We are in this mess because of inaction by management when every man and his dug could see that change was required.

Thanks, and I mean that, but here’s your cash. Bye !

I have to agree with you. Even if we do manage to escape relegation, under our own endeavours, which seems highly unlikely, or by default, change in league set up. Changes have to be made. If Ann Budge doesn't go, radical board changes would have to take place and her influence would have to be significantly reduced.

[graygo]

1 hour ago, hearts00 said:

It is not even a debate. No person in any leadership position in any walk of life or at any institution could survive this level of abject failure.  
 

She must go. The fact it’s a female is utterly irrelevant if people are letting that cloud their judgement. 

It's not a debate?

 

I beg to differ and the fact that we have a split in our support kind of backs that up.

[The Fonz]

The amount of slack folk on here are willing to cut her is astounding. We are getting relegated with the fourth biggest budget in the league and one that is multiple x that of the likes of; Hamilton, St Mirren, Ross County, etc. all in the final year of the supposed "5 year plan".

It is a complete car crash situation bordering on the unthinkable and all could have been avoided if she wasn't so stubborn and ill informed. Folk on here having a go at Ron Gordon. Hibs aren't going down this season, we are.

 

Honestly how low do we need to go before people stop with this "Queen Ann" pish? She's been paid back in full with interest and pissed away a tonne of money and a great opportunity to build for no other reason than her being completely clueless.

 

[The Muffin Man]

2 minutes ago, The Fonz said:

The amount of slack folk on here are willing to cut her is astounding. We are getting relegated with the fourth biggest budget in the league and one that is multiple x that of the likes of; Hamilton, St Mirren, Ross County, etc. all in the final year of the supposed "5 year plan".

It is a complete car crash situation bordering on the unthinkable and all could have been avoided if she wasn't so stubborn and ill informed. Folk on here having a go at Ron Gordon. Hibs aren't going down this season, we are.

 

Honestly how low do we need to go before people stop with this "Queen Ann" pish? She's been paid back in full with interest and pissed away a tonne of money and a great opportunity to build for no other reason than her being completely clueless.

 

Not forgetting making her hibs supporting brother a millionaire in the process.

 

BUDGE OUT NOW.

[gowestjambo]

6 minutes ago, The Fonz said:

The amount of slack folk on here are willing to cut her is astounding. We are getting relegated with the fourth biggest budget in the league and one that is multiple x that of the likes of; Hamilton, St Mirren, Ross County, etc. all in the final year of the supposed "5 year plan".

It is a complete car crash situation bordering on the unthinkable and all could have been avoided if she wasn't so stubborn and ill informed. Folk on here having a go at Ron Gordon. Hibs aren't going down this season, we are.

 

Honestly how low do we need to go before people stop with this "Queen Ann" pish? She's been paid back in full with interest and pissed away a tonne of money and a great opportunity to build for no other reason than her being completely clueless.

 

 

Excellent post. Leadership comes from the top, the Chief Executive Officer. Has she provided Leadership as far as Heart of Midlothian are concerned? - One look at the League Table tells you the answer to that.

 

A Fish rots from the head down, The Rot set in many moths ago as far as Ann Budge is concerned...........

 

We need a complete clear out, and that starts with the Board.

[Des Lynam]

1 hour ago, Sid said:

how is this pish?  Did you offer the £2.5m or so?  Did anyone else. 
the difference between Romanov and Budge is he saved the club but virtually killed it on his way out 
she saved the club and will leave it considerably better than when she picked it up. (Even if we get relegated) 

She’s received a very good return interest wise on her £2.5m outlay. And will also walk away with a 15% stake in Hearts. 
 

It actually makes no odds if we want her to stay or go as she’ll need to stay on to guarantee the enormous panicked wage bill we’ve taken on. 

[Spellczech]

Levein does appear to have an almost Rasputin-esque hold over her. I thought she was sensible when she came in and admitted she knew nothing about the football side so had brought in Levein. Where it all seemed to go wrong was Robbie leaving, or perhaps even before that when Robbie decided that the SPL was so different from the Championship that he had to entirely change the team's style to be more solid...You do wonder if that was Levein's influence too.

 

Anyway from there it was just a disaster, Cathro was too poor a communicator to be a manager and worse he was given a free rein to change everything immediately. Then Levein took over all the responsibility to "fix things" and failed for 2 years. 

 

Now we are in the bizarre situation of Levein being sacked but not sacked, and Stendel has pretty much been hung out to dry by being told to change things but given limited resources to do it...

 

I have faith in Stendel, I think he can still get us out of this mess but the bloody players need to step up! I cannot imagine the previous coaching regime still ghosting around helps at all...

 

As for Budge herself, her over-reliance on Levein and failure to acquaint herself better with any other football people in the last 5 years, plus the tales of nepotism seem to indicate a character with trust issues. In my experience people with trust issues are not good business leaders, they are micro-managers, and cannot make decisions. I think she likes Levein for his stubbornness, as it suits her.

 

 

Edited March 13, 2020 by Spellczech

[Sid]

4 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Levein does appear to have an almost Rasputin-esque hold over her. I thought she was sensible when she came in and admitted she knew nothing about the football side so had brought in Levein. Where it all seemed to go wrong was Robbie leaving, or perhaps even before that when Robbie decided that the SPL was so different from the Championship that he had to entirely change the team's style to be more solid...You do wonder if that was Levein's influence too.

 

Anyway from there it was just a disaster, Cathro was too poor a communicator to be a manager and worse he was given a free rein to change everything immediately. Then Levein took over all the responsibility to "fix things" and failed for 2 years. 

 

Now we are in the bizarre situation of Levein being sacked but not sacked, and Stendel has pretty much been hung out to dry by being told to change things but given limited resources to do it...

 

I have faith in Stendel, I think he can still get us out of this mess but the bloody players need to step up! I cannot imagine the previous coaching regime still ghosting around helps at all...

 

 

I think the rasputin hold has now been severed. He’s not still here any any significant capacity 

you mention Stendel not getting funds. Paying Levein etc off would have made funds even tighter and he had no team with him so someone had to do the shitty jobs like get rid of deadwood. (Left to Levein). 
agree players need to step up. But if you have enough firepower to beat Rangers Hibs draw with Well, a manager should have enough to beat the dross at the bottom. Do jury is a bit out with me on Stendel.